• Re: What's wrong with novaBBS? --> is now at pugleaf.net

    From Billy G.@42-contact-42@pugleaf.net to rec.sport.soccer,rocksolid.nodes.help,news.software.nntp,news.software.readers on Mon Oct 13 21:06:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    On 10/8/25 16:41, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
    be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)

    The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working search
    function which was the best thing about the old NovaBBS (and
    Google Groups). But apparently they're working on it.

    https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/rec.sport.soccer/threads


    Not sure if search for content will ever be possible.

    NovaBBS kept the last 2 years on the web and only ~650 newsgroups.
    newsgroups were mostly limited to 10k articles max.
    The "spool" was less than 10 GB and bloated by full text search.


    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now).
    The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa

    Sending the same search request to every newsgroup does not scale well.
    You'd sit quite a while opening 100k newsgroups, crawling 8TB of data...
    and activating full text search bloats the DBs by an unknown factor.
    Did not even try yet :D
    Another problem: sql queries with %pattern% don't use indexes...

    On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:

    As for replacements for those that prefer to not use a
    newsreader, the great white hope was NovaBBS... but the guy
    running that (Retroguy) died. So whatever progress it was
    making have obviously been curtailed... for now.


    I've taken over the old rslight PHP code, tried to fix some things
    and finally decided to drop it... way 2 many bugs and insecure
    due to bad coding patterns littered throughout the codebase...
    I've extracted valuable data from the servers before they died too.
    Don't run the old php code online or your server will be hacked...

    Little more than 3 months ago I started working on go-pugleaf.
    A rewrite in Go, open source and available here: http://github.com/go-while/go-pugleaf

    As you see on the web: Some thing is running.
    Easy to host your own or use as local reader.

    What you need is the release binary or ./build_ALL.sh from source.
    run webserver first time with argument:
    1. ./webserver -nntphostname my.domain.com
    2. connect browser to http://localhost:11980
    3. register admin and you'll figure it out :D
    4. add newsgroups, enable a server and crons for pugleaf-fetcher**
    ** internal cron jobs are only available on testing-001 branch atm.
    5. Ask any question here.


    On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:

    I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
    of its Usenet archive.


    pugleaf.net and newsdeef.eu have articles starting somewhere early '80s.
    All them spam still included.

    https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/net.crypt

    Give it a try. No ads. Zero cookie trackers.
    Register freely with email @host.invalid and you can post.

    blueworldhosting.com will offer the same coverage via NNTP soon.
    We're in the process of transferring and merging archives.

    If anyone wants to setup a new server with INN/Diablo:
    We can fill it via nntp-transfer tool from go-pugleaf.
    All newsgroups and timeframes selectable from archives.

    The latest nntp-transfer code in testing-002 branch is much faster.
    Transfer and performance looks good but still dead locks, rarely :D


    + crossposted to:
    rocksolid.nodes.help
    news.software.nntp
    news.software.readers
    --
    .......
    Billy G. (go-while)
    https://pugleaf.net
    @Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help
    irc.pugleaf.net:6697 (SSL) #lounge
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer,news.software.nntp,news.software.readers on Tue Oct 14 20:12:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers



    Billy G. wrote:

    On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:

    I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
    of its Usenet archive.

    pugleaf.net and newsdeef.eu have articles starting somewhere
    early '80s. All them spam still included.

    The history of Usenet has to include the "Make Money Fast",
    "Buy Viagra Online" and "Win the Green Card Lottery" posts
    (etc.) ... A Usenet archive wouldn't be a proper archive
    without them! ;-)

    https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/net.crypt

    Give it a try. No ads. Zero cookie trackers.
    Register freely with email @host.invalid and you can post.

    blueworldhosting.com will offer the same coverage via NNTP
    soon. We're in the process of transferring and merging
    archives.

    If anyone wants to setup a new server with INN/Diablo:
    We can fill it via nntp-transfer tool from go-pugleaf.
    All newsgroups and timeframes selectable from archives.

    The latest nntp-transfer code in testing-002 branch is much
    faster. Transfer and performance looks good but still dead
    locks, rarely :D

    Good luck with the project. I will check Pugleaf out at some
    stage but I doubt I will ever leave my comfy blanket of a
    newsreader...

    For those that do like that sort of thing I hope they make use
    of it.

    I wish you well in your endeavours.
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  • From Werner Pichler@wpichler@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer,rocksolid.nodes.help,news.software.nntp,news.software.readers on Tue Oct 14 22:57:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    On 13/10/2025 23:06, Billy G. wrote:
    On 10/8/25 16:41, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
    be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)

    The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working search
    function which was the best thing about the old NovaBBS (and
    Google Groups). But apparently they're working on it.

    https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/rec.sport.soccer/threads


    Not sure if search for content will ever be possible.

    NovaBBS kept the last 2 years on the web and only ~650 newsgroups.
    newsgroups were mostly limited to 10k articles max.
    The "spool" was less than 10 GB and bloated by full text search.


