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Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...
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On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You know the usual story: Windows is becoming an absolute
pain in the bum to use with all the advertising

"the usual complete bullshit story" in your MS-hating peabrain.

You can turn ads off everywhere, except in Casual Games where they're infrequent. It's not at all a pain in the ass to deal with ads in
Windows.


But ...

* they shouldn't be there in the first place

* if they're going to put them in they should be opt-in

* shame on MS for the greed and contempt for users exhibited by non-
dismissable telemetry and advertising

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On 2/23/26 9:28 AM, DFS wrote:

On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

You know the usual story: Windows is becoming an absolute
pain in the bum to use with all the advertising

"the usual complete bullshit story" in your MS-hating peabrain.

You can turn ads off everywhere, except in Casual Games where they're infrequent.-a It's not at all a pain in the ass to deal with ads in Windows.

But ...

* they shouldn't be there in the first place

* if they're going to put them in they should be opt-in

* shame on MS for the greed and contempt for users exhibited by non-
-a dismissable telemetry and advertising

Must be a Win11 Home thing, I've only ever used Pro.
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On 2/23/26 12:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Totally depends on what you use a computer for. What if your
requirements include. I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

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On 2026-02-22 23:13, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Short explanation with no specifics.

"Easier"...how?
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On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Methinks we're debating Win11 Home vs. Linux, if people are not going to
get the Pro edition, they will get Microsoft exploiting them. This is
not to suggest that Win11 Pro isn't inferior to Linux, though - Linux
stands alone as the GOAT OS, as far as anyone can foresee. But running
the Pro edition does serve one better, than Home.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt
really make sense, does it?
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On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use that...

...only run on Windows!
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On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt
really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC
airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other
obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser and
some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS have the
widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For example,
what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?
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On 2/25/26 1:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Methinks we're debating Win11 Home vs. Linux, if people are not going to
get the Pro edition, they will get Microsoft exploiting them.-a This is
not to suggest that Win11 Pro isn't inferior to Linux, though - Linux
stands alone as the GOAT OS, as far as anyone can foresee.-a But running
the Pro edition does serve one better, than Home.

Not if you need applications that are not available on Linux.
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On 2026-02-25 16:44, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt
really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use
that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser and
some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS have the widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For example,
what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

One thing you've never understood about me, Tom:

I don't lie.
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Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 16:44, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology
doesnrCOt really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to
use that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my
RC airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of
other obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a
browser and some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows
and iOS have the widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For example, what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

One thing you've never understood about me, Tom:

I don't lie.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You just lied again Alan Baker.
--
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peace with you.
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On 2/25/2026 7:45 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 1:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand,
bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Methinks we're debating Win11 Home vs. Linux, if people are not going
to get the Pro edition, they will get Microsoft exploiting them.-a This
is not to suggest that Win11 Pro isn't inferior to Linux, though -
Linux stands alone as the GOAT OS, as far as anyone can foresee.-a But
running the Pro edition does serve one better, than Home.

Not if you need applications that are not available on Linux.

Yeah, I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned. M$ has sold me on their brand, again.
But that's as you say based on running specific apps. Linux is still
the superior OS.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2026-02-25 18:21, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 7:45 PM, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 1:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/23/2026 2:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all >>>> the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in >>>> this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand, >>>> bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting >>>> an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Methinks we're debating Win11 Home vs. Linux, if people are not going
to get the Pro edition, they will get Microsoft exploiting them.
This is not to suggest that Win11 Pro isn't inferior to Linux, though
- Linux stands alone as the GOAT OS, as far as anyone can foresee.
But running the Pro edition does serve one better, than Home.

Not if you need applications that are not available on Linux.

Yeah, I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand, again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.-a Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?
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On 2/25/2026 9:32 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand, again.
But that's as you say based on running specific apps.-a Linux is still
the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux? Or that Microsoft's "server" functions are largely corporate-intranet BS, not substantially real Internet-facing servers? Are you even aware of how lousy M$'s support
for that has always been? Prior to Windows 2000, the NT "server" barely
had better TCP/IP networking than Windows 95/98. Even Windows *Me*,
having inherited some of 2000's networking code, was better than NT4.

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so how
would I know, heh.
--
Joel W. Crump
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On 2026-02-25 18:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:32 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to make
in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand, again. But
that's as you say based on running specific apps.-a Linux is still the
superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

2. That it is easy to turn off unnecessary processes.

It has literally nothing to do with it being superior in the context of
its use for PERSONAL computing.

You know: the subject under discussion.

Or that Microsoft's "server"
functions are largely corporate-intranet BS, not substantially real Internet-facing servers?

And how is the attribute of being an "internet-facing server" relevant
to personal computer use?

-a Are you even aware of how lousy M$'s support
for that has always been?-a Prior to Windows 2000, the NT "server" barely had better TCP/IP networking than Windows 95/98.-a Even Windows *Me*,
having inherited some of 2000's networking code, was better than NT4.

None of which is at all relevant to what Windows is TODAY.

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to be
said.
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On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand, again. >>>> But that's as you say based on running specific apps.-a Linux is
still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it. They built a supercomputer but didn't want to
have to pay for software. No, price is not always even relevant, Linux
is the sleek platform that high-performance implementations need.

2. That it is easy to turn off unnecessary processes.

I've done that under Windows XP, with success. When Win7 came along,
though, I realized there was no big impetus for it. The truth is that Microsoft just doesn't support high-end computing, other than functions
just as proprietary as their platform.

It has literally nothing to do with it being superior in the context of
its use for PERSONAL computing.

You know: the subject under discussion.

Linux can't be judged on that, because it's only natural that Microsoft
and Apple would dominate PCs.

Or that Microsoft's "server" functions are largely corporate-intranet
BS, not substantially real Internet-facing servers?

And how is the attribute of being an "internet-facing server" relevant
to personal computer use?

How is personal-computer use relevant to determining the best OS
platform? If Linux is even *capable* of doing the job, then it wins the argument - and I can assure you that is the case.

