• MicroSoft Perfects Dense 'Eternal' Storage on Silica Glass Plates

    From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Feb 20 02:54:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    The new system, called Silica, uses extremely short flashes
    of laser light to inscribe bits of information into a block
    of ordinary glass.

    . . .

    Well, it's not "ordinary" glass ... closer to a
    high-silica Pyrex.

    Anyway, looks like they can internally etch the glass
    in many layers using a laser. Data capacity should be
    very high.

    Of course the plates CAN be physically broken ... not
    sure they'd hold up so well for 10,000 years unless
    stored in a hardened box.

    Clay tablets, albeit low-density, DO last at least
    5,000 years if conditions are fair. There's a huge
    library of Sumerian texts on such tablets and not
    all have been decoded.

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  • From JJenssen@joemajen@arcor.de to comp.os.linux.misc on Fri Feb 20 11:27:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    Am 20.02.26 um 08:54 schrieb c186282:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    The new system, called Silica, uses extremely short flashes
    of laser light to inscribe bits of information into a block
    of ordinary glass.

    . . .

    -a Well, it's not "ordinary" glass ... closer to a
    -a high-silica Pyrex.

    -a Anyway, looks like they can internally etch the glass
    -a in many layers using a laser. Data capacity should be
    -a very high.

    -a Of course the plates CAN be physically broken ... not
    -a sure they'd hold up so well for 10,000 years unless
    -a stored in a hardened box.

    -a Clay tablets, albeit low-density, DO last at least
    -a 5,000 years if conditions are fair. There's a huge
    -a library of Sumerian texts on such tablets and not
    -a all have been decoded.


    Which group of insects then will have such an sophisticated microscope
    to read them??
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Feb 22 12:05:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc



    On 2/22/26 11:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Floppy ports = USB ports - 5.25 and 3.5 devices should be available and some
    of the 3.5 interfaces can be transfered to 8 inch drives. <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=8+inch+floppy+disk+drive&_sop=12>
    Not cheap.

    bliss

    And it has not been 10,000 years yet since all three of those sizes of
    "data storage media" were readily available.

    The problem will *all* these claims of "this chunk of glass/quartz/etc.
    will store your data for 10,000 years" has always been: "yes, but in 7
    years the market will have shifted and no one will be making
    reader/writer machines anymore".

    Having a palm-sized square of glass holding two million books (odd measurement there, but...) is not worth much if you can no longer find
    any working machines that will actually read any of the two million
    books off the palm-sized square of glass.

    The new system, called Silica, uses extremely short flashes
    of laser light to inscribe bits of information into a block
    of ordinary glass.

    Sounds similar to those laser etched artworks in glass where small
    bubbles are created in the right pattern to make a 3d image of
    something appear inside the glass/plastic block.


    Small drill kits. for example Dremel, were used to created 3D images inside plastic blocks. I don't know about the images in glass.
    This was promoted as a hobbyist pastime quite a while back.

    bliss
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Feb 22 20:38:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism
    --
    The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all
    private property.

    Karl Marx


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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 01:07:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 03:43:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 01:07:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately its
    boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM, I'm
    back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something that
    will burn a 2708.

    https://github.com/trevor-makes/avr-eeprom-programmer

    I built a prgrammer for the Osborne 1. It had a 8255 for the supposed Centronics printer port but being CP/M you could do all sorts of strange things with it. Obsorne officially supported using it as a GPIB port.

    Computers were a lot more fun when you could directly mess with the
    hardware. The 4 voltage (+5, -5, +12, +26) 2708 would require a little
    more work.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Sun Feb 22 23:46:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/22/26 14:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    I've LOOKED for 5.25" solutions ... aren't any, even
    on Amazon. 8" ... forget it. DID find some USB 3.5"
    units - and bought one.

    And it has not been 10,000 years yet since all three of those sizes of
    "data storage media" were readily available.

    Tech marches on - very FAST these days.

    Now Sumerian clay tablets DO still work however :-)

    The problem will *all* these claims of "this chunk of glass/quartz/etc.
    will store your data for 10,000 years" has always been: "yes, but in 7
    years the market will have shifted and no one will be making
    reader/writer machines anymore".

