On 2/2/26 4:45 PM, Alan wrote:
Objectively, Apple isn't interested in competition, that's purely a
facade.-a They need Microsoft to be what it is, so they can be the
quirky alternative for quirky alternative people.-a As such, their
hardware and software both languish under mediocre development.
You clearly don't know what "objectively" means.
Oh sure Apple boy, you tell me what objectivity is, I'll be all ears for that, heh.
Apple produces products and those products compete with other personal
digital devices in the market place.
Apple's hardware is clearly leading the way in certain areas...
...and you've never been able to articulate a single issue with their
software.
To the extent they haven't gone out of business yet, you have a point.
We should want to punish Apple any way possible.
Why? What have they done to deserve (and I can absolutely
believe you'd use this word): "punishment"?
Well, let's think about it from a perspective we'd at least
agree is worth considering - Apple through their Mac product
line does serve a real need in computing.
That's an unsupported assertion.
Apple's Mac product line serves the real needs of its users so
well, they almost never EVER want to use anything else ever
again.
Yeah so ask yourself why, you yourself have talked up
repeatedly buying Macs, you probably have the slightest
insight.
Again: not really English.
Again:-a you are admitting not really being able to read English.
No. I'm stating that you wrote a sentence that makes no sense.
Let's remove the somewhat parenthetical clause from the middle of the
sentence, and look at what you wrote:
"Yeah so ask yourself why you probably have the slightest insight.
In what world does that sentence make sense?
Uh dude, that is simple mental retardation. I didn't write that.
You're literally gluing two completely separate phrases into one. Were
you serious about that? If so, you need to see if you can pass a
cognitive test like Trump.
"Real need in computing" here means that there is more than a
niche market for macOS and software designed for it.
Circular argument.
macOS and software designed for it encompass the vast majority of
things that people want to do with personal computers.
OK but why are they choosing the Mac?
That's a very good question.
How about: because they've found it works well for them.
Is it just what was placed
in front of them?-a Usually, it's a very intentional choice, in fact,
and I'm recognizing that but since I'm expecting Apple to up its
game in response,
Why would Apple "up its game" in response to people being ferociously
loyal to their products.
I'm serious:
I've used, sold, supported both Macs and PCs for more than 30 years.
And in all that time, I've encountered less half a dozen people who
tried a Mac and wanted to go back to a PC.
My current work is computer and network support, and while I TECHNICALLY
have clients with Macs for whom I provide support, the truth is that
they almost never need assistance.
It's good to know that their needs are met.
There are people who simply get better results using
Apple's equipment for a PC, their software to run it.
Not even an understandable sentence...
You're not trying very hard, then.-a But that's OK, I know your
only goal here is to compete with me.
You think far too highly of yourself.
It's funny you'd say that though given how you seem to perceive
yourself, but OK.
Learn proper English punctuation.
Get a brain.
As such, the price gouging on hardware sales does trouble
me, as a regulator.
You're NOT a "regulator".
I could make Apple repay its customers for overcharging them
over a long period of time.-a But I know better than to overuse
authority.
Your megalomania is showing again.
Your ignorance might be, if you really think I'm a megalomaniac.
LOL!
Laugh all you want, but you will see it in certain terms soon.
If they're continuing to make the base unit have 256 GB
storage, but the next step up is $200 extra, at what point
is that not just transparent gouging?
Because offering people products they freely purchase isn't
gouging of any kind.
It is gouging because if they want a non-joke of a computer they
have to pay so much extra that they're doing more than their
fair share to support the product line.-a It's ridiculous.
Circular.
It'll never be circular when half of a 512 GB SSD is $200.-a You have
not addressed that basic fact.
It doesn't need address.
Apple offers products for sale.
People freely buy them.
Then answer me why my $190 mini PC has a 512 GB SSD *along with the rest
of its parts*, how are they so much better able than Apple to get parts?
What a load of bullshit, dude, you just work for Apple, so you're
getting your slice of the pie. It's obvious.
Why is 256 still an option?
Because it still works fine for many users.
And it's reasonable to cost $200 to double it?
If people are willing to pay it? Yes, absolutely.
Spoken like an Apple employee.
Spoken like someone who understands free market capitalism.
Uh huh except for the little fact that this favors those with more
means, they can pay for the privilege of having pretty Apple hardware in their house to keep up with the Joneses, how nice for them. If you're
OK with supporting such a racket, it's your money I guess.
If all their revenue for the Mac line is hardware sales, it's
weird how they don't focus more on having competitive hardware,
but that's Apple,
Their hardware sells well.
Mac sales figures continue to trend upward, so you proceed from a
false premise.
Shitty OEM PCs sell well, too.
OK? So?
How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot, the question is whether this really makes sense if consumers knew what they were
actually paying for.
I hate Apple with a severe passion, almost to
the point of obsession.
Oh, well past that point.
I do other things with my time than debate computers on Usenet.
Yet you reply to almost every post of mine instantly.