-a Are you even aware of how lousy M$'s support for that has always
been?-a Prior to Windows 2000, the NT "server" barely had better TCP/IP
networking than Windows 95/98.-a Even Windows *Me*, having inherited
some of 2000's networking code, was better than NT4.

None of which is at all relevant to what Windows is TODAY.

The point is, Microsoft has never been the gold standard of anything
*other than* the PC or corporate "server" who-cares-ness.

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so
how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to be said.

You are trying to make this about PCs. And even as such, Linux still
wins because it's the only platform that has the scalability for PCs and everything else.
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:44:39 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC airplane hobby
that are Windows-only.

What do these apps do, exactly?

There are likely a lot of other obscure apps that have the same
issue.

Presumably not business critical.
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:45:51 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

Not if you need applications that are not available on Linux.

You can help make them available if you contribute to their
development.

The code doesnrCOt write itself, you know.
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On 2026-02-25 20:53, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:45:51 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

Not if you need applications that are not available on Linux.

You can help make them available if you contribute to their
development.

The code doesnrCOt write itself, you know.

Are you high right now?
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On 2/25/26 19:44, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt
really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use
that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser and
some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS have the widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For example,
what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

{pulling out the popcorn}


-hh
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On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand,
again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.-a Linux >>>>> is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.


-hh
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On 2026-02-25 20:52, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:44:39 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC airplane hobby
that are Windows-only.

What do these apps do, exactly?

There are likely a lot of other obscure apps that have the same
issue.

Presumably not business critical.

And you're a mindreader!
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At Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/23/26 12:13 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

Somebody else tells their tale of moving to Linux <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJDvJSTbie4>. You know the usual
story: Windows is becoming an absolute pain in the bum to use with all
the advertising (no mention of the continual stream of serious bugs in
this one, though), so she switched to using a Macintosh. (Second-hand, bought cheap -- what was that myth about high Mac resale values?)

And then got a flood of viewer comments suggesting she try Linux. So
she did--this time, without buying any new hardware, just resurrecting
an abandoned machine she had lying around. And found it brought new
life to an old, tired Windows laptop. Just like countless other
switchers.

Long story short: switching from Mac to Linux turned out to be easier
then switching from Windows to Mac.

Is that saying much? You be the judge ...

Totally depends on what you use a computer for. What if your
requirements include. I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

That's not true for everybody.

I'll bet that with some research, it might not even be
true for you.
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On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to
make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand,
again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.
Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.
--
Joel W. Crump
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At Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:44:39 -0700, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt
really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser and
some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS have the widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For example,
what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

I would suggest running Da Vinci Resolve, and set the interface
to use its Final Cut Pro-looking controls and screens.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/
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On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to >>>>>>> make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand,
again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.
Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...? /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer cluster,
these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying third party
licensing fees and dealing with customization restrictions on same are handicaps. As such, they pay in a different fashion: to have a team of dedicated programmers who get down into the weeds to make it all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.


-hh
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On 2/27/2026 9:02 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to >>>>>>>> make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand, >>>>>>>> again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.
Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...?-a-a /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer cluster,
these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying third party licensing fees and dealing with customization restrictions on same are handicaps.-a As such, they pay in a different fashion:-a to have a team of dedicated programmers who get down into the weeds to make it all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.

Why would M$ overcharge them for something that would get their lousy
product fame? They want Linux because it would actually serve their
purposes, regardless of cost. I'm not using Winblows because it's
superior software - it's not, it's inferior. I'm using it because I
want access to mIRC (without running Wine and defeating the benefit of
using Linux, and not even getting its full quality under Wine anyway)
and WhatsApp (and maybe other stuff that will present itself).
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On 2/27/26 09:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:02 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not >>>>>>>>> to make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their
brand, again. But that's as you say based on running specific >>>>>>>>> apps. Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...?-a-a /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer cluster,
these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying third party
licensing fees and dealing with customization restrictions on same are
handicaps.-a As such, they pay in a different fashion:-a to have a team
of dedicated programmers who get down into the weeds to make it all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.

Why would M$ overcharge them for something that would get their lousy product fame?

Because the value added of the "fame" isn't worth their cost.
Business 101.

They want Linux because it would actually serve their
purposes, regardless of cost.-a I'm not using Winblows because it's
superior software - it's not, it's inferior.-a I'm using it because I
want access to mIRC (without running Wine and defeating the benefit of
using Linux, and not even getting its full quality under Wine anyway)
and WhatsApp (and maybe other stuff that will present itself).

Which illustrates that you too have conducted a "make, or buy" decision.

Yet you're denying others that some facility. How hypocritical of you.


-hh
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On 2/27/2026 9:44 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 09:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:02 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not >>>>>>>>>> to make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their >>>>>>>>>> brand, again. But that's as you say based on running specific >>>>>>>>>> apps. Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...?-a-a /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer cluster,
these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying third party
licensing fees and dealing with customization restrictions on same
are handicaps.-a As such, they pay in a different fashion:-a to have a
team of dedicated programmers who get down into the weeds to make it
all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.

Why would M$ overcharge them for something that would get their lousy
product fame?

Because the value added of the "fame" isn't worth their cost.
Business 101.

The only reason I would mostly agree is that M$ has made their peace
with Linux. They know Winblows will never genuinely compete with it, as
an OS. They win on being mainstream and supporting apps (as my recent decision to change my mind on the installation of Win11/Norton being
temporary illustrates).

They want Linux because it would actually serve their purposes,
regardless of cost.-a I'm not using Winblows because it's superior
software - it's not, it's inferior.-a I'm using it because I want
access to mIRC (without running Wine and defeating the benefit of
using Linux, and not even getting its full quality under Wine anyway)
and WhatsApp (and maybe other stuff that will present itself).

Which illustrates that you too have conducted a "make, or buy" decision.

Yet you're denying others that some facility.-a How hypocritical of you.

