c. You and I use different sources for tests of iPhone "efficiency"
Yes, because I use multiple sources that prove the point. You ignore those. iPhones run longer (or the same) than Android phones that have larger batteries. Which is more efficient?
Tyrone wrote:
c. You and I use different sources for tests of iPhone "efficiency"
Yes, because I use multiple sources that prove the point. You ignore those. >> iPhones run longer (or the same) than Android phones that have larger
batteries. Which is more efficient?
For years, people like Chris have been so confused by "efficiency" claims that they end up mixing up battery life with efficiency.
Still, Apple's excuses being what Apple does, the fact is that the only regulated, independent efficiency metric we have is the EU label, and that rating was B for all prior iPhones at launch. That is the factual
definition of efficiency in this context. <https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-apple-iphone-ipad-eu-energy-labels/>
Battery life is not efficiency.
And, Apple has improved their efficiency rating since then, so you're
trying to argue that Apple realized how bad their efficiency was, so they took steps only later in this year to rectify that specific deficiency.
Which I knew was going to happen since I've known it for years.
Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
Tyrone wrote:
c. You and I use different sources for tests of iPhone "efficiency"
Yes, because I use multiple sources that prove the point. You ignore those.
iPhones run longer (or the same) than Android phones that have larger
batteries. Which is more efficient?
For years, people like Chris have been so confused by "efficiency" claims
that they end up mixing up battery life with efficiency.
Utter rubbish. The only confusion here is with you and your (lack of)
memory.
I explained to you very clearly the maths behind the EU battery measures
via my access to the EU API. You and I identified in the equation begins their ratings was that the *power* draw by iphones was much *lower* than other phones. For that reason, iphone batteries last much longer then their raw capacities would suggest in comparison to flagship androids.
You yourself exclaimed surprise at this finding.
Of course, your dogma wouldn't let you accept it. So here we are back again "discussing" topics that have already been put to bed.
Still, Apple's excuses being what Apple does, the fact is that the only
regulated, independent efficiency metric we have is the EU label, and that >> rating was B for all prior iPhones at launch. That is the factual
definition of efficiency in this context.
<https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-apple-iphone-ipad-eu-energy-labels/>
Battery life is not efficiency.
And, Apple has improved their efficiency rating since then, so you're
trying to argue that Apple realized how bad their efficiency was, so they
took steps only later in this year to rectify that specific deficiency.
You'll note that iphones still have smaller batteries than comparable androids, right? Apple released their first phone with >5000 mAh capacity
in September with the Pro Max (5,088 mAh).
Which I knew was going to happen since I've known it for years.
You've not been able to evidence any of your so called "knowledge" for
years. Your don't support your exaggerations and extrapolations.
All the benchmarks and various real-world tests provided to you
demonstrated that in spades. You ignored it, of course.
Chris wrote:
Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
Tyrone wrote:
c. You and I use different sources for tests of iPhone "efficiency"
Yes, because I use multiple sources that prove the point. You ignore those.
iPhones run longer (or the same) than Android phones that have larger
batteries. Which is more efficient?
For years, people like Chris have been so confused by "efficiency" claims >>> that they end up mixing up battery life with efficiency.
Utter rubbish. The only confusion here is with you and your (lack of)
memory.
I explained to you very clearly the maths behind the EU battery measures
via my access to the EU API. You and I identified in the equation begins
their ratings was that the *power* draw by iphones was much *lower* than
other phones. For that reason, iphone batteries last much longer then their >> raw capacities would suggest in comparison to flagship androids.
You yourself exclaimed surprise at this finding.
Of course, your dogma wouldn't let you accept it. So here we are back again >> "discussing" topics that have already been put to bed.
Still, Apple's excuses being what Apple does, the fact is that the only
regulated, independent efficiency metric we have is the EU label, and that >>> rating was B for all prior iPhones at launch. That is the factual
definition of efficiency in this context.
<https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-apple-iphone-ipad-eu-energy-labels/>
Battery life is not efficiency.
