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In article <20251016201151.3946a92a@ryz.dorfdsl.de>,
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 16.10.2025 09:38 Uhr John D Groenveld wrote:

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Oracle Solaris"
PRETTY_NAME="Oracle Solaris 11.4"

[snipped]

I am curious:
Is that your home system or a system at work?

That's the output from a VM in my home lab but the output can be
gathered at $WORK.

On which architecture?

$ isainfo -kv
64-bit amd64 kernel modules
$ isainfo -vk
64-bit sparcv9 kernel modules

John
groenveld@acm.org

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On Oct 16, 2025 at 10:43:57rC>PM CDT, "John D Groenveld" <John D Groenveld> wrote:

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In article <20251016201151.3946a92a@ryz.dorfdsl.de>,
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 16.10.2025 09:38 Uhr John D Groenveld wrote:

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Oracle Solaris"
PRETTY_NAME="Oracle Solaris 11.4"

[snipped]

I am curious:
Is that your home system or a system at work?

That's the output from a VM in my home lab but the output can be
gathered at $WORK.

On which architecture?

$ isainfo -kv
64-bit amd64 kernel modules
$ isainfo -vk
64-bit sparcv9 kernel modules

John
groenveld@acm.org

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form of Solaris. I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

$ uname -a
SunOS omnios-inn 5.11 omnios-r151054-f66c95f374 i86pc i386 i86pc

I consider myself an amatuer, but would participate in relevant discussion.
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Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form of Solaris.

Larry Ellison has his high-margin, low-volume Solaris on a gentle
glide path to EOL: <URL:https://www.oracle.com/us/support/library/lifetime-support-hardware-301321.pdf>

I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

+1.

$ uname -a
SunOS omnios-inn 5.11 omnios-r151054-f66c95f374 i86pc i386 i86pc

Which inn storage backend are using?

I consider myself an amatuer, but would participate in relevant discussion.

<URL:https://omnios.org/about/contact.html>

John
groenveld@acm.org
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Am 17.10.2025 19:33 Uhr schrieb Jesse Rehmer:

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form of Solaris. I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

$ uname -a
SunOS omnios-inn 5.11 omnios-r151054-f66c95f374 i86pc i386 i86pc

I consider myself an amatuer, but would participate in relevant
discussion.

Deleting the Solaris groups was never on the discussion agenda...
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On Oct 17, 2025 at 8:37:08rC>PM CDT, "John D Groenveld" <John D Groenveld> wrote:

Which inn storage backend are using?

The 'production' system is running FreeBSD with tradspool, but am in the process of moving to new servers running OmniOS using CNFS (both use ovsqlite for overview).

Played around quite a bit with INN on FreeBSD vs OmniOS. Feeding both systems ~813,000,000 articles.

I see better compression on FreeBSD/OpenZFS using zstd (3.55x), compared to Illumos ZFS using lz4 (3.02x). Have not dug deep, but when feeding two servers the same set of articles using the same INN configuration tweaks, overall performance is better with OmniOS. Though in a typical user-driven scenario, I doubt anyone would notice or measure a difference.
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On Oct 18, 2025 at 12:44:24rC>AM CDT, "Marco Moock" <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Am 17.10.2025 19:33 Uhr schrieb Jesse Rehmer:

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form of
Solaris. I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

$ uname -a
SunOS omnios-inn 5.11 omnios-r151054-f66c95f374 i86pc i386 i86pc

I consider myself an amatuer, but would participate in relevant
discussion.

Deleting the Solaris groups was never on the discussion agenda...

I'm aware and support the Big 8 Management Board's decisions to remove
inactive newsgroups, even though I'm an archiver.

I cannot speak on behalf of users of the BSD variants targeted by the RFD
(that part of UNIX history is very muddy to me), but do know that the Solaris community is very much alive, regardless of what Oracle is doing and what is present on Usenet today.

