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This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now
it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now
is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway,

Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want
to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make
phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for
its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

So, is there any way of knowing if any generic, no name sort of tablet
may have working VoLTE on any particular provider?

It really is a rather messy can of worms isn't it?!
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Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now
it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now
is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway,

Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want
to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make
phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for
its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

So, is there any way of knowing if any generic, no name sort of tablet
may have working VoLTE on any particular provider?

It really is a rather messy can of worms isn't it?!

No, just the transition to a new technology.
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Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now
it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now
is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway,

Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want
to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make
phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for
its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

So, is there any way of knowing if any generic, no name sort of tablet
may have working VoLTE on any particular provider?

It really is a rather messy can of worms isn't it?!

No, just the transition to a new technology.

3G just worked or didn't. If you had a 3G phone (for the right region probably) it worked. You didn't have to look in a list of what
providers supported which phones to see if it would work for you.

Well, 3G was invented nearly 25 years ago.

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever, if
they want to introduce newer technologies and re-use frequencies for
newer standards.

Now we have 4G and 5G and with a device which is 5 or 10 years old, you
should expect issues like this. We don't live in a world any longer,
were technical standards exist for 50 years or longer.

It's similar to ISDN - this was also phased out in most countries and
replaced by VoIP. The hardware needed for the infrastructure is just not produced any longer, similar to 3G.
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Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

For VoWiFi though, I think you're right, they're unlikely to support it.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

For VoWiFi though, I think you're right, they're unlikely to support it.

Some providers seem to equate the two as regards support, i.e. the
list of supported VoLTE phones is the same list as the list of
supported VoWifi phones.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now
it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now
is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway,

Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want
to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make
phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for
its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

Exactly!!! They wont work. They'll access 4G data (what for?) and
that will be about it. Actually most of them will probably provide
calls and SMS using 2G won't they?

So, is there any way of knowing if any generic, no name sort of tablet >>> may have working VoLTE on any particular provider?

It really is a rather messy can of worms isn't it?!

No, just the transition to a new technology.

3G just worked or didn't. If you had a 3G phone (for the right region probably) it worked. You didn't have to look in a list of what
providers supported which phones to see if it would work for you.

Well, 3G was invented nearly 25 years ago.

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever, if
they want to introduce newer technologies and re-use frequencies for
newer standards.

I didn't say they should. The issue is that 4G voice isn't a standard
service like 3G voice was.

Now we have 4G and 5G and with a device which is 5 or 10 years old, you should expect issues like this. We don't live in a world any longer,
were technical standards exist for 50 years or longer.

It's similar to ISDN - this was also phased out in most countries and replaced by VoIP. The hardware needed for the infrastructure is just not produced any longer, similar to 3G.

All irrelevant. Yes, old technology is discontinued but the new should
work as well, if not better. The reality of VoLTE is that it works
for some phones on some services and it's not all the same phones on
all services. A buyer shoud be able to buy a 4G phone and expect it
to work on 4G, except that he needs to know that 4G capability doesn't
mean tha ability to make phone calls (a bit fundamental for a phone I
would have thought!). Even if the buyer knows that VoLTE is needed
then it's still pot luck, a phone that is VoLTE capable **may** work
with a provider of VoLTE service but there's no certainty about it.
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Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now >>>>> it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now >>>>> is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway, >>>>>
Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want >>>>> to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make
phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for >>>>> its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >>>> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the >>>> specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

Exactly!!! They wont work. They'll access 4G data (what for?) and
that will be about it. Actually most of them will probably provide
calls and SMS using 2G won't they?

No. Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G and not an option. Without
VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network.

[...]

work as well, if not better. The reality of VoLTE is that it works
for some phones on some services and it's not all the same phones on
all services. A buyer shoud be able to buy a 4G phone and expect it
to work on 4G, except that he needs to know that 4G capability doesn't
mean tha ability to make phone calls (a bit fundamental for a phone I
would have thought!). Even if the buyer knows that VoLTE is needed
then it's still pot luck, a phone that is VoLTE capable **may** work
with a provider of VoLTE service but there's no certainty about it.

Then give the phone back if it does not work and get another one. You
can send the phones back to Amazon if they don't work as expected.
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Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >>>> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the >>>> specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >>>> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the >>>> specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

... and certainly neither of my 4G smartphones (which aren't listed as supported) can make calls. So, if the list of supported phones is to
be believed the Nokia 105 wouldn't work with my provider.