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware and software, it's their wallet to set on fire. I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro.
That's real value.
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On 2/27/2026 9:54 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware and software, it's their wallet to set on fire.-a I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro.
-aThat's real value.

What make and model?

I've been thinking of trying a miniPC. Beelink apparently makes some
good ones.


MiniPC manufacturing in China - very cool video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohwI3V207Ts&t=143s

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DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/27/2026 9:54 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware and
software, it's their wallet to set on fire.-a I paid $190 plus tax and
financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro.
-aThat's real value.

What make and model?

I've been thinking of trying a miniPC. Beelink apparently makes some
good ones.

MiniPC manufacturing in China - very cool video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohwI3V207Ts&t=143s

I got one of the Trycoo models, the WI-6.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=trycoo+wi-6+mini+pc&crid=3VO2SNYFFKS2H&sprefix=trycoo+%2Caps%2C280&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-expert-pd-ops-ranker_4_7

It was about $130 when I bought it, but the price has skyrocketed.
It came with Win 11 Pro, but doesn't seem to come with any OS
now. The wording is ambiguous:

PREINSTALLED ADVANCED OS - Compatible with various operating
OS(11 Pro, 11, 10 Pro, 10), including Linux, Ubuntu and
Firewall Serve, this micro PC also supports features such as
LAN wake-up, PXE boot, RTC wake-up, and auto power-on, making
it an excellent option for use as a mini server.

I have it dual booting Win and Debian. Runs very well, pretty
happy with it. The CPU is "only" an N100, 4 cores.

The Type-C connector goes to USB hub which has about a dozen
devices overall. I have a cheap USB-to-headphone jack in the back,
attached to a soundbar. Dual monitors on HDMI.

Heh heh:
--
Yes I have a Machintosh, please don't scream at me.
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On 2/27/26 09:54, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:44 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 09:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:02 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not >>>>>>>>>>> to make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their >>>>>>>>>>> brand, again. But that's as you say based on running specific >>>>>>>>>>> apps. Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...?-a-a /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer cluster,
these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying third party
licensing fees and dealing with customization restrictions on same
are handicaps.-a As such, they pay in a different fashion:-a to have a >>>> team of dedicated programmers who get down into the weeds to make it
all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.

Why would M$ overcharge them for something that would get their lousy
product fame?

Because the value added of the "fame" isn't worth their cost.
Business 101.

The only reason I would mostly agree is that M$ has made their peace
with Linux.-a They know Winblows will never genuinely compete with it, as
an OS.-a They win on being mainstream and supporting apps (as my recent decision to change my mind on the installation of Win11/Norton being temporary illustrates).

Because no one can force Microsoft to develop & sell specific products.

They want Linux because it would actually serve their purposes,
regardless of cost.-a I'm not using Winblows because it's superior
software - it's not, it's inferior.-a I'm using it because I want
access to mIRC (without running Wine and defeating the benefit of
using Linux, and not even getting its full quality under Wine anyway)
and WhatsApp (and maybe other stuff that will present itself).

Which illustrates that you too have conducted a "make, or buy" decision.

Yet you're denying others that some facility.-a How hypocritical of you.

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware and software, it's their wallet to set on fire.

Yes, you are trying to deny ... still. That's why you won't even throw
out a notional number for how much it is worth to have a system that's
twice as fast.

I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and
512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. -aThat's real value.

Maybe. It depends on several factors.

First one is what the system is actually capable of. One would need to
geek out on hardware & benchmarks to know how much bang one is getting
for that buck, because its more than merely RAM & Storage.

Second, is your find still even available at this price today? The AI
boom has raised prices on RAM, SSDs, HDDs, etc, so you may have an
anomaly that you shouldn't try to generalize claims from.

Third, what is the value price point for other systems which have
greater computational capabilities? See benchmarks, and just because
this one is satisfactory for you don't make that true for all other
users too. This is why I asked you to "put a number on it".

Fourth, you've already spent substantially much more than just $190,
because you've posted about making multiple purchases: from a lifecycle
cost standpoint, what's been the sum of all of your costs over the past
three years? $1400? More? Point here is that there's also customer
value in not having to replace stuff as frequently as you already have.
See the adage: "penny wise and dollar foolish".


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On 2/27/2026 2:46 PM, DFS wrote:

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware
and software, it's their wallet to set on fire.-a I paid $190 plus tax
and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, and
Win11 Pro. -a-aThat's real value.

What make and model?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F43ZGFLB

Ninkear Mini PC Intel CPU N150(up to 3.6GHz), 3-Year Warranty, 16GB DDR4
512GB PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD Micro Gaming PC, Mini Desktop Computers with 4K
Dual Display, 1000M RJ45/HDMI/DP/USB 3.0, WiFi 5/BT 5

I've been thinking of trying a miniPC.-a Beelink apparently makes some
good ones.

MiniPC manufacturing in China - very cool video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohwI3V207Ts&t=143s

I've had pretty good luck with this one, reasonably stable, runs Win11
or Linux well enough. The Windows license is gray market, as you would assume, but now that I installed from generic media clean, it's doing remarkably well. The way it came was OK, at the time I just used that,
until I put Debian 13 on it, but now back to Win11 installed the way I
would do so.
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On 2/27/2026 3:45 PM, -hh wrote:

I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and
512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. -aThat's real value.

Maybe.-a It depends on several factors.

First one is what the system is actually capable of.-a One would need to geek out on hardware & benchmarks to know how much bang one is getting
for that buck, because its more than merely RAM & Storage.

Second, is your find still even available at this price today?-a The AI
boom has raised prices on RAM, SSDs, HDDs, etc, so you may have an
anomaly that you shouldn't try to generalize claims from.

Similar products would still be a relatively good value by today's prices.

Third, what is the value price point for other systems which have
greater computational capabilities?-a See benchmarks, and just because
this one is satisfactory for you don't make that true for all other
users too.-a This is why I asked you to "put a number on it".

Whatever.