    Having a palm-sized square of glass holding two million books (odd measurement there, but...) is not worth much if you can no longer find
    any working machines that will actually read any of the two million
    books off the palm-sized square of glass.

    Typical prob. Same as all those zillion miles of
    magnetic data tapes. They DID look cool in the
    movies though ...

    The new system, called Silica, uses extremely short flashes
    of laser light to inscribe bits of information into a block
    of ordinary glass.

    Sounds similar to those laser etched artworks in glass where small
    bubbles are created in the right pattern to make a 3d image of
    something appear inside the glass/plastic block.

    Yes, it's a very similar tech. However it looks like
    the 'bubble' density is vastly higher and the 'glass'
    is somewhat superior.

    I don't see these things for wide usage. They may have
    some doomsday/archival value however. When the ufo
    people come around in 100,000 years to the crumbled
    remnants of human civ they will probably be able to
    decode the things.

    "The Global Database" is huge - but it also CHANGES
    very rapidly. At best you can grab some snapshots
    on such media, but the snapshots aren't the whole
    picture - miss the 'dynamic' factors.

    Hmmmm ... with modern fab methods, I wonder just
    HOW much data could be squeezed onto a 1" tape
    these days ?

    They DO still sell 1/2" tape units, and the caps
    ain't terrible. Alas they're SLOW.

    18000 GB per tape ... but the units cost nearly
    $5000 USD.

    https://www.amazon.com/StoreEver-LTO-9-Ultrium-45000-External/dp/B0BCNTVXQC/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=1345804636450590&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1Q8rtWpSrUtjRB97sQp97GlM75-lm0ro1D37luHYhSascsUyaC39admXB-LLemnGPRzqXzbbYYJFmXE8xX5uUmHkVIjAMRarRVbx7SUsR6A_cM1IkKxNQe4WLxe-VWFOWSGbl1GE6S-5ouXAMSn8qdTle0-bT0undDqhClwf4ERSEglJNERAWbQOqQK0kG4jj2ms9zrem4dKHpXB6u7avMY8ZhnStqyGEwq16lJUclo.xGBRVbzuA3GxiXLwsz801O1fCOZBYtoX98dQo7NJH3o&dib_tag=se&hvadid=84113053812423&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=73845&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=p&hvtargid=kwd-84113842478788%3Aloc-190&hydadcr=19053_13353474&keywords=backup+tape+drive&mcid=80dcecab6f953c728a3c804ab45f2034&msclkid=2a214560c15a17bfbee52cfb1a75b253&qid=1771821878&sr=8-1




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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 00:18:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/22/26 15:05, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 2/22/26 11:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026.-a And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    -a-a-a-aFloppy ports = USB ports --a 5.25 and 3.5 devices should be available and some
    of the 3.5 interfaces can be transfered to 8 inch drives. <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=8+inch+floppy+disk+drive&_sop=12>
    -a-a-a-aNot cheap.

    Recently found and bought a 3.5" USB floppy unit.
    Price wasn't bad.

    However CAN'T find anything similar for 5.25" disks
    anymore. If Amazon doesn't have it ....

    And 8" disks, FORGET IT !

    I do still have one creaky motherboard with a bad
    CPU fan with the plugs for 5.25" drives (AND one
    such drive) ... but it's kinda Under The Pile of
    70 years of electronics junk. If I had to read a
    particular 5.25 then I could - but it'd be a pain
    in the ass. 99.95% of such capable boards/units
    are surely shredded up for the gold contacts by now.
    Some poor dink in India is dipping them in a pot
    of mercury ......

    Need an Apple-II with floppy units ? Got one.
    ZX-81 ? VIC-20 ? Early Sanyo 8088 IBM compat
    PC ? Radio Shack 'micro-CoCo' ? Radio Shack
    'original laptop' (code by Bill Gates) ? H-11
    LSI-11 box ? All kinds of cool stuff in The Pile :-)

    Can't deal with it, can't part with it ... my
    poor unfortunate heirs get to deal :-)

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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 00:24:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/22/26 20:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    Good luck .....

    Tech is more perishable than raw fish
    on a summer day.

