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Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Linux IS an end in itself.



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Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.
--
Common sense is instinct, and enough of it is genius.
-- Josh Billings
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 13:59:39 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Linux IS an end in itself.

That may apply to some Linux users but I've used software from the Big,
Bad Corporation for years but I prefer Linux. I spend a lot of time
tinkering and compiling software because that is/was my job description
but it isn't aimed at the OS.

I very seldom do any tweaking beyond setting a left handed mouse, changing
the wallpaper, moving the icons on the taskbar to the left, and so forth
-- exactly the same things I do on a Window box.
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On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into a religion.

One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?

You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?

People buy Apple products and then stick with them...

...because they work well for them.
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On 2026-02-26 05:59, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

Exactly.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Also exactly.
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On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you >> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time
tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 13:59:39 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not
as an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that
it works with minimal fuss.

And maximum cost, it seems.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt just buy the
product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into
a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so
you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY.

Since when do you consider freedom to be a rCLreligionrCY? IsnrCOt that just
a basic human right?

Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than
actually getting things done.

WerCOre not the ones who have to apply patches that turn out to be
broken and require more patches on top of the previous patches to try
to fix their brokenness.
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On 2026-02-26 22:06, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 13:59:39 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not
as an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that
it works with minimal fuss.

And maximum cost, it seems.

At a cost they're willing to pay for what they get in return.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt just buy the
product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into
a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so
you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY.

Since when do you consider freedom to be a rCLreligionrCY? IsnrCOt that just a basic human right?

Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than
actually getting things done.

WerCOre not the ones who have to apply patches that turn out to be
broken and require more patches on top of the previous patches to try
to fix their brokenness.

Really?

You imagine that Linux never needs to be patched AND/OR that those
patches are always perfect?

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Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being >>>> inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you >>> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time >>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?
--
"No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.'"
-- Dr. Who
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 10:01:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>> an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just >>>> that it works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt just buy the
product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into >>>>> a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so >>>> you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more >>>> time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things
done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage the OS?

Does Anal believe that being aware of Usenet's existence automatically
means that you aren't a typical computer user? Some of us are in our 40s
and we've been aware of its existence before we even got onto the Internet
for the first time. Not everyone is an Apple-using sheep.
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On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>> an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being >>>>> inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you >>>> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time >>>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most
computers want to or even can practically do.

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?

Pretty much bang on, yes.

You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.
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Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most computers want to or even can practically do.

No shit, Sherlock.

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?

Pretty much bang on, yes.

You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.

And you're the guy posting about how his Beamer is easy to use and
you can use a European-import garage to fix it.

:-)
--
It would be illogical to assume that all conditions remain stable.
-- Spock, "The Enterprise Incident", stardate 5027.3
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On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so you >> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more time
tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Puresense. And it (tinkering) is highly-correlated with the ease of
theming, tweaking, swapping out DEs and window managers available with
Linux.

Imagine if it were as easy to tweak your car?

Bring back "soon to be a millionaire" President of cola 7 to promise us "shape-changing, self-repairing fractal nanobots" that can transmogrify
my Pathfinder into a Panamera in 8 seconds flat.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

No Excel? No thanks.
No Access? No thanks.
No Renamer? No thanks

Excel and Access alone would keep me on Windows, but I could probably
live with a Linux host and Windows vm guest. Might try that, just to
force myself to use Linux more.


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DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<snip>

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

Heyyyy! The original Yaris was a nice solid car! And it could
scream around an on-ramp!

No Excel? No thanks.
No Access? No thanks.
No Renamer? No thanks

Meh. You can get similar functionality from Free software.

Excel and Access alone would keep me on Windows, but I could probably
live with a Linux host and Windows vm guest. Might try that, just to
force myself to use Linux more.

:-)
--
untold wealth, n.:
What you left out on April 15th.
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:14:20 -0500, DFS wrote:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right. Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY. Just >>> that it works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt just buy the
product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being inducted into a >>>> religion.

You just described Linux users. The religion is rCLfree software so
you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY. Then you spend more
time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things
done.

Nonsense.

Puresense. And it (tinkering) is highly-correlated with the ease of
theming, tweaking, swapping out DEs and window managers available with
Linux.

Imagine if it were as easy to tweak your car?

Bring back "soon to be a millionaire" President of cola 7 to promise us "shape-changing, self-repairing fractal nanobots" that can transmogrify
my Pathfinder into a Panamera in 8 seconds flat.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

No Excel? No thanks.
No Access? No thanks.
No Renamer? No thanks

What do you mean by renamer? If you're referring to applications which
rename files in mass, the Linux ones are better than the Windows ones.
There is one I liked in Windows, I believe it was called BulkRenamer or something (it was free, either way), but I find that Linux has a better variety. In many cases, much of the functionality is built into the
desktop environment.

