• MacBook Air transition, and a confession

    From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Feb 19 12:29:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.

    Having used an iPhone and iPad OS for several years has made MacOS an
    easy transition. I have to admit I wish I had done this sooner. Several
    CSMA Mac fans "encouraged" me to do so. But years of Windows laptops
    made it hard to give up all that experience and learning. In the past
    there were a few other reasons too, but those have vanished in time.

    Then there was the experience of trying a M1 MacBook Pro in late 2021.
    It needed to run Parallels and Windows for a stats program that is Windows-only. Needed a faster computer to analyze a huge dataset that is
    far beyond what Excel can handle. Set that all up and 2 weeks later the MacBook failed to boot. I returned it to Apple and bought the Dell I
    have today. Swore I'd never do that again.

    Why now you ask? This week I took the wife's iPhone 14 to the Apple
    Store for battery replacement. It hit 79% at 3 years of otherwise
    excellent service. While there I looked at the Air and an Apple rep told
    me to take it home, set it up and give a go. If not happy after 2 weeks
    return it for a full refund. So, why not? Nothing to lose but some time
    and setting it up would be fun.

    So, less a week into it the Air is not going back to Apple. We leave for Colorado tomorrow and it is going with us. The Dell will stay here until
    I put it on eBay.

    The Air is a VERY impressive piece of technology. It's at least as fast
    as the Dell i9 XPS it replaced. It runs all day on a charge, the Dell's
    aging battery about 3 hours at best. The Dell runs hot even with dual
    fans. The Air has no fan.

    Then there is storage space requirements. My Dell has a 2 tb SSD. Never
    needed all that but the upgrade was cheap. Only 420 gb was used. The Air
    has a 512 gb SSD. That was bit of a worry. I moved about 20 gb of stale
    data on the Dell files to an external drive and everything else over to
    the Air. All in, only 262 gb, just over 50%, is used on the Air SSD.
    That is a lot of OS slop that went away. The Apple migration program was
    not used. I used the external HD to move data and did fresh app
    installs. Took a few hours.

    The Air works great with my Dell 4k external monitor, BT Logitech
    keyboard and mouse, HP printers and 2 external hard drives. I did have
    to buy a SD card dongle to move my GoPro YouTube channel videos onto the
    Mac. Also purchased a travel charger. I still need two RC aircraft radio
    apps that are Windows-only but have a basement Windows 11 laptop that
    will work for that.

    It's also very nice to have many of my iOS apps now on the laptop too.
    Other than Quicken my core Windows apps - Office, Edge browser, Roboform
    and VideoPad - all run just like Windows.

    The only OS transition issue for me is just how different application
    windows management is on MacOS. Then too there is Quicken. The MacOS
    version interface is totally different from Windows. Just as capable,
    but the interface and workflow takes some effort to get used to. In
    fact, while MacOS version is missing some useful interface features it
    has a few other functional features missing in the Windows version.

    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.
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  • From Alan@nuh-uh@nope.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Feb 19 10:06:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-02-19 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.


    <snipping all the bullshit where Liarboy tells us what he's been denying
    is true for decades>


    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    And yet still able to be an asshole about it!
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  • From David B.@David@hotmail.co.uk to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Thu Feb 19 20:12:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 19/02/2026 17:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.

    Having used an iPhone and iPad OS for several years has made MacOS an
    easy transition. I have to admit I wish I had done this sooner. Several
    CSMA Mac fans "encouraged" me to do so. But years of Windows laptops
    made it hard to give up all that experience and learning. In the past
    there were a few other reasons too, but those have vanished in time.

    Then there was the experience of trying a M1 MacBook Pro in late 2021.
    It needed to run Parallels and Windows for a stats program that is Windows-only. Needed a faster computer to analyze a huge dataset that is
    far beyond what Excel can handle. Set that all up and 2 weeks later the MacBook failed to boot. I returned it to Apple and bought the Dell I
    have today. Swore I'd never do that again.

    Why now you ask? This week I took the wife's iPhone 14 to the Apple
    Store for battery replacement. It hit 79% at 3 years of otherwise
    excellent service. While there I looked at the Air and an Apple rep told
    me to take it home, set it up and give a go. If not happy after 2 weeks return it for a full refund. So, why not? Nothing to lose but some time
    and setting it up would be fun.

    So, less a week into it the Air is not going back to Apple. We leave for Colorado tomorrow and it is going with us. The Dell will stay here until
    I put it on eBay.

    The Air is a VERY impressive piece of technology. It's at least as fast
    as the Dell i9 XPS it replaced. It runs all day on a charge, the Dell's aging battery about 3 hours at best. The Dell runs hot even with dual
    fans. The Air has no fan.

