Hi badgolferman,
You, yourself, opined that it's possible for Chris to act like an adult on this newsgroup, and I agreed with you, and I started action on that task.
In addition, you, yourself, opined that some people can't be reasoned with. Such that no adult dialogue is possible with some Apple posters here.
Given we've both assessed that Chris possibly "can" be reasoned with... would you kindly LOOK at the conversations below and let me know how I'm doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?
Just as Tyrone simply called all facts wrong, Chris is pulling the same
trick so, rather than play their game in a childish response, I brought up each and every one of Chris' outright denials as their own adult thread.
From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does it really mean when an entity chooses iOS or Android as their main platform?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:10:02 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What does the CISA KEV database say about Android/iOS known
critical exploits?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:20:58 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What did Google's project zero really say about Apple never
testing much of their iOS code?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 11:34:16 -0700
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From: Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more secure"? Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
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Chris responded by calling me a Trump supporter, but I ignored that completely and Chris responded by claiming he never read any of the cites before outright denying them, and he used a few of the other classic
tactics to protect Apple's honor ot the detah, no matter what.
But I'm holding both Chris and Tyrone to an adult conversation standard.
How am I doing?
I ask that question sincerely since it's not easy to respond to their
taunts by sticking to the technical topic that they flatly deny having any knowledge of and then in the very next sentence, they deny the truth of it.
Would you kindly LOOK at the conversations above and let me know how I'm doing trying to get both Tyrone & Chris to discuss their POV like an adult?
Likewise, I took the recent claims by Tyrone denying all facts that he, himself hasn't bothered to click the links backing them up, and put each of those defenses of Apple's behavior by Tyrone in their own separate threads.
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In each and every case, I took a claim by Chris/Tyrone that they themselves made, and I discussed THEIR CLAIM just as any adult would try to discuss.
What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng?
A: ?
What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng?
A: ?
When oneos singular focus becomes being right and winning an argument, it
is impossible to see the bigger picture of contributing to society. Itos a very self-centered mentality that erodes common human decency.
badgolferman wrote:
What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng?
A: ?
When onea+es singular focus becomes being right and winning an argument, it >> is impossible to see the bigger picture of contributing to society. Ita+es a >> very self-centered mentality that erodes common human decency.
I can't tell for sure, but if you're talking about me, then I appreciate
that you're trying to say that it looks to you like I'm trying to be right.
Rest assured, I feel "just wanting to be right" is an utterly absurd goal.
More often than not, people often accuse others of 'just wanting to be
right' when they themselves don't want to engage with the actual content.
That's fine, actually, as I put you on the spot.
I apologize for doing that. I'll back off.
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making proven defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of
accuracy & level of detail.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting facts.
If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing claims).
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making proven defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of
accuracy & level of detail.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting facts.
If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing claims).
Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
badgolferman wrote:
What do you think of the results so far?
Q: What can we do more to help Chris/Tyrone act like adults on this ng? >>>> A: ?
When onea+es singular focus becomes being right and winning an argument, it >>> is impossible to see the bigger picture of contributing to society. Ita+es a
very self-centered mentality that erodes common human decency.
I can't tell for sure, but if you're talking about me, then I appreciate
that you're trying to say that it looks to you like I'm trying to be right. >>
Rest assured, I feel "just wanting to be right" is an utterly absurd goal. >>
More often than not, people often accuse others of 'just wanting to be
right' when they themselves don't want to engage with the actual content.
That's fine, actually, as I put you on the spot.
I apologize for doing that. I'll back off.
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the
sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making proven >> defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of
accuracy & level of detail.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting facts.
If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just
trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how
Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing >> claims).
Remember the rCLwrongrCY thread? What I said above applies to most everyone in
this group. YourCOve actually admitted to being wrong in the past, itrCOs everyone elserCOs ego which canrCOt handle it. What they really want is for someone to validate them so they can _win_ their argument.
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just
trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how
Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing >> claims).
Remember the "wrong" thread? What I said above applies to most everyone in this group. You've actually admitted to being wrong in the past, it's everyone else's ego which can't handle it. What they really want is for someone to validate them so they can _win_ their argument.
On Dec 22, 2025 at 11:05:50rC>PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the
sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making proven >> defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of
accuracy & level of detail.
LOL. Priceless.
Seriously. This goes into the Bullshit Claim Hall Of Fame. So your claim that
it was impossible to run SMB Servers on iOS because Android can't was "scientific"?????
Your "scientific proof" was a screenshot of your web server (or whatever) running on an Android phone? That was beyond pathetic as "proof" of what iOS can/can't do.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting facts.
If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.
No, you are not happy to discuss. You just call people stupid when they prove you are wrong. That is the very definition of "needing to win".
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just
trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how
Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing >> claims).
One can't "educate" people on a topic when one does not know anything about the topic. Tossing out your opinions is not "educating". You know nothing about iOS, security or batteries. Yet you endlessly pontificate about these and many other topics.
