• Re: Placeholder for June 20, 2025 - Apple trolls - cryingthat the mean ole' EU banned their iPhone for sale

    From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 4 18:26:50 2025
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    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    It's absurd the level of desperation the Apple religious zealots will go to in order to defend everything Apple to the death, no matter what.

    Well, I’m an iPhone user and have been since the 4 model. But I don’t understand the vehement denials of the iPhone’s shortcomings. Every manufacturer makes compromises in their products in order to maintain cost controls. Apple is no exception, and neither is Samsung or any other
    premium phone maker. People act like Apple’s shit doesn’t ever stink, when it obviously smells just as bad or worse than others. It’s like a religion
    to them.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 4 13:12:39 2025
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    On 2025-07-04 11:26, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    It's absurd the level of desperation the Apple religious zealots will go to >> in order to defend everything Apple to the death, no matter what.

    Well, I’m an iPhone user and have been since the 4 model. But I don’t understand the vehement denials of the iPhone’s shortcomings. Every manufacturer makes compromises in their products in order to maintain cost controls. Apple is no exception, and neither is Samsung or any other
    premium phone maker. People act like Apple’s shit doesn’t ever stink, when
    it obviously smells just as bad or worse than others. It’s like a religion to them.

    What shortcomings have been denied in this conversation?

    What we've denied is the obvious bullshit that Apple's devices are
    failures because Apple chose to downrate their scores to a "B" on a 7
    letter scale.

    We deny the batteries that run iPhones for as long or longer than
    competing smartphones are "cheap" or "crappy".

    Etc.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 01:48:47 2025
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    On Fri, 4 Jul 2025 18:26:50 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    It's absurd the level of desperation the Apple religious zealots will go to >> in order to defend everything Apple to the death, no matter what.

    Well, I'm an iPhone user and have been since the 4 model. But I don't understand the vehement denials of the iPhone's shortcomings. Every manufacturer makes compromises in their products in order to maintain cost controls. Apple is no exception, and neither is Samsung or any other
    premium phone maker. People act like Apple's shit doesn't ever stink, when
    it obviously smells just as bad or worse than others. It's like a religion
    to them.

    You've been around long enough on a variety of newsgroups to know that the Apple newsgroups are NOT the same as any other newsgroup is.

    If, for example, Google or Samsung do something that nobody likes, then
    nobody on the Android newsgroup spins excuses for why they did it since
    nobody likes Google and nobody really cares to defend Samsung to the death.

    Likewise with Windows, where there's no love lost on Microsoft.
    It's only on the Apple newsgroups that this dynamic occurs.

    Why?
    I think I know why.

    You're an adult but the religious zealots outnumber you dozens to one.
    These uneducated religious zealots are NOT normal people.

    They're ignorant to the core, but worse, they're unable to learn.
    Combine their stupidity with their religious zealotry & that's what you
    get.

    Every Apple troll is a MAGA zealot.
    Every Apple troll is imbued with the mantra: Make Apple Great Again

    Like any MAGA zealot, the level they go to defend Apple to the death,
    no matter what, is so absurd you have to wonder what their IQ is.

    I don't put Alan's IQ at any better than about 40.
    Chris is higher, but still below normal.
    Jolly Roger is nearer to Alan than to Chris.
    etc.

    You can tell they're stupid by the way they deny what nobody would.
    And in doing so, they think that's a perfectly sound rebuttal.

    Who is that stupid?
    Answer: Apple troll are.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 11:25:20 2025
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    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Every Apple troll is a MAGA zealot.
    Every Apple troll is imbued with the mantra: Make Apple Great Again


    LOL! I’ll bet that moniker really gets their goat!
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 08:16:29 2025
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    On 2025-07-05 04:25, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Every Apple troll is a MAGA zealot.
    Every Apple troll is imbued with the mantra: Make Apple Great Again


    LOL! I’ll bet that moniker really gets their goat!

    Yeah...

    ...you'd lose that bet.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sat Jul 5 15:44:54 2025
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    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-07-05 04:25, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Every Apple troll is a MAGA zealot.
    Every Apple troll is imbued with the mantra: Make Apple Great Again


    LOL! I’ll bet that moniker really gets their goat!

    Yeah...

