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The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

On 27/08/2024 23:56, Johanne Fairchild wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote:

In comp.unix.programmer Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

(And I have no idea about this rCLBlackrCY thing. I just do my thing.)

Black is a [bla bla bla]

*Yawn*

The guy was kindly and politely sharing information with you.

He was sharing the information with _us_, and we're much more important.

Lawrence was trying to make him feel like we shouldn't receive it or not receive it in context!

Although there might be some value in the latter because if we killfile
trolls and their followup chains we'll only receive the useful
information if it's not given as a followup.

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Tristan Wibberley

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citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except that you may,
of course, cite it academically giving credit to me, distribute it
verbatim as part of a usenet system or its archives, and use it to
promote my greatness and general superiority without misrepresentation
of my opinions other than my opinion of my greatness and general
superiority which you _may_ misrepresent. You definitely MAY NOT train
any production AI system with it but you may train experimental AI that
will only be used for evaluation of the AI methods it implements.

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Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> writes:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote:

In comp.unix.programmer Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

(And I have no idea about this rCLBlackrCY thing. I just do my thing.)

Black is a [bla bla bla]

*Yawn*

The guy was kindly and politely sharing information with you.

For the sake of accuracy, here's what Sebastian wrote (more than a year
ago):

Black is a Python program that formats Python code
almost exactly the way you formatted that snippet of Lisp
code. It's just as ugly in Python as it is in Lisp. Black
spreads by convincing organizations to mandate its use. It's
utterly non-configurable on purpose, in order to guarantee
that eventually, all Python code is made to be as ugly
and unreadable as possible.

This is more exaggerated opinion than information. Of course there's
nothing wrong with that sharing an opinion, but there's also nothing
wrong with responding to an inflammatory opinion with a yawn.

Here's what the "black" man page says:

NAME
black - uncompromising Python code formatter

SUMMARY
black is the uncompromising Python code formatter. By using it,
you agree to cede control over minutiae of hand-formatting. In
return, Black gives you speed, determinism, and freedom from
pycodestyle nagging about formatting. You will save time and
mental energy for more important matters.
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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */
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On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all
(given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

--
Tristan Wibberley

... oh, a non-signature, I see!
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Nuno Silva
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Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

Just some days ago I was referring in a post to the/my sig below and
someone reacted in a way that did remind me that some "newsbrowsers"
have the option to not show sigs at all.

Maybe I should restart my top sig bottom post experiment. o;-P

For some sigs I really would prefer not having read them at all, but
some just add a nice additional comments layer.

--
Tristan Wibberley

... oh, a non-signature, I see!

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On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).
--
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Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca
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On 2025-10-18, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all
(given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

That is precisely the problem, it does not imply that, the author may
not have waived any rights, but their rights are still not absolute in a
way that it cannot be copied or redistributed without their
approval. Several countries limit the extent of the limitations imposed
by copyright. "All rights reserved" is misleading precisely because it
may be understood as "no copying or redistribution allowed".

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

--
Nuno Silva
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:30:05 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in >>>> the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all
(given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

That is precisely the problem, it does not imply that, the author may
not have waived any rights, but their rights are still not absolute in a
way that it cannot be copied or redistributed without their
approval. Several countries limit the extent of the limitations imposed
by copyright. "All rights reserved" is misleading precisely because it
may be understood as "no copying or redistribution allowed".

Copyright law varies by country, though international agreements may
limit some types of variation.

For example, as found at https://www.uspto.gov/ip-policy/copyright-policy/copyright-basics

U.S. copyright law contains numerous exceptions and limitations to the exclusive rights of copyright owners, including in the following areas:

Library and archival copying
Educational and nonprofit broadcasting for purposes of distance learning Nonprofit live performances and displays
Reproductions for visually impaired persons
Making copies of computer programs for archival and/or maintenance
purposes
In addition, section 107 of the Copyright Act codifies the doctrine of
fair use,...an illustrative list of types of uses that generally
are considered appropriate for a finding of fair use. These include
uses for purposes of criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching,
scholarship and research.
In determining whether a particular use is a fair use, section 107
specifies four factors that courts must consider:
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such
use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation
to the copyrighted work as a whole;
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or
value of the copyrighted work.

Note that teaching, comment, criticism and news reporting
are generally considered fair use...
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UNIX is not user-unfriendly, it merely
expects users to be computer friendly.
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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted
in the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at
all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have
adhered to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

In my young, fatuous days, i vandalized a few softwares to say
"All rights reversed". ;)
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On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted
in the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at
all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have
adhered to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

In my young, fatuous days, i vandalized a few softwares to say
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".
--
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Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
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On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Janis

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On 2025-10-22, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Possibly a topic for alt.folklore.computers?
--
Nuno Silva

Copyleft (raa) MMXXV All Wrongs Reversed
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On 23.10.2025 00:13, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-10-22, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Possibly a topic for alt.folklore.computers?

Good hint, thanks. - I'll see whether there's folks around there...

[ followup-to: alt.folklore.computers set ]

Janis

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