"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these- tweaks/>
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
On 2025-12-29 15:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-
tweaks/>
Here's a better idea: use the latest Pop_OS! and your desktop will not
only look better than MacOS, but you'll have the wealth of applications Ubuntu is known for.
On 12/29/2025 3:27 PM, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
No one cares. BTW you spelled EBCDIC wrong.
On 2025-12-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2025-12-29 15:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these- >>> tweaks/>
Here's a better idea: use the latest Pop_OS! and your desktop will not
only look better than MacOS, but you'll have the wealth of applications
Ubuntu is known for.
Yep.
A very nice looking and functional distribution.
It includes the major applications by default without too much overlap.
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote <XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I would not want this.
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31-aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I >> would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
On 12/29/25 6:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I
would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
No one wants to hear your whining, useless troll.
In article <UYD4R.786489$hd86.446067@fx13.iad>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
On 12/29/25 6:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31-aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I
would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
No one wants to hear your whining, useless troll.
Stuff a zucchini in it butt boy.
On 12/29/25 6:26 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <UYD4R.786489$hd86.446067@fx13.iad>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
On 12/29/25 6:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I
would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
No one wants to hear your whining, useless troll.
Stuff a zucchini in it butt boy.
The rectum is a sex organ, dummy.
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates
Linux, I would not want this.
Would make me miss the macOS functionality ...
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31-aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates Linux, I >> would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
I disagree as some people are interested in cloning their Windows or Mac desktops.
I'm not one of them, but I support their choices.
On 29 Dec 2025 22:12:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates
Linux, I would not want this.
Linux is all about choice.
Would make me miss the macOS functionality ...
Interesting that there is no WINE-equivalent for macOS functionality
... I guess there just arenrCOt enough users to care ...
On 29 Dec 2025 22:12:13 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates
Linux, I would not want this.
Linux is all about choice.
Would make me miss the macOS functionality ...
Interesting that there is no WINE-equivalent for macOS functionality
... I guess there just arenrCOt enough users to care ...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 4:41:55rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10iv3k3$1dnpl$4@dont-email.me>:
Interesting that there is no WINE-equivalent for macOS
functionality ... I guess there just arenrCOt enough users to care
...
I am talking the features of the system as a whole.
On 30 Dec 2025 03:14:41 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 29, 2025 at 4:41:55rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10iv3k3$1dnpl$4@dont-email.me>:
Interesting that there is no WINE-equivalent for macOS
functionality ... I guess there just arenrCOt enough users to care
...
I am talking the features of the system as a whole.
So yourCOve mentioned before. Realistically, how many Apple users even
know or care about such things?
LetrCOs face it: Apple users buy Apple because of the image, not because
they actually understand the technology.
On Dec 29, 2025 at 8:50:22rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <10ivi5u$1hg4r$1@dont-email.me>:
On 30 Dec 2025 03:14:41 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 29, 2025 at 4:41:55rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<10iv3k3$1dnpl$4@dont-email.me>:
Interesting that there is no WINE-equivalent for macOS
functionality ... I guess there just arenrCOt enough users to care
...
I am talking the features of the system as a whole.
So yourCOve mentioned before. Realistically, how many Apple users
even know or care about such things?
I would say a fair number care of at least some of them... but even if
nobody else cares, I do.
When I used to work with businesses ---------
On 12/29/25 6:26 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <UYD4R.786489$hd86.446067@fx13.iad>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
On 12/29/25 6:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
In article <6952fcbd$0$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
On Dec 29, 2025 at 1:27:31-aPM MST, "ebcidic" wrote
<XnsB3C49D40980859@62.164.182.26>:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
As someone who prefers macOS for many things, but also appreciates
Linux, I
would not want this.
Get a clue snit.
Nobody cares what you prefer, think or say.
Why don't you just go away?
No one wants to hear your whining, useless troll.
Stuff a zucchini in it butt boy.
The rectum is a sex organ, dummy.
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these- tweaks/>
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these- tweaks/>
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-
tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
On 2025-12-30 13:59, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these- >>> tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
To be fair, MacOS's range of software is probably larger than Linux's.
However, even the most trivial of applications either comes with a priceI see...
or some sort of adware. That's not a problem on the Linux side. Updates
are also much faster on Linux and installing an application takes mere seconds.
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
On 2025-12-30 12:18, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-30 13:59, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-
these-
tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
To be fair, MacOS's range of software is probably larger than Linux's.
Much larger,
However, even the most trivial of applications either comes with aI see...
price or some sort of adware. That's not a problem on the Linux side.
