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On 2025-08-08 09:44, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/6/2025 12:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-06 08:34, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/5/2025 2:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-05 08:35, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/4/2025 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/27/25 12:35, Tom Elam tried to brag:
...
I'm flying up to Luddington Michigan on Wednesday to stay with >>>>>>>> some friends in their backwoods cabin. Please please feel free >>>>>>>> to "stalk" me by pulling up N5168V on FlightAware. You can even >>>>>>>> track us real time. We plan to depart about 10 am EDT and be
airborne for about 2 hours.
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N5168V
Didn't bother with this earlier, but for Tommy's return, looks
like he's encountering delay (TBD if its wildfire smoke or
destination weather):
Departing for the ~300 mile journey at 11:40am...figure 11AM if >>>>>>> not having to prep the Cessna, and Google Maps says 4:40 driving >>>>>>> time, so ETA to arrive back in Carmel IN would have been 15:40hrs >>>>>>> (+stops). Figure a generous hour break for lunch, ETA to arrive >>>>>>> home is roughly right about now (16:45).
But what does flight aware show for his actual?
Stuck on the ground in Kalamazoo (was scheduled 03:16PM EDT):
Takeoff 04:43PM EDT (but slipping by the minute)
Similarly,
Landing:-a was Scheduled 4:38m ... now 6:05pm (& slipping).
-hh
O
LOL! You just made the case for flying yourself somewhere. Thanks! >>>>>>
Yesterday we had a nice breakfast at the cabin and stopped at a
local market to shop for Michigan local delicacies on the way to
the airport. Among others, we bought some of the last sweet cherry >>>>>> crop. We were not "delayed".
I fueled up and filed IFR (smoke from Canadian fires limited
flight visibility) to Kalamazoo. At cruise altitude there was no
visible horizon, but not an issue. Got to log some IFR time, a
plus. Due to the smoke I flew the GPS 17 approach to AZO.
We stopped there for a few hours to tour the Air Zoo museum
(https:// www.airzoo.org/) that is on the airport. We parked on
the ramp at the museum (http://tiny.cc/hesq001) Very enjoyable
place, try it some time. This stop was planned in July before we
even left home. No "delay" here either.
FYI the "scheduled" time in this case is what I filed. That is
only an estimate. You can pick up an IFR clearance 30 minutes
before and up to 2 hours after the filed time.
I had filed IFR to Eagle Creek but the smoke was not a factor at
EYE and did the visual to runway 3. Added some fuel, put the
airplane away, and bought dinner on the way home. We arrived on time. >>>>>>
Total time yesterday on the Hobbs was 3.1 hours, and that includes >>>>>> taxi and ground time at Kalamazoo and waiting in line to takeoff. >>>>>> Going up it was 2.5 hours on the Hobbs, and that was with some
headwinds.
We had a very enjoyable smooth-air trip both ways, albeit with
slight headwinds.
The days up there were incredible. This cabin borders Forest
Service land. We hiked, we bird-watched, we drove historic
Michigan route 22, toured Sleeping Bear, shopped small local
stores, had some incredible meals at local eateries, paddled
kayaks on a lake next to the cabin, and attended the graduation
concert at Interlochen Center for the Arts (https://
www.interlochen.org/) summer camp.
Mapquest shows 309 miles our home to Ludington, 4 hours 49
minutes. With stops and traffic call it 6 hours. Total time door- >>>>>> to-door in the airplane was about 4 hours. EYE-LDM distance is 285 >>>>>> miles, not very different.
Return via Kalamazoo is 362 miles 5 hours 30 minutes. Flying time >>>>>> was a little over 3 hours.
Did we save a lot of time. Not really. Is driving as enjoyable.
Not for us. We did not see another aircraft unless you count when >>>>>> we were on the ground or via ADSB on the GPS.
I just looked at airline flights. One option found for next week
is IND- TVC (Traverse City) via Delta at only 3 scheduled hours
and $326 per person. By the time you add time from home to IND,
airport waiting, and driving TVC to the cabin, it would be more
like 6-7 hours total. The airplane rental was $702, so about the
same as this Delta option. If you look at other options they are a >>>>>> bit less expensive but take more time. BTW I have never lost a bag >>>>>> either.
You should not make assumptions about other people's plans.
Why not?
You do it literally all the time.
So you not racing this year was your plan? Interesting
See?
You're doing it again!
How do you speak to people like this in person without getting punched?
Never been punched in my life.
Yeah, but we know you lie, so...
On 8/8/2025 10:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-08 09:44, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/6/2025 12:21 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-06 08:34, Tom Elam wrote:Never been punched in my life.