Fourth, you've already spent substantially much more than just $190,
because you've posted about making multiple purchases:-a from a lifecycle cost standpoint, what's been the sum of all of your costs over the past three years?-a $1400?-a More?-a Point here is that there's also customer value in not having to replace stuff as frequently as you already have.
See the adage:-a "penny wise and dollar foolish".

It was an unusual, unexpected situation, with my box being destroyed at
a young age. I thus already had the monitor and other things to connect
to it. Your abstract analysis really doesn't apply.
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On 2/25/2026 10:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

The truth is that
Microsoft just doesn't support high-end computing, other than functions
just as proprietary as their platform.

In Nov 2011 Windows HPC v2008 was #58 on the Top 500 Supercomputer List, leaving 442 Unix/Linux systems in the dust.

But nowadays, and for some years, exactly 100% of the Top 500
supercomputers run Linux.

From the Nov 2025 Top 500 list

OS Installations
AlmaLinux 8.5 2
AlmaLinux 9 2
AlmaLinux 9.3 1
AlmaLinux 9.4 1
AlmaLinux 9.5 3
Amazon Linux 2 1
bullx SCS 7
CentOS 29
CentOS Linux 7 6
CentOS Linux 8.4 1
CentOS Scientific-OpenStack 1
Cray Linux Environment 9
HPE Cray OS 35
Linux 144
Linux/TOSS 12
NVIDIA DGX OS 5 3
Qlustar 14 / Ubuntu 24.04 1
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 36
RedHat 8.10 1
RedHat 9.1 3
RedHat 9.4 1
Redhat Linux 1
RHEL 9
RHEL 6.8 2
RHEL 7.4 2
RHEL 7.6 4
RHEL 7.7 5
RHEL 7.8 2
RHEL 8 1
RHEL 8.10 1
RHEL 8.3 3
RHEL 8.4 2
RHEL 8.5 1
RHEL 8.6 7
RHEL 8.7 3
RHEL 8.9 4
RHEL 9 2
RHEL 9.2 4
RHEL 9.4 7
RHEL 9.5 3
RHEL compatible 1
Rocky Linux 4
Rocky Linux 8 6
Rocky Linux 8.10 1
Rocky Linux 8.4 3
Rocky Linux 8.5 1
Rocky Linux 8.6 2
Rocky Linux 8.7 1
Rocky Linux 8.8 1
Rocky Linux 8.9 2
Rocky Linux 9 2
Rocky Linux 9.3 1
Rocky Linux 9.4 8
Rocky Linux 9.5 1
Rocky Linux 9.6 3
SLES 15 1
SLES 15 SP5 1
SLES12 SP2 1
SLES15 1
SLES15 SP2 5
SLES15 SP4 1
SLES15 SP6 1
Sunway RaiseOS 2.0.5 1
SUSE Linux 2
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 1
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP3 2
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 15 SP2 2
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 15 SP4 1
TOSS 4
TOSS 4 Linux 4
Tri-Lab Operating System 2
Ubuntu 7
Ubuntu 16.04 3
Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS 4
Ubuntu 18.04 LTS 1
Ubuntu 18.04.01 3
Ubuntu 20.04 2
Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS 4
Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS 5
Ubuntu 22.04 14
Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS 1
Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS 9
Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS 4
Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS 5
Ubuntu 24.04 1
Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS 1
Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS 2
Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS 1
VEOS 4

It has literally nothing to do with it being superior in the context
of its use for PERSONAL computing.

You know: the subject under discussion.

Linux can't be judged on that, because it's only natural that Microsoft
and Apple would dominate PCs.

Not natural. It takes a LOT of work to dominate any market. Microsoft
did the work.

Unix did all the work, then GuhNoo came along and made a free clone.

Or that Microsoft's "server" functions are largely corporate-intranet
BS, not substantially real Internet-facing servers?

And how is the attribute of being an "internet-facing server" relevant
to personal computer use?

How is personal-computer use relevant to determining the best OS
platform?-a If Linux is even *capable* of doing the job, then it wins the argument - and I can assure you that is the case.

I see you didn't actually beat schizophrenia.

-a Are you even aware of how lousy M$'s support for that has always
been?-a Prior to Windows 2000, the NT "server" barely had better
TCP/IP networking than Windows 95/98.-a Even Windows *Me*, having
inherited some of 2000's networking code, was better than NT4.

None of which is at all relevant to what Windows is TODAY.

The point is, Microsoft has never been the gold standard of anything
*other than* the PC or corporate "server" who-cares-ness.

Nobody ever claimed otherwise. But Linux goobs can't even handle that
fact, so they talk about "supercomputers" and Windows Me.

FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL.

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so
how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to
be said.

You are trying to make this about PCs.-a And even as such, Linux still
wins because it's the only platform that has the scalability for PCs and everything else.

Joel: Linux wins. Linux wins. Linux wins.

DFS : Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel: Windows


Good one, "Linux advocate"!





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On 2/27/2026 3:17 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/27/2026 9:54 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware and
software, it's their wallet to set on fire.-a I paid $190 plus tax and
financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. >>> -aThat's real value.

What make and model?

I've been thinking of trying a miniPC. Beelink apparently makes some
good ones.

MiniPC manufacturing in China - very cool video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohwI3V207Ts&t=143s

I got one of the Trycoo models, the WI-6.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=trycoo+wi-6+mini+pc&crid=3VO2SNYFFKS2H&sprefix=trycoo+%2Caps%2C280&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-expert-pd-ops-ranker_4_7

It was about $130 when I bought it, but the price has skyrocketed.
It came with Win 11 Pro, but doesn't seem to come with any OS
now. The wording is ambiguous:

PREINSTALLED ADVANCED OS - Compatible with various operating
OS(11 Pro, 11, 10 Pro, 10), including Linux, Ubuntu and
Firewall Serve, this micro PC also supports features such as
LAN wake-up, PXE boot, RTC wake-up, and auto power-on, making
it an excellent option for use as a mini server.

