On 12/10/25 04:30, Marc Haber wrote:
Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
Because the "tools" are totally unnecessary.
Who are you to tell others what they should be using and what they
find useful?
What "tools" can a DE offer that cannot be provided by
various CLI or other software?
I use KDE and I like for example that I can click on URLs in text
windows and then get a popup whether I want to open that one in the
browser. I like that I have a graphical frontend to choose networks
and bring up and down my various VPN links. And I like that most of my
software looks similar to each other and that I have some settings
that have the same effect on the majority of my programs.
Answer: None.
That's your opinion. Mark it as such.
Also, the DE requires an integrated software environment
that adds both bloat and insecurity. To link all the
DE applications together requires constantly running
"services" and that, IMO, is not a good idea and a complete
waste of computing resources.
Thankfully we nowadays have computers that are so vastly powerful that
it doesn't matter how "fat" our desktops are. The machines we use are
powerful enough to cater for all that "coporate malware" that is being
in use to make Windows in the megacorps manageable and reasonably
secure. Our desktops might be less secure than they were in the
1990ies, but we're still vastly more secure than all those Windows
boxes that are the norm of computer usage.
And, once a current browser is running, the memory footprint of KDE
compared with "frugal" desktops as lxfe or xfce doesn't matter any
more anyway.
You are an anonymous person who is still stuck in the 1990ies. That's
your prerogative but you should not be running around shouting "YOU'RE
ALL WRONG AND MY WAY IS THE ONLY RIGHT ONE", that's ridiculous.
You LIKE KDE ??? May as well just buy Win12 and
all of Bill's rip-off user-hating universe :-)
Me, gimme LXDE ... JUST enough GUI. Snappy. No BS.
Kinda like Win2K.
And yes, that stuff DOES still matter ... and not
everybody is running an i9 or equiv. Lots stick
with rPIs and want to get the most from them. My
own New Laptop is i3 ..... runs cool, long battery
life, not a fan of high-rez video games, crappy
net bandwidth.
Oh, and my computing perspective is more 1975 ...
efficiency, tight code, to-the-point. Ever
programmed a PDP-11 with that newfangled 'C'
language ? Just don't drop yer stack of
punch-cards :-)
The tech may be dead ... but the PERSPECTIVE
lives on, for good reason.
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 05:16:26 -0500, c186282 wrote:
The tech may be dead ... but the PERSPECTIVE
lives on, for good reason.
Lives on? I am not so sure.
"Keep it simple, stupid" should be the GNU/Linux mantra
but that philosophy seems quite foreign to both users and
developers alike.
Of course, the plebes will neither notice nor care.
They will keep on pointing and clicking within their
glitzy DEs while sipping their "Super Water" (at $20
per pint) and basking in their $800 Chinese sneakers.
Who needs dope when there is delusion?
On Wed, 10 Dec 2025 10:30:19 +0100
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
Thankfully we nowadays have computers that are so vastly powerful that
it doesn't matter how "fat" our desktops are.
And, once a current browser is running, the memory footprint of KDE
compared with "frugal" desktops as lxfe or xfce doesn't matter any
more anyway.
Hard disagree. It's bad enough that modern websites are as corpulent as they've become; I don't need everything *else* in my system infected by
the same mentality.
(One day Moore's Law will hit the wall with pesky real-world physics constraints, and we'll stop getting "easy" exponential drops in $/bit. That'll be a *real* interesting time...)
I have no issues with CLI - I grew up on CLI based systems. That said, I don't have a problem with DE either. I especially liked KDE for all the
eye candy. XFCE is okay, but it's not KDE. Dolphin is a much better file manager than Thunar, imo.
You've got a few years on me. I've always believed in writing tight and efficient code whenever possible. I'd often use assembler to achieve
those results. Or, ASIC or C mixed with asm or interrupt calls depending
on my mood at the time.
Dolphin is a much better file manager than Thunar, imo.
Why is it that "Common Desktop" reminds me
too much of M$/Apple ?-a :-)
Screw 'common' ...
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete
VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
pretty much the same.
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete
VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete
VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look
pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded
openSUSE Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete >>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look >>>> pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma,
remove gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
On 10/02/2026 13:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:But will it delete all the clag?
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded
openSUSE Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete
VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look >>>>> pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma,
remove gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
I've often had major software changes fail where a fresh install does not
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE >>>> Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete >>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look >>>> pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading >libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
KDE used to offer Konqueror as their all-singing, all-dancing universal browser for files, websites, man pages -- just about everything. And it
still does: just give it a suitable URL, and it will figure out what to
do.
I use Cinnamon on Debian, it's the greatest, it still puts the taskbar buttons left-justified, I keep seeing Mint screenshots where they've
copied Win11's centering default (I changed that in Win11, right away).
It's got the visual and tactile advantages of Windows, but is Linux.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
they look pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
they look pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
they look pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
So is Debian and Fedora. But I would recommend doing such experiments at least with a clean account. I have experienced cases where a tested new Desktop Environment left settings in ~ that also influenced the behavior
of my usual Desktop Environment. Getting rid of that influence was a
major hassle. I would believe that this could happen on any
distribution.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 12:55:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded openSUSE
Leap 16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so
they look pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma, remove
gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
I forget the distro but it started with a GNOME2 DE and I added KDE. It
sort of worked but it was a little fragile when updating and there were
some strange effects. Even with i3 on top of Cinnamon and sway on top of
KDE I'm careful about invoking GUIs from the other DE.
