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Tyrone wrote:

On Dec 15, 2025 at 11:23:47rC>PM EST, "Marian" <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
wrote:

Tyrone wrote:

All of this nonsense is literally a tempest in a tea cup.

This is tracking your movements whether or not Apple trolls understand it.

No, it is tracking the movement of the router. You don't know my real name AND you don't know where I live.

AND, which is more likely? I bought a new router and sold the old one? Or I bought a new house and sold the old one?

You are the only stupid Apple Troll here. That you think the MAC address of a router identifies ME is beyond preposterous.

You would have better luck tracking the MAC address of my iPhone. Except that
my name is not attached to THAT either. It is a work phone, and the monthly bill is paid by the company. So only the company name is attached to it.

Do yourself a favor. Go back to claiming that Apple sends out the entire iOS for every update, even if only 1 line of code was changed. It is totally and obviously wrong AND just another absurd-claim-of-the-day for you. But at least
it is theoretically possible.

Speaking of which, I have 2 updates available on an M1 iPad Pro. One is for iPadOS 18.7.3. It is a 433.8MB download. The other is iPadOS 26.2. It is a 6.1GB download. Given your above absurd-claim-of-the-day, how do you explain the VAST size difference?

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

The issue here is not whether someone anywhere in the world at any time
knows your name or whether you bought a new router. The issue is that my
access point was both hidden and marked nomap, yet it still appears in
Apple's WPS database with coordinates attached.

That means the system collected and stored the location of a device that explicitly signaled it should not be mapped.

That is a design and implementation question, not a question of identity.

The concern is that anyone in the world can query the database and see the location of an access point just makes that privacy hole worse.

Whether the router belongs to me, you, or anyone else is irrelevant.

The privacy expectation is that nomap and hidden SSIDs prevent this kind of collection. The fact that they do not is the part most worth examining.
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On 2025-12-20, Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

That's fucking rich coming from the dude who regularly slings schoolyard insults. Efnu
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Jolly Roger wrote:

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the
discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

That's fucking rich coming from the dude who regularly slings schoolyard insults.

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am raising.

What happened was I read the article that claimed Apple's WPS database was uniquely both highly insecure and tremendously public - at the same time.

While that spells dire for anyone who is in the Apple WPS database, at
first I didn't worry because I've opted my AP out openly for many years.

And yet, when I checked, my opted-out AP was there, in the Apple WPS db.
I almost had a heart attack.

How could years of opting out of all other WPS db systems, not work only
for Apple's WPS database.

That's the fundamental flaw that I have proven exists in the Apple WPS db.

You can lambaste me for proving that flaw.
But I proved it nonetheless.

You can hate me for proving that flaw, Jolly Roger.
But you hating me for proving the flaw doesn't change that the flaw exists.

At this point, I'm redirecting my energies to trying to help Apple
executives make the correct moral, legal and ethical decision so that
hundreds of millions of people who opted out like I did, can be safer.
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On 2025-12-23, Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks. They do not help
the discussion and they do not address the technical point I am
raising.

That's fucking rich coming from the dude who regularly slings
schoolyard insults.

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks.

Uh huh. You can dish it, but you can't take it. You *regularly* insult
everyone who dares to correct your bullshit with schoolyard insults
calling them low-IQ morons, and the minute someone throws a little shade
back at you, you fold and cry foul. You're a fucking pussy, and a
weak troll.

At this point, I'm redirecting my energies to trying to help Apple
executives make the correct moral, legal and ethical decision so that hundreds of millions of people who opted out like I did, can be safer.

LOL! You are at least occasionally entertaining. Efnu
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Jolly Roger wrote:

I am not going to respond to the personal remarks.

Uh huh. You can dish it, but you can't take it. You *regularly* insult everyone who dares to correct your bullshit with schoolyard insults
calling them low-IQ morons, and the minute someone throws a little shade
back at you, you fold and cry foul. You're a fucking pussy, and a
weak troll.

Iom not interested in trading insults with you Jolly Roger.
Yet, if you want to discuss the topic in detail, I'm here for that.

1. Researchers wrote that Apple's WPS implementation is highly insecure.
2. Worse, researchers said it's different from other WPS implementations.
3. The researchers said anyone can collect Apple's entire WPS database.

There Apple WPS implementation is so highly flawed, researchers said it
allows anyone in the world to track your access point with no restrictions.

So I tested it.
a. I modified common open source code and proved the researchers correct
b. Worse, I found my own BSSID (which has _nomap) in Apple's WPS database
c. Which, Apple has written to me they have no intention of respecting

Those are facts.
Which of those facts are you desirous to discuss with the rest of us here?

My assessment of those facts is that it is wrong for Apple to keep me, and hundreds of millions of APs like mine, in their insecure WPS database.

I'm not at all surprised Apple's response shows that Apple's written
response is morally, legally and ethically reprehensible. Are you?
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