I have it dual booting Win and Debian. Runs very well, pretty
happy with it. The CPU is "only" an N100, 4 cores.

Thanks

Amazon says it's a "Frequently returned item"

Overall good reviews, but a 1-star review says:

"Disastrous with Windows 11. Boot time 9min Until Explorer is on 15
minutes.. The computer has too little power for win11..
I would recommend Ubuntu, i.e. Linux or better not order it at all. Unfortunately I tried it out for too long and couldn't give it back.
Update 08-2025 Ubuntu 24 runs great on this device. Boot time less than
1 min"



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On 2/27/2026 8:10 PM, DFS wrote:

It has literally nothing to do with it being superior in the context
of its use for PERSONAL computing.

You know: the subject under discussion.

Linux can't be judged on that, because it's only natural that
Microsoft and Apple would dominate PCs.

Not natural.-a It takes a LOT of work to dominate any market.-a Microsoft did the work.

Unix did all the work, then GuhNoo came along and made a free clone.

The point, though, is that any Unix-like OS isn't as "plug-and-play" as
it were as M$ and Apple's consumer-oriented systems.

Or that Microsoft's "server" functions are largely corporate-
intranet BS, not substantially real Internet-facing servers?

And how is the attribute of being an "internet-facing server"
relevant to personal computer use?

How is personal-computer use relevant to determining the best OS
platform?-a If Linux is even *capable* of doing the job, then it wins
the argument - and I can assure you that is the case.

I see you didn't actually beat schizophrenia.

No, man, you always want the PC to be the center of the computer
universe, Linux does well *enough* on a PC to count, so it wins
*overall*. *Limited to* the PC, Windows would win.

-a Are you even aware of how lousy M$'s support for that has always
been?-a Prior to Windows 2000, the NT "server" barely had better TCP/ >>>> IP networking than Windows 95/98.-a Even Windows *Me*, having
inherited some of 2000's networking code, was better than NT4.

None of which is at all relevant to what Windows is TODAY.

The point is, Microsoft has never been the gold standard of anything
*other than* the PC or corporate "server" who-cares-ness.

Nobody ever claimed otherwise.-a But Linux goobs can't even handle that fact, so they talk about "supercomputers" and Windows Me.

FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL. FAIL.

There was a period when Windows actually outperformed Linux (2000 and XP
came close but were still behind on some key things e.g. networking),
Vista with SP2/Win7, through 8.x and perhaps into the early days of "10"
(when it was really still 9, in truth). Linux, at the latest (I only
know based on when I've tried it at various times), began to overtake it
as M$ entered their public beta test mode with Win10 1809-2004, and with
Win10 20H2 you had parity basically, as we've had since. But that makes
Linux the winner by default, because it's so much more than a PC and corporate-"server" OS.

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so
how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to
be said.

You are trying to make this about PCs.-a And even as such, Linux still
wins because it's the only platform that has the scalability for PCs
and everything else.

Joel:-a Linux wins.-a Linux wins.-a Linux wins.

DFS :-a Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel:-a Windows

Good one, "Linux advocate"!

I'm not backing down from my preference of Linux - I'm merely admitting
that the conveniences of Win11 are worth running it, at least for now.
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On 2/27/26 19:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 3:45 PM, -hh wrote:

I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM
and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. -aThat's real value.

Maybe.-a It depends on several factors.

First one is what the system is actually capable of.-a One would need
to geek out on hardware & benchmarks to know how much bang one is
getting for that buck, because its more than merely RAM & Storage.

Second, is your find still even available at this price today?-a The AI
boom has raised prices on RAM, SSDs, HDDs, etc, so you may have an
anomaly that you shouldn't try to generalize claims from.

Similar products would still be a relatively good value by today's prices.

Prices which are ... conveniently absent.

Third, what is the value price point for other systems which have
greater computational capabilities?-a See benchmarks, and just because
this one is satisfactory for you don't make that true for all other
users too.-a This is why I asked you to "put a number on it".

Whatever.

There's products besides just the one that you personally care about,
and an appropriate "good value" assessment for every last permutation.

Fourth, you've already spent substantially much more than just $190,
because you've posted about making multiple purchases:-a from a
lifecycle cost standpoint, what's been the sum of all of your costs
over the past three years?-a $1400?-a More?-a Point here is that there's
also customer value in not having to replace stuff as frequently as
you already have. See the adage:-a "penny wise and dollar foolish".

It was an unusual, unexpected situation, with my box being destroyed at
a young age.-a I thus already had the monitor and other things to connect
to it.-a Your abstract analysis really doesn't apply.

Doesn't matter for lifecycle cost analysis, & it isn't abstract at all.

<https://us.caddi.com/resources/insights/lifecycle-costing>

Applied, it helps to avoid the mistake of picking the cheapest initial
option, as it may result in higher long-term costs. You've been a
poster child on displaying this "penny wise, dollar foolish" behavior.


-hh





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On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 14:46:26 -0500, DFS wrote:

I've been thinking of trying a miniPC. Beelink apparently makes some
good ones.

I bought a Beelink SER4 as an experiment and it has turned out to be a
daily driver. Twist of fate, I installed Ubuntu and learned to live with
it.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (8) @ 2.00 GHz
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega Mobile Series [Integrated]
Memory: 7.52 GiB / 14.54 GiB (52%)

I bought it in 2022 and time has moved on. Beelink has expanded their line quite a bit to cover the price spectrum. I bought this particular one
since the specs are almost identical to my Acer Swift 3 laptop and I was
happy with its performance.

fwiw, it came with Windows 11 Pro for $389. The SER5 with the Ryzen 5
5500U is about that price now. You can go up a little or a lot from there
or there are some cheaper SKUs with the Intel N95.

But, being a Windows fanboi, what you really want it the new Acer NUC.

https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/27/microsoft_dell_asus_windows_365/


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DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2/27/2026 3:17 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

<snip>

I got one of the Trycoo models, the WI-6.