Call me a 'fuddy-duddy', but I still hold hope that Usenet will see a revival, particularly among technologists. That said, I understand the reasons for wanting to keep hierarchies well managed and relevant.
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On 18.10.2025 15:19 Uhr Jesse Rehmer wrote:

On Oct 18, 2025 at 12:44:24rC>AM CDT, "Marco Moock"
<mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Am 17.10.2025 19:33 Uhr schrieb Jesse Rehmer:

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form
of Solaris. I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

$ uname -a
SunOS omnios-inn 5.11 omnios-r151054-f66c95f374 i86pc i386 i86pc

I consider myself an amatuer, but would participate in relevant
discussion.

Deleting the Solaris groups was never on the discussion agenda...

I'm aware and support the Big 8 Management Board's decisions to remove inactive newsgroups, even though I'm an archiver.

Fine, archives needs to exist and I love browsing and searching them.
It is the way I joined Usenet.

I cannot speak on behalf of users of the BSD variants targeted by the
RFD (that part of UNIX history is very muddy to me),

They are out of support for a long time, no recent discussion and not a
single reply that someone is interested in those topics. It seems there
are no lurkers or they don't care at all.

but do know that the Solaris community is very much alive, regardless
of what Oracle is doing and what is present on Usenet today.

That's great. Solaris still has support and seems to be in use - even
when declining. Dunno about the Illumos users.

Call me a 'fuddy-duddy', but I still hold hope that Usenet will see a revival, particularly among technologists. That said, I understand
the reasons for wanting to keep hierarchies well managed and relevant.

I hope so too, but to achieve that, there must be a place where
discussion happens, so people subscribe to group and that means
removing empty ones is a good thing.
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In article <20251019102155.5779c40f@ryz.dorfdsl.de>,
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 18.10.2025 15:19 Uhr Jesse Rehmer wrote:

[snip]
Deleting the Solaris groups was never on the discussion agenda...

I'm aware and support the Big 8 Management Board's decisions to remove
inactive newsgroups, even though I'm an archiver.

Fine, archives needs to exist and I love browsing and searching them.
It is the way I joined Usenet.

I cannot speak on behalf of users of the BSD variants targeted by the
RFD (that part of UNIX history is very muddy to me),

They are out of support for a long time, no recent discussion and not a >single reply that someone is interested in those topics. It seems there
are no lurkers or they don't care at all.

I broadly support the decision to remove the newsgroups named in
this proposal; the relevant BSD forks (BSDi, 386BSD) are unused.
It is possible that a hobbyist somewhere has, or will, bring
them up on some machine as an experiment, but I find it
difficult to believe that they have production users, let alone
such users who would reach out on USENET for support. If they
do, then those users could post in a more general BSD-related
newsgroup.

but do know that the Solaris community is very much alive, regardless
of what Oracle is doing and what is present on Usenet today.

That's great. Solaris still has support and seems to be in use - even
when declining. Dunno about the Illumos users.

illumos has users, even commercial users! I don't think that
community has much desire to use USENET, however. illumos is
significant as the only actively maintained, open source System
V variant, at least as far as I am aware.

Note, as a minor aside, "illumos" is usually left uncapitalized.
I'm afraid I do not know the origin of this styling, but some
folks are known to get a bit salty about it. :-)

I suspect that users wanting to use USENET for illumos related
topics would be well-served using a relatively generic Unix
group.

- Dan C.

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On Oct 19, 2025 at 10:26:53rC>AM CDT, "Dan Cross" <Dan Cross> wrote:

Note, as a minor aside, "illumos" is usually left uncapitalized.
I'm afraid I do not know the origin of this styling, but some
folks are known to get a bit salty about it. :-)

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't particularly noticed the distinction. Now I may go down a rabbit hole looking for the reason.

Over the last few years I've grown a strong desire to use anything that isn't Linux for personal projects. Still love Linux, but after 20 years of personal and professional use, I miss the variety that existed in the UNIX space once upon a time.

Initially switched to FreeBSD, and still enjoy it, but got the itch to play with Solaris. Admittedly, I hadn't paid attention to OpenSolaris much less illumos after the Oracle acquisition, but was excited to find a thriving community.