    Now there MIGHT be some small companies
    that COULD burn you new ROMs - but the
    fee would be very high. Now if you had
    some insider in a tech-heavy college
    computer lab, they probably HAVE all the
    needed stuff in a closet somewhere and
    would see it as an academic challenge ...
    as a fun/educational project.

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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 00:31:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/22/26 22:43, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 01:07:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately its
    boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM, I'm
    back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something that
    will burn a 2708.

    https://github.com/trevor-makes/avr-eeprom-programmer

    I built a prgrammer for the Osborne 1. It had a 8255 for the supposed Centronics printer port but being CP/M you could do all sorts of strange things with it. Obsorne officially supported using it as a GPIB port.

    Your Kung-Fu is better than mine ....

    Did some custom circuit boards, mostly for uController
    add-ons, but not Centronics ports and such.

    Hmm, how many even REMEMBER what a Centronics port was ?

    Computers were a lot more fun when you could directly mess with the
    hardware. The 4 voltage (+5, -5, +12, +26) 2708 would require a little
    more work.

    Um, yea, was never SURE why SO many +- voltages ...
    utter pain in the ass.

    5.1v for everything seems super-cool to me.

    LIKED Centronics ports ... with all those pins you
    could use 'em to get data to/from a lot of external
    devices. You could implement an 8-bit A/D resistor
    ladder ...

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  • From Nuno Silva@nunojsilva@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 10:08:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-22, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    On 2/22/26 11:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Floppy ports = USB ports - 5.25 and 3.5 devices should be
    available and some
    of the 3.5 interfaces can be transfered to 8 inch drives. <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=8+inch+floppy+disk+drive&_sop=12>
    Not cheap.

    bliss

    And it has not been 10,000 years yet since all three of those sizes of
    "data storage media" were readily available.

    The problem will *all* these claims of "this chunk of glass/quartz/etc.
    will store your data for 10,000 years" has always been: "yes, but in 7
    years the market will have shifted and no one will be making
    reader/writer machines anymore".

    Having a palm-sized square of glass holding two million books (odd
    measurement there, but...) is not worth much if you can no longer find
    any working machines that will actually read any of the two million
    books off the palm-sized square of glass.

    The new system, called Silica, uses extremely short flashes
    of laser light to inscribe bits of information into a block
    of ordinary glass.

    Sounds similar to those laser etched artworks in glass where small
    bubbles are created in the right pattern to make a 3d image of
    something appear inside the glass/plastic block.


    Small drill kits. for example Dremel, were used to created 3D images inside plastic blocks. I don't know about the images in glass.
    This was promoted as a hobbyist pastime quite a while back.

    bliss

    I've had motherboards with FDCs, but last time I tried to use a floppy
    drive, not such luck with recent Linux. Never managed to track down the
    issue (my posts from some years ago were probably in
    comp.os.linux.hardware), I might try again sometime with another machine
    that's not the main desktop. IIRC FreeDOS worked, an older linux (on
    knoppix? might have been 3.*?) worked, but a more recent linux on the
    installed system didn't allow writing to the floppy disk.


    It's possible that there was either a hardware issue on the motherboard
    or PSU that happened to be triggered by other factors once the system
    with the newer kernel was in use, even though it at first looked like
    some bug in the kernel.

    (That machine doesn't have a stellar record, apparently "AM3-compatible" doesn't mean exactly that for some manufacturers...)

    If I shop for computers in the near future, I'll probably try hard to
    retain RS-232 (besides other uses, this one's relevant for terminal
    usage), FDC, IDE and PCI, although that's probably going to be more and
    more difficult, and I may have to resort to other devices.

    (Although, to be fair, a possible solution for the lack of compatible
    RS-232 hardware flow control on linux would probably be a USB adapter
    that handles that itself.)
    --
    Nuno Silva
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 11:22:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 23/02/2026 01:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.


    Well no, these days you take a Rasberry PI 2030 zero and a bodge board
    and build a 2708 emulator.

    Or buy a prom burner for a 2708. They are available
    --
    I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you
    can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if
    you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed
    whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.

