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Based on my years of Android phone ownership the vast majority of these
phones never had a chance to update. The manufacturer offered maybe one
or none updates.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/technology/over-a-billion-android-phones-are-now-exposed-to-hack-attacks-and-other-risks-google-warns-article-13817157.html
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ThatrCOs just about one yearrCOs worth of Android sales.
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On 2/9/2026 4:57 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

ThatrCOs just about one yearrCOs worth of Android sales.

With about 4 billion phones in use if 1 billion/year sales that is an
average 4 year turnover

About 1.5 billion iPhones are in use. About 250 million were sold in
2025. That is a 6 year turnover. Apple phone life is 1.5x Android.

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.
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On 2026-02-09 16:33, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

And?

It's getting needed updates, right?

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On 2/9/2026 7:33 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

That 6 year old iPAd is running iOS 18 released in 2024. So the OS is
only 2 years old, not 8. You apparently did not know that Apple has
changed the iOS numbering system.

I'll be able to keep that device secure for a few more years to come.
The billion Android devices are shut off from feature and security updates.


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On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:24:16 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/9/2026 7:33 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

That 6 year old iPAd is running iOS 18 released in 2024.

Wow, thatrCOs a lot of version numbers. Did Apple really come up with at
least 17 major new features to add since the original Ipad, all of
which would work on your old hardware?
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On 2026-02-09 21:34, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:24:16 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/9/2026 7:33 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

That 6 year old iPAd is running iOS 18 released in 2024.

Wow, thatrCOs a lot of version numbers. Did Apple really come up with at least 17 major new features to add since the original Ipad, all of
which would work on your old hardware?

You utter simpleton.

Apple simply changed their numbering scheme.
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On 2/10/2026 12:34 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:24:16 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/9/2026 7:33 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

That 6 year old iPAd is running iOS 18 released in 2024.

Wow, thatrCOs a lot of version numbers. Did Apple really come up with at least 17 major new features to add since the original Ipad, all of
which would work on your old hardware?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

You can be the judge of what constitutes a major feature. For me the
updates have been meaningful but not overwhelmingly so. Part of that is
that features are often added between new version releases.

FYI Apple shifted their iOS numbering scheme after iOS 18 from
sequential starting from first version to yearly. iOS 26 came out in
late 2025 and numbered for expected replacement in 2026.


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On 2/10/2026 3:27 AM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-09 21:34, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 21:24:16 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/9/2026 7:33 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:05:19 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

Why? Apple supports it's phones longer than Android.

Yeah, somebody was crowing the other day about getting updates for
their 6-year-old Apple device ...running an 8-year-old OS.

That 6 year old iPAd is running iOS 18 released in 2024.

Wow, thatrCOs a lot of version numbers. Did Apple really come up with at
least 17 major new features to add since the original Ipad, all of
which would work on your old hardware?

You utter simpleton.

Apple simply changed their numbering scheme.

He was referring to the 18 new versions before iOS 26, not the numbering
shift after iOS 18. As for that he ignores the fact that Android version enhancements often are not backward compatible with older devices. I saw
that in spades when I received the odd new Android version on a phone or tablet. Apple OS releases are much more consistent on compatibility than Android. Until iPad OS 26 the wife's iPad Gen 7 was fully compatible
with v.18. Even now the only missing feature we miss is resizable apps.

To its detriment Windows has been the champ at backward compatibility -
to the extent that items like Control Panel lag badly behind in updates.
As you have pointed out on occasion.
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 08:02:35 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

To its detriment Windows has been the champ at backward
compatibility ...

Microsoft do like to foster that impression. But if they were really
any good at it, Windows updates wouldnrCOt be the painful ordeal that
they have become these days.
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On 2/10/2026 7:24 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 08:02:35 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

To its detriment Windows has been the champ at backward
compatibility ...

Microsoft do like to foster that impression. But if they were really
any good at it, Windows updates wouldnrCOt be the painful ordeal that
they have become these days.

Thus detriment
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 21:23:51 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/10/2026 7:24 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 08:02:35 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

To its detriment Windows has been the champ at backward
compatibility ...