Updates are also much faster on Linux and installing an application
takes mere seconds.
So you expect people to develop software for free?
Also, I call bullshit on "much faster" updates and installations.
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a Linux system.
On 2025-12-30 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-30 12:18, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-30 13:59, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-
these-
tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
To be fair, MacOS's range of software is probably larger than Linux's.
Much larger,
However, even the most trivial of applications either comes with aI see...
price or some sort of adware. That's not a problem on the Linux side.
Updates are also much faster on Linux and installing an application
takes mere seconds.
So you expect people to develop software for free?
No, but software to do things such as clean the storage should not cost
as much as it does if it is a remedy to a flaw in the operating system.
Also, I call bullshit on "much faster" updates and installations.
Really? How long does it take to install MacOS? Pop_OS! on this computer took me about ten minutes, including the prompts. As for a major
upgrade, I can spare the twenty minutes or so. It's probably not much
longer than that. MacOS takes an hour or so for either.
Give an example.Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
However, even the most trivial of applications either comes with aI see...
price or some sort of adware. That's not a problem on the Linux
side. Updates are also much faster on Linux and installing an
application takes mere seconds.
So you expect people to develop software for free?
No, but software to do things such as clean the storage should not
cost as much as it does if it is a remedy to a flaw in the operating
system.
So you've reduced a general argument to one specific example?
Really? How long does it take to install MacOS? Pop_OS! on this
computer took me about ten minutes, including the prompts. As for a
major upgrade, I can spare the twenty minutes or so. It's probably not
much longer than that. MacOS takes an hour or so for either.
We weren't discussing OS installations:
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Give an example.Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On Dec 30, 2025 at 1:59:34rC>PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
Exactly.
AGAIN, no one buys a computer to run the OS. Well, Linux geeks do that, but they are a TINY minority.
The vast majority of people do not want - or need - to become "computer hobbyists" (AKA geeks) to use a PC. So thinking that "This Linux distro-of-the-day looks just like MacOS" means that Mac users are going to flock to the Linux distro-of-the-day is so absurd.
You can put a fiberglass body kit on a VW Beetle to make it "look just like" a
Rolls Royce. But underneath it is still a VW Beetle. So don't try to sell it as a Rolls Royce.
On Dec 30, 2025 at 1:59:34rC>PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-29 12:27, ebcidic wrote:
"I made Linux Mint look like macOS with these tweaks"
<https://www.howtogeek.com/i-made-linux-mint-look-like-macos-with-these-tweaks/>
I don't want an OS that "looks like macOS".
I want an OS that WORKS like macOS...
...and has the huge range of software that macOS has.
Oh, wait!
I've already got one!
Exactly.
AGAIN, no one buys a computer to run the OS. Well, Linux geeks do that, but they are a TINY minority.
The vast majority of people do not want - or need - to become "computer hobbyists" (AKA geeks) to use a PC. So thinking that "This Linux distro-of-the-day looks just like MacOS" means that Mac users are going to flock to the Linux distro-of-the-day is so absurd.
You can put a fiberglass body kit on a VW Beetle to make it "look just like" a
Rolls Royce. But underneath it is still a VW Beetle. So don't try to sell it as a Rolls Royce.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease >> Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease >>> Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example."
Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well. Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
On 2025-12-31 08:15, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease >>>> Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example."
Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also >> pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well.
Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
So you're impressed that a process that you ran only a couple of days
ago ran that quickly?
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security
InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
Tyrone wrote:
You can put a fiberglass body kit on a VW Beetle to make it "look just like" a
Rolls Royce. But underneath it is still a VW Beetle. So don't try to sell it
as a Rolls Royce.
Tim Apple approves this message :-D
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:15, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example."
Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also >>> pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well. >>> Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
So you're impressed that a process that you ran only a couple of days
ago ran that quickly?
Of course not.
I'm impressed at how easy it is to update my entire system at once or
if I choose to only update certain packages I can do that as well.
Choice is good.No argument with that.
On 2025-12-31 11:10, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security
InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
It doesn't even matter. If he uses his computer daily, the update
process takes a minute at most. If he hasn't touched that computer for a while, it might take two or three. With the Mac, if there are updates,
you might be waiting a long while for them to download and then another while for them to install. Fortunately, they tend not to break as often
as Windows ones do.
On 2025-12-31 11:04, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
Which I assume requires you to use a web browser to venture onto a
specific web site. Then, depending on your connection speed, it can take seconds or minutes. Still, you have to factor in the process of going to
a web site whereas in Linux, you either go to a terminal and type in a simple command or open up the bundled "store" they might have.
Is it, though?That took 4 seconds.