With an offline iso creating a new VM is easy. That was a learning
experience too. The openSUSE iso is 4.2 GB, too big to copy to a
thumbdrive with the default vfat format so I had to format it to exfat. Neither Endeavour or LM are that big.
Why copy? I don't understand. The openSUSE isos are intended to be
"burned", they contain their own formatting and partitioning.
dd if=isofile of=/dev/sdX bs=16M status=progress
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded
openSUSE Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks. Delete >>>> VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look >>>> pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma,
remove gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
On 2/10/26 08:09, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 13:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 10:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 05:35, rbowman wrote:That does not always result in a clean install.
I was messing around with a VM on another machine and loaded
openSUSE Leap
16 with GNOME. As we used to say, that sucks green donkey dicks.
Delete
VM, reinstall with the KDE DE. The host box is Fedora/KDE so they look >>>>> pretty much the same.
Why reinstall? Just use the package manager and install plasma,
remove gnome if you wish.
deleting a test VM is trivially easy too.
openSUSE is designed so that you can install any desktop. Even all of
them at the same time.
-a The user was saying, and is kind-of correct, that
-a add-on environments don't always fully/properly
-a install and may require a lot of fucking around.
-a If selected DURING initial install the results
-a are better.
-a IF you don't have a lot of time vested in the VM
-a then it CAN be easier/faster to just zap it and
-a create a new one.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and
-a KDE ... hate 'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST
-a enough, no bullshit or excess eye-candy.
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 05:32:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
KDE used to offer Konqueror as their all-singing, all-dancing universal
browser for files, websites, man pages -- just about everything. And it
still does: just give it a suitable URL, and it will figure out what to
do.
I've been running Fedora/KDE for some time and recently loaded openSUSE
leap 16/KDE in a VM. Neither has Konqueror even though they do have Konversation, an IRC client.
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading >>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
an x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
So? :-)
On 11/02/2026 11:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:So a clean install doesnt do that.
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading >>>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
an x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
So? :-)
On 2026-02-10 20:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 05:32:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
KDE used to offer Konqueror as their all-singing, all-dancing
universal browser for files, websites, man pages -- just about
everything. And it still does: just give it a suitable URL, and it
will figure out what to do.
I've been running Fedora/KDE for some time and recently loaded openSUSE
leap 16/KDE in a VM. Neither has Konqueror even though they do have
Konversation, an IRC client.
No konqueror? That's strange, because openSUSE has KDE3 still
maintained.
I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
notice ill effects from that.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'emWow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.
-a both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
-a eye-candy.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
notice ill effects from that.
You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'emWow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.
-a both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
-a eye-candy.
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:55:29 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 20:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 05:32:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
KDE used to offer Konqueror as their all-singing, all-dancing
universal browser for files, websites, man pages -- just about
everything. And it still does: just give it a suitable URL, and it
will figure out what to do.
I've been running Fedora/KDE for some time and recently loaded openSUSE
leap 16/KDE in a VM. Neither has Konqueror even though they do have
Konversation, an IRC client.
No konqueror? That's strange, because openSUSE has KDE3 still
maintained.
I installed it on the Fedora box and it still works. It comes up more like
a file manager than a browser and does see a NFS export on another
machine.
Now I know why the openSUSE iso is so big. It installed K everything but Konqueror. I like KPatience but had to install it separately on Fedora. It has that, as well as KMahjongg, KSoduku, KMines, and KReversi.
The KDE DE on EndeavourOS (Arch) doesn't even have a Games category. Also openSUSE installed the LibreOffice stuff even though I thought I
explicitly told it not to. What it doesn't have is yast although that was
one of SUSE's high points for me.
I'll keep the VM around but I can't see a reason for using Leap rather
than other distros with KDE.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
So? :-)
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 12:06:16 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
So? :-)
The thing with .desktop files (which is what those icons represent) is
that they can invoke arbitrary commands when selected. So they are not
just simple links to particular executables, that can be autoremoved
by a simple find-dangling-references search.
Systemwide .desktop files can of course be removed as part of the
package which installed them. The same is not true of user-created
ones.
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
are just cosmetic noise.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I don't
notice ill effects from that.
You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hate 'emWow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any desktop.
-a both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or excess
-a eye-candy.
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
YaST was abandoned on Leap 16.0. The new installer has faults.
SUSE, the enterprise version, only ships Gnome. They consider that the
paying enterprise clients prefer gnome. And have been doing this for
many years. The KDE offering comes from the community instead.
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 15:21:18 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
That only works because of common standards!
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading
libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of an
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop loading >>>>> libraries from the other desktop, before starting the desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
graphcally challenging.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 23:45:28 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
SUSE, the enterprise version, only ships Gnome. They consider that the
paying enterprise clients prefer gnome. And have been doing this for
many years. The KDE offering comes from the community instead.
