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On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 08:41:54 -0700, John Ames wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing system ...

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?
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On 2026-01-07, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 08:41:54 -0700, John Ames wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing system ...

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

Dunno, but they're going to run it until something satisfactory
comes along...

For might makes right
And 'til they've seen the light
They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
'Til somebody who we like can get elected.
-- Tom Lehrer: Send the Marines (1965)
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On 07/01/2026 06:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-01-07, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 08:41:54 -0700, John Ames wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing system ...

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

Dunno, but they're going to run it until something satisfactory
comes along...

For might makes right
And 'til they've seen the light
They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
'Til somebody who we like can get elected.
-- Tom Lehrer: Send the Marines (1965)

"He may be a son of a bitch but he is *our* son of a bitch"

Let's say they are going to try and run it in the hope that someone satisfactory comes along.

By threatening the next figurehead.

Getting rid of Donald Trump doesn't get rid of JD Vance or we would have arrested him on the last state visit ...

...and the people of Venezuela are not as dumb as Americans.
I mean who is going to invest in Venezuela with it in civil turmoil and
the prospect of any continuity of policy post Trump or Maduro...

We always knew the US electorate was pretty naive, but we didn't realise
how far that extended to MAGA in general.


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On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:46:52 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing system

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

I gather that other folks here would point to something that begins
with "Red" and ends with "Hat," but for myself I'm content to point and
laugh at the antics of diva developers who literally spent a year
pushing back on the idea that they should offer functionality so basic
that *every other extant GUI* has it with the You Don't Need That, the
This Is Actually By Design, and the Anyway That's Not Possible lines of argument...
...only to back down sputtering when enough people maintained that they
*did* need it that they risked losing their bid for dominance, and all
of a sudden it became Magically Possible After All - which they could
have done *a year prior* if they weren't so pointlessly pigheaded.
That's *funny,* that is.
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On 1/6/26 22:41, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-01-07, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 08:41:54 -0700, John Ames wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing system ...

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

Dunno, but they're going to run it until something satisfactory
comes along...

For might makes right
And 'til they've seen the light
They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
'Til somebody who we like can get elected.
-- Tom Lehrer: Send the Marines (1965)

Thanks for the Lehrer quote.
I will be adding to other political postings.
Ever hear of Smedly Butler, Retired Marine Corps General who figured out that his actions as a Marine in the Central American area were to
benefit
not Americans but North American Capitalist business interests. He compared his work to gansterism.

Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org rC| wiki rC| Smedley_Butler>

Americans Who Tell The Truth
<https://americanswhotellthetruth.org rC| portraits rC| major-general-smedley-butler>


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In <20260107095830.0000375e@gmail.com> John Ames:

[Snip...]

for myself I'm content to point and
laugh at the antics of diva developers who literally spent a year
pushing back on the idea that they should offer functionality so basic
that *every other extant GUI* has it with the You Don't Need That, the
This Is Actually By Design, and the Anyway That's Not Possible lines of argument...

...only to back down sputtering when enough people maintained that they
*did* need it that they risked losing their bid for dominance, and all
of a sudden it became Magically Possible After All - which they could
have done *a year prior* if they weren't so pointlessly pigheaded.

That's *funny,* that is.

The entire "Linux Must Adhere To Desktop Dominance" myth is funny
now in hindsight.

More poignant threads from The World Domination Funny Farm ...

<Quote>
GNOME, Mono, Xamarin founder Miguel de Icaza leaves Microsoft
Fri 4 Mar 2022
...
Before the Novell deal, SUSE was quite KDE-centric. In early 2003, half
The Reg's review of SUSE 8.2 discussed KDE, but mentioned GNOME in passing
in just one line. Just a year after it had acquired both companies, Novell wedded Ximian GNOME to SUSE. A decade later, SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 no
longer included KDE even as an optional extra rCo although an external community package arrived later for SLE 12 SP1.

In late 2010, Attachmate acquired Novell, and early the next year laid off
the Mono team. A fortnight later, de Icaza and Friedman founded Xamarin,
which is how he eventually ended up at Microsoft.
</Quote>

https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/04/de_icaza_leaves_microsoft/
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 09:58:30 -0800, John Ames wrote:

On Wed, 7 Jan 2026 05:46:52 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing
system

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

I gather that other folks here would point to something that begins
with "Red" and ends with "Hat," ...

Do you give any money to this rCLRedrCY and this rCLHatrCY? Because I donrCOt. And while I am aware of customers that give them money, I donrCOt do
work for any of those.

Do you see it as a viable business model to get people to use your
products for free?
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2026 06:41:58 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-01-07, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 08:41:54 -0700, John Ames wrote:

... even as they propose to unilaterally replace an existing
system ...

Gee, I wonder who gave them the power to do that?