<snip>

I have it dual booting Win and Debian. Runs very well, pretty
happy with it. The CPU is "only" an N100, 4 cores.

Thanks

Amazon says it's a "Frequently returned item"

Overall good reviews, but a 1-star review says:

"Disastrous with Windows 11. Boot time 9min Until Explorer is on 15 minutes.. The computer has too little power for win11..
I would recommend Ubuntu, i.e. Linux or better not order it at all. Unfortunately I tried it out for too long and couldn't give it back.
Update 08-2025 Ubuntu 24 runs great on this device. Boot time less than
1 min"

Odd. Both OS's work fine on my model. Maybe he somehow borked the
Win 11 install.

I do get a too-quick-to-read error message at boot-up to Debian.
Should look at the syslog some time.
--
What does education often do? It makes a straight cut ditch of a
free meandering brook.
-- Henry David Thoreau
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:10:58 -0500, DFS wrote:

On 2/25/2026 10:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

The truth is that Microsoft just doesn't support high-end computing,
other than functions just as proprietary as their platform.

In Nov 2011 Windows HPC v2008 was #58 on the Top 500 Supercomputer List, leaving 442 Unix/Linux systems in the dust.

But nowadays, and for some years, exactly 100% of the Top 500
supercomputers run Linux.

From the Nov 2025 Top 500 list

OS Installations AlmaLinux 8.5 2

AlmaLinux 9

2 AlmaLinux 9.3 1 AlmaLinux 9.4
1 AlmaLinux 9.5 3 Amazon Linux 2 1
bullx SCS 7 CentOS 29 CentOS
Linux 7 6 CentOS Linux 8.4 1 CentOS Scientific-OpenStack 1 Cray Linux Environment 9 HPE Cray OS
35 Linux 144 Linux/TOSS
12 NVIDIA DGX OS 5 3 Qlustar 14 / Ubuntu 24.04 1
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 36 RedHat 8.10 1 RedHat
9.1 3 RedHat 9.4 1 Redhat Linux
1 RHEL 9 RHEL 6.8
2 RHEL 7.4 2 RHEL 7.6 4
RHEL 7.7 5 RHEL 7.8 2 RHEL 8
1 RHEL 8.10 1 RHEL 8.3 3 RHEL
8.4 2 RHEL 8.5 1 RHEL 8.6 7 RHEL 8.7
3 RHEL 8.9 4 RHEL 9 2 RHEL 9.2 4
RHEL 9.4 7 RHEL 9.5 3 RHEL compatible 1 Rocky
Linux 4 Rocky Linux 8 6 Rocky Linux 8.10 1 Rocky Linux 8.4
3 Rocky Linux 8.5 1 Rocky Linux 8.6 2 Rocky Linux 8.7 1
Rocky Linux 8.8 1 Rocky Linux 8.9 2 Rocky Linux 9 2 Rocky
Linux 9.3 1 Rocky Linux 9.4 8 Rocky Linux 9.5 1 Rocky Linux 9.6
3 SLES 15 1 SLES 15 SP5 1 SLES12 SP2 1
SLES15 1 SLES15 SP2 5 SLES15 SP4 1 SLES15
SP6 1 Sunway RaiseOS 2.0.5 1 SUSE Linux 2 SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 1 SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP3
2 SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 15 SP2 2 SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
15 SP4 1 TOSS 4 TOSS 4 Linux 4
Tri-Lab Operating System 2 Ubuntu 7 Ubuntu 16.04
3 Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS 4 Ubuntu 18.04 LTS 1 Ubuntu 18.04.01 3 Ubuntu 20.04 2 Ubuntu 20.04.1
LTS 4 Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS 5 Ubuntu 22.04 14 Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS 1 Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS 9 Ubuntu 22.04.4
LTS 4 Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS 5 Ubuntu 24.04 1 Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS 1 Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS 2 Ubuntu 24.04.3
LTS 1 VEOS 4

I'm actually surprised by the appearance of Ubuntu in there.

It has literally nothing to do with it being superior in the context
of its use for PERSONAL computing.

You know: the subject under discussion.

Linux can't be judged on that, because it's only natural that Microsoft
and Apple would dominate PCs.

Not natural. It takes a LOT of work to dominate any market. Microsoft
did the work.

Unix did all the work, then GuhNoo came along and made a free clone.

I have no issue with this, why do you?

< snip >

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so
how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to
be said.

You are trying to make this about PCs.-a And even as such, Linux still
wins because it's the only platform that has the scalability for PCs
and everything else.

Joel: Linux wins. Linux wins. Linux wins.

DFS : Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel: Windows

Good one, "Linux advocate"!

Something tells me that Linux failed at allowing Joel to view some random homosexual porn. He had to migrate to Windows for this very important masturbation works he does.
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CrudeSausage
John 14:6
Isaiah 48:16
Pop_OS!
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On 2/28/2026 7:52 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:10:58 -0500, DFS wrote:

On 2/25/2026 10:19 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

But I'm sure you'll tell me I'm only 48 years and 11 months old, so
how would I know, heh.

Oh, I think your own words on the subject have said all that needs to
be said.

You are trying to make this about PCs.-a And even as such, Linux still
wins because it's the only platform that has the scalability for PCs
and everything else.

Joel: Linux wins. Linux wins. Linux wins.

DFS : Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel: Windows


Good one, "Linux advocate"!

Something tells me that Linux failed at allowing Joel to view some random homosexual porn. He had to migrate to Windows for this very important masturbation works he does.

This retarded cracker never shuts his piehole, Christ. Get a fucking
life, dumbshit, and turn in your invalid teaching license, fucking
psycho reject.
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Joel W. Crump
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On 2/28/2026 7:52 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:10:58 -0500, DFS wrote:

<snip list of Linux supercomputer installs>

I'm actually surprised by the appearance of Ubuntu in there.

Likely because of professional support from Canonical.

Unix did all the work, then GuhNoo came along and made a free clone.

I have no issue with this, why do you?