Okay. I haven't been keeping up on SUSE things and thought they had went
to GNOME across the board. I was happy to see the KDE and Xfce options in
the installer.
Way back when I went to SuSE because of KDE and yast. Maybe the people
using SLED have different tastes.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 23:52:57 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
YaST was abandoned on Leap 16.0. The new installer has faults.
I only installed vim-gtk but zypper seems to work.Part of my preference
for CLI is I know how apt, dnf, pacman, and zypper work. Pacman is the odd one out with -S rather than install. That means I don't have to go
searching for whatever GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon, Xfce, MATE, etc calls their
GUI front end. nmcli and others are also the same across distros and DEs.
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple people
are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
On 2026-02-12 01:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
Because the premise of this subthread, which you removed, was:
-a On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
-a > Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/09/compilers_undermine_encryption/
Interesting article. The compiler optimizes away the carefully crafted scheme to prevent password hacking by seeing which character it fails on.
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:03 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work. They
are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
You could parse the target field and check if the file is still
existing?
Yes, zypper continues the same as before, and there is a graphical
package manager very similar to the YaST package manager named myrlin
(not sure of the actual spelling).
On 2026-02-12 08:45, Marc Haber wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop
loading libraries from the other desktop, before starting the
desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And
probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
an x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
graphcally challenging.
Or when they tell me about this or that wonderful feature the other
desktop has, and I temporarily switch to find out about it. :-)
On 11/02/2026 21:05, rbowman wrote:
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were createdOh MAC OS is nice looking. I have used some of its features on my MATE desktop...
when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it Apple
people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
Well absolutely. I loathe androids interface with a passion.
Unfortunately there is no real alternative .
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 11:45:45 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-12 08:45, Marc Haber wrote:
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/02/2026 21:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-10 15:21, Marc Haber wrote:An interesting case of similar is when I cloned the home directory of
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
However, you can simply switch the greeter and that will stop
loading libraries from the other desktop, before starting the
desktop.
Dotfiles left around by the other desktop will still be there. And >>>>>> probably be used.
Not if the programs that used them are gone, or you don't run them.
an x86 machine onto a PI.
Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
It is enough to work with xfce, lxde, lxqt and kde interleaved. kde
might get quite confused by the settings you did in lxde.
Chaning the desktop in the same account is a common use case when you
use a development version of your distribtion where your daily desktop
may be broken von time to time, or when you access your desktop
remotely over thin links, falling back to a desktop that isn't as
graphcally challenging.
Or when they tell me about this or that wonderful feature the other
desktop has, and I temporarily switch to find out about it. :-)
That's when you either use the live feature or fire up a VM.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 11:55:59 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, zypper continues the same as before, and there is a graphical
package manager very similar to the YaST package manager named myrlin
(not sure of the actual spelling).
Myrlin is pretty lame. In Discover you're presented with a list of
categories similar to the start menu, Development forex. In myrlin if you click around enough you find that's in a submenu called Patterns. A couple
of random searches for applications I use, librewolf and vscodium, came up dry. I suppose if you successfully navigate the menus and find
Repositories you might be able to add the necessary ones.
SuSE I hardly knew ya...
On 2026-02-12 01:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work.
They are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
Because the premise of this subthread, which you removed, was:
On 2026-02-11 11:28, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Desktop icons referring to nonexistent programs remained in place
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:03 this Thursday (GMT):
On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 00:12:24 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But if they refer to nonexistent programs, they no longer work.
They are just cosmetic noise.
How do you tell without trying them all?
You could parse the target field and check if the file is still
existing?
Myrlin is almost exactly as YaST package manager was. It is home for any *SUSE user.
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I
don't notice ill effects from that.
You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hateWow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any
-a 'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or
-a excess eye-candy.
desktop.
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created
when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it
Apple people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
At 11 Feb 2026 21:05:33 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:50:25 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have several desktops installed in most of my machines, and I
don't notice ill effects from that.
You're lucky. Not everyone's experience is the same.
-a As for Gnome - DOES suck green donkey dicks - and KDE ... hateWow, hate... I can not ascribe such strong sentiments to any
-a 'em both. XFCE or LXDE for me ! JUST enough, no bullshit or
-a excess eye-candy.
desktop.
GNOME haters is a big club. Do you know how many new DEs were created
when GNOME3 arrived? I've never used MacOS but as I understand it
Apple people are right at home. GNOME2 was bad enough,
I'll come right out and say it. I want a DE to look like Windows XP or
Windows 7, not something that belongs on a phone or tablet.
I like Xfce as a DE, as it is simple and configures easily.
Unfortunately, the latest NVIDIA drivers have a problem with
Xfce compositing, so I can't use them. Thus, I'm stuck here
on Linux 6.18.10 because I need fixed drivers to make the leap
to 6.19.
Stop the presses! I just came across a workaround that doesn't
say "turn off the compositor":
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/580-release-feedback-discussion/341205/1007
Haven't tried that yet, but it looks promising...
$ xfwm4 --vblank=off --replace
I got tired of NVidia issues, so my current computers have AMD hardware
and graphics. No more extra drivers.
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