Found talks on YouTube by Bryan Cantrill and am fascinated with what they are doing at Oxide Computer, not just on the hardware side, but also what they're building around SmartOS. Watching almost every company become trapped in a RedHat, VMWare, and Dell/HP world - I'm excited for possibilities.
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Am 19.10.2025 17:02 Uhr schrieb Jesse Rehmer:

Over the last few years I've grown a strong desire to use anything
that isn't Linux for personal projects. Still love Linux, but after
20 years of personal and professional use, I miss the variety that
existed in the UNIX space once upon a time.

I did start using FreeBSD too in 2024 and I like certain aspects of
this system.

Initially switched to FreeBSD, and still enjoy it, but got the itch
to play with Solaris.

Do you also use FreeBSD as your desktop/laptop OS?
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On Oct 19, 2025 at 12:26:38rC>PM CDT, "Marco Moock" <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Am 19.10.2025 17:02 Uhr schrieb Jesse Rehmer:

Over the last few years I've grown a strong desire to use anything
that isn't Linux for personal projects. Still love Linux, but after
20 years of personal and professional use, I miss the variety that
existed in the UNIX space once upon a time.

I did start using FreeBSD too in 2024 and I like certain aspects of
this system.

Initially switched to FreeBSD, and still enjoy it, but got the itch
to play with Solaris.

Do you also use FreeBSD as your desktop/laptop OS?

Not currently, I've been using a Mac as my primary machine for about 20 years.

Briefly installed FreeBSD 14 with a desktop environment, but lost patience dealing with issues trying to use various apps needed for work (IIRC Zoom was
a blocker, it was either the webcam or the mic/audio, cannot recall but gave
up quickly).

I should try again with more modern/supported hardware.
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In article <10d35iu$1gf7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 2025 at 10:26:53rC>AM CDT, "Dan Cross" <Dan Cross> wrote:

Note, as a minor aside, "illumos" is usually left uncapitalized.
I'm afraid I do not know the origin of this styling, but some
folks are known to get a bit salty about it. :-)

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't particularly noticed the distinction. >Now I may go down a rabbit hole looking for the reason.

No worries! And I don't mean to make a big deal out of it; it's
just a small thing I noticed.

Over the last few years I've grown a strong desire to use anything that isn't >Linux for personal projects. Still love Linux, but after 20 years of personal >and professional use, I miss the variety that existed in the UNIX space once >upon a time.

Initially switched to FreeBSD, and still enjoy it, but got the itch to play >with Solaris. Admittedly, I hadn't paid attention to OpenSolaris much less >illumos after the Oracle acquisition, but was excited to find a thriving >community.

I definitely identify with this, and I have found it useful to
maintain a number of systems at home. Diversity is good to
provide depth of experience.

Found talks on YouTube by Bryan Cantrill and am fascinated with what they are >doing at Oxide Computer, not just on the hardware side, but also what they're >building around SmartOS. Watching almost every company become trapped in a >RedHat, VMWare, and Dell/HP world - I'm excited for possibilities.

Another minor quibble, but Helios (the Oxide variant of illumos)
is not based on SmartOS, but rather started with OmniOS CE.

In many regards, the host OS is a bit of an implementation
detail for Oxide hardware, though it is true that we use a lot
of functionality from the base OS (zones, ZFS, etc). In my
opinion, the holistic boot approach and minimization of firmware
is more interesting.

- Dan C.

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On Oct 19, 2025 at 4:19:37rC>PM CDT, "Dan Cross" <Dan Cross> wrote:

In article <10d35iu$1gf7$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 2025 at 10:26:53rC>AM CDT, "Dan Cross" <Dan Cross> wrote:

Note, as a minor aside, "illumos" is usually left uncapitalized.
I'm afraid I do not know the origin of this styling, but some
folks are known to get a bit salty about it. :-)

Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't particularly noticed the distinction. >> Now I may go down a rabbit hole looking for the reason.