Various reasons: Stinkmeister Stallman, the GPL license, GuhNoo and FSF assholes demanding my code, constant cloning of commercial programs, low quality of so much FOSS, devs rarely if ever giving credit to Unix/Ritchie/Thompson/Kernighan.

Heck, Larry Pietraskiewicz ("The Maladroit from Detroit") alone is
almost enough to make you hate GuhNoo/Linux.

Joel: Linux wins. Linux wins. Linux wins.

DFS : Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel: Windows


Good one, "Linux advocate"!

Something tells me that Linux failed at allowing Joel to view some random homosexual porn. He had to migrate to Windows for this very important masturbation works he does.

LOL!

Not clear why he switched back to Windows. It's hard to get a straight
(no pun intended) answer from Joel, that you can also understand.


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On 3/1/2026 12:40 PM, DFS wrote:

On 2/28/2026 7:52 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 20:10:58 -0500, DFS wrote:

Joel:-a Linux wins.-a Linux wins.-a Linux wins.

DFS :-a Hey Joel, what OS are you running?

Joel:-a Windows


Good one, "Linux advocate"!

Something tells me that Linux failed at allowing Joel to view some random
homosexual porn. He had to migrate to Windows for this very important
masturbation works he does.

LOL!

Not clear why he switched back to Windows.-a It's hard to get a straight
(no pun intended) answer from Joel, that you can also understand.

I already explained, I was putting Win11 on *temporarily* to run Norton
for a specific task. I was gonna put Debian right back on afterward. I changed my mind. EOF.
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Joel W. Crump
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-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in news:10nthea$30s91$1@dont-email.me:

On 2/27/26 19:37, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 3:45 PM, -hh wrote:

I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM
and 512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. -aThat's real value.

Maybe.-a It depends on several factors.

First one is what the system is actually capable of.-a One would
need to geek out on hardware & benchmarks to know how much bang one
is getting for that buck, because its more than merely RAM &
Storage.

Second, is your find still even available at this price today?-a The
AI boom has raised prices on RAM, SSDs, HDDs, etc, so you may have
an anomaly that you shouldn't try to generalize claims from.

Similar products would still be a relatively good value by today's
prices.

Prices which are ... conveniently absent.

Third, what is the value price point for other systems which have
greater computational capabilities?-a See benchmarks, and just
because this one is satisfactory for you don't make that true for
all other users too.-a This is why I asked you to "put a number on
it".

Whatever.

There's products besides just the one that you personally care about,
and an appropriate "good value" assessment for every last permutation.

Fourth, you've already spent substantially much more than just $190,
because you've posted about making multiple purchases:-a from a
lifecycle cost standpoint, what's been the sum of all of your costs
over the past three years?-a $1400?-a More?-a Point here is that
there's also customer value in not having to replace stuff as
frequently as you already have. See the adage:-a "penny wise and
dollar foolish".

It was an unusual, unexpected situation, with my box being destroyed
at a young age.-a I thus already had the monitor and other things to
connect to it.-a Your abstract analysis really doesn't apply.

Doesn't matter for lifecycle cost analysis, & it isn't abstract at
all.

<https://us.caddi.com/resources/insights/lifecycle-costing>

Applied, it helps to avoid the mistake of picking the cheapest initial option, as it may result in higher long-term costs. You've been a
poster child on displaying this "penny wise, dollar foolish" behavior.

-hh

Holy fucknozzle !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you serious with that over the top, unecessay, boring analysis?
Have you completed an analysis of which direction to put the toilet paper
on the holder yet?
I pray that you aren't in a marketing or sales type job role because you
will fail miserably as roles such as marketing or sales, for example, effectiveness often depends on delivering clear, focused messages rather
than exhaustive analysis.

I'm curious but do other guests avoid you at the holiday season office
party?
That should be a clue as to how boring you are.
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On 2/25/26 6:45 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 16:44, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt >>>> really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use
that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC
airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other
obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser
and some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS have
the widest range of comparability available apps and websites. For
example, what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

One thing you've never understood about me, Tom:

I don't lie.

Really? But you do. When embarrassed by telling truth your deflect. Lies
by omission are lies.
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On 2/27/26 1:45 PM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 09:54, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:44 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 09:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/27/2026 9:02 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/27/26 07:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided >>>>>>>>>>>> not to make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on >>>>>>>>>>>> their brand, again. But that's as you say based on running >>>>>>>>>>>> specific apps. Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Merely using humor to illustrate your statement's logical fallacy.

That is, unless you actually _do_ own a supercomputer...?-a-a /s

For someone who's actually paying to create a supercomputer
cluster, these are invariably mostly custom one-offs where paying
third party licensing fees and dealing with customization
restrictions on same are handicaps.-a As such, they pay in a
different fashion:-a to have a team of dedicated programmers who get >>>>> down into the weeds to make it all work.

TL;DR:
its not a simple mass produced off-the-shelf "appliance" product.

Why would M$ overcharge them for something that would get their
lousy product fame?

Because the value added of the "fame" isn't worth their cost.
Business 101.

The only reason I would mostly agree is that M$ has made their peace
with Linux.-a They know Winblows will never genuinely compete with it,
as an OS.-a They win on being mainstream and supporting apps (as my
recent decision to change my mind on the installation of Win11/Norton
being temporary illustrates).

Because no one can force Microsoft to develop & sell specific products.

They want Linux because it would actually serve their purposes,
regardless of cost.-a I'm not using Winblows because it's superior
software - it's not, it's inferior.-a I'm using it because I want
access to mIRC (without running Wine and defeating the benefit of
using Linux, and not even getting its full quality under Wine
anyway) and WhatsApp (and maybe other stuff that will present itself).

Which illustrates that you too have conducted a "make, or buy" decision. >>>
Yet you're denying others that some facility.-a How hypocritical of you.

I'm not denying anything, if they wanna pay Apple for junk hardware
and software, it's their wallet to set on fire.

Yes, you are trying to deny ... still.-a That's why you won't even throw
out a notional number for how much it is worth to have a system that's
twice as fast.