Dunno, but they're going to run it until something satisfactory
comes along...

The software doesnrCOt write itself, you know.
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 20:16:43 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I gather that other folks here would point to something that begins
with "Red" and ends with "Hat," ...

Do you give any money to this "Red" and this "Hat"? Because I don't.

Sure don't! It's just what I gather from the conversation around here.
Me, I'm happy to point and laugh at the divas' antics, without worrying
too much about which Powers Nefarious may or may not be responsible.

And while I am aware of customers that give them money, I don't do
work for any of those.

Duly noted, but I'm not clear on what that has to do with Wayland...?

Do you see it as a viable business model to get people to use your
products for free?

No idea, RH's business model isn't really my problem.
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 13:22:56 -0800, John Ames wrote:

Me, I'm happy to point and laugh at the divas' antics ...

Which rCLanticsrCY are these? The ones who seem qualified only to be
armchair critics, who wouldnrCOt wknow where to start to contribute to
an open-source project? You are right! Those ARE the hilarious ones!
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 22:05:58 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Me, I'm happy to point and laugh at the divas' antics ...

Which "antics" are these?

It was just upthread, but if you need a refresher, here's a play in
three acts:
[ACT I]
(Scene: the workshop of WEYLAND SMITH, god of craftsmen and developers.
It is the vernal equinox, a time of renewal and rebirth.)
WEYLAND SMITH: Behold! I have crafted this wondrous new artifact for
the management of displays! May you all be blessed and join me in the
sun, so that we may leave the Old Ways and their frankly pretty janky
legacy baggage behind forever!
VOX POPULI: Okay, yeah, the Old Ways were pretty crufty alright. So,
this new thing of yours, it's a functional equivalent?
WS: Better! It's ever so much more secure, and offers full...er, offers
all the necessary functionality!
VP: Well, it's just that there seem to be some...missing features.
(WEYLAND blinks. There is an awkward silence.)
WS: Er, like what?
VP: I mean, programs can't position their own windows, apparently?
WS (scoffing): I really don't see how *that's* necessary.
VP: Well, you know, like if you have a main program window supplemented
by one or more tool palettes or status windows, or even multiple main
document windows with a shared toolbar. Not *everything* is tabbed single-window stuff.
WS: Come now, who *really* uses that paradigm in this day and age!?
VP: The GIMP, for one. There's a fair fraction of their userbase that
feel pretty strongly about it, and the single-window mode still doesn't
have a side-by-side option. Some significant pro/prosumer offerings for different niches, as well.
WS: Well, they can adapt, surely?
VP: ...You're suggesting they change their whole layout and workflow to
work around something you left out of *your* thing?
WS: I mean, it's not like anybody else--
VP: Dude, *every other comparable product on the market* has this.
(WEYLAND bristles.)
WS: Well, I--look, we just *have* to, alright!? The days of the Old
Ways are long past! This is *The Future* I've brought you - can't you
show some gratitude!?
VP: Look, it's nothing *personal,* it's just...well, we've got stuff to
*do,* and you're telling us we need to rearrange the whole way we do it.
WS: Enough! I'll hear no more of this petulance! Leave me, and return
when you can appreciate what I'm offering you!
VP: Yeah, fine. We'll be over there with the Priests of the Old Ways.
WS: But...but they smell funny, and I'm pretty sure they're leaving the
back gate unlocked some nights...
VP: Maybe, but they don't tell us what we can and can't *do* with our
own desktops.
[ACT II]
(Scene: a small village, on the verge of the autumnal equinox. Many of
the houses have windows that are time-worn or encrufted with moss; the residents would probably not mind having new ones, but they've got them
placed just how they want and don't much feel like handing over control
of their size and placement to the whim of a central authority.)
(WEYLAND steals in, casting twitchy, suspicious glances over first one
shoulder and then the other.)
VOX POPULI: Oh! Wasn't expecting to see you here - how've you been?
WEYLAND SMITH: Fine. Safe. Fine. Listen, you...you know you're not
*safe* here, don't you? Much more secure over at my place. C'mon, I'll
take you back with me - I'm not even mad about earlier, honest.
VP: Is this about the back gate? We've been talking with the priests
about that.
WS: No, no - well, yes, but it's these *windows,* you see.
VP: ...Pardon?
WS: Don't you understand? If someone came in the back gate, they could rearrange the windows while you weren't looking! Could even make you
think one window was another! Much too insecure, not safe at *all.*
VP: ...Oookay. But, like, we're looking into the gate thing.
WS: Really, you can't be too careful! Look, I've got that artifact I
crafted with me, you can just hand over control of your windows to--
VP: Seriously, this again? Wouldn't it make more sense to fix the
problem at the source?
(WEYLAND responds with a quietly horrified stare.)
VP: Listen, it's not that we have any objection to fixing things, it's
just that you keep telling us we can't *do* that without throwing our
whole workflow out. And, well, we can't see how that makes any sense,
and it's kind of an issue for the village draftsman. He takes his work-
flow *real* serious, you see.
WS: Truly!? Has *all* of this been thanks to the babbling of one fool?
Call him out, that I may meet him!
VP: Okay, if you insist. HEY, K.C., THERE'S A GOD HERE TO SEE YOU!
(Enter an 800-POUND GORILLA.)
K.C. (scratching his chin thoughtfully): So - they tell me you've got a
problem with the way we do things around here?
(WEYLAND looks him up and down. The GORILLA stands a full head taller,
and has a chest like a refrigerator.)
WS: I, uh, well...I just think that if you think about it, you'd see
it's actually much better to let me handle all of your, uh, windows...?
KC: You know how much I've got on my plate, pal? You want me to spend
*how* much time and effort rearranging my whole process just so you can
"solve" a problem we're already working on by throwing everyone *else*
here off their groove, too?
WS: B-but, but...you don't *understand,* if we don't all get on the
same page here, I can't get them to accept this neat artifact I made...!
KC: Buddy, I really don't see how that's my problem.
WS: I-I mean, they might leave *you* if it came down to it, did you
ever think about *that!?*
KC: You *serious,* my guy? I *own* whole distant jungles, I don't even
need to *be* here except I like these people.
(An awkward silence.)
WS: ...Is that a no?
KC: That's a no.
[ACT III]
(Scene: the same village, at the following vernal equinox.)
(WEYLAND enters, looking like he's had a rough night.)
WEYLAND SMITH: So...listen, I've been thinking about adding a method
for software-directed window sizing and placement.
VOX POPULI: ...Could you have done this at any time?
WS (aside glance): *Maaayyybe*...?
(Curtain.)
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 18:30:28 -0800, John Ames wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 22:05:58 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Me, I'm happy to point and laugh at the divas' antics ...