    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now).
    The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa

    Sending the same search request to every newsgroup does not scale well.
    You'd sit quite a while opening 100k newsgroups, crawling 8TB of data...
    and activating full text search bloats the DBs by an unknown factor.
    Did not even try yet :D
    Another problem: sql queries with %pattern% don't use indexes...

    That's pretty cool that you took the time to answer here.
    So I'd like to rephrase my above statement - I'm not really 'annoyed'
    to no longer have a search function, I just really liked how well the
    one worked that NovaBBS had.

    But your explanation makes a lot of sense why that's no longer
    practicable. I guess a regular old google search on narkive will get me
    decent enough results anyway.


    On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:

    As for replacements for those that prefer to not use a
    newsreader, the great white hope was NovaBBS... but the guy
    running that (Retroguy) died. So whatever progress it was
    making have obviously been curtailed... for now.


    I've taken over the old rslight PHP code, tried to fix some things
    and finally decided to drop it... way 2 many bugs and insecure
    due to bad coding patterns littered throughout the codebase...
    I've extracted valuable data from the servers before they died too.
    Don't run the old php code online or your server will be hacked...

    Little more than 3 months ago I started working on go-pugleaf.
    A rewrite in Go, open source and available here: http://github.com/go-while/go-pugleaf

    As you see on the web: Some thing is running.
    Easy to host your own or use as local reader.

    What you need is the release binary or ./build_ALL.sh from source.
    run webserver first time with argument:
    1. ./webserver -nntphostname my.domain.com
    2. connect browser to http://localhost:11980
    3. register admin and you'll figure it out :D
    4. add newsgroups, enable a server and crons for pugleaf-fetcher**
    ** internal cron jobs are only available on testing-001 branch atm.
    5. Ask any question here.


    On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:

    I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
    of its Usenet archive.


    pugleaf.net and newsdeef.eu have articles starting somewhere early '80s.
    All them spam still included.

    https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/net.crypt

    Give it a try. No ads. Zero cookie trackers.
    Register freely with email @host.invalid and you can post.

    blueworldhosting.com will offer the same coverage via NNTP soon.
    We're in the process of transferring and merging archives.

    If anyone wants to setup a new server with INN/Diablo:
    We can fill it via nntp-transfer tool from go-pugleaf.
    All newsgroups and timeframes selectable from archives.

    The latest nntp-transfer code in testing-002 branch is much faster.
    Transfer and performance looks good but still dead locks, rarely :D


    + crossposted to:
    rocksolid.nodes.help
    news.software.nntp
    news.software.readers


    Thanks a lot for your efforts!


    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to news.software.readers on Wed Oct 15 20:43:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:06:00 +0000
    "Billy G." <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    []

    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now).
    The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa


    I get 403 "forbidden" just trying to look. Does one need an account just to read?

    [xposts dropped, just nsr retained]
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Billy G.@42-contact-42@pugleaf.net to news.software.readers on Thu Oct 16 01:33:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    On 10/15/25 19:43, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:06:00 +0000
    "Billy G." <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    []

    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now).
    The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa


    I get 403 "forbidden" just trying to look. Does one need an account just to read?

    [xposts dropped, just nsr retained]


    403 where? everywhere? try another browser / user-agent.
    --
    .......
    Billy G. (go-while)
    https://pugleaf.net
    @Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help
    irc.pugleaf.net:6697 (SSL) #lounge
    TOR-IRC: ij7fmstcudrwyty5p6iloodeenur4wksovlhbyrfubat7eixplmrxvqd.onion:6667 --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From snipeco.2@snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) to news.software.readers on Thu Oct 16 02:52:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    Billy G. <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    On 10/15/25 19:43, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:06:00 +0000
    "Billy G." <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    []

    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now). >> The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa


    I get 403 "forbidden" just trying to look. Does one need an account just to read?

    [xposts dropped, just nsr retained]


    403 where? everywhere? try another browser / user-agent.


    It works for me without an account.

    Safari 26.0.1 on macOS 26.0.1 (Tahoe) via PIA 3.7 VPN and
    Safari 14.1.2 on macOS 10.14.6 (Mojave) via PIA 3.5.7.
    --
    ^|A^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.

    My summer holiday pics: <https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to news.software.readers on Thu Oct 16 16:46:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: news.software.readers

    On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 01:33:17 +0000
    "Billy G." <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    On 10/15/25 19:43, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:06:00 +0000
    "Billy G." <42-contact-42@pugleaf.net> wrote:

    []

    The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
    100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now). >> The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
    A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa


    I get 403 "forbidden" just trying to look. Does one need an account just to read?

    [xposts dropped, just nsr retained]


    403 where? everywhere? try another browser / user-agent.

    Thanks for replying; I use MyPal (all 403s) and Supermium (the only recent browsers for XP, AFAICT)

    Supermium is getting in now, cheers.


    Yeay ye olde shedde:


    Beer does NOT make you fat
    #222
    Author: Dave Budd
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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