It varies, in this particular case I hadn't even been on the computer
enough in the last couple days to catch up on Usenet, but that is
unusual for me, sure.
It has led me to even exaggerate including personal attacks on
Mac users, but I try to also actually address the real matters
at work, and Apple is guilty of a lot.
Apple is "guilty" of making products that people want to purchase
and stick with in the face of less expensive alternatives...
...and you have to pretend that must mean they are "stoned" or in
some other way, less than your "brilliant" self...
...rather than admit that they are rational, reasonable people
making rational, reasonable choices.
$200 for half of a 512 GB SSD.
$200 to upgrade from 256GB to 512GB.
Yes.
So...
...what?
You wanna know "so what"?! Are you kidding me? The wholesale cost of
the SSD doesn't match with this "upgrade" price, not even remotely, it's
why 512 GB should be the base model, but no, Apple is years behind the
times on this. When I built my computer that died prematurely last
year, in 2021, I had a 1 TB NVMe WD Blue drive, for a little over $100
as a part. Is Apple's gear, relative to it being five years later, so
much better, or has the value of money inflated so much, or what the
HELL gives? Why is it $200 when you're already paying for a 256 GB
drive you no longer get?! How can you defend these clowns, seriously?
On 2026-02-04, Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/2/26 4:45 PM, Alan wrote:
Objectively, Apple isn't interested in competition, that's purely a
facade.-a They need Microsoft to be what it is, so they can be the
quirky alternative for quirky alternative people.-a As such, their
hardware and software both languish under mediocre development.
You clearly don't know what "objectively" means.
Oh sure Apple boy, you tell me what objectivity is, I'll be all ears for
that, heh.
Apple produces products and those products compete with other personal
digital devices in the market place.
Apple's hardware is clearly leading the way in certain areas...
...and you've never been able to articulate a single issue with their
software.
To the extent they haven't gone out of business yet, you have a point.
We should want to punish Apple any way possible.
Why? What have they done to deserve (and I can absolutely
believe you'd use this word): "punishment"?
Well, let's think about it from a perspective we'd at least
agree is worth considering - Apple through their Mac product
line does serve a real need in computing.
That's an unsupported assertion.
Apple's Mac product line serves the real needs of its users so
well, they almost never EVER want to use anything else ever
again.
Yeah so ask yourself why, you yourself have talked up
repeatedly buying Macs, you probably have the slightest
insight.
Again: not really English.
Again:-a you are admitting not really being able to read English.
No. I'm stating that you wrote a sentence that makes no sense.
Let's remove the somewhat parenthetical clause from the middle of the
sentence, and look at what you wrote:
"Yeah so ask yourself why you probably have the slightest insight.
In what world does that sentence make sense?
Uh dude, that is simple mental retardation. I didn't write that.
You're literally gluing two completely separate phrases into one. Were
you serious about that? If so, you need to see if you can pass a
cognitive test like Trump.
"Real need in computing" here means that there is more than a
niche market for macOS and software designed for it.
Circular argument.
macOS and software designed for it encompass the vast majority of
things that people want to do with personal computers.
OK but why are they choosing the Mac?
That's a very good question.
How about: because they've found it works well for them.
Is it just what was placed
in front of them?-a Usually, it's a very intentional choice, in fact,
and I'm recognizing that but since I'm expecting Apple to up its
game in response,
Why would Apple "up its game" in response to people being ferociously
loyal to their products.
I'm serious:
I've used, sold, supported both Macs and PCs for more than 30 years.
And in all that time, I've encountered less half a dozen people who
tried a Mac and wanted to go back to a PC.
My current work is computer and network support, and while I TECHNICALLY >>> have clients with Macs for whom I provide support, the truth is that
they almost never need assistance.
It's good to know that their needs are met.
There are people who simply get better results using
Apple's equipment for a PC, their software to run it.
Not even an understandable sentence...
You're not trying very hard, then.-a But that's OK, I know your
only goal here is to compete with me.
You think far too highly of yourself.
It's funny you'd say that though given how you seem to perceive
yourself, but OK.
Learn proper English punctuation.
Get a brain.
As such, the price gouging on hardware sales does trouble
me, as a regulator.
You're NOT a "regulator".
I could make Apple repay its customers for overcharging them
over a long period of time.-a But I know better than to overuse
authority.
Your megalomania is showing again.
Your ignorance might be, if you really think I'm a megalomaniac.
LOL!
Laugh all you want, but you will see it in certain terms soon.
If they're continuing to make the base unit have 256 GB
storage, but the next step up is $200 extra, at what point
is that not just transparent gouging?
Because offering people products they freely purchase isn't
gouging of any kind.
It is gouging because if they want a non-joke of a computer they
have to pay so much extra that they're doing more than their
fair share to support the product line.-a It's ridiculous.
Circular.
It'll never be circular when half of a 512 GB SSD is $200.-a You have
not addressed that basic fact.
It doesn't need address.
Apple offers products for sale.
People freely buy them.