    Sir Roger Scruton

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 11:33:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 23/02/2026 05:24, c186282 wrote:
    On 2/22/26 20:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026.-a And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a >>>> reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted.-a Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    -a Good luck .....

    -a Tech is more perishable than raw fish
    -a on a summer day.

    -a Now there MIGHT be some small companies
    -a that COULD burn you new ROMs - but the
    -a fee would be very high.

    In the UK -u12...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143674610911

    Now if you had
    -a some insider in a tech-heavy college
    -a computer lab, they probably HAVE all the
    -a needed stuff in a closet somewhere and
    -a would see it as an academic challenge ...
    -a as a fun/educational project.


    What you need is the code.

    I think this may be it

    https://github.com/bhall66/IMSAI-8080

    ASM, LST and HEX fileds for the boot and basic ROMS.
    --
    Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
    But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 16:33:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-23, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    On 2/22/26 20:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a >>>> reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    Good luck .....

    Tech is more perishable than raw fish
    on a summer day.

    Now there MIGHT be some small companies
    that COULD burn you new ROMs - but the
    fee would be very high. Now if you had
    some insider in a tech-heavy college
    computer lab, they probably HAVE all the
    needed stuff in a closet somewhere and
    would see it as an academic challenge ...
    as a fun/educational project.

    I once found some notes about how to wire up a 2716
    to look like a 2708; it might be easier to find a
    2716 programmer (where "easier" is relative, of course).
    Mind you, those notes are probably filed away somewhere
    near a round tuit that I can't get either.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 16:33:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-23, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 23/02/2026 05:24, c186282 wrote:

    On 2/22/26 20:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in >>>>> 2026.-a And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a >>>>> reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted.-a Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    -a Good luck .....

    -a Tech is more perishable than raw fish
    -a on a summer day.

    -a Now there MIGHT be some small companies
    -a that COULD burn you new ROMs - but the
    -a fee would be very high.

    In the UK -u12...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143674610911

    Now if you had
    -a some insider in a tech-heavy college
    -a computer lab, they probably HAVE all the
    -a needed stuff in a closet somewhere and
    -a would see it as an academic challenge ...
    -a as a fun/educational project.


    What you need is the code.

    I think this may be it

    https://github.com/bhall66/IMSAI-8080

    ASM, LST and HEX fileds for the boot and basic ROMS.

    I'll file that away for whenever. It might not be
    exactly what I'm after; I need to reproduce the boot
    ROM that's in my Disk Jockey 2D floppy controller.
    (The first thing would be to try to find a listing
    of the contents of that ROM. I do know where most
    of my IMSAI documentation is...)
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 18:29:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 00:31:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Hmm, how many even REMEMBER what a Centronics port was ?

    And 25 or 9 pin RS-232 connectors for that matter? You probably can find 20-somethings that wouldn't believe laptops had CD drives.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 18:48:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 16:33:44 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I once found some notes about how to wire up a 2716 to look like a 2708;
    it might be easier to find a 2716 programmer (where "easier" is
    relative, of course).
    Mind you, those notes are probably filed away somewhere near a round
    tuit that I can't get either.

    At least you wouldn't need 12 and -5. I would imagine 2708 programmers
    would be very scarce. I don't think it would be too hard to fake. -5
    became A10 so you'd need to tie it low.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 18:50:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 23:46:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Yes, it's a very similar tech. However it looks like the 'bubble'
    density is vastly higher and the 'glass'
    is somewhat superior.

    Call it anything but bubble... Some of us remember bubble memory as the
    next big thing.
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 22:33:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 00:31:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Hmm, how many even REMEMBER what a Centronics port was ?

    And 25 or 9 pin RS-232 connectors for that matter?

    And of them, a vanishingly small percentage realized that
    the proper term for a 9-pin connecter is DE-9, not DB-9.
    (Hint: the second letter is the shell size.)

    You probably can find 20-somethings that wouldn't believe
    laptops had CD drives.

    Or floppies, for that matter.

    I had a laptop that had interchangeable drives. Want to read
    a CD? Plug in the CD drive. Want to read a floppy? Plug in
    the 5 1/4-inch drive.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 23:17:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:33:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I had a laptop that had interchangeable drives. Want to read a CD?
    Plug in the CD drive. Want to read a floppy? Plug in the 5 1/4-inch
    drive.

