So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
On 17.02.26 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Simple solution: American cars are low quality crap anyway, do not buy them.
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
On 2026-02-17 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Well, in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not
reliable. Several brands were thinking about dropping it. What would be
the replacement? Big question.
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Toyota GR Supra - has Car Play, not Android auto.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've
had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've
had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with
the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes
it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have
to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my
voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has
its own problems.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've >>> had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with
the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes
it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have
to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to
pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my
voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not
knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has
its own problems.
I have never experienced any of this with Apple CarPlay on either my 2023 Toyota Highlander or my wiferCOs 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC300. Maybe itrCOs your phone.
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:50, badgolferman wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable. >>>>>Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've >>>>> had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with
the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes >>>> it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have >>>> to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to >>>> pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my
voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not >>>> knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has >>>> its own problems.
I have never experienced any of this with Apple CarPlay on either my 2023 >>> Toyota Highlander or my wiferCOs 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC300. Maybe itrCOs your
phone.
Not Apple. Android.
Yes, Android. That system is notorious for dropped Bluetooth connections, especially in the cheaper phones. Is there someone in your household with
an iPhone which you could test your car with?
On 02/17/2026 12:01 AM, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to removeExactly what is mean by remove iphone and Android?
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Remove the ability to connect to the radio by Bluetooth?
Remove the USB port?
On 2026-02-17 13:02, Theo wrote:
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
Yes, I have a USB stick for the car with over 1,000 tracks.-a One problem though, unless you use a randomised play order, on most journeys you
would only hear a small selection of them from the beginning.-a Further, unfortunately on my car stereo the randomised option is lost whenever
you turn off the stereo, so you have to reenable it, and that means a
new list is created, which quite possibly will contain tracks that
you've already heard earlier that day.
On 2026-02-17 14:14, Java Jive wrote:
On 2026-02-17 13:02, Theo wrote:
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
Yes, I have a USB stick for the car with over 1,000 tracks.-a One
problem though, unless you use a randomised play order, on most
journeys you would only hear a small selection of them from the
beginning.-a Further, unfortunately on my car stereo the randomised
option is lost whenever you turn off the stereo, so you have to
reenable it, and that means a new list is created, which quite
possibly will contain tracks that you've already heard earlier that day.
My car remembers the position on the list, at least for a time. I'm not
sure what it does if I unplug the stick.
On 2026-02-17 14:00, badgolferman wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:50, badgolferman wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable. >>>>>>Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've >>>>>> had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with >>>>> the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes >>>>> it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have >>>>> to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to >>>>> pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my >>>>> voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not >>>>> knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has >>>>> its own problems.
I have never experienced any of this with Apple CarPlay on either my 2023 >>>> Toyota Highlander or my wiferCOs 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC300. Maybe itrCOs your
phone.
Not Apple. Android.
Yes, Android. That system is notorious for dropped Bluetooth connections,
especially in the cheaper phones. Is there someone in your household with
an iPhone which you could test your car with?
Nope.
I have an expensive BT earphone that connects to my phone and my laptop. After a few days, it connects to the computer and drops instantly.
However, a cheap BT earphone connects fine to the same laptop.
Also, the same phone works fine with a recent version of the same car,
via cable, without asking to connect via BT previously.
Same expensive BT earphones connect fine to an LG TV set.
The cheap BT earphones can suffer short cutoffs.
BT connections are always touch and go. Sometimes they work, some times
they don't. Randomly.
In comp.mobile.android Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
It's not a rumour, it's their stated position for 3 years: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-dropping-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-from-2024-evs/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-kills-more-than-carplay-support-it-kills-choice/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/gm-justifies-decision-to-ditch-apple-carplay-due-to-stability-issues/
(of course, 'new EVs' has turned into 'new cars' generally)
They want you to stay in their ecosystem where they can get revenue from
you, eg for subscriptions and to sell your data to advertisers.