    Then there is storage space requirements. My Dell has a 2 tb SSD. Never needed all that but the upgrade was cheap. Only 420 gb was used. The Air
    has a 512 gb SSD. That was bit of a worry. I moved about 20 gb of stale
    data on the Dell files to an external drive and everything else over to
    the Air. All in, only 262 gb, just over 50%, is used on the Air SSD.
    That is a lot of OS slop that went away. The Apple migration program was
    not used. I used the external HD to move data and did fresh app
    installs. Took a few hours.

    The Air works great with my Dell 4k external monitor, BT Logitech
    keyboard and mouse, HP printers and 2 external hard drives. I did have
    to buy a SD card dongle to move my GoPro YouTube channel videos onto the Mac. Also purchased a travel charger. I still need two RC aircraft radio apps that are Windows-only but have a basement Windows 11 laptop that
    will work for that.

    It's also very nice to have many of my iOS apps now on the laptop too.
    Other than Quicken my core Windows apps - Office, Edge browser, Roboform
    and VideoPad - all run just like Windows.

    The only OS transition issue for me is just how different application windows management is on MacOS. Then too there is Quicken. The MacOS
    version interface is totally different from Windows. Just as capable,
    but the interface and workflow takes some effort to get used to. In
    fact, while MacOS version is missing some useful interface features it
    has a few other functional features missing in the Windows version.

    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    *WELCOME* to our club! Efya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWIR3I4Bxg
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
    Shared with ACW!
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  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Feb 19 15:18:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2/19/26 1:06 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2026-02-19 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.


    <snipping all the bullshit where Liarboy tells us what he's been denying
    is true for decades>


    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    And yet still able to be an asshole about it!

    Uh, people can, and do, change their minds when circumstances change.
    That was explained in my post, asshole.

    If you look back through CSMA on Google Groups and here you will see
    that I have been leaning towards Apple products for some time now. I
    have owned Apple phones and tablets for almost 9 years now. Of course, I
    still use Office 365 and Google apps too. Not native Apple apps. The
    video editor is VideoPad, not Final Cut Pro. My external monitor is not
    Apple. It's a very nice 4K Dell for 20% of the cost of cheapest Apple
    display. My TV sets are mostly LG all on Roku, not Apple TV. We use
    Google Home, not Apple's version. I do have Air Tags though.

    I'm a Macaholic, not an irrational Appleaholic! I buy what does the job
    for me at costs I deem reasonable, not by blind brand loyalty. YMMV. And almost certainly does.

    And don't come back with Linux.
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@OFeem1987@teleworm.us to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Thu Feb 19 19:46:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 19/02/2026 17:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.

    Having used an iPhone and iPad OS for several years has made MacOS an
    easy transition. I have to admit I wish I had done this sooner. Several
    CSMA Mac fans "encouraged" me to do so. But years of Windows laptops
    made it hard to give up all that experience and learning. In the past
    there were a few other reasons too, but those have vanished in time.

    Then there was the experience of trying a M1 MacBook Pro in late 2021.
    It needed to run Parallels and Windows for a stats program that is
    Windows-only. Needed a faster computer to analyze a huge dataset that is
    far beyond what Excel can handle. Set that all up and 2 weeks later the
    MacBook failed to boot. I returned it to Apple and bought the Dell I
    have today. Swore I'd never do that again.

    Why now you ask? This week I took the wife's iPhone 14 to the Apple
    Store for battery replacement. It hit 79% at 3 years of otherwise
    excellent service. While there I looked at the Air and an Apple rep told
    me to take it home, set it up and give a go. If not happy after 2 weeks
    return it for a full refund. So, why not? Nothing to lose but some time
    and setting it up would be fun.

    So, less a week into it the Air is not going back to Apple. We leave for
    Colorado tomorrow and it is going with us. The Dell will stay here until
    I put it on eBay.

    The Air is a VERY impressive piece of technology. It's at least as fast
    as the Dell i9 XPS it replaced. It runs all day on a charge, the Dell's
    aging battery about 3 hours at best. The Dell runs hot even with dual
    fans. The Air has no fan.

    Then there is storage space requirements. My Dell has a 2 tb SSD. Never
    needed all that but the upgrade was cheap. Only 420 gb was used. The Air
    has a 512 gb SSD. That was bit of a worry. I moved about 20 gb of stale
    data on the Dell files to an external drive and everything else over to
    the Air. All in, only 262 gb, just over 50%, is used on the Air SSD.
    That is a lot of OS slop that went away. The Apple migration program was
    not used. I used the external HD to move data and did fresh app
    installs. Took a few hours.