    Did it also have a PCMCIA slot?
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 23:19:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 01:07:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e.
    something that will burn a 2708.

    Would a rCLsoftware-defined ROMrCY be a suitable alternative?

    <https://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87434>
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 00:46:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:33:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I had a laptop that had interchangeable drives. Want to read a CD? Plug
    in the CD drive. Want to read a floppy? Plug in the 5 1/4-inch drive.

    Did it also have a PCMCIA slot?

    My Compaq Concerto had two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

    I did have an external CD and I think an Iomega Zip 100 drive. Man 100 MB, that was class in a glass.
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 19:55:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/23/26 06:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 23/02/2026 05:24, c186282 wrote:
    On 2/22/26 20:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-02-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:

    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in >>>>> 2026.-a And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try
    finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted.-a Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    -a-a Good luck .....

    -a-a Tech is more perishable than raw fish
    -a-a on a summer day.

    -a-a Now there MIGHT be some small companies
    -a-a that COULD burn you new ROMs - but the
    -a-a fee would be very high.

    In the UK -u12...
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/143674610911

    -a-a-a Now if you had
    -a-a some insider in a tech-heavy college
    -a-a computer lab, they probably HAVE all the
    -a-a needed stuff in a closet somewhere and
    -a-a would see it as an academic challenge ...
    -a-a as a fun/educational project.


    What you need is the code.

    I think this may be it

    https://github.com/bhall66/IMSAI-8080

    ASM, LST and HEX fileds for the boot and basic ROMS.

    And the junk needed to create those big wide
    connectors ?

    Easier, check the garage sales for an old XP
    era PC. Use XP, or an appropriately old Linux,
    to read yer floppies. Probably $5 for the crap
    PC and two bucks for the gas to drive there
    and back.

    Yea yea, I know the lure of complex custom
    projects ... but in this case go cheap and
    easy. Make images onto a stick and then
    it's done and you can put the old PC into
    the trash or whatever.

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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 21:08:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/23/26 13:29, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 00:31:56 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Hmm, how many even REMEMBER what a Centronics port was ?

    And 25 or 9 pin RS-232 connectors for that matter? You probably can find 20-somethings that wouldn't believe laptops had CD drives.

    I *have* a laptop with a cd/dvd drive - it's what
    I used for a month+ when my Pavilion blew up. It
    now has a SATA SSD replacing the old WD Blue and
    a new battery.

    Not a bad unit ... kinda heavy. Lots of RAM. It's
    a keeper.

    Does GenX+ even know what RS-232 is ???

    As I recall, Centronics, there were cards with
    the big pin-plug connection and a variant with
    like an edge connector. Remember having one
    of those wide Epsons that used the latter. It
    was slow, but good. Put a lot of green-stripey
    paper through that.

    Anyway, a lot of old tech has gone away. Always
    wanted an S-100 bus computer. I think they made
    them all the way up to the 68020. NOW you'd have
    to go to an 'old crap' sales site. Modbus connections
    are still around, but mostly hidden in factories -
    same with the multi-drop 'RS-' variants. Think I've
    seen a few modern Z80-based mini-boards for sale
    but those are for dedicated hobbyists and you're
    not gonna find 8" floppy units to attach. It's
    getting hard to get CGA/EGA/Herc PCI cards, and
    nothing but old junk uses ISA bus. Even standard
    VGA and tube monitors that can use it are getting
    more and more rare.

    Often newer IS 'better' ... but sometimes not,
    and sometimes less versatile too.

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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 21:25:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/23/26 13:50, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 23:46:59 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Yes, it's a very similar tech. However it looks like the 'bubble'
    density is vastly higher and the 'glass'
    is somewhat superior.

    Call it anything but bubble... Some of us remember bubble memory as the
    next big thing.

    Well ... At The Time ........

    Bubble-mem wasn't bad, it just wasn't fast/dense
    enough for the next-gen computers.