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some
providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now >>>>> it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now >>>>> is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway, >>>>>
Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want >>>>> to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make >>>>> phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for >>>>> its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >>>> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the >>>> specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

Exactly!!! They wont work. They'll access 4G data (what for?) and
that will be about it. Actually most of them will probably provide
calls and SMS using 2G won't they?

No. Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G and not an option. Without
VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network.

?? "Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G". No it's not, that's the
whole problem. There are lots and lots of phones out there (I have
two) which support 4G but can't make calls using 4G. All that 4G is
useful for on these phones is for data, i.e. internet browsing and such.

"Without VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network", you
said it! :-)

All the 'simple 4G phones' that I can see on Amazon have 2G coverage
as well so, almost certainly, that's how they make phone calls. I even
found a review of one of them that said exactly that, although the
phone claimed to be 4G it only actually worked for making phone calls
using 2G.

[...]

work as well, if not better. The reality of VoLTE is that it works
for some phones on some services and it's not all the same phones on
all services. A buyer shoud be able to buy a 4G phone and expect it
to work on 4G, except that he needs to know that 4G capability doesn't
mean tha ability to make phone calls (a bit fundamental for a phone I
would have thought!). Even if the buyer knows that VoLTE is needed
then it's still pot luck, a phone that is VoLTE capable **may** work
with a provider of VoLTE service but there's no certainty about it.

Then give the phone back if it does not work and get another one. You
can send the phones back to Amazon if they don't work as expected.

Yes, but one could go through a heck of a lot of wasted time buying and returning phones. Without any clear guidance as to which '4G' phones
will actually be able to make phone calls it's a minefield.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> writes:

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever

Why not? And why can't they get the new technology working before they
switch off the old one?
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Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> writes:

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever

Why not? And why can't they get the new technology working before they
switch off the old one?

Yes, it's that second that seems to me to be the problem with 4G
calls, it's nowhere near universally working yet.
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On 2026-02-12 13:51, Richmond wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> writes:

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever

Why not?

Because.

The new technology is designed with removal of the old technology in
mind. Get over it.

And why can't they get the new technology working before they
switch off the old one?

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> writes:

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> writes:

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever

Why not? And why can't they get the new technology working before
they switch off the old one?

Yes, it's that second that seems to me to be the problem with 4G
calls, it's nowhere near universally working yet.

For a long time I had my phone set to 2G because it was the only
reliable way to receive calls. O2 didn't allow wifi calling, purely as a
matter of policy. Then they switched of 2G and 3G, but switched on Wifi calling. But I am paying for my Wifi, not O2. I am surely it all works
out nicely for them.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but now >>>>> it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we have now >>>>> is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my provider anyway, >>>>>
Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't want >>>>> to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able to make >>>>> phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way except for >>>>> its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!) provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these >>>> are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the >>>> specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

Exactly!!! They wont work. They'll access 4G data (what for?) and
that will be about it. Actually most of them will probably provide
calls and SMS using 2G won't they?

No. Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G and not an option. Without
VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network.

The problem is not 'support', it's 'provisioning'. VoLTE needs to be provisioned by the network in an IMS profile. If the network decides not to send the profile then VoLTE isn't activated. If the network hasn't
whitelisted the phone model (which a no-name from China won't be) then no profile is sent and the phone doesn't active VoLTE. I've heard that
different phone brands provision VoLTE in different ways[1] so how to
provision isn't standardised (but I don't know the details).

GrapheneOS recently added a toggle so you can force provisioning of VoLTE
even if the network hasn't sent the profile. There may be hacks (requiring root) for other brands/OSes, I'm not sure what's out there. I'm unaware of
a phone brand who provides a force-provisioning toggle in their standard OS.

Then give the phone back if it does not work and get another one. You
can send the phones back to Amazon if they don't work as expected.

It's more difficult because you can't always tell if VoLTE is provisioned everywhere. There's an Android shortcode *#*#INFO#*#* you can dial which
tells you if it is, but that may be specific to the towers at a given
location and doesn't work on all phones.

Theo

[1] Possibly some use IMS and some phone home to a vendor server? In the latter case the network now has to push their profiles to the phone vendor.
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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient. >>>>

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

... and certainly neither of my 4G smartphones (which aren't listed as supported) can make calls. So, if the list of supported phones is to
be believed the Nokia 105 wouldn't work with my provider.