You can listen to music, but it's on whatever streaming apps they get around to providing - or they can cut deals with.
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
On 2026-02-17 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Well, in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not
reliable. Several brands were thinking about dropping it. What would be
the replacement? Big question.
On 2026-02-17 11:13, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-02-17 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:ChatGPT lists other cars going this route:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Well, in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not
reliable. Several brands were thinking about dropping it. What would be
the replacement? Big question.
Tesla (Model 3, Model Y, Model S/X)
Rivian (R1T, R1S)
General Motors (Chevrolet, GMC, Cadillac, Buick - gradually going out.
But they may have Apple music.
Toyota GR Supra - has Car Play, not Android auto.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Toyota GR Supra - has Car Play, not Android auto.
Odd, my Toyota GR C-HR (2025) has both.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh? Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've
had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've >>> had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with
the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes
it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have
to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to
pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my
voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not
knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has
its own problems.
I have never experienced any of this with Apple CarPlay on either my 2023 Toyota Highlander or my wiferCOs 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC300. Maybe itrCOs your phone.
On 2026-02-17 13:48, knuttle wrote:
On 02/17/2026 12:01 AM, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to removeExactly what is mean by remove iphone and Android?
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company.-a This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Remove the ability to connect to the radio by Bluetooth?
Remove the USB port?
Remove Car Play and Android Car
On 17.02.26 12:50, badgolferman wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-17 12:04, Andy Burns wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
in my experience the Android Car thing is almost crap. Not reliable.
Huh?-a Android Auto is better than any OEM satnav/multimedia system I've >>>> had in a car, wireless (whether native or with a dongle) is the
finishing touch.
It often fails to start. I have to manually tell the car to pair with
the BT of my phone, and sometimes I need to reboot my phone. Sometimes
it forgets the pairing with my phone, blue led flashes fast, and I have
to delete in the phone the BT of Android Car and re-pair.
Plugging the USB cable works better, somewhat. Still needs the car BT to >>> pair.
I can not tell the thing a destination by voice, it doesn't detect my
voice. Can not answer Wasaps. some days it works.
Crashes, leaving me with no map. Sometimes a critical crossroads, so not >>> knowing what route to take.
Fortunately, I have a TomTom navigator which is more reliable, but has
its own problems.
I have never experienced any of this with Apple CarPlay on either my 2023
Toyota Highlander or my wiferCOs 2020 Mercedes-Benz GLC300. Maybe itrCOs your
phone.
... and the old car.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
It's not a rumour, it's their stated position for 3 years:
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-dropping-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-from-2024-evs/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-kills-more-than-carplay-support-it-kills-choice/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/gm-justifies-decision-to-ditch-apple-carplay-due-to-stability-issues/
(of course, 'new EVs' has turned into 'new cars' generally)
They want you to stay in their ecosystem where they can get revenue from
you, eg for subscriptions and to sell your data to advertisers.
And planned obsolescence. You can guarantee that a 10 yo car won't work properly. It's bad enough with built-in satnavs not getting updates, but if you won't even get the radio that's terrible.
I have a perfectly good samsung TV where the streaming capability failed overnight following an "update". Had to get a Roku for streaming to work again.
You can listen to music, but it's on whatever streaming apps they get around >> to providing - or they can cut deals with.
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
Yup.
I have restarted my DVD collection as well.
For instance, on a rotunda the "turn right" comes after I did turn
right, with Google Maps.
On 02/17/2026 12:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
For instance, on a rotunda the "turn right" comes after I did turn
right, with Google Maps.
Back in the day when I still had a Blackberry Storm (prior to iPhone 4),
I installed my first GPS navigation program -- Waze. My wife and kids
and I were going to someone's house in Smithfield, VA. We arrived at a
three way intersection where I was the one who had to make a turn. Waze
kept telling me to go straight, but I could see there was no road there.
They had begun to clear the land for housing construction, but no road
had been built. My wife kept telling me I have to go straight but I
refused to drive the car into a ditch. I finally made a right hand turn
and after about 50 yards Waze finally adjusted the route.