No worries! And I don't mean to make a big deal out of it; it's
just a small thing I noticed.

I'm sure it means something significant, to someone.

Over the last few years I've grown a strong desire to use anything that isn't
Linux for personal projects. Still love Linux, but after 20 years of personal
and professional use, I miss the variety that existed in the UNIX space once >> upon a time.

Initially switched to FreeBSD, and still enjoy it, but got the itch to play >> with Solaris. Admittedly, I hadn't paid attention to OpenSolaris much less >> illumos after the Oracle acquisition, but was excited to find a thriving
community.

I definitely identify with this, and I have found it useful to
maintain a number of systems at home. Diversity is good to
provide depth of experience.

Found talks on YouTube by Bryan Cantrill and am fascinated with what they are
doing at Oxide Computer, not just on the hardware side, but also what they're
building around SmartOS. Watching almost every company become trapped in a >> RedHat, VMWare, and Dell/HP world - I'm excited for possibilities.

Another minor quibble, but Helios (the Oxide variant of illumos)
is not based on SmartOS, but rather started with OmniOS CE.

In many regards, the host OS is a bit of an implementation
detail for Oxide hardware, though it is true that we use a lot
of functionality from the base OS (zones, ZFS, etc). In my
opinion, the holistic boot approach and minimization of firmware
is more interesting.

- Dan C.

Thank you for the knowledge (and everything you guys are doing at Oxide - the market needs to be disrupted).

I've been unemployed for a few months, thinking about the past and what I want from the future, and stumbled onto a YouTube playlist of "Cantrill talks".
That turned into several days of listening to him rant (I mean speak) about various topics from his Sun days and beyond. I'm intertwining bits from his Joyent and Oxide days. I've barely scratched the surface on what Oxide is actually doing, but I *love* it.

This was the last in that playlist and got my attention: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWDDx74s090>

I've yet to dig into the Oxide content, so forgive my confusion/newbness. Nice to see some of the community on Usenet, though!
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Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

Thank you for the knowledge (and everything you guys are doing at Oxide - the >market needs to be disrupted).

Being reliant on an Intel and VMWare duopoly for root of trust and
attestation smelled like a trap to my nose.

John
groenveld@acm.org
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In article <10d3des$2pe0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

Briefly installed FreeBSD 14 with a desktop environment, but lost patience >dealing with issues trying to use various apps needed for work (IIRC Zoom was >a blocker, it was either the webcam or the mic/audio, cannot recall but gave >up quickly).

Untested, but looks like the porters are not quite there yet with
Zoom unless you use phone audio: <URL:https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/net-im/zoom/pkg-message>

Are webcamd dependent apps working on FreeBSD?
Google Meet via Chrome?
John
groenveld@acm.org
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In article <mlmlmlFcounU1@mid.individual.net>,
John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org> wrote:

In article <10d3ujv$2dqa$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

Thank you for the knowledge (and everything you guys are doing at Oxide - the >>market needs to be disrupted).

Being reliant on an Intel and VMWare duopoly for root of trust and >attestation smelled like a trap to my nose.

Almost certainly.

Being reliant on Broadcom to set your per-seat pricing while
they gut VMWare and sucks every cent they can out of it perhaps
even more so, though.

- Dan C.

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In article <10d3ujv$2dqa$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>,
Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

On Oct 19, 2025 at 4:19:37rC>PM CDT, "Dan Cross" <Dan Cross> wrote:

[snip]
Found talks on YouTube by Bryan Cantrill and am fascinated with what they are
doing at Oxide Computer, not just on the hardware side, but also what they're
building around SmartOS. Watching almost every company become trapped in a >>> RedHat, VMWare, and Dell/HP world - I'm excited for possibilities.

Another minor quibble, but Helios (the Oxide variant of illumos)
is not based on SmartOS, but rather started with OmniOS CE.