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some
providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.

Excuse me, but in which third world country is this?

As said, a 4G *phone* *must* do VoLTE and a mobile provider which uses
4G with no 3G or 2G fallback for calls/SMS *must* provide VoLTE.

Anyway, just pick a phone to your liking and then go to the
manufacturer's website with the *detailed* product number - i.e. not
just a 'name' - and look up the specs to see which technologies and
bands it has. If it doesn't give this info, select another manufacturer
which does.

Now with a right selected phone, select a matching provider. If they
don't 'support' your phone, while they say they use its technology and
bands, tell them to get a life and take your business elsewhere.

FYI, ever since the later 90s, I have *never* checked/asked my
providers if they 'support' my mobile phones. Why on earth would I!?
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On 2026-02-12 16:00, Theo wrote:

It's more difficult because you can't always tell if VoLTE is provisioned everywhere. There's an Android shortcode *#*#INFO#*#* you can dial which tells you if it is, but that may be specific to the towers at a given location and doesn't work on all phones.

I can not type letters in my phone dial. Only the numbers. Long press on

4
GHI

only produces a long beep and the number 4. There must be a trick I have forgotten.

It's a motorola G52.

Ah, I remember. You just type the numbers:4636. It is an USA method.

It produces a menu.

Data is 4G, voice is LTE.

Volte is ready but greyed out.

Theo

[1] Possibly some use IMS and some phone home to a vendor server? In the latter case the network now has to push their profiles to the phone vendor.

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data, it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

... and certainly neither of my 4G smartphones (which aren't listed as supported) can make calls. So, if the list of supported phones is to
be believed the Nokia 105 wouldn't work with my provider.

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some
providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.

Excuse me, but in which third world country is this?

As said, a 4G *phone* *must* do VoLTE and a mobile provider which uses
4G with no 3G or 2G fallback for calls/SMS *must* provide VoLTE.

Well it's simply not true here in the UK and, as far as I know through
the whole of Europe.

Anyway, just pick a phone to your liking and then go to the
manufacturer's website with the *detailed* product number - i.e. not
just a 'name' - and look up the specs to see which technologies and
bands it has. If it doesn't give this info, select another manufacturer
which does.

Now with a right selected phone, select a matching provider. If they
don't 'support' your phone, while they say they use its technology and
bands, tell them to get a life and take your business elsewhere.

FYI, ever since the later 90s, I have *never* checked/asked my
providers if they 'support' my mobile phones. Why on earth would I!?

Exactly! However, as I say, I have two 4G capable devices neither of
which can make phone calls now that 3G has gone. (2G has never had
coverage here). I didn't expect to have to check but having found out
that 4G doesn't mean a device can make calls I'm not aiming to be
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[...]

"Without VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network", you
said it! :-)

All the 'simple 4G phones' that I can see on Amazon have 2G coverage
as well so, almost certainly, that's how they make phone calls. I even
found a review of one of them that said exactly that, although the
phone claimed to be 4G it only actually worked for making phone calls
using 2G.

I mentioned the Nokia 105 - this is a very cheap 4G phone which *does*
support VoLTE for 4G:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021>

And you get this on Amazon as well:

<https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0DYPF44B3/ref=sr_1_1>
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Carlos E. R., 2026-02-12 20:10:

[...]

It produces a menu.

Data is 4G, voice is LTE.

LTE *is* 4G.
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Richmond, 2026-02-12 13:51:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> writes:

Mobile network providers can not keep old standards running forever

Why not? And why can't they get the new technology working before they
switch off the old one?

I explained this - because the hardware for the infrastructure is not manufactured any longer and because they need the frequencies of 3G for
5G as well.
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Chris Green, 2026-02-12 13:44:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

[...]

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

The Nokia 215 4G is also quite affordable - less than 100 -u.
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Chris Green, 2026-02-12 13:38:

[...]

"Without VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network", you
said it! :-)

All the 'simple 4G phones' that I can see on Amazon have 2G coverage
as well so, almost certainly, that's how they make phone calls. I even found a review of one of them that said exactly that, although the
phone claimed to be 4G it only actually worked for making phone calls
using 2G.

I mentioned the Nokia 105 - this is a very cheap 4G phone which *does* support VoLTE for 4G:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021>

And you get this on Amazon as well:

<https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0DYPF44B3/ref=sr_1_1>

But, as I pointed out, it's not listed as supported by my provider,
who **do** list other non-smart Mokia phones as supported. Thus, if I
am to believe my provider, it's **not** supported.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 13:44:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

[...]