    Ferroelectric memory is good, and pretty fast, but
    the density is too low - it's confined to 'devices'
    mostly ... uControllers (used it there) and some
    phones and such. It won't replace DRAM. They still
    make traditional nvSRAM, but again they're pretty
    low-density.
    https://www.infineon.com/part/CY14B104NA-ZSP45XI


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  • From Robert Riches@spamtrap42@jacob21819.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 03:14:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    ROM burners are still available--per a recent discussion in the
    ET-3400 group (about the Heathkit ET-3400 trainer).
    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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  • From c186282@c186282@nnada.net to comp.os.linux.misc on Mon Feb 23 22:59:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2/23/26 19:46, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:33:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I had a laptop that had interchangeable drives. Want to read a CD? Plug
    in the CD drive. Want to read a floppy? Plug in the 5 1/4-inch drive.

    Did it also have a PCMCIA slot?

    My Compaq Concerto had two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

    I did have an external CD and I think an Iomega Zip 100 drive. Man 100 MB, that was class in a glass.

    I have one of those ... parallel port alas.

    But, at the time, 100mb WAS pretty impressive
    and the price was good. I think next-year ZIPs
    went up to like 250mb ...

    Anyway, if you need to read odd formats, look
    up local garage sales. For five or ten bucks
    you can get a C64 with tape and floppy units,
    an Apple-II, and old DOS/2K/XP compatible
    PC with 5.25 floppies ....

    I used to do odd computer jobs for a guy who'd
    scour the garage sales and bring me old Packard
    Bells and such - which I was supposed to revive
    enough to run his biz software.

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 06:57:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:59:41 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Anyway, if you need to read odd formats, look up local garage sales.
    For five or ten bucks you can get a C64 with tape and floppy units,
    an Apple-II, and old DOS/2K/XP compatible PC with 5.25 floppies ....

    A few years ago I saw a PET sitting on a garbage can. Get behind me Satan
    and lead me not into temptation.
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  • From Charlie Gibbs@cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 06:58:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2026-02-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 23:17:10 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:33:31 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I had a laptop that had interchangeable drives. Want to read a CD? Plug
    in the CD drive. Want to read a floppy? Plug in the 5 1/4-inch drive.

    Did it also have a PCMCIA slot?

    Yes, it did. I had a modem that fit into that slot.
    PCMCIA = People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

    My Compaq Concerto had two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

    I did have an external CD and I think an Iomega Zip 100 drive. Man 100 MB, that was class in a glass.

    I put a Zip drive into an AMD K6/2 box that I had. Never got around to actually using it, though.

    Then there was the SyQuest removable hard drive. 44MB, IIRC.
    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
    / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 07:09:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 21:08:36 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Anyway, a lot of old tech has gone away. Always wanted an S-100 bus
    computer. I think they made them all the way up to the 68020.

    It only had about 50 more pins than it needed but it was a hell of a deal
    on milsurp edge connectors. The SDT bus used mostly in industrial
    controllers only had 56. I designed cards and a backplane for a client
    with a severe case of NIH with 50 . You could get away with all sorts of
    stuff at 4 or even 6 MHz.
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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 07:25:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 24 Feb 2026 03:14:04 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

    On 2026-02-23, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

    I still have a machine with a 5 1/4-inch drive and a network interface.
    I also have an IMSAI with a pair of 8-inch drives, but unfortunately
    its boot ROM has rotted. Assuming I could find a listing of the ROM,
    I'm back to the issue of finding appropriate hardware, i.e. something
    that will burn a 2708.

    ROM burners are still available--per a recent discussion in the ET-3400
    group (about the Heathkit ET-3400 trainer).

    https://shop.heathkit.com/products/introductory-microcomputer- microcontroller-experimenter-kit-heathkit-educational-systems%C2%AE-
    ex-1001

    Heathkit has made it to the 21st century. I knew they had been reborn but
    the last time I looked I think there was only radio. Nice but a bit
    pricey.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 12:35:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 24/02/2026 06:57, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:59:41 -0500, c186282 wrote:

    Anyway, if you need to read odd formats, look up local garage sales.
    For five or ten bucks you can get a C64 with tape and floppy units,
    an Apple-II, and old DOS/2K/XP compatible PC with 5.25 floppies ....