Microsoft do like to foster that impression. But if they were
really any good at it, Windows updates wouldnrCOt be the painful
ordeal that they have become these days.

Thus detriment

The point being that the backward compatibility is a myth, else
updates would be a no-brainer.
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An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>
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On 2026-02-11 20:18, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

So the defining characteristic of a "real computer" is the ability to
run bash scripts?
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On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting security updates?
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On 2/10/2026 9:54 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 21:23:51 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/10/2026 7:24 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 08:02:35 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

To its detriment Windows has been the champ at backward
compatibility ...

Microsoft do like to foster that impression. But if they were
really any good at it, Windows updates wouldnrCOt be the painful
ordeal that they have become these days.

Thus detriment

The point being that the backward compatibility is a myth, else
updates would be a no-brainer.

LOL. Running W11 25H2 on a 9 year old HP laptop via FLYBY11. All works
just fine. Updates are current. Microsoft can easily stop that, chooses
to give it a pass.

I am running a password keeper that goes back to XP. Another old HP also running W11 25H2 runs a program showing Windows 95 style dialog windows.
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:35:40 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/10/2026 9:54 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

The point being that the backward compatibility is a myth, else
updates would be a no-brainer.

LOL. Running W11 25H2 on a 9 year old HP laptop via FLYBY11. All
works just fine. Updates are current.

Meanwhile, expert advice is starting to come round to the idea that
you shouldnrCOt be too quick to apply the newest Windows updates,
because of the pain they can cause <https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-february-patch-tuesday-update/>.
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting security updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider. <https://lineageos.org/>
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On 2026-02-12 11:01, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:35:40 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/10/2026 9:54 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

The point being that the backward compatibility is a myth, else
updates would be a no-brainer.

LOL. Running W11 25H2 on a 9 year old HP laptop via FLYBY11. All
works just fine. Updates are current.

Meanwhile, expert advice is starting to come round to the idea that
you shouldnrCOt be too quick to apply the newest Windows updates,
because of the pain they can cause <https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-february-patch-tuesday-update/>.

This is news to you?

No one should EVER be "to quick to apply" updates...

...to pretty much ANY system they use!

I prefer Macs and iOS devices, sure...

...but I understand completely that, if I have a system that is working...

...that is unless someone has positively identified a glaring security issue...

...the best option is to leave it alone.
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On 2026-02-12 11:02, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting security
updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider. <https://lineageos.org/>

You're hilarious.
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At Wed, 11 Feb 2026 21:09:45 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-11 20:18, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

So the defining characteristic of a "real computer" is the ability to
run bash scripts?

Someone can open a terminal on MacOS and type "bash".

(The default shell is zsh now, though if your shell was "bash"
before, the shell in /etc/passwd doesn't get changed -- you just
get a notice when you log in that zsh is the standard(!). )
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On 2026-02-12 16:58, vallor wrote:

At Wed, 11 Feb 2026 21:09:45 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-11 20:18, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

So the defining characteristic of a "real computer" is the ability to
run bash scripts?

Someone can open a terminal on MacOS and type "bash".

Yes. I'm fully aware of that.

(The default shell is zsh now, though if your shell was "bash"
before, the shell in /etc/passwd doesn't get changed -- you just
get a notice when you log in that zsh is the standard(!). )

This too.

My POINT is that "real computers" are not now, nor have they ever been predicated on their ability to run a shell of any kind.
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At Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:43:57 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-12 11:02, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting
security updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider. <https://lineageos.org/>

You're hilarious.

That is not an argument.

Also, Lawrence is correct in that we are not locked down to one
provider. However, I'm not what the distinction is between
a "real computer" and an "unreal computer".
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At Fri, 13 Feb 2026 02:37:16 +0000, vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> wrote:

At Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:43:57 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-12 11:02, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting
security updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider. <https://lineageos.org/>

You're hilarious.

That is not an argument.

Also, Lawrence is correct in that we are not locked down to one
provider. However, I'm not what the distinction is between
a "real computer" and an "unreal computer".