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

The Nokia 215 4G is also quite affordable - less than 100 -u.

Yes, so **one** Nokia non-smart phone is supported and others aren't.
This is the problem, other providers have different lists so, while
the Nokia 215 4G is supported by my provider it most likely isnn't
supported by other ones.

I don't want a non-smart phone anyway. I'm just trying to point out
that a phone which works with VoLTE on one provider may well not work
with VoLTE on another provider. As I understand it there are several
different ways to make VoLTE work and different phones and different
providers use various ways to make VoLTE work. As a result phone A
that works on provider A may well not work on provider B.
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On 2026-02-13 09:10, Arno Welzel wrote:

Carlos E. R., 2026-02-12 20:10:

[...]

It produces a menu.

Data is 4G, voice is LTE.

LTE *is* 4G.

Whatever. It is the phone itself who prints that "Data is 4G, voice is LTE".
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On 2026-02-12 11:41, Chris Green wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

Well I'm not sure about that. I bought my Samsung Tablet in 2016
believing it was 4G, only to discover later that it was not VoLTE and
since the death of 2/3G no longer can make calls.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Yes, I think you're right. It's rather like in the UK the TVs sold as
'HD' but actually were only 'almost HD' - they could display a signal
from an HD source but not at the full HD resolution - or those sold as
'HD' because they could display a full HD picture from an external
source, but only had SD internal tuners!
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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

On 2026-02-12 11:41, Chris Green wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

Well I'm not sure about that. I bought my Samsung Tablet in 2016
believing it was 4G, only to discover later that it was not VoLTE and
since the death of 2/3G no longer can make calls.

Absolutely, exactly what I have been moaning about! Your tablet can
use 4G data but can't make 4G calls.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Yes, I think you're right. It's rather like in the UK the TVs sold as
'HD' but actually were only 'almost HD' - they could display a signal
from an HD source but not at the full HD resolution - or those sold as 'HD' because they could display a full HD picture from an external
source, but only had SD internal tuners!

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they? >> They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data, it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as
follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

... and certainly neither of my 4G smartphones (which aren't listed as supported) can make calls. So, if the list of supported phones is to
be believed the Nokia 105 wouldn't work with my provider.

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.

Excuse me, but in which third world country is this?

As said, a 4G *phone* *must* do VoLTE and a mobile provider which uses
4G with no 3G or 2G fallback for calls/SMS *must* provide VoLTE.

Well it's simply not true here in the UK and, as far as I know through
the whole of Europe.

Well, I live in The Netherlands, and my *2016* Huawei Y5 phone, which
I bought in Australia, did VoLTE perfectly fine when my provider
(Vodafone) switched off 3G in 2020. And our newer 4G phones also do
VoLTE.

As several UK posters seem to indicate, this might be a UK problem.

Anyway, just pick a phone to your liking and then go to the manufacturer's website with the *detailed* product number - i.e. not
just a 'name' - and look up the specs to see which technologies and
bands it has. If it doesn't give this info, select another manufacturer which does.

Now with a right selected phone, select a matching provider. If they don't 'support' your phone, while they say they use its technology and bands, tell them to get a life and take your business elsewhere.

Can any other UK posters comment on this 'support' nonsense?

FYI, ever since the later 90s, I have *never* checked/asked my
providers if they 'support' my mobile phones. Why on earth would I!?

Exactly! However, as I say, I have two 4G capable devices neither of
which can make phone calls now that 3G has gone. (2G has never had
coverage here). I didn't expect to have to check but having found out
that 4G doesn't mean a device can make calls I'm not aiming to be
bitten again.

You now talk about two devices, but I thought you initially mentioned
only one, a tablet.

So what *are* your "two 4G capable devices? Please give some details
as to brand, model, year, etc..

If they are both tablets, this might well be a tablet issue, because,
as we said, a 4G *phone* *must* have VoLTE.

Coming to think of it, is it possible that your "'no name' tablet",
doesn't have the right 4G *frequency bands* and that it never actually
used 4G, but now has to, as 3G is switched off?

Especially cheap devices do not have all the bands which more
expensive devices have and if it was a device for another geographic
area it might not have the right bands. That's why I bought my Huawei Y5
phone in Australia, so that it would have the correct bands for
Australia and (most of) the EU.