And, Apple has improved their efficiency rating since then, so you're
trying to argue that Apple realized how bad their efficiency was, so they >>> took steps only later in this year to rectify that specific deficiency.
You'll note that iphones still have smaller batteries than comparable
androids, right? Apple released their first phone with >5000 mAh capacity
in September with the Pro Max (5,088 mAh).
Which I knew was going to happen since I've known it for years.
You've not been able to evidence any of your so called "knowledge" for
years. Your don't support your exaggerations and extrapolations.
All the benchmarks and various real-world tests provided to you
demonstrated that in spades. You ignored it, of course.
Chris, you are shifting the discussion away from the actual point.
Which is fine, if the topic were "battery life" and not "efficiency".
But the topic is efficiency.
The question here is not whether iPhones have good battery life.
a. The question is how "efficiency" is defined and measured.
b. And, when defined & measured, how Apple's iPhones fared.
This is not a discussion of the wondrously creative ways Apple manages to throw the word "efficient" 12 times in the 9-page iPhone data pages.
Using that word 12 times in a 9-page document is no accident, right?
For years, Apple was claiming their iPhones are efficient.
And yet, when they reported the efficiency for iPhones earlier this year, only Apple was unable to certify even a single model as an A in efficiency.
That's telling.
a. It's not about the battery size, voltage, or capacity.
b. It's about how that iPhone fares in an efficiency benchmark.
There is only one regulated, independent efficiency metric for smartphones: the EU energy label.
A. That metric does not measure battery size or battery life.
B. It measures energy efficiency under standardized test conditions.
When the EU labels were first published earlier this year, every iPhone
model at launch received a B in efficiency. Meanwhile, every major Android manufacturer had at least one model that earned an A. That is simply what
the EU data shows. It is not an opinion, and it is not "dogma."
It is the only standardized efficiency benchmark we have.
Battery life is not efficiency.
A device can have excellent battery life because of usage patterns, display choices, or thermal limits, while still scoring lower on a regulated efficiency test.
You are free to argue that the EU metric is flawed or incomplete,
but you cannot replace a regulated efficiency standard with your own definition and then claim that others are confused.
Chris, you are shifting the discussion away from the actual point.
I am not. Prior to the EU regulation, some simple maths on existing data showed efficiency differences between Apple and other phones very effectively.
Which is fine, if the topic were "battery life" and not "efficiency".
But the topic is efficiency.
Remember how you used to boast how your crappy A32 had a better battery
than all iphones ever? Simply because it was 5,000 mAh.
The question here is not whether iPhones have good battery life.
a. The question is how "efficiency" is defined and measured.
b. And, when defined & measured, how Apple's iPhones fared.
It's very clearly defined in the EU documentation. https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/articles/200508
The iphones compared very well. Especially against Samsung.
This is not a discussion of the wondrously creative ways Apple manages to
throw the word "efficient" 12 times in the 9-page iPhone data pages.
Oh ffs! Why do you keep repeating these lies? The document is a brochure about iphone *chargers* and reflects efficiency as required by the EPA. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IPHONES THEMSELVES.
There is only one regulated, independent efficiency metric for smartphones: >> the EU energy label.
A. That metric does not measure battery size or battery life.
Not true. It measures and reports both.
B. It measures energy efficiency under standardized test conditions.
That too.
When the EU labels were first published earlier this year, every iPhone
model at launch received a B in efficiency. Meanwhile, every major Android >> manufacturer had at least one model that earned an A. That is simply what
the EU data shows. It is not an opinion, and it is not "dogma."
It is the only standardized efficiency benchmark we have.
Battery life is not efficiency.
Battery life is *a function* of efficiency.
A device can have excellent battery life because of usage patterns, display >> choices, or thermal limits, while still scoring lower on a regulated
efficiency test.
You are free to argue that the EU metric is flawed or incomplete,
but you cannot replace a regulated efficiency standard with your own
definition and then claim that others are confused.
Right. So why do you continue in that vein? You are the epitome of choosing your own definitions when called out.
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