In many regards, the host OS is a bit of an implementation
detail for Oxide hardware, though it is true that we use a lot
of functionality from the base OS (zones, ZFS, etc). In my
opinion, the holistic boot approach and minimization of firmware
is more interesting.

Thank you for the knowledge (and everything you guys are doing at Oxide - the >market needs to be disrupted).

Thanks, that's very kind of you to say.

I've been unemployed for a few months, thinking about the past and what I want >from the future, and stumbled onto a YouTube playlist of "Cantrill talks". >That turned into several days of listening to him rant (I mean speak) about >various topics from his Sun days and beyond. I'm intertwining bits from his >Joyent and Oxide days. I've barely scratched the surface on what Oxide is >actually doing, but I *love* it.

This was the last in that playlist and got my attention: ><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWDDx74s090>

Yup, that's a good one. Note that at 39:00 he talks about the
"Pico Host Boot Loader" (phbl). That starts from the x86 reset
vector and loads the host OS (as a "normal" ELF binary); the
first instruction the big CPU executes is in our code. One can
see that instruction (and the rest of the phbl code) here: https://github.com/oxidecomputer/phbl/blob/main/src/start.S

I've yet to dig into the Oxide content, so forgive my confusion/newbness. Nice >to see some of the community on Usenet, though!

No need to apologize! Have fun checking it out.

- Dan C.

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Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

Being reliant on Broadcom to set your per-seat pricing while
they gut VMWare and sucks every cent they can out of it perhaps
even more so, though.

I have noticed small businesses migrating from VMWare to Proxmox.
And I see FreeBSD Foundation is sponsoring Sylve: <URL:https://github.com/AlchemillaHQ/Sylve>

Good to see options in all markets.
John
groenveld@acm.org
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In article <mlvl6gFia9vU1@mid.individual.net>,
John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org> wrote:

In article <10d5hl1$8r7$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

Being reliant on Broadcom to set your per-seat pricing while
they gut VMWare and sucks every cent they can out of it perhaps
even more so, though.

I have noticed small businesses migrating from VMWare to Proxmox.

I think that's a great solution for a lot of organizations,
frankly. There are a lot of mom'n'pop shops using an instance
of VMWare on a server in the back office to handle their IT
infra, and usually those places don't need a whole lot. A FOSS
stack on reputablely sourced and modestly priced commodity
hardware is a very effective combination in that context.

And I see FreeBSD Foundation is sponsoring Sylve: ><URL:https://github.com/AlchemillaHQ/Sylve>

Very nice. Bhyve is pretty cool; Oxide uses it (under illumos)
for instance. A big downside vis KVM is lack of nested
virtualization, but nested virt on x86 is a) hard, and b) really
buggy, but eventually someone's going to show up wanting to run
WSL2 (which requires Hyper-V) in a VM, but it hasn't happened
yet.

Good to see options in all markets.

100%. An Oxide rack is obviously not appropriate for all
applications, and a public cloud offering may come with
recurring costs that are too high. Having multiple options (and
avoiding monocultures) is a good thing.

- Dan C.

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Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

Very nice. Bhyve is pretty cool; Oxide uses it (under illumos)
for instance. A big downside vis KVM is lack of nested
virtualization, but nested virt on x86 is a) hard, and b) really
buggy, but eventually someone's going to show up wanting to run
WSL2 (which requires Hyper-V) in a VM, but it hasn't happened
yet.

Its coming.

I remember attending a Microsoft sales pitch maybe a decade ago
describing easing the barriers for moving a developer environment
from a Dell laptop to HyperV running on you PowerEdge in our
datacenter or Microsoft's nascent cloud service.

At the time I had a kludgy solution for moving Virtualbox VMs
to Solaris VBox zones but VMware won out.

Off to watch some demos on the Oxide channel on YouTube to see
what frictions on building out application enclaves and stacks
you and your colleagues have removed.
John
groenveld@acm.org
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On 2025-10-31, John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org> wrote:

In article <10dggtf$gdl$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

Very nice. Bhyve is pretty cool; Oxide uses it (under illumos)
for instance. A big downside vis KVM is lack of nested
virtualization, but nested virt on x86 is a) hard, and b) really
buggy, but eventually someone's going to show up wanting to run
WSL2 (which requires Hyper-V) in a VM, but it hasn't happened
yet.