Not yet installed.
Mounted the DMG.
Still not installed.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
Installed.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
We all believe you, but it's still more cumbersome than on Linux.
On 2025-12-31 08:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:10, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security
InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
It doesn't even matter. If he uses his computer daily, the update
process takes a minute at most. If he hasn't touched that computer for
a while, it might take two or three. With the Mac, if there are
updates, you might be waiting a long while for them to download and
then another while for them to install. Fortunately, they tend not to
break as often as Windows ones do.
Ummmmmmm...no.
You can set up macOS to "Download new updates when available", but only install them when YOU choose. And you can choose whether to
automatically do security updates separately from other updates.
So you won't be waiting for the download at all.
On 2025-12-31 11:53, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:36, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:10, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security
InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
It doesn't even matter. If he uses his computer daily, the update
process takes a minute at most. If he hasn't touched that computer for
a while, it might take two or three. With the Mac, if there are
updates, you might be waiting a long while for them to download and
then another while for them to install. Fortunately, they tend not to
break as often as Windows ones do.
Ummmmmmm...no.
What a shocker! Alan denies that Apple updates take longer than Linux
ones! I didn't see that one coming.
You can set up macOS to "Download new updates when available", but only
install them when YOU choose. And you can choose whether to
automatically do security updates separately from other updates.
So you won't be waiting for the download at all.
This is something you can do in a variety of Linux distributions as
well. While Linux will prompt you to restart on some updates, there is usually no impact on the speed of the reboot because these updates are immediately applied. With Apple, larger updates will delay the restart
so that those updates can be applied before you get into your system.
Anyone who believes me to be lying is free to consider how iOS behaves whenever there is an update.
On 2025-12-31 08:34, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:04, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
Which I assume requires you to use a web browser to venture onto a
specific web site. Then, depending on your connection speed, it can
take seconds or minutes. Still, you have to factor in the process of
going to a web site whereas in Linux, you either go to a terminal and
type in a simple command or open up the bundled "store" they might have.
Do it. Tell me how long the whole thing takes.
Is it, though?That took 4 seconds.
Not yet installed.
Mounted the DMG.
Still not installed.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
Installed.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
We all believe you, but it's still more cumbersome than on Linux.
How do you know what command to type into the terminal to install OBS Studio?
Did you, maybe... ...visit a website?
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the command necessary?
:-)
On 2025-12-31 08:35, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:15, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of >>>>>>> the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few >>>>>>> minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example."
Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also >>>> pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well. >>>> Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
So you're impressed that a process that you ran only a couple of days
ago ran that quickly?
Of course not.
I'm impressed at how easy it is to update my entire system at once or
And you think checking for updates on macOS is harder?
--if I choose to only update certain packages I can do that as well.
If you know which ones you can safely ignore.
Choice is good.No argument with that.
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security
InRelease Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
Liinux is for geeks and dorks.
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:35, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:15, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of >>>>>>>> the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time. >>>>>>>>
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few >>>>>>>> minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example." >>>>> Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also
pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well. >>>>> Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
So you're impressed that a process that you ran only a couple of days
ago ran that quickly?
Of course not.
I'm impressed at how easy it is to update my entire system at once or
And you think checking for updates on macOS is harder?
Those are your words, not mine.
On 2025-12-31 11:14, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:35, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:15, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-31, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of >>>>>>>>> the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time. >>>>>>>>>
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few >>>>>>>>> minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
As I said above "> My packages are up to date but here's an example." >>>>>> Updates if needed would be every package on the system although I can also
pick and choose if I want. Or I can use the GUI software updater as well.
Choice is good.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
A couple of days ago.
So you're impressed that a process that you ran only a couple of days >>>>> ago ran that quickly?
Of course not.
I'm impressed at how easy it is to update my entire system at once or
And you think checking for updates on macOS is harder?
Those are your words, not mine.
The comparison was implied by "I'm impressed at how easy it is to update
my entire system at once"
You understand English, right?
Jose' Francisco de Paula Juan Soto wrote:
Liinux is for geeks and dorks.
Trump uses Windows 11 and so should you.
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
<snip>
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease >> Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
When was the last time you ran the updater?
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 07:56, pothead wrote:
<snip>
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
That is correct.
It's so easy even *I* can manage it.
My packages are up to date but here's an example.
pothead@xxxxx:~$ sudo apt update
Hit:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security trixie-security InRelease >>> Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [140 kB]
Hit:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates InRelease
Fetched 140 kB in 0s (688 kB/s)
All packages are up to date.
pothead@xxxxx:~$
And what WERE those updates?