    ...you'd lose that bet.


    Maybe I am wrong and you don’t mind being MAGA…

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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 7 15:43:42 2025
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    On 2025-07-05 11:44, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-07-05 04:25, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    Every Apple troll is a MAGA zealot.
    Every Apple troll is imbued with the mantra: Make Apple Great Again


    LOL! IrCOll bet that moniker really gets their goat!

    Yeah...

    ...you'd lose that bet.


    Maybe I am wrong and you donrCOt mind being MAGArCa


    You're wrong because I'm not a "MAGA zealot" in any sense of the phrase
    that's being used here.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jul 7 15:44:13 2025
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    On 2025-07-04 16:12, Alan wrote:
    On 2025-07-04 11:26, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    It's absurd the level of desperation the Apple religious zealots will
    go to
    in order to defend everything Apple to the death, no matter what.

    Well, IrCOm an iPhone user and have been since the 4 model. But I donrCOt
    understand the vehement denials of the iPhonerCOs shortcomings. Every
    manufacturer makes compromises in their products in order to maintain
    cost
    controls. Apple is no exception, and neither is Samsung or any other
    premium phone maker. People act like ApplerCOs shit doesnrCOt ever stink, >> when
    it obviously smells just as bad or worse than others. ItrCOs like a
    religion
    to them.

    What shortcomings have been denied in this conversation?

    What we've denied is the obvious bullshit that Apple's devices are
    failures because Apple chose to downrate their scores to a "B" on a 7
    letter scale.

    We deny the batteries that run iPhones for as long or longer than
    competing smartphones are "cheap" or "crappy".

    Etc.

    <crickets.wav>
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jun 29 22:26:01 2025
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    Here's how to get the OEM's June 20th 2025 regulatory filings:
    1. Go to the EPREL database: <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/>
    2. Select the product category: "Smartphones and tablets"
    <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669>
    3. First search by brand, e.g., Google, Apple, Samsung, etc.
    4. Refine by "Model identifier" using the European model numbers above
    (e.g., Samsung SM-A326B or Google GUR25 Pixel or Apple A3287 iPhone 16)
    5. Despite marketing bullshit - these are actual truthful reports.

    I just now ran a search for about a dozen brands sold in the EU.

    Sorted alphabetically, the results for their best scores are...
    The Apple A3287 iPhone 16 rating is "B" (with B being worse than A)
    The ASUS ASUSAI2501H rating is "A"
    The Fairphone (Gen.6) FP6 rating is "A"
    The Google GUR25 Pixel rating is "A"
    The Honor DNP-NX9 rating is "A"
    The Motorola g86 5G (XT2527-2) rating is "A"
    The Nokia (HMD) TA-1600 rating is "A"
    The Nothing cmf A001 rating is "A"
    The Oppo CPH2695 rating is "A"
    The Samsung SM-S937B/DS rating is "A"
    The Xiaomi 24129PN74G rating is "A"
    etc.

    While some Android OEMs had all "A" ratings, others had a mix, but only
    Apple had zero (yes, zero) phones that were even close to Android in efficiency.

    Why is this highly advertised "efficiency" not showing up in Apple's own regulatory filings? Did Apple lie about efficiency. Would they do that?

    The fundamental question is why do all iPhones suck at efficiency?
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=21867&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#21867>

    Why is Apple's 44-page report filled with excuses, while the Android makers have no problem reporting efficiency results without 43 pages of excuses?

    Why are iPhones so inefficient in legal factual regulatory filings?
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Sun Jun 29 16:14:52 2025
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    On 2025-06-29 15:26, Marion wrote:
    Here's how to get the OEM's June 20th 2025 regulatory filings:
    1. Go to the EPREL database: <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/>
    2. Select the product category: "Smartphones and tablets"
    <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669>
    3. First search by brand, e.g., Google, Apple, Samsung, etc.
    4. Refine by "Model identifier" using the European model numbers above
    (e.g., Samsung SM-A326B or Google GUR25 Pixel or Apple A3287 iPhone 16) 5. Despite marketing bullshit - these are actual truthful reports.

    I just now ran a search for about a dozen brands sold in the EU.

