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(Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really? (my TB lets me Xpost alot.)


TB recently had a problem of dropped posts (from earlier this year)


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On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)

TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn

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On 04/09/2024 01:52, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)

TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

Good. Your posts should not be allowed on a single NG, let alone
cross-posted across several. </cluck>
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 16:53:59 -0500, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote: >On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
Lynn

+1

cross-posting should never have been enabled in the first place,
most especially since the c. 1993 "eternal september" holocaust

[*]
#...
# for scoring overview headers
# cross-posting is a darn nuisance
# demote cross-posts, darken color
-1111 Xpost %>1
!setcolor(silver;maroon) Xpost %>1
-1111 Xpost %>2
!setcolor(maroon;gray) Xpost %>2
-1111 Xpost %>3
!setcolor(gray;olive) Xpost %>3
-1111 Xpost %>4
!setcolor(olive;gray) Xpost %>4
-1111 Xpost %>5
!setcolor(navy;black) Xpost %>5
#...

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D <noreply@mixmin.net> writes:

cross-posting should never have been enabled in the first place,
most especially since the c. 1993 "eternal september" holocaust

Xposts can be annoying, but copies (reposts?) spread over many groups
are even worse.

Marking Xposts as read in all groups is easier ("cheaper") than doing
this based on MessageIDs. I really hate to see stuff I already threw
away in one group on other groups again and again as unread.
--
3. Hitchhiker 1: (25) "The point is, you see," said Ford, "that there
is no point in driving yourself mad trying to stop yourself going mad.
You might just as well give in and save your sanity for later."
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On 9/4/2024 2:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)


TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn

but this Thread is unaffected, apparently.

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On Wed, 9/4/2024 8:29 PM, HenHanna wrote:

On 9/4/2024 2:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)


TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn

but this Thread-a is-a unaffected,-a apparently.

Servers usually have a global limit, as to how many
newsgroups maximum can be in the Newsgroup list.

But there are also crosspost rules, designed for
certain "abuse patterns".

Let's make an example:

alt.cowboys
alt.indians

Subject: Cowboys suck
Newsgroups: alt.cowboys, alt.indians

The purpose of trolling messages, is to make 500 message threads,
where the cowboys say naughty things about the indians, and
the indians respond in fashion. This technique is used in soc.* for example. Find two groups that have been fighting with one another
since the year 1066, say something incendiary, walk away.

Crosspost rules then, are crafted to stop that. "No crosspost in soc.* ".
This reduces off-topic trolling. "No crosspost in comp.os.linux.advocacy " (COLA trolling).

If messages are being discarded, and they have not exceeded the
global crosspost limit, chances are one of the groups in the list has
a "reputation as troll fodder", and crossposting is not allowed.

USENET administrators do not micromanage the server. But if, say,
20% of the server bandwidth was being used for a fixed troll pattern,
an administrator may choose to "fix" the issue.

And not all server rules need be published. Neither does the
status of the rules need to be updated on a minute-by-minute basis.
Say for example, the administrator removes the soc.* trolling rule.
Would you tell the soc.* trolls that ? No :-) Don't expect the
server status page, to make the life of the trolls easier, by
explaining everything to them.

When AIOE was still running, some of the status messages were
a bit terse. For example, people receiving "Banlist" used to freak
out when that word appeared after an attempt to post. They would
write into the support page and ask "Am I blocked?" as if the
administrator goes around individually slapping fingers. well,
that wasn't what the message meant. The banlist may have been
certain keywords. Sometimes the custom status messages, leave
something to be desired, because the poster takes the status
"personally" as an affront. when that's not what the rule is
doing. If someone doesn't want you on their server, they can
just disable your account, and that has a different set of symptoms
than the Post rules do.

Paul


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On Thu, 5 Sep 2024 0:29:14 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On 9/4/2024 2:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)


TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn

but this Thread is unaffected, apparently.

testing xPosting (limit) (from NovaBBS)
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2024 14:57:39 +0000
HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

On Thu, 5 Sep 2024 0:29:14 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

On 9/4/2024 2:53 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?aaaaa (my TBa lets me Xposta alot.)