He can look at the latest log file in /var/log/apt to find out.
I like to use the "aptitude" ncurses-based front end to apt.
Type 'u' to update the database, 'U' to apply the updates, 'g' to
see the list of packages to be update, and 'g' again to complete
the update.
There are other front-ends available.
On Arch Linux, the command is "pacman -Syu". The files to be
updated are listed. Hit Enter to complete the update.
The files installed are shown at the bottom of
/var/log/pacman.log.
When was the last time you ran the updater?
You can set up automatic updates if you want.
Thank you for your interest.
He can look at the latest log file in /var/log/apt to find out.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a
Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysayingYou gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
your "seconds" claim.
On 2025-12-31 11:55, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:34, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:04, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
Which I assume requires you to use a web browser to venture onto a
specific web site. Then, depending on your connection speed, it can
take seconds or minutes. Still, you have to factor in the process of
going to a web site whereas in Linux, you either go to a terminal and
type in a simple command or open up the bundled "store" they might have.
Do it. Tell me how long the whole thing takes.
It downloaded from Flathub and took about five seconds. I opened it up
right after, and it looks like it works as expected.
Is it, though?That took 4 seconds.
Not yet installed.
Mounted the DMG.
Still not installed.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
Installed.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
We all believe you, but it's still more cumbersome than on Linux.
How do you know what command to type into the terminal to install OBS
Studio?
I went into the Cosmic Store here on the side of Pop_OS!. OBS Studio is right there. I click on Install, and that's about it.
Did you, maybe... ...visit a website?
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysaying
your "seconds" claim.
You gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
And I DO doubt you.
So post a video.
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysayingYou gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
your "seconds" claim.
And I DO doubt you.
So post a video.
On 2025-12-31 10:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:55, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 08:34, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2025-12-31 11:04, Alan wrote:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
Which I assume requires you to use a web browser to venture onto a
specific web site. Then, depending on your connection speed, it can
take seconds or minutes. Still, you have to factor in the process of
going to a web site whereas in Linux, you either go to a terminal
and type in a simple command or open up the bundled "store" they
might have.
Do it. Tell me how long the whole thing takes.
It downloaded from Flathub and took about five seconds. I opened it up
right after, and it looks like it works as expected.
Is it, though?That took 4 seconds.
Not yet installed.
Mounted the DMG.
Still not installed.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
Installed.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
We all believe you, but it's still more cumbersome than on Linux.
How do you know what command to type into the terminal to install OBS
Studio?
I went into the Cosmic Store here on the side of Pop_OS!. OBS Studio
is right there. I click on Install, and that's about it.
Did you, maybe... ...visit a website?
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
I see.
So it's easy and fast to install apps in Linux...
...once you've customized it with additional tools?
On 2026-01-01 16:41, Alan wrote:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
Chris is probably referring to using a package manager, finding the
package you want, putting a checkmark and pressing Apply at the end.
With a software store like the Cosmic Store I mentioned, you simply
press Install rather than put a checkmark, but it's just as simple. In
every way, it is simpler than what you zealots have with MacOS.
Was I asking YOU to post a video?But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysayingYou gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
your "seconds" claim.
And I DO doubt you.
So post a video.
This is where Snit Michael Glasser Prescott Parasite and Computer Guy
would have been useful. He enjoyed making videos for us all in a vain attempt to prove his points. The rest of us don't care whether you goal- post-changing zealots believe us or not.
On 2026-01-01 15:24, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-01-01 16:41, Alan wrote:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
Chris is probably referring to using a package manager, finding the
package you want, putting a checkmark and pressing Apply at the end.
With a software store like the Cosmic Store I mentioned, you simply
press Install rather than put a checkmark, but it's just as simple. In
every way, it is simpler than what you zealots have with MacOS.
Sounds exactly like the macOS App Store...
Was I asking YOU to post a video?
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysayingYou gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
your "seconds" claim.
And I DO doubt you.
So post a video.
This is where Snit Michael Glasser Prescott Parasite and Computer Guy
would have been useful. He enjoyed making videos for us all in a vain
attempt to prove his points. The rest of us don't care whether you
goal- post-changing zealots believe us or not.
Oh, no! It was someone else entirely!
On 2026-01-01 15:24, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-01-01 16:41, Alan wrote:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically >>>>>> installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
Chris is probably referring to using a package manager, finding the package you want, putting a checkmark and pressing Apply at the end.
With a software store like the Cosmic Store I mentioned, you simply
press Install rather than put a checkmark, but it's just as simple. In every way, it is simpler than what you zealots have with MacOS.