I paid $190 plus tax and financing for this mini PC with 16 GB RAM and
512 GB SSD, and Win11 Pro. -aThat's real value.

Maybe.-a It depends on several factors.

First one is what the system is actually capable of.-a One would need to geek out on hardware & benchmarks to know how much bang one is getting
for that buck, because its more than merely RAM & Storage.

Second, is your find still even available at this price today?-a The AI
boom has raised prices on RAM, SSDs, HDDs, etc, so you may have an
anomaly that you shouldn't try to generalize claims from.

Third, what is the value price point for other systems which have
greater computational capabilities?-a See benchmarks, and just because
this one is satisfactory for you don't make that true for all other
users too.-a This is why I asked you to "put a number on it".

Fourth, you've already spent substantially much more than just $190,
because you've posted about making multiple purchases:-a from a lifecycle cost standpoint, what's been the sum of all of your costs over the past three years?-a $1400?-a More?-a Point here is that there's also customer value in not having to replace stuff as frequently as you already have.
See the adage:-a "penny wise and dollar foolish".

-hh

Not to mention any time value of all the work trying to make Linux as
easy to use, hardware compatible, and capable as Windows and MacOS.

Linux is geek OS for bragging about not having to use Windows or Mac. Or business OS for expertly managed, highly specified, systems.

Not so much for the average person with no expertise or time to learn
where off-the-shelf software and hardware or more than sufficient.

If this is not the case where are the companies selling packaged consumer-friendly PC products to the masses? Would Dell or HP not love
to ditch Windows and avoid the Microsoft license fees?
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On 2026-03-02 20:37, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 6:45 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 16:44, Tom Elam wrote:

On 2/25/26 3:24 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-02-25 14:22, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 10:13:25 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

I have requirements that are Windows-Only.

Technology is just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

So stating your requirement in terms of a specific technology doesnrCOt >>>>> really make sense, does it?

Complete nonsense.

Is requirements are clearly related to applications he needs to use
that...

...only run on Windows!

Thank you Alan. I have a few Horizon Hobby utilities related to my RC
airplane hobby that are Windows-only. There are likely a lot of other
obscure apps that have the same issue. If all you need is a browser
and some Office-substitutes, OK. The fact is that Windows and iOS
have the widest range of comparability available apps and websites.
For example, what is the Linux app for Final Cut Pro?

One thing you've never understood about me, Tom:

I don't lie.

Really? But you do. When embarrassed by telling truth your deflect. Lies
by omission are lies.

What's your SSN, Liarboy?

If you don't answer, are you "lying by omission"?
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 21:53:12 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

Not to mention any time value of all the work trying to make Linux as
easy to use, hardware compatible, and capable as Windows and MacOS.

When a seasoned long-time Windows veteran decides to give Linux a try,
and tries his hardest to throw every weirdo bit of hardware he can
find at it to knock it over, and it remains bloodied but unbowed <https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-replace-windows-with-linux/>,
you know things are getting serious. It shows that some Windows fans
are getting increasingly desperate for a way out.

MacOS runs only on its own hardware, nothing else. Windows can run on
some, but not all, Linux hardware, and not at all on Apple hardware.
Linux is the only one that can run on hardware designed for the other
two platforms.
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On 2026-03-02 21:42, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 2 Mar 2026 21:53:12 -0700, Tom Elam wrote:

Not to mention any time value of all the work trying to make Linux as
easy to use, hardware compatible, and capable as Windows and MacOS.

When a seasoned long-time Windows veteran decides to give Linux a try,
and tries his hardest to throw every weirdo bit of hardware he can
find at it to knock it over, and it remains bloodied but unbowed <https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-replace-windows-with-linux/>,
you know things are getting serious. It shows that some Windows fans
are getting increasingly desperate for a way out.

No!

It means a very experienced tech writer...

'Ed Bott is an award-winning technology writer with more than three
decades' experience writing for mainstream media outlets and online publications. He has served as editor of the U.S. edition of PC
Computing and managing editor of PC World; both publications had monthly
paid circulation in excess of 1 million during his tenure. He is the
author of more than 25 books, including Windows 10 Inside Out (now in
its 4th edition) and Windows 11 Inside Out (2023).'

...was able to make it work, but even HE had this to say:

'Was it easy? That's not exactly the way I'd describe my experience,
which required a lot of stops and starts and a painful amount of time
copying complicated, unfamiliar commands and pasting them into terminal windows to get things like a built-in webcam working.'

And:

'How hard is the installation process?

If you can create a bootable flash drive, you can probably get Linux up
and running on your former (x86-based) Windows PC. In fact, I set up
both of my test machines as dual-boot installations. Mostly, everything
works. Did you notice I said mostly? Yeah, not everything works.'

AND:

'All in all, this was not a friction-free experience. I do not recommend
it for novices or for anyone who wants a PC that is easy to operate and troubleshoot. But if you're a reasonably knowledgeable PC hobbyist and
you're willing to accept a learning curve that includes time in a
terminal session, Linux is a perfectly acceptable alternative.'

MacOS runs only on its own hardware, nothing else. Windows can run on
some, but not all, Linux hardware, and not at all on Apple hardware.
Linux is the only one that can run on hardware designed for the other
two platforms.

Ordinary computer users DO NOT CARE, nor should they.


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On 2026-02-27 04:43, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/26/2026 6:39 AM, -hh wrote:

On 2/25/26 22:19, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 2/25/2026 9:49 PM, Alan wrote:

I just the other day put Win11 on my computer and decided not to >>>>>>> make in temporary as planned.-a M$ has sold me on their brand,
again. But that's as you say based on running specific apps.
Linux is still the superior OS.

Based on what facts?

Uh maybe that supercomputers run Linux?

That's an indication that:

1. Linux is inexpensive.

Oh yeah that must be it.

Well, it certainly isn't because you own a supercomputer.

Typical -hh snarky-fag response.

Typical acne-faced adolescent response...
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