    The Air works great with my Dell 4k external monitor, BT Logitech
    keyboard and mouse, HP printers and 2 external hard drives. I did have
    to buy a SD card dongle to move my GoPro YouTube channel videos onto the
    Mac. Also purchased a travel charger. I still need two RC aircraft radio
    apps that are Windows-only but have a basement Windows 11 laptop that
    will work for that.

    It's also very nice to have many of my iOS apps now on the laptop too.
    Other than Quicken my core Windows apps - Office, Edge browser, Roboform
    and VideoPad - all run just like Windows.

    The only OS transition issue for me is just how different application
    windows management is on MacOS. Then too there is Quicken. The MacOS
    version interface is totally different from Windows. Just as capable,
    but the interface and workflow takes some effort to get used to. In
    fact, while MacOS version is missing some useful interface features it
    has a few other functional features missing in the Windows version.

    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    *WELCOME* to our club! Efya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWIR3I4Bxg

    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.
    --
    Fourth Law of Revision:
    It is usually impractical to worry beforehand about
    interferences -- if you have none, someone will make one for you.
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  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Thu Feb 19 20:34:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2/19/26 7:46 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 19/02/2026 17:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.

    Having used an iPhone and iPad OS for several years has made MacOS an
    easy transition. I have to admit I wish I had done this sooner. Several
    CSMA Mac fans "encouraged" me to do so. But years of Windows laptops
    made it hard to give up all that experience and learning. In the past
    there were a few other reasons too, but those have vanished in time.

    Then there was the experience of trying a M1 MacBook Pro in late 2021.
    It needed to run Parallels and Windows for a stats program that is
    Windows-only. Needed a faster computer to analyze a huge dataset that is >>> far beyond what Excel can handle. Set that all up and 2 weeks later the
    MacBook failed to boot. I returned it to Apple and bought the Dell I
    have today. Swore I'd never do that again.

    Why now you ask? This week I took the wife's iPhone 14 to the Apple
    Store for battery replacement. It hit 79% at 3 years of otherwise
    excellent service. While there I looked at the Air and an Apple rep told >>> me to take it home, set it up and give a go. If not happy after 2 weeks
    return it for a full refund. So, why not? Nothing to lose but some time
    and setting it up would be fun.

    So, less a week into it the Air is not going back to Apple. We leave for >>> Colorado tomorrow and it is going with us. The Dell will stay here until >>> I put it on eBay.

    The Air is a VERY impressive piece of technology. It's at least as fast
    as the Dell i9 XPS it replaced. It runs all day on a charge, the Dell's
    aging battery about 3 hours at best. The Dell runs hot even with dual
    fans. The Air has no fan.

    Then there is storage space requirements. My Dell has a 2 tb SSD. Never
    needed all that but the upgrade was cheap. Only 420 gb was used. The Air >>> has a 512 gb SSD. That was bit of a worry. I moved about 20 gb of stale
    data on the Dell files to an external drive and everything else over to
    the Air. All in, only 262 gb, just over 50%, is used on the Air SSD.
    That is a lot of OS slop that went away. The Apple migration program was >>> not used. I used the external HD to move data and did fresh app
    installs. Took a few hours.

    The Air works great with my Dell 4k external monitor, BT Logitech
    keyboard and mouse, HP printers and 2 external hard drives. I did have
    to buy a SD card dongle to move my GoPro YouTube channel videos onto the >>> Mac. Also purchased a travel charger. I still need two RC aircraft radio >>> apps that are Windows-only but have a basement Windows 11 laptop that
    will work for that.

    It's also very nice to have many of my iOS apps now on the laptop too.
    Other than Quicken my core Windows apps - Office, Edge browser, Roboform >>> and VideoPad - all run just like Windows.

    The only OS transition issue for me is just how different application
    windows management is on MacOS. Then too there is Quicken. The MacOS
    version interface is totally different from Windows. Just as capable,
    but the interface and workflow takes some effort to get used to. In
    fact, while MacOS version is missing some useful interface features it
    has a few other functional features missing in the Windows version.

    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    *WELCOME* to our club! Efya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWIR3I4Bxg

    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    To each his own! I'm not a programmer, I'm a tool user. Apple,
    Microsoft, HP and others supply me with easy to use tools. That floats
    my boat.
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  • From David B.@David@hotmail.co.uk to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Fri Feb 20 07:47:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 20/02/2026 00:46, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    [....]]
    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    Thanks for you input, Chris.

    I'm writing from my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura (the newest macOS
    it will natively run) from an external SSD. On the internal spinner is
    Linux Mint 22.3, effectively a dual boot situation.

    Alongside, I have an old 24inch iMac running Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon

    Rarely do I use Microsoft Windows, although I do have Windows XP on my
    old Dell desktop and Windows 10 on my old Toshiba laptop (dual boot with Ubuntu!)
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@OFeem1987@teleworm.us to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri Feb 20 08:34:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Tom Elam wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 2/19/26 7:46 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 19/02/2026 17:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    I bought a 14" MacBook Air this week.