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:[...]
BT connections are always touch and go. Sometimes they work, some times they don't. Randomly.
I'm strongly of the opinion that BT is not fit for purpose. *Unless* you
only ever use it with one device and one computer.
It's not a rumour, it's their stated position for 3 years: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-dropping-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-from-2024-evs/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-kills-more-than-carplay-support-it-kills-choice/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/gm-justifies-decision-to-ditch-apple-carplay-due-to-stability-issues/
(of course, 'new EVs' has turned into 'new cars' generally)
They want you to stay in their ecosystem where they can get revenue from
you, eg for subscriptions and to sell your data to advertisers.
You can listen to music, but it's on whatever streaming apps they get around to providing - or they can cut deals with.
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
And planned obsolescence. You can guarantee that a 10 yo car won't work properly. It's bad enough with built-in satnavs not getting updates, but if you won't even get the radio that's terrible.
I have a perfectly good samsung TV where the streaming capability failed overnight following an "update". Had to get a Roku for streaming to work again.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
And planned obsolescence. You can guarantee that a 10 yo car won't work
properly. It's bad enough with built-in satnavs not getting updates, but if >> you won't even get the radio that's terrible.
I have a perfectly good samsung TV where the streaming capability failed
overnight following an "update". Had to get a Roku for streaming to work
again.
Indeed. I had/have a Philips TV, which was a 'SmartTV', but became non-smart rather quickly as its apps were no longer updated or/and
stopped working.
So I switched to universal devices - computer, tablet, smartphone - on which I *could* update/replace programs and streamed the video/audio to
my TV via a Google Chromecast.
When the Google Chromecast temporarily went out of action - some certificate problem - I bought a Google TV Streamer, i.e. something
similar to your Roku.
So now I have a nearly 16 year old 'TV', which is basically a--
multi-input monitor, which I could 'upgrade' with a relatively cheap
Google TV Streamer, instead of replacing it a a much higher cost.
And yes, the Google TV Streamer will become 'obsolete' as well, sooner
or later, but I'd rather bear the cost of replacing a 'cheap' device
than an expensive one.
Shall I tell you how old our car is!? :-)
[...]
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:[...]
BT connections are always touch and go. Sometimes they work, some times >>> they don't. Randomly.
I'm strongly of the opinion that BT is not fit for purpose. *Unless* you
only ever use it with one device and one computer.
+1
Especially if one or both sides of the Bluetooth connection doesn't/
don't have a display/button to say what's (not) going on and to (not)
approve the connection.
Also the pain of devices, automatically and (mostly) silently, making
a connection to a device which you do *not* want to connect to.
On 17.02.26 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Simple solution: American cars are low quality crap anyway, do not buy them.
In comp.mobile.android Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
It's not a rumour, it's their stated position for 3 years: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-confirms-its-dropping-apple-carplay-and-android-auto-from-2024-evs/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/03/gm-kills-more-than-carplay-support-it-kills-choice/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/gm-justifies-decision-to-ditch-apple-carplay-due-to-stability-issues/
(of course, 'new EVs' has turned into 'new cars' generally)
They want you to stay in their ecosystem where they can get revenue from
you, eg for subscriptions and to sell your data to advertisers.
You can listen to music, but it's on whatever streaming apps they get around to providing - or they can cut deals with.
A big folder of MP3s does have its advantages...
On 2/16/26 11:25 PM, J||rg Lorenz wrote:
On 17.02.26 06:01, Pluted Pup wrote:
So the General Motors car company is rumored to remove
support for cars for iphone and android, stating
they want a proprietary system with an internet
company. This sounds like they want the exclusive
right to the music played in your car, and you can't
listen to your own.
Simple solution: American cars are low quality crap anyway, do not buy them.
Better advice is to oppose Google's power grab.
They may have forced themselves on GM, as
Google has more political power than any car
company.
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