Then answer me why my $190 mini PC has a 512 GB SSD *along with the rest
of its parts*, how are they so much better able than Apple to get parts?
What a load of bullshit, dude, you just work for Apple, so you're
getting your slice of the pie. It's obvious.
Why is 256 still an option?
Because it still works fine for many users.
And it's reasonable to cost $200 to double it?
If people are willing to pay it? Yes, absolutely.
Spoken like an Apple employee.
Spoken like someone who understands free market capitalism.
Uh huh except for the little fact that this favors those with more
means, they can pay for the privilege of having pretty Apple hardware in
their house to keep up with the Joneses, how nice for them. If you're
OK with supporting such a racket, it's your money I guess.
If all their revenue for the Mac line is hardware sales, it's
weird how they don't focus more on having competitive hardware,
but that's Apple,
Their hardware sells well.
Mac sales figures continue to trend upward, so you proceed from a
false premise.
Shitty OEM PCs sell well, too.
OK? So?
How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot, the question is
whether this really makes sense if consumers knew what they were
actually paying for.
I hate Apple with a severe passion, almost to
the point of obsession.
Oh, well past that point.
I do other things with my time than debate computers on Usenet.
Yet you reply to almost every post of mine instantly.
It varies, in this particular case I hadn't even been on the computer
enough in the last couple days to catch up on Usenet, but that is
unusual for me, sure.
It has led me to even exaggerate including personal attacks on
Mac users, but I try to also actually address the real matters
at work, and Apple is guilty of a lot.
Apple is "guilty" of making products that people want to purchase
and stick with in the face of less expensive alternatives...
...and you have to pretend that must mean they are "stoned" or in
some other way, less than your "brilliant" self...
...rather than admit that they are rational, reasonable people
making rational, reasonable choices.
$200 for half of a 512 GB SSD.
$200 to upgrade from 256GB to 512GB.
Yes.
So...
...what?
You wanna know "so what"?! Are you kidding me? The wholesale cost of
the SSD doesn't match with this "upgrade" price, not even remotely, it's
why 512 GB should be the base model, but no, Apple is years behind the
times on this. When I built my computer that died prematurely last
year, in 2021, I had a 1 TB NVMe WD Blue drive, for a little over $100
as a part. Is Apple's gear, relative to it being five years later, so
much better, or has the value of money inflated so much, or what the
HELL gives? Why is it $200 when you're already paying for a 256 GB
drive you no longer get?! How can you defend these clowns, seriously?
Don't waste your time with the Alan troll. He is 100% certifiably insane.
I posted a single reply to his thread regarding using Spotminders rather than Apple Airtags and he went bonkers. It was like I insulted his mamma or something.
Then he started the usual focusing on minutia like high horse does. So in one post
I incorrectly called the Spotminders credit card sized tracker a "tag" and currently
Spotminders recently did release tag type devices, which once again are superior
to Apple's Airtag.
Big deal.
It was obvious what I was referring to in the thread, like size, hide in a purse, wallet
passport, etc. A tag isn't a good choice for that.
Alan is the ultimate Apple zealot and like those with TDS he simply cannot, and
will not accept anything the competition or other side has to offer.
Actually I'm surprised he hasn't tried to argue that the Apple Airtag comes in
a better box :)
That's the level he argues at.
And the most interesting part is that I am in no way an Apple hater.
I use iPhones, Apple watches and have for years.
They guy is simply a religious wack job.
Place him in the Bozo Bin like I have.
Don't waste your time.
Don't waste your time with the Alan troll. He is 100% certifiably insane.
I posted a single reply to his thread regarding using Spotminders rather than Apple Airtags and he went bonkers. It was like I insulted his mamma or something.
Then he started the usual focusing on minutia like high horse does. So in one post
I incorrectly called the Spotminders credit card sized tracker a "tag" and currently
Spotminders recently did release tag type devices, which once again are superior
to Apple's Airtag.
Big deal.
It was obvious what I was referring to in the thread, like size, hide in a purse, wallet
passport, etc. A tag isn't a good choice for that.
Alan is the ultimate Apple zealot and like those with TDS he simply cannot, and
will not accept anything the competition or other side has to offer.
Actually I'm surprised he hasn't tried to argue that the Apple Airtag comes in
a better box :)
That's the level he argues at.
And the most interesting part is that I am in no way an Apple hater.
I use iPhones, Apple watches and have for years.
They guy is simply a religious wack job.
Place him in the Bozo Bin like I have.
Don't waste your time.
On 2026-01-30, Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
He does seem a bit snit like. Not just with technique. I had been
wondering what might be up with this person. You're the second person I
know of that refers to him as Anal. I think I understand why after
spending a little time interacting with him. I'm inclined to agree with
the extreme Apple fanboy label.
And notice snit smelled blood and is all over these threads trolling
away! So predictable!
One difference between Alan, hh and snit is that Alan and hh are
intelligent while snit is a retard.
Apologies to the mentally challenged but you own the snit troll like it
or not.
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