    A few years ago I saw a PET sitting on a garbage can. Get behind me Satan
    and lead me not into temptation.

    I give you Adrian's Digital Basement...

    https://www.youtube.com/@adriansdigitalbasement
    --
    "It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to comp.os.linux.misc on Tue Feb 24 20:37:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 06:58:29 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    I put a Zip drive into an AMD K6/2 box that I had. Never got around to actually using it, though.

    I did have an internal Zip in one box. The last time I tried to use it it sounded like the head was trying to escape. Maybe it thought it was a 250
    MB and was looking for the missing 150 MB.

    Then there was QIC 80. I may still have one in a file box I stuffed old peripherals into.
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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Feb 25 05:33:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    The disk spin and head position mechanism would not be too hard to
    reproduce from modern components. Just need a linear stepper motor for
    the head positioning and an appropriate speed motor for the "spin".

    The part that would be hard to reproduce oneself is the actual
    read/write head. And lacking that, one could have a most excellent reproduction of the rest and it all be for naught.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Feb 25 11:35:04 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 25/02/2026 05:33, Rich wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a
    reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    The disk spin and head position mechanism would not be too hard to
    reproduce from modern components. Just need a linear stepper motor for
    the head positioning and an appropriate speed motor for the "spin".

    The part that would be hard to reproduce oneself is the actual
    read/write head. And lacking that, one could have a most excellent reproduction of the rest and it all be for naught.

    read write heads are just coils of wire+magnets IIRC ... miniature
    guitar pickups.

    What is more challenging is dealing with disks that are weak, misaligned
    or copy protected.

    When I said 'isn't hard' , I meant for a large organisation with a
    skilled team. One man alone - not so easy....

    This is fun.#
    https://amiga.robsmithdev.co.uk/history
    One man's attempt to read copy protected Amiga floppy disks using a
    normal drive

    I admire his tenacity in reverse engineering.
    --
    "It was a lot more fun being 20 in the 70's that it is being 70 in the 20's" Joew Walsh

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  • From Rich@rich@example.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Wed Feb 25 18:13:05 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 25/02/2026 05:33, Rich wrote:
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 22/02/2026 19:26, Rich wrote:
    c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2026-02-glass-square-future-storage.html

    Scientists at Microsoft Research in the United States have
    demonstrated a system called Silica for writing and reading
    information in ordinary pieces of glass which can store two
    million books' worth of data in a thin, palm-sized square.

    In a paper published today in Nature, the researchers say
    their tests suggest the data will be readable for more than
    10,000 years.

    Try obtaining a new 8", 5.25" or 3.5" floppy disk mechanism today in
    2026. And, assuming you found one (new old stock maybe?) try finding a >>>> reasonably recent computer to which you can attach it (floppy ports
    have disappeared too).

    Plenty of 3.5" around. Not so may 5.25...

    Plenty second hand tho

    And it isn't hard if you *really* want to, to reproduce the mechanism

    The disk spin and head position mechanism would not be too hard to
    reproduce from modern components. Just need a linear stepper motor for
    the head positioning and an appropriate speed motor for the "spin".

    The part that would be hard to reproduce oneself is the actual
    read/write head. And lacking that, one could have a most excellent
    reproduction of the rest and it all be for naught.

    read write heads are just coils of wire+magnets IIRC ... miniature
    guitar pickups.

    What is more challenging is dealing with disks that are weak, misaligned
    or copy protected.

    When I said 'isn't hard' , I meant for a large organisation with a
    skilled team. One man alone - not so easy....

    Fair enough. I interpreted your statement to mean "one man". You are
    correct that for "large org" it becomes much easier.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@tnp@invalid.invalid to comp.os.linux.misc on Thu Feb 26 11:29:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 25/02/2026 20:00, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
    On 2026-02-25, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    When I said 'isn't hard' , I meant for a large organisation
    with a skilled team. One man alone - not so easy....

    Fair enough. I interpreted your statement to mean "one man".
    You are correct that for "large org" it becomes much easier.

    At least until politics rears its ugly head.

    +1.
    --
    "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
    let them."



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