    Sorted alphabetically, the results for their best scores are...
    The Apple A3287 iPhone 16 rating is "B" (with B being worse than A)
    The ASUS ASUSAI2501H rating is "A"
    The Fairphone (Gen.6) FP6 rating is "A"
    The Google GUR25 Pixel rating is "A"
    The Honor DNP-NX9 rating is "A"
    The Motorola g86 5G (XT2527-2) rating is "A"
    The Nokia (HMD) TA-1600 rating is "A"
    The Nothing cmf A001 rating is "A"
    The Oppo CPH2695 rating is "A"
    The Samsung SM-S937B/DS rating is "A"
    The Xiaomi 24129PN74G rating is "A"
    etc.

    While some Android OEMs had all "A" ratings, others had a mix, but only
    Apple had zero (yes, zero) phones that were even close to Android in efficiency.

    Why is this highly advertised "efficiency" not showing up in Apple's own regulatory filings? Did Apple lie about efficiency. Would they do that?

    The fundamental question is why do all iPhones suck at efficiency?
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=21867&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#21867>

    Why is Apple's 44-page report filled with excuses, while the Android makers have no problem reporting efficiency results without 43 pages of excuses?

    Why are iPhones so inefficient in legal factual regulatory filings?

    Easy:

    Apple has far more to lose with bad publicity if they are alleged to
    have given their phones higher ratings than they deserve.

    In short, every tech news site will check Apple's results...

    ...and won't bother checking anyone else's.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jun 30 16:23:17 2025
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    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-06-29 15:26, Marion wrote:
    Here's how to get the OEM's June 20th 2025 regulatory filings:
    1. Go to the EPREL database: <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/>
    2. Select the product category: "Smartphones and tablets"
    <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669>
    3. First search by brand, e.g., Google, Apple, Samsung, etc.
    4. Refine by "Model identifier" using the European model numbers above
    (e.g., Samsung SM-A326B or Google GUR25 Pixel or Apple A3287 iPhone 16)
    5. Despite marketing bullshit - these are actual truthful reports.

    I just now ran a search for about a dozen brands sold in the EU.

    Sorted alphabetically, the results for their best scores are...
    The Apple A3287 iPhone 16 rating is "B" (with B being worse than A)
    The ASUS ASUSAI2501H rating is "A"
    The Fairphone (Gen.6) FP6 rating is "A"
    The Google GUR25 Pixel rating is "A"
    The Honor DNP-NX9 rating is "A"
    The Motorola g86 5G (XT2527-2) rating is "A"
    The Nokia (HMD) TA-1600 rating is "A"
    The Nothing cmf A001 rating is "A"
    The Oppo CPH2695 rating is "A"
    The Samsung SM-S937B/DS rating is "A"
    The Xiaomi 24129PN74G rating is "A"
    etc.

    While some Android OEMs had all "A" ratings, others had a mix, but only
    Apple had zero (yes, zero) phones that were even close to Android in
    efficiency.

    Why is this highly advertised "efficiency" not showing up in Apple's own
    regulatory filings? Did Apple lie about efficiency. Would they do that?

    The fundamental question is why do all iPhones suck at efficiency?
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=21867&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#21867>

    Why is Apple's 44-page report filled with excuses, while the Android makers >> have no problem reporting efficiency results without 43 pages of excuses?

    Why are iPhones so inefficient in legal factual regulatory filings?

    Easy:

    Apple has far more to lose with bad publicity if they are alleged to
    have given their phones higher ratings than they deserve.

    In short, every tech news site will check Apple's results...

    ...and won't bother checking anyone else's.


    LOL LOL LOL !!!

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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Mon Jun 30 09:50:05 2025
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    On 2025-06-30 09:23, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-06-29 15:26, Marion wrote:
    Here's how to get the OEM's June 20th 2025 regulatory filings:
    1. Go to the EPREL database: <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/>
    2. Select the product category: "Smartphones and tablets"
    <https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669>
    3. First search by brand, e.g., Google, Apple, Samsung, etc.
    4. Refine by "Model identifier" using the European model numbers above
    (e.g., Samsung SM-A326B or Google GUR25 Pixel or Apple A3287 iPhone 16)
    5. Despite marketing bullshit - these are actual truthful reports.

    I just now ran a search for about a dozen brands sold in the EU.