Its coming.

I remember attending a Microsoft sales pitch maybe a decade ago
describing easing the barriers for moving a developer environment
from a Dell laptop to HyperV running on you PowerEdge in our
datacenter or Microsoft's nascent cloud service.

At the time I had a kludgy solution for moving Virtualbox VMs
to Solaris VBox zones but VMware won out.

Off to watch some demos on the Oxide channel on YouTube to see
what frictions on building out application enclaves and stacks
you and your colleagues have removed.
John
groenveld@acm.org

Heh, sounds about right. WerCOve been chasing the same circle since the Sun box
daysrCodifferent hardware, same headaches. I still remember shoehorning zones, LDOMs, and jails just to prove we could run three layers of rCLinnovationrCY that
didnrCOt like each other. Everyone wants nested virt until it breaks, then itrCOs
back to the bare metal like men do. Oxide looks slick though; at least someonerCOs
building real kit instead of another layer of marketing fog.
--
Tom Mix
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In article <mmk96kF2chsU1@mid.individual.net>,
John D Groenveld <groenveld@acm.org> wrote:

In article <10dggtf$gdl$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:

Very nice. Bhyve is pretty cool; Oxide uses it (under illumos)
for instance. A big downside vis KVM is lack of nested
virtualization, but nested virt on x86 is a) hard, and b) really
buggy, but eventually someone's going to show up wanting to run
WSL2 (which requires Hyper-V) in a VM, but it hasn't happened
yet.

Its coming.

I remember attending a Microsoft sales pitch maybe a decade ago
describing easing the barriers for moving a developer environment
from a Dell laptop to HyperV running on you PowerEdge in our
datacenter or Microsoft's nascent cloud service.

Yeah, we had something similar when I was still at Google: you
could sign up for a "cloud" instance to replace your desktop
workstation. I guess you'd plug a laptop into a pair of large
monitors and a decent keyboard/mouse, but do most of your work
remoting into the cloud instance.

Honestly, it was fine for the legions of folks slinging Java
code to move protobufs about, but for folks doing low-level
systems work, not so much.

At the time I had a kludgy solution for moving Virtualbox VMs
to Solaris VBox zones but VMware won out.

Off to watch some demos on the Oxide channel on YouTube to see
what frictions on building out application enclaves and stacks
you and your colleagues have removed.

Let me know your impressions; I'm interested. I informally
pinged a few folks back at PSU about Oxide but no one got back
to me.

With Broadcom doing its level best to destroy VMware, we've
gotten a lot of in-bound interest, though admittedly a lot of it
seems more targetted towards re-homing hyperscalar cloud
deployments than an outright VMware replacement. Of course, we
definitely still have work to do.

- Dan C.

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On 17/10/2025 20:33, Jesse Rehmer wrote:

On Oct 16, 2025 at 10:43:57rC>PM CDT, "John D Groenveld" <John D Groenveld> wrote:

[followups set to comp.unix.solaris]

In article <20251016201151.3946a92a@ryz.dorfdsl.de>,
Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

On 16.10.2025 09:38 Uhr John D Groenveld wrote:

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Oracle Solaris"
PRETTY_NAME="Oracle Solaris 11.4"

[snipped]

I am curious:
Is that your home system or a system at work?

That's the output from a VM in my home lab but the output can be
gathered at $WORK.

On which architecture?

$ isainfo -kv
64-bit amd64 kernel modules
$ isainfo -vk
64-bit sparcv9 kernel modules

John
groenveld@acm.org

I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers who are still using some form of Solaris.

Yep, still running Solaris (S11.4), I'll not mention how I get updates :-)

I'm a big fan of Illumos distributions myself:

Looking to ma ethe switch at some pointin the next year or two
--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly" http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
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