BTW, you asking Badgolferman about "adult conversations" is about as authoritative as 2 virgins talking about sex.
Tyrone wrote:
On Dec 22, 2025 at 11:05:50rC>PM EST, "Marian"
<marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the
sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making
proven
defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of
accuracy & level of detail.
LOL.-a-a Priceless.
Seriously.-a This goes into the Bullshit Claim Hall Of Fame. So your
claim that
it was impossible to run SMB Servers on iOS because Android can't was
"scientific"?????
Tyrone, I'm going to stay focused on the technical points rather than the personal commentary.
When Alan Baker or Snit makes a claim, it's not believable, simply because they have a long sordid history of making claims that turn out to be false.
An example is this from Snit who repeatedly claimed a decibel is a Mbps: <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo>
Jolly Roger & nospam and others made the exact same claim in these threads: <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ PZuec56EWB0>
Alan Baker still insists that it's impossible to change Usenet headers. <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/EiNl6hyMBDo/>
It's clear that no adult conversation is possible with such people.
Of those, the only one I don't plonk is JR, and the reason is only because
I learn a lot from him as he's the quintessential Apple owner mentality.
The rest I don't respond to, and you should THANK me for not responding to them, just as I don't respond to Joerg Lorenz as he can never add value.
I do respond to YOU though, Tyrone.
Expressly because you CAN add value.
Likewise with Alan Browne and Chris, Tyrone.
Again, only because they CAN add value.
Your "scientific proof" was a screenshot of your web server (or whatever)
running on an Android phone?-a That was beyond pathetic as "proof" of
what iOS
can/can't do.
The screenshots were simply the record of the tests I ran. They weren't the argument by themselves. I very often post screenshots in fact.
I test almost every claim made on this Apple newsgroup, in fact.
And I've posted, oh, I don't know, THOUSANDS of screenshots of those tests.
For you to lambaste me for simply proving I ran the tests is revealing.
The fact is, on Windows 10, I tested iOS privileged port access
extensively, including checking for port mapping, and the results were consistent. I likely know what was happening better than all but you at
this point, because I made sure which port it was using. They just assumed.
However, I'm trained in sciences and engineering, so if you think a
specific part of the testing was incorrect, I'm open to discussing that.
But I'm not going to respond to personal attacks. I'm sticking to
evidence and repeatable testing.
And yes, I post screenshots proving that I ran those tests, Tyrone.
It's not a crime. It's a virtue that I back up every single claim I make.
To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting
facts.
If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.
No, you are not happy to discuss. You just call people stupid when
they prove
you are wrong.-a That is the very definition of "needing to win".
I'm not interested in trading insults, so I'll keep this to the facts.
When an argument is not evidence based, and yet it's strongly held (e.g., Snit's argument that a Mbps is the same as a Decibel), I have to make an assessment of the knowledge level of the person making that strong claim.
When it's not enough to explain to Snit (and to Jolly Roger) that just
seeing a moving graph doesn't mean that a Decibel is the same as a Mbps,
then I have to assess the intelligence level of the person I'm trying to teach.
Specifically, when Alan Baker makes the outright claim over and over again that it's impossible to change Usenet headers, I have to, at some point,
give up trying to teach him (which is why I plonk him), as I assess his intelligence level at the point that he can't learn even if I changed the headers to his name (which I did and he STILL didn't believe it).
Likewise, when Snit (aka Brock McNuggets) repeatedly claims the only metric that matters for security is malware statistics, you have to assess whether they own the basic intelligence to understand something as complex as security.
Since I assess that Joerg Lorenz, for example, can't comprehend basically anything complex, I assess him as too stupid for me to bother to converse with.
You should THANK me for refusing to try to teach these people whom I've killfiled, Tyrone, instead of attacking me for ignoring people who can't comprehend the complexities of iOS (or for that matter, anything).
But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just
trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how >>> Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd
marketing
claims).
One can't "educate" people on a topic when one does not know anything
about
the topic. Tossing out your opinions is not "educating". You know nothing
about iOS, security or batteries. Yet you endlessly pontificate about
these
and many other topics.
I'll continue to stay civil and evidence-based, even though the tone from
you seems to be attacking me viciously simply for thanking you for your efforts in helping me test exactly which port iOS used for its SMB access.
However, when Alan Baker screams out repeatedly that it's impossible to change Usenet headers, at some point, I simply must plonk people like that.
Hence, at this point, I "toss out" all the opinions from Alan Baker.
And from Snit (aka Brock McNuggets). And from Joerg Lorenz.
But people like you, and Chris, and possibly Alan Browne can add value.
If you want to.
You will be treated with more respect if you just give up on the goal of defending Apple to the death no matter what, using the first inane excuse that comes to your mind to defend Apple's behavior & marketing claims.
BTW, you asking Badgolferman about "adult conversations" is about as
authoritative as 2 virgins talking about sex.