    <snip>

    So there you have it Macaholics. I'm one of you now.

    *WELCOME* to our club! Efya

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWIR3I4Bxg

    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    To each his own! I'm not a programmer, I'm a tool user. Apple,
    Microsoft, HP and others supply me with easy to use tools.

    That's my point. Linux provides *me* with easy-to-use tools, such
    as LibreOffice, web browsers, OBS, Ardour, .... I am a tool user
    as well as a programmer (retired, but still writing code and
    documentation for my personal projects).

    That floats my boat.

    Oh lookee at what platforms OBS runs on:

    <https://obsproject.com/>

    OBS Studio

    Free and open source software for video recording and live
    streaming.

    Download and start streaming quickly and easily on Windows,
    Mac or Linux.

    Btw, I run Arch Linux on a Lenovo Flex 14" laptop with a
    touchscreen, Debian on a Trycoo mini PC (dual boot with the Win 11
    that came with it), and Ubuntu Studio on an ancient Asus "gamer"
    laptop.
    --
    You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity. --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@OFeem1987@teleworm.us to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Fri Feb 20 08:36:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 00:46, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    [....]]
    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    Thanks for you input, Chris.

    I'm writing from my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura (the newest macOS
    it will natively run) from an external SSD. On the internal spinner is
    Linux Mint 22.3, effectively a dual boot situation.

    Alongside, I have an old 24inch iMac running Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon

    Rarely do I use Microsoft Windows, although I do have Windows XP on my
    old Dell desktop and Windows 10 on my old Toshiba laptop (dual boot with Ubuntu!)

    Cool!
    --
    Life is a biochemical reaction to the stimulus of the surrounding
    environment in a stable ecosphere, while a bowl of cherries is a
    round container filled with little red fruits on sticks.
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  • From David B.@David@hotmail.co.uk to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Fri Feb 20 13:48:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 20/02/2026 13:36, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 00:46, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    [....]]
    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    Thanks for you input, Chris.

    I'm writing from my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura (the newest macOS
    it will natively run) from an external SSD. On the internal spinner is
    Linux Mint 22.3, effectively a dual boot situation.

    Alongside, I have an old 24inch iMac running Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon

    Rarely do I use Microsoft Windows, although I do have Windows XP on my
    old Dell desktop and Windows 10 on my old Toshiba laptop (dual boot with
    Ubuntu!)

    Cool!

    Thanks.

    I'm going to guess that you are still a young man! EfyA
    --
    Kind regards,
    David
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@OFeem1987@teleworm.us to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Fri Feb 20 12:04:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 13:36, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 00:46, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    [....]]
    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    Thanks for you input, Chris.

    I'm writing from my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura (the newest macOS >>> it will natively run) from an external SSD. On the internal spinner is
    Linux Mint 22.3, effectively a dual boot situation.

    Alongside, I have an old 24inch iMac running Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon

    Rarely do I use Microsoft Windows, although I do have Windows XP on my
    old Dell desktop and Windows 10 on my old Toshiba laptop (dual boot with >>> Ubuntu!)

    Cool!

    Thanks.

    I'm going to guess that you are still a young man! EfyA

    Depends. I'm 68.666 right now.
    --
    Vitamin C deficiency is apauling.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Tom Elam@thomas.e.elam@gmail.com to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.computer.workshop on Sat Feb 21 08:17:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2/20/26 11:04 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 13:36, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    David B. wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On 20/02/2026 00:46, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    [....]]
    I'm still stuck on Linux, and quite happy. Working with MIDI, c++,
    clang++, latex, the usual browsers, the Fluxbox window manager,
    the front ends to MPD, SSH, urxvt, zathura, latexmk, ....

    I don't begrudge the users of other systems... to each his own,
    whatever floats your boat.

    Thanks for you input, Chris.

    I'm writing from my 27 inch iMac running macOS Ventura (the newest macOS >>>> it will natively run) from an external SSD. On the internal spinner is >>>> Linux Mint 22.3, effectively a dual boot situation.

    Alongside, I have an old 24inch iMac running Linux Mint 22.3 Cinnamon

    Rarely do I use Microsoft Windows, although I do have Windows XP on my >>>> old Dell desktop and Windows 10 on my old Toshiba laptop (dual boot with >>>> Ubuntu!)

    Cool!

    Thanks.

    I'm going to guess that you are still a young man! EfyA

    Depends. I'm 68.666 right now.


    lol

    As of 2/21/26 I'm 79.70431211 and that makes you pretty young to me.

    Well actually slightly older. Born at about 0430 and it's now 0916, both EST --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2