Sounds exactly like the macOS App Store...
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysaying
your "seconds" claim.
You gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
And I DO doubt you.
So post a video.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
In aptitude, you search for the name (e.g. "/obs", like you'd do
in vi), then click "+".
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysaying
your "seconds" claim.
You gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
And I DO doubt you.
Toughshitsky.
So post a video.
No.
On 2025-12-31 10:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
I see.
So it's easy and fast to install apps in Linux...
...once you've customized it with additional tools?
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-30 13:19, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
"installing an application takes mere seconds."
Data is data, it doesn't magically come down the pipe faster to a >>>>>>>> Linux system.
And yet they do.
The reason is that a Linux application usually finds that all of
the dependencies it needs are *already* installed. Saves time.
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
In aptitude, you search for the name (e.g. "/obs", like you'd do
in vi), then click "+".
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysaying
your "seconds" claim.
You gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
And I DO doubt you.
Toughshitsky.
So post a video.
No.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 10:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
I see.
So it's easy and fast to install apps in Linux...
Yes.
...once you've customized it with additional tools?
No.
All distros have a package manager. Each package manager has one
or more easy front-ends. Each distro has a large list of packages.
For some less popular packages, you might need to add another
repository to the list of places to get packages.
For Arch Linux, there is a user-repository for packages not in the
default install.
And in some cases (such as apps/libraries on GitHub), you might
need to build from source code.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2026-01-01 04:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 05:33, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
Give an example.
Show me a Linux app the equivalent of a macOS app that magically
installs in "seconds".
On a Debian system, updating/installing 300 packages takes a few
minutes.
As for a specific package: OBS Studio
Really bad example.
I just downloaded OBS Studio for an Apple Silicon Mac.
That took 4 seconds.
Mounted the DMG.
1-2 seconds
Copied the application to the Applications folder
Another 2 or 3 seconds.
You were saying?
(If you doubt me, I'll make a screen video of it).
Nah, relatively laborious compared to check-marking the app and
hitting "go".
Where is this check-mark, exactly?
In aptitude, you search for the name (e.g. "/obs", like you'd do
in vi), then click "+".
But you seem to think my promoting a Debian process was naysaying
your "seconds" claim.
You gave a specific example of OBS Studio.
And I DO doubt you.
Toughshitsky.
So post a video.
No.
On 1/2/26 8:32 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
<snip>
And I DO doubt you.
Toughshitsky.
So post a video.
No.
Alan believes that he's on moral high ground as a Mac dipshit, making
him antisocial and just plain desperate to defend his choice of cult.
Joel W. Crump wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 1/2/26 8:32 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
And I DO doubt you.
Toughshitsky.
So post a video.
No.
Alan believes that he's on moral high ground as a Mac dipshit, making
him antisocial and just plain desperate to defend his choice of cult.
The thing is, I don't really care about Mac and whether some Mac
features are "better" than some Linux features, or vice versa.
We each seem to be happy with our choice.
To each his own.
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 10:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
I see.
So it's easy and fast to install apps in Linux...
Yes.
...once you've customized it with additional tools?
No.
All distros have a package manager. Each package manager has one or more
easy front-ends. Each distro has a large list of packages.
For some less popular packages, you might need to add another repository
to the list of places to get packages.
For Arch Linux, there is a user-repository for packages not in the
default install.
And in some cases (such as apps/libraries on GitHub), you might need to
build from source code.
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 08:45:51 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:
On 2025-12-31 10:15, CrudeSausage wrote:
<snip>
Nope, I didn't need to. I'll leave that to you Apple zealots.
<https://obsproject.com/kb/linux-installation>
Or do Linux users have some special ESP power to simply know the
command necessary?
:-)
See above.
I see.
So it's easy and fast to install apps in Linux...
Yes.
...once you've customized it with additional tools?
No.
All distros have a package manager. Each package manager has one or more
easy front-ends. Each distro has a large list of packages.
For some less popular packages, you might need to add another repository
to the list of places to get packages.
For Arch Linux, there is a user-repository for packages not in the
default install.
And in some cases (such as apps/libraries on GitHub), you might need to
build from source code.
I went the EndeavourOS route which includes yay in the default install. I haven't dug deeply but it appears to handle the AUR builds nicely.
I wanted to reinstall EndeavourOS when I decided to come back to Linux
this time around, but the ISO didn't work at all both times I wrote them
to USB. The previous ISO worked fine, but the latest one didn't even
when using Balena Etcher. I took that as a preview of things to come and
just surrendered to Linux Mint until I found out that Pop_OS! was now bundling Cosmic by default.
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