    Sorted alphabetically, the results for their best scores are...
    The Apple A3287 iPhone 16 rating is "B" (with B being worse than A)
    The ASUS ASUSAI2501H rating is "A"
    The Fairphone (Gen.6) FP6 rating is "A"
    The Google GUR25 Pixel rating is "A"
    The Honor DNP-NX9 rating is "A"
    The Motorola g86 5G (XT2527-2) rating is "A"
    The Nokia (HMD) TA-1600 rating is "A"
    The Nothing cmf A001 rating is "A"
    The Oppo CPH2695 rating is "A"
    The Samsung SM-S937B/DS rating is "A"
    The Xiaomi 24129PN74G rating is "A"
    etc.

    While some Android OEMs had all "A" ratings, others had a mix, but only
    Apple had zero (yes, zero) phones that were even close to Android in
    efficiency.

    Why is this highly advertised "efficiency" not showing up in Apple's own >>> regulatory filings? Did Apple lie about efficiency. Would they do that?

    The fundamental question is why do all iPhones suck at efficiency?
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=21867&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#21867>

    Why is Apple's 44-page report filled with excuses, while the Android makers >>> have no problem reporting efficiency results without 43 pages of excuses? >>>
    Why are iPhones so inefficient in legal factual regulatory filings?

    Easy:

    Apple has far more to lose with bad publicity if they are alleged to
    have given their phones higher ratings than they deserve.

    In short, every tech news site will check Apple's results...

    ...and won't bother checking anyone else's.


    LOL LOL LOL !!!


    Sure.

    You let us know when the other companies get covered.
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  • From Marion@marion@facts.com to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.android on Fri Jul 4 08:30:57 2025
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    On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 16:23:17 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Apple has far more to lose with bad publicity if they are alleged to
    have given their phones higher ratings than they deserve.

    In short, every tech news site will check Apple's results...

    ...and won't bother checking anyone else's.


    LOL LOL LOL !!!

    Hi badgolferman,

    I'm a scientist and an engineer so I can read the database as well as you.
    The wholly uneducated Apple religious zealots can't.

    The Apple zealots are spinning excuses for why iPhones fared poorly.
    Personally I'm shocked. Shocked I say, that iPhones fared poorly.

    Even in battery endurance per cycle, in the EPREL database Samsung models,
    have a 10 hour advantage. That's a whopping ~16% higher average battery endurance per cycle for Samsung devices compared to Apple models.

    Apple has the most brilliant marketing in the world, so they "spin". Specifically notice Apple didn't say "which" metric they underestimated.
    They could have disagreed with the fonts used, for all that they said.

    So by implication, Apple disparaged all the metrics they had agreed upon.

    It's deceitful to agree on metrics, and then cast aspersions on them only because the iPhone didn't do well in the tests they had agreed upon.

    But I have to admit, the brilliance works great on the uneducated zealots.

    (Remember the "batterygate" spin that Apple phones had special laws of
    physics that only occur when an iOS update goes from 10.1 to 10.2?)

    Here, Apple used the same testing agencies approved by the EU that everyone else used, and here Apple was on the committees that were consulted when creating the rules and here Apple knew years ahead of time what those rules were.

    And yet, when you read Apple's (admittedly brilliant) excuses, it appears
    to those who don't understand those facts above that somehow Apple didn't
    lie to us all these years in that Apple "feels" (emotionally perhaps?) the iPhone was actually more "efficient" (in internal tests) than what it is in real life in the hands of the independent testers Apple *paid* to do the
    tests (and which everyone else used without needing Apple's excuses).

    It's absurd the level of desperation the Apple religious zealots will go to
    in order to defend everything Apple to the death, no matter what.
    --
    Note in today's news, for the first time in Apple's history, the iPhone 17
    is rumored to have a modern-sized battery - which is important because the cheap battery Apple puts into all current iPhones is such that only the
    iPhone 15 and up *barely* squeak past the UK's longevity requirements - no other iPhone does - and even so - while Androids easily *double* the UK longevity requirements, the iPhone barely squeaks by. This is, of course,
    not an accident, as Apple knows full well the implications of their crappy batteries in terms of longevity of the iPhone in the customers's hands.
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