TB recently had aa problem of droppeda posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn

but this Thread is unaffected, apparently.

testing xPosting (limit) (from NovaBBS)

Please realise your efforts are not appreciated, aka 'fuck off.'
TIA.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

testing xPosting (limit) (from NovaBBS)

Whoever you are, you *really* need to learn to use test
newsgroups. Not to mention this is a newsgroup for actual news reader software, not some support group for a web page you happen to be
using.


Phil
--
AH#61 Wolf#14 BS#89 bus#1 CCB#1 SENS KOTC#4
philb@philb.ca http://philb.ca
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 22:08:55 -0000 (UTC), Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote: >HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

testing xPosting (limit) (from NovaBBS)

Whoever you are, you *really* need to learn to use test
newsgroups. Not to mention this is a newsgroup for actual news reader >software, not some support group for a web page you happen to be
using.
Phil

the usenet troll farm's prime directive has always been to infiltrate
and occupy, obfuscate and disrupt, every active unmoderated newsgroup
with the express purpose of discouraging usenet newsgroup subscribers
from participating in open public discussions outside of the scripted
echo chamber of "mainstream" party-line propaganda; money is superior
to everyone else, holy men on a mission from god to save their empire
from universal ruin that comes as a flood, depopulating their soylent
centers of activity; until then, it's their world; best to avoid them
and continue posting freely to these newsgroup forums while they last
and always stay on-topic whenever convenient e.g. 40tude dialog works
great in every popular version of windows from xp to 11, try it today
and visit the popular user-friendly novabbs "rocksolid-light" website https://news.novabbs.org/computers/thread.php?group=news.software.readers

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

-a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?-a-a-a-a-a (my TB-a lets me Xpost-a alot.)


TB recently had a-a problem of dropped-a posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

If they're killing HenHanna's posts, then they're on the right lines.
S/h/it (unsure of gender or if bot) is a rampant irrelevant crossposter.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:30:32 +0300, Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote: >Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

On 9/3/2024 6:52 PM, HenHanna wrote:

a (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)

really?aaaaa (my TBa lets me Xposta alot.)
TB recently had aa problem of droppeda posts (from earlier this year)

E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

If they're killing HenHanna's posts, then they're on the right lines.
S/h/it (unsure of gender or if bot) is a rampant irrelevant crossposter.

server administrators probably benefit by discussing possible flaws
and potential improvements to their servers, so it makes sense that
they would be more amenable to what could be productive discussions
with any newsgroup participant, if the result means a better server
than before; this "big tent" pattern of sysadmins engaging everyone,
including obvious troll farm "regulars", is evident across hundreds
of newsgroups, a rather stoic and objective approach to interacting
with the public; "rfc" (e.g. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5537)
seems like a bible where encouraging cross-posting and discouraging
what they call "multi-posting" in their collective view approaching
religious doctrine, papal bull (and yes, maybe some of these people
are actually religious, the holy roman empire is cosmopolitan after
all), is inviolable creed; as such, cross-posting must be protected
in spite of its massive abuse by troll farm operatives and geniuses

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have >gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast >aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

(nice sig . . . even though i don't agree with it)

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:23:44 +0100
D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:

[]

server administrators probably benefit by discussing possible flaws

[]

seems like a bible where encouraging cross-posting and discouraging
what they call "multi-posting" in their collective view approaching
religious doctrine, papal bull (and yes, maybe some of these people
are actually religious, the holy roman empire is cosmopolitan after
all), is inviolable creed; as such, cross-posting must be protected
in spite of its massive abuse by troll farm operatives and geniuses

I see what you did there, multiposter.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:23:44 +0100
D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:

[]

server administrators probably benefit by discussing possible flaws

[]

seems like a bible where encouraging cross-posting and discouraging
what they call "multi-posting" in their collective view approaching religious doctrine, papal bull (and yes, maybe some of these people
are actually religious, the holy roman empire is cosmopolitan after
all), is inviolable creed; as such, cross-posting must be protected
in spite of its massive abuse by troll farm operatives and geniuses

I see what you did there, multiposter.

Persistent deliberate multiposting is quite a novel troll.
It no longer bothers me; the cure is trivial.
--
^-^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS, Pro Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.
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