Which rCLanticsrCY are these? The ones who seem qualified only to be
armchair critics, who wouldnrCOt wknow where to start to contribute
to an open-source project?

It was just upthread, but if you need a refresher, here's a play in
three acts:

[hilarious fictions omitted]

You are right! Those ARE the hilarious ones!
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 04:59:59 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

You are right! Those ARE the hilarious ones!

I'm glad you enjoyed it - may you never forget it =^_^=
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 22:24:06 -0800, John Ames wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 04:59:59 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

You are right! Those ARE the hilarious ones!

I'm glad you enjoyed it - may you never forget it =^_^=

WhatrCOs to forget?
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 18:31:08 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I'm glad you enjoyed it - may you never forget it =^_^=

WhatrCOs to forget?

The silliness of developers who propose to replace whole chunks of
existing infrastructure, leave out critical functionality, and presume
to dictate terms to developers of *other* software, naturally ;)
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 10:51:44 -0800, John Ames wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 18:31:08 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I'm glad you enjoyed it - may you never forget it =^_^=

WhatrCOs to forget?

The silliness of developers who propose to replace whole chunks of
existing infrastructure, leave out critical functionality, and presume
to dictate terms to developers of *other* software, naturally ;)

DonrCOt worry, thererCOs nothing there worth forgetting!
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Le 08-01-2026, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a |-crit-a:

Do you see it as a viable business model to get people to use your
products for free?

It depends on a lot of things, but it can be. Some company give the code
for Free and manage to sell services around that. It can be
certifications, formations, support, whatever.
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On 10 Jan 2026 14:42:21 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 08-01-2026, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a |-crit-a:

Do you see it as a viable business model to get people to use your
products for free?

It depends on a lot of things, but it can be. Some company give the
code for Free and manage to sell services around that. It can be certifications, formations, support, whatever.

How does that work if your competitors are copying your product for
free?

Because remember, this is how the Red Hat rCLconpsiracyrCY is supposed to
work.
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On 2026-01-09 03:30, John Ames wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 22:05:58 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Me, I'm happy to point and laugh at the divas' antics ...

Which "antics" are these?

It was just upthread, but if you need a refresher, here's a play in
three acts:

[ACT I]

(Scene: the workshop of WEYLAND SMITH, god of craftsmen and developers.
It is the vernal equinox, a time of renewal and rebirth.)

...

WS (aside glance): *Maaayyybe*...?

(Curtain.)

Interesting. Thanks.
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Cheers, Carlos.
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 11:41:19 +0100
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

It was just upthread, but if you need a refresher, here's a play in
three acts:

[ACT I]

(Scene: the workshop of WEYLAND SMITH, god of craftsmen and
developers. It is the vernal equinox, a time of renewal and
rebirth.)

...

WS (aside glance): *Maaayyybe*...?

(Curtain.)

Interesting. Thanks.

Glad you enjoyed it =^_^=

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