I could also ask Ant, who, in addition to badgolferman, manages to discuss technical topics without resorting to personal insults & endless inane excuses to defend Apple's marketing & behavior to the death, no matter
what.
Since you, Chris, and Alan Browne "can" rise to the level of Ant and badgolferman, I'm simply asking you, and Chris, and Alan Browne whether we can turn over a new era in the Apple Usenet newsgroups.
The three of you have the experience and the knowledge to raise the level
of discussions on this group. Whether that happens is entirely your call.
On Dec 22, 2025 at 11:05:50rC>PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:
You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the
sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making
proven defensible statements which stand up to the most intense
scrutiny of accuracy & level of detail.
LOL. Priceless.
Seriously. This goes into the Bullshit Claim Hall Of Fame. So your
claim that it was impossible to run SMB Servers on iOS because Android
can't was "scientific"?????
Your "scientific proof" was a screenshot of your web server (or
whatever) running on an Android phone? That was beyond pathetic as
"proof" of what iOS can/can't do.
On 2025-12-23 11:29, Marian wrote:
The fact is, on Windows 10, I tested iOS privileged port access
extensively, including checking for port mapping, and the results
were consistent. I likely know what was happening better than all but
you at this point, because I made sure which port it was using. They
just assumed.
But insisted even after being show screenshots and even videos that it couldn't be possible...
But insisted even after being show screenshots and even videos that it
couldn't be possible...
Yup. Someone told him that you can run an SMB service on an iOS device
using the default port and connect to it from a computer, and he
immediately claimed that was not possible because it doesn't work that
way on Android. He then argued with and insulted anyone who told him he
was wrong. He petty bickering went on for over a week IIRC and included several of us posting screenshots showing that it does indeed work on
iOS, while he continued to argue. Like most interactions with Arlen, it
was a ridiculous waste of time filled with schoolyard insults and
pathetic lies.
We're all supposed to ignore that. We're also supposed to forget that he
said it wasn't possible and then argued with and insulted every single
person that told him he was wrong. This went on for over a week, and
then when several of us posted screenshots proving we were right, he
created new goal posts and started building his little narrative that he actually figured it out himself. He couldn't be more full of shit.
I've failed at educating people on this ng how
Apple products actually work in the real world
Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
I've failed at educating people on this ng how
Apple products actually work in the real world
This is the problem right here. No-one wants a self-appointed know-it-all
to "educate" them on this ng nor any other one you contribute to.
Your arrogant (yet fragile) attitude is not welcome which why you get so
much negativity across the board.
I'm done with you for 2025. I'm not going to respond anymore to you this
year as it's Christmas.
Hope everyone has an enjoyable holiday and gets a new iphone from Santa :)
Jolly Roger wrote:
We're all supposed to ignore that. We're also supposed to forget that
he said it wasn't possible and then argued with and insulted every
single person that told him he was wrong. This went on for over a
week, and then when several of us posted screenshots proving we were
right, he created new goal posts and started building his little
narrative that he actually figured it out himself. He couldn't be
more full of shit.
I did not reject the SMB claim because of Android.
you have a long history of making technical claims about iOS that cannot be verified
The only reason I took the SMB claim seriously was because Tyrone demonstrated actual knowledge of Windows 11 networking.
That is not weakness.
On 2025-12-24, Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote:
We're all supposed to ignore that. We're also supposed to forget that
he said it wasn't possible and then argued with and insulted every
single person that told him he was wrong. This went on for over a
week, and then when several of us posted screenshots proving we were
right, he created new goal posts and started building his little
narrative that he actually figured it out himself. He couldn't be
more full of shit.
I did not reject the SMB claim because of Android.
You did. You claimed because Android cannot do it, that iOS also cannot
do it. We all read your words. It's on record, liar.
you have a long history of making technical claims about iOS that cannot be >> verified
Then it should be very easy for you to point to one. #JustOne
You won't because you can't because you are a liar.
The only reason I took the SMB claim seriously was because Tyrone
demonstrated actual knowledge of Windows 11 networking.
I did too. You argued with each and every person who did so. You spent
over a week bickering about this, long after several people showed you
proof that it works fine on iOS.
That is not weakness.
Keep repeating that if it helps you feel better. It doesn't change
anything back here in reality, Pumpkin.
Jolly Roger wrote:
But insisted even after being show screenshots and even videos that it
couldn't be possible...
Yup. Someone told him that you can run an SMB service on an iOS device
using the default port and connect to it from a computer, and he
immediately claimed that was not possible because it doesn't work that
way on Android. He then argued with and insulted anyone who told him he
was wrong. He petty bickering went on for over a week IIRC and included
several of us posting screenshots showing that it does indeed work on
iOS, while he continued to argue. Like most interactions with Arlen, it
was a ridiculous waste of time filled with schoolyard insults and
pathetic lies.
Hi Jolly Roger,
I'm not interested in trading insults,
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