On 8/5/2025 2:54 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2025-08-05 08:35, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/4/2025 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 7/27/25 12:35, Tom Elam tried to brag:
...
I'm flying up to Luddington Michigan on Wednesday to stay with >>>>>>>>> some friends in their backwoods cabin. Please please feel free >>>>>>>>> to "stalk" me by pulling up N5168V on FlightAware. You can even >>>>>>>>> track us real time. We plan to depart about 10 am EDT and be >>>>>>>>> airborne for about 2 hours.
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N5168V
Didn't bother with this earlier, but for Tommy's return, looks >>>>>>>> like he's encountering delay (TBD if its wildfire smoke or
destination weather):
Departing for the ~300 mile journey at 11:40am...figure 11AM if >>>>>>>> not having to prep the Cessna, and Google Maps says 4:40 driving >>>>>>>> time, so ETA to arrive back in Carmel IN would have been
15:40hrs (+stops). Figure a generous hour break for lunch, ETA >>>>>>>> to arrive home is roughly right about now (16:45).
But what does flight aware show for his actual?
Stuck on the ground in Kalamazoo (was scheduled 03:16PM EDT):
Takeoff 04:43PM EDT (but slipping by the minute)
Similarly,
Landing:-a was Scheduled 4:38m ... now 6:05pm (& slipping).
-hh
O
LOL! You just made the case for flying yourself somewhere. Thanks! >>>>>>>
Yesterday we had a nice breakfast at the cabin and stopped at a >>>>>>> local market to shop for Michigan local delicacies on the way to >>>>>>> the airport. Among others, we bought some of the last sweet
cherry crop. We were not "delayed".
I fueled up and filed IFR (smoke from Canadian fires limited
flight visibility) to Kalamazoo. At cruise altitude there was no >>>>>>> visible horizon, but not an issue. Got to log some IFR time, a
plus. Due to the smoke I flew the GPS 17 approach to AZO.
We stopped there for a few hours to tour the Air Zoo museum
(https:// www.airzoo.org/) that is on the airport. We parked on >>>>>>> the ramp at the museum (http://tiny.cc/hesq001) Very enjoyable
place, try it some time. This stop was planned in July before we >>>>>>> even left home. No "delay" here either.
FYI the "scheduled" time in this case is what I filed. That is
only an estimate. You can pick up an IFR clearance 30 minutes
before and up to 2 hours after the filed time.
I had filed IFR to Eagle Creek but the smoke was not a factor at >>>>>>> EYE and did the visual to runway 3. Added some fuel, put the
airplane away, and bought dinner on the way home. We arrived on >>>>>>> time.
Total time yesterday on the Hobbs was 3.1 hours, and that
includes taxi and ground time at Kalamazoo and waiting in line to >>>>>>> takeoff. Going up it was 2.5 hours on the Hobbs, and that was
with some headwinds.
We had a very enjoyable smooth-air trip both ways, albeit with
slight headwinds.
The days up there were incredible. This cabin borders Forest
Service land. We hiked, we bird-watched, we drove historic
Michigan route 22, toured Sleeping Bear, shopped small local
stores, had some incredible meals at local eateries, paddled
kayaks on a lake next to the cabin, and attended the graduation >>>>>>> concert at Interlochen Center for the Arts (https://
www.interlochen.org/) summer camp.
Mapquest shows 309 miles our home to Ludington, 4 hours 49
minutes. With stops and traffic call it 6 hours. Total time door- >>>>>>> to-door in the airplane was about 4 hours. EYE-LDM distance is
285 miles, not very different.
Return via Kalamazoo is 362 miles 5 hours 30 minutes. Flying time >>>>>>> was a little over 3 hours.
Did we save a lot of time. Not really. Is driving as enjoyable. >>>>>>> Not for us. We did not see another aircraft unless you count when >>>>>>> we were on the ground or via ADSB on the GPS.
I just looked at airline flights. One option found for next week >>>>>>> is IND- TVC (Traverse City) via Delta at only 3 scheduled hours >>>>>>> and $326 per person. By the time you add time from home to IND, >>>>>>> airport waiting, and driving TVC to the cabin, it would be more >>>>>>> like 6-7 hours total. The airplane rental was $702, so about the >>>>>>> same as this Delta option. If you look at other options they are >>>>>>> a bit less expensive but take more time. BTW I have never lost a >>>>>>> bag either.
You should not make assumptions about other people's plans.
Why not?
You do it literally all the time.
So you not racing this year was your plan? Interesting
See?
You're doing it again!
How do you speak to people like this in person without getting punched? >>>
Yeah, but we know you lie, so...
So prove that someone ever hit me in anger.