That should have been "not SURE what..."

I shall now wear the grammatical post-it note of shame...
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On 2026-02-12 18:37, vallor wrote:

At Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:43:57 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-12 11:02, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting
security updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider.
<https://lineageos.org/>

You're hilarious.

That is not an argument.

Also, Lawrence is correct in that we are not locked down to one
provider. However, I'm not what the distinction is between
a "real computer" and an "unreal computer".

Apparently...

(At least according to Lawrence)

...it's the ability run a bash script!
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On 2/12/2026 2:02 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

An Android device is a real computer, unlike the alternatives that
Apple and Microsoft have tried to offer:

<https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-bash-scripts-how-to-learn-on-android-device/>

What good does that do if your "real" computer is not getting security
updates?

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider. <https://lineageos.org/>

And how many Android users have any clue about this option? And what
assurance do you have that these options are as secure as Google's version?

My observation is that outside Apple, Microsoft and Google it's the Wild
West out there. The only serious virus I have experienced was from an ill-advised download from a sketchy site. Got my Dell Win XP desktop
rooted. That was in 2002 and not tried that again.
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On 2/15/26 15:46, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 12:44:35 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/12/2026 2:02 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:38:58 -0500, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/11/2026 11:18 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Being a real computer, we are not locked down to one provider.
<https://lineageos.org/>

And how many Android users have any clue about this option?

Current total: 3.7 million rCLactiverCY installs

So... just under 4% then. /s


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On 2/15/26 3:46 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You sound like one of those people from the old Soviet Union, totally unaccustomed to free-market competition, seeing a Western-style
supermarket for the first time and being totally baffled by the need
for so much choice. rCLWouldnrCOt it be more efficient to just have one of each product?rCY you say. And we all know the answer to that, donrCOt we?

I'm a person who long ago downloaded a program from a non-oem site and
had a Dell desktop running a fully patched XP infected with malware that nobody I talked to could fully removed. How do you know your devices are
not being infected with subtle but nefarious malware?
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On 18/02/2026 03:22, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/15/26 3:46 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You sound like one of those people from the old Soviet Union, totally
unaccustomed to free-market competition, seeing a Western-style
supermarket for the first time and being totally baffled by the need
for so much choice. rCLWouldnrCOt it be more efficient to just have one of >> each product?rCY you say. And we all know the answer to that, donrCOt we?

I'm a person who long ago downloaded a program from a non-oem site and
had a Dell desktop running a fully patched XP infected with malware that nobody I talked to could fully removed. How do you know your devices are
not being infected with subtle but nefarious malware?

EXCELLENT question!

Did you simply destroy the hard drive or, like me, destroy the whole
computer on advice from our High-Tech Crime Unit?

They were concerned about the firmware being infected!

ACW group added!
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At Tue, 17 Feb 2026 22:22:55 -0500, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 2/15/26 3:46 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You sound like one of those people from the old Soviet Union,
totally unaccustomed to free-market competition, seeing a
Western-style supermarket for the first time and being totally
baffled by the need for so much choice. rCLWouldnrCOt it be more
efficient to just have one of each product?rCY you say. And we all
know the answer to that, donrCOt we?

I'm a person who long ago downloaded a program from a non-oem site
and had a Dell desktop running a fully patched XP infected with
malware that nobody I talked to could fully removed. How do you know
your devices are not being infected with subtle but nefarious
malware?

"Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you."
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vallor wrote:

At Tue, 17 Feb 2026 22:22:55 -0500, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 2/15/26 3:46 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You sound like one of those people from the old Soviet Union,
totally unaccustomed to free-market competition, seeing a
Western-style supermarket for the first time and being totally
baffled by the need for so much choice. rCLWouldnrCOt it be more
efficient to just have one of each product?rCY you say. And we all
know the answer to that, donrCOt we?

I'm a person who long ago downloaded a program from a non-oem site
and had a Dell desktop running a fully patched XP infected with
malware that nobody I talked to could fully removed. How do you know
your devices are not being infected with subtle but nefarious
malware?

"Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you."

yes it does
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