So when you're using your "'no name' tablet", does it actually say
'4G' in the top of the display when you're using mobile data? Yes or no?
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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:41:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel wrote:

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course these
are then only feature phones and not Android based devices. But for the
specific need to be able to do phone calls, that should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they? >> They wouldn't be called 4G phones if the couldn't do VoLTE.

What! That's surely not true. A 4G phone is one that can use 4G data,
it **may** do VoLTE as well but that's a separate issue.

Why should a phone which is *not* a smartphone do 4G data only?

Example:

<https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-105-4g-2021?sku=16VEGB11A01>

Nokia 105 - of course it supports VoLTE and it is quite cheap as well.

... and it's not listed as supported by my provider, so will it work
or not? The list of Nokia phones supported by my provider is as follows:-

HMD Fusion
HMD Skyline
Nokia 215 4G
Nokia G42

... and certainly neither of my 4G smartphones (which aren't listed as supported) can make calls. So, if the list of supported phones is to
be believed the Nokia 105 wouldn't work with my provider.

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.

Excuse me, but in which third world country is this?

As said, a 4G *phone* *must* do VoLTE and a mobile provider which uses 4G with no 3G or 2G fallback for calls/SMS *must* provide VoLTE.

Well it's simply not true here in the UK and, as far as I know through
the whole of Europe.

Well, I live in The Netherlands, and my *2016* Huawei Y5 phone, which
I bought in Australia, did VoLTE perfectly fine when my provider
(Vodafone) switched off 3G in 2020. And our newer 4G phones also do
VoLTE.

So you were lucky, that's fine! :-)

As several UK posters seem to indicate, this might be a UK problem.

Anyway, just pick a phone to your liking and then go to the manufacturer's website with the *detailed* product number - i.e. not
just a 'name' - and look up the specs to see which technologies and
bands it has. If it doesn't give this info, select another manufacturer which does.

Now with a right selected phone, select a matching provider. If they don't 'support' your phone, while they say they use its technology and bands, tell them to get a life and take your business elsewhere.

Can any other UK posters comment on this 'support' nonsense?

FYI, ever since the later 90s, I have *never* checked/asked my providers if they 'support' my mobile phones. Why on earth would I!?

Exactly! However, as I say, I have two 4G capable devices neither of
which can make phone calls now that 3G has gone. (2G has never had
coverage here). I didn't expect to have to check but having found out
that 4G doesn't mean a device can make calls I'm not aiming to be
bitten again.

You now talk about two devices, but I thought you initially mentioned
only one, a tablet.

So what *are* your "two 4G capable devices? Please give some details
as to brand, model, year, etc..

If they are both tablets, this might well be a tablet issue, because,
as we said, a 4G *phone* *must* have VoLTE.

Coming to think of it, is it possible that your "'no name' tablet",
doesn't have the right 4G *frequency bands* and that it never actually
used 4G, but now has to, as 3G is switched off?

It runs 4G data very well

Especially cheap devices do not have all the bands which more
expensive devices have and if it was a device for another geographic
area it might not have the right bands. That's why I bought my Huawei Y5 phone in Australia, so that it would have the correct bands for
Australia and (most of) the EU.

So when you're using your "'no name' tablet", does it actually say
'4G' in the top of the display when you're using mobile data? Yes or no?

Yes, and so dows the phone.
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Your tablet can
use 4G data but can't make 4G calls.

Many tablets can't make calls at all (even when they were 3G and the 3G networks were still running).
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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:

[...]

This is the whole issue, a phone may have VoLTE working with some providers but it's hit and miss which ones work with which providers.

Excuse me, but in which third world country is this?

As said, a 4G *phone* *must* do VoLTE and a mobile provider which uses
4G with no 3G or 2G fallback for calls/SMS *must* provide VoLTE.

Well it's simply not true here in the UK and, as far as I know through the whole of Europe.

Well, I live in The Netherlands, and my *2016* Huawei Y5 phone, which
I bought in Australia, did VoLTE perfectly fine when my provider
(Vodafone) switched off 3G in 2020. And our newer 4G phones also do
VoLTE.

So you were lucky, that's fine! :-)

'Lucky'? With three different phones in a row? I don't think so!

As several UK posters seem to indicate, this might be a UK problem.

[...]

Can any other UK posters comment on this 'support' nonsense?

[...]

FYI, ever since the later