Excel and Access alone would keep me on Windows, but I could probably
live with a Linux host and Windows vm guest. Might try that, just to
force myself to use Linux more.

Don't force yourself to use Linux, there is no point. You either embrace
ir or you don't. Otherwise, you'd be doing what Joel does when he forces himself to bend over for any guy with a mental illness.
--
CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
Pop_OS!
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 07:38:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<snip>

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

Heyyyy! The original Yaris was a nice solid car! And it could scream
around an on-ramp!

Still is. I've had three and liked the first the best because it was a
manual. On a miraculously traffic free day I played with a Mini on the
highway down past Sur. Couldn't lose him but he couldn't get past either.

I bought the current 2018 as a leftover in 2020. It was the last of the
line for the hatchback with the original Toyota engine. By then the sedans were rebranded Mazda 2s. Hopefully it will outlive me and not get
destroyed by an idiot with a plow on his pickup like the first one.

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On 2026-02-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 07:38:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<snip>

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

Heyyyy! The original Yaris was a nice solid car! And it could scream
around an on-ramp!

Still is. I've had three and liked the first the best because it was a manual. On a miraculously traffic free day I played with a Mini on the highway down past Sur. Couldn't lose him but he couldn't get past either.

I bought the current 2018 as a leftover in 2020. It was the last of the
line for the hatchback with the original Toyota engine. By then the sedans were rebranded Mazda 2s. Hopefully it will outlive me and not get
destroyed by an idiot with a plow on his pickup like the first one.

Toyota makes one of the most reliable cars on the market. They are also
easy to repair and parts are easy to obtain.
They have slipped a bit lately with engine issues, but the other brands
have as well and they are still at the top of the list for quality and reliability.
--

pothead

"How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb?
None, theyrCOre too busy changing their gender."

"WhatrCOs the hardest part about being a Liberal?
Telling your gender neutral parental units that yourCOre straight."
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On 2/28/2026 2:41 PM, pothead wrote:

On 2026-02-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 07:38:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

Heyyyy! The original Yaris was a nice solid car! And it could scream
around an on-ramp!

Still is. I've had three and liked the first the best because it was a
manual. On a miraculously traffic free day I played with a Mini on the
highway down past Sur. Couldn't lose him but he couldn't get past either.

I bought the current 2018 as a leftover in 2020. It was the last of the
line for the hatchback with the original Toyota engine. By then the sedans >> were rebranded Mazda 2s. Hopefully it will outlive me and not get
destroyed by an idiot with a plow on his pickup like the first one.

Toyota makes one of the most reliable cars on the market. They are also
easy to repair and parts are easy to obtain.
They have slipped a bit lately with engine issues, but the other brands
have as well and they are still at the top of the list for quality and reliability.

Toyota or Hyundai is all I would buy. Corolla or Elantra.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2/28/2026 7:55 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:14:20 -0500, DFS wrote:

No Renamer? No thanks

What do you mean by renamer?

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

Better than any Linux renamer I've seen.

In many cases, much of the functionality is built into the
desktop environment.

Yep.

MS has a lot of nerve adding more telemetry (that people hate) rather
than adding decent bulk file renaming functionality (that people need)
to File Explorer.

It would take one MS developer no more than a week to add.

* when you right-click on 1 file and hit Rename, do the usual: highlight
the file name so you can change it.

* when you select and right-click on 2+ files and hit Rename, open the
new MS renamer application where the user can do Inserts and Replaces
on the selected files.

Inserts and Replaces is all you need to accompish almost any bulk file renaming operation. The 3rd party Renamer app is way more powerful than
most people need.

In File Explorer you CAN highlight a bunch of files and rename them all
at once, but it's very stupid - it gives them all the same name just
with a sequential number.

Excel and Access alone would keep me on Windows, but I could probably
live with a Linux host and Windows vm guest. Might try that, just to
force myself to use Linux more.

Don't force yourself to use Linux, there is no point. You either embrace
ir or you don't.

Dude, with your switching back and forth 1000x thru the years I'm not convinced you've embraced Linux.

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On 2/28/2026 7:38 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/26/2026 11:28 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<snip>

Linux is my daily driver, man.

So is/was a Yaris. No thanks.

Heyyyy! The original Yaris was a nice solid car! And it could
scream around an on-ramp!

Call 911... he's passing mopeds and Grandmas in a Yaris.

I don't know how anyone can stand to drive little tin cans in traffic,
with behemoth pickups ready to behead you in a wreck.

No Excel? No thanks.
No Access? No thanks.
No Renamer? No thanks

Meh. You can get similar functionality from Free software.

I don't want similar - I want substantially, like 95% of, the same functionality.

Excel and Access alone would keep me on Windows, but I could probably
live with a Linux host and Windows vm guest. Might try that, just to
force myself to use Linux more.

:-)

I recently wrote a good-sized python program (1830 lines total) to help
me manage a large collection of information.

I then started replicating the program in C, and just getting a SQLite-C interface to work on Windows was a hassle. So I moved over to Ubuntu
WSL2 and in no time was up to my ears in gcc warnings.


python to capture and list subdirectories one per line
printed in the case-insensitive order they appear in File Explorer ---------------------------------------------------------------------
import os
print(*[f.name for f in os.scandir(folder) if f.is_dir()], sep='\n') ---------------------------------------------------------------------



C to do similar
prints in case-sensitive order - lower case after upper case ---------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <dirent.h>
int main(void) {
struct dirent **f;
int i = 0;
int n = scandir(folder, &f, NULL, alphasort);
while (i < n) {
if (f[i]->d_type == 4 && f[i]->d_name[0] != '.') {
printf("%s\n", f[i]->d_name);
}
free(f[i]);
i++;
}
}
---------------------------------------------------------------------

So much more code... but the speed of C on Linux!

Thank you C and gcc and kernel, for:
pointers and memory control
no garbage collection
no runtime checks
no dynamic typing
synergy with kernel
gcc optimizations
-march=native

Of course, the extra development time of C will NEVER be recouped by the execution speed/time savings... but it still feels good when the data
slams onscreen.

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On 2/28/2026 2:48 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

Toyota or Hyundai is all I would buy.-a Corolla or Elantra.

Toyotas are reliable, but I don't trust Hyundai at all. Too many
catastrophic engine failures and recalls.

Last year my 2004 Explorer gave it up (worn out cat converter, followed shortly by broken transmission). Probably $2K to fix a vehicle worth at
most $1K in good shape.

Instead, I bought a 2017 Nissan Pathfinder with 135K miles for $10K -
nicest car I've ever owned by far. Fingers crossed the CVT doesn't blow
out for a while.

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On 2/26/26 1:39 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.

Right.-a-a Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY.-a-a Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being >>>> inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users.-a-a-a The religion is rCLfree software so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY.-a Then you spend more time >>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

You REALLY got that right. This group is WAY out on the end of a
distribution!
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On 2/27/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>>> an end in itself.

Right.-a-a Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY.-a-a Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being >>>>>> inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users.-a-a-a The religion is rCLfree software >>>>> so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY.-a Then you spend more time >>>>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most computers want to or even can practically do.

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?

Pretty much bang on, yes.

You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.

Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting
rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle
air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.
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On 2/26/26 1:38 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?

You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?

People buy Apple products and then stick with them...

...because they work well for them.

In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as a
room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the result of
many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices.

I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their ownership.

I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the
culmination.
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On 3/2/2026 7:16 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/26/26 1:39 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

You REALLY got that right. This group is WAY out on the end of a distribution!

Both groups are intended for serious platform-relative debate.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/26/26 1:38 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being
inducted into a religion.

One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?

You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?

People buy Apple products and then stick with them...

...because they work well for them.

In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as a
room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the result of
many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices.

I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their ownership.

I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the culmination.

Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton
active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2026-03-02 16:24, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/27/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>>>> an end in itself.

Right.-a-a Apple users arenrCOt interested in the rCLtechnologyrCY.-a-a Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.

But with companies like Apple, it seems, you donrCOt
just buy the product, you have to be a rCLconvertrCY first. Like being >>>>>>> inducted into a religion.

You just described Linux users.-a-a-a The religion is rCLfree software >>>>>> so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad CorporationrCY.-a Then you spend more >>>>>> time
tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done. >>>>>

Nonsense.

Linux IS an end in itself.

Linux is my daily driver, man.

And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.

What's your point?

That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most
computers want to or even can practically do.

In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?

Pretty much bang on, yes.

You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.

Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.

Bullshit.

Any time you want, you could buy a car that needs all of that...

...but you don't, do you?
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 17:39:46 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their
ownership.

I moved from Fitbit to Amazfit when Google invented 'cardio load' Despite
many requests they wouldn't make the annoying feature optional so goodbye Fitbit.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 17:24:26 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle
air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.

You haven't lived until you try to sync the carbs on a Healey by listening
to their little whistles...

otoh I went out one morning and the DR650 wouldn't start. Hunt down a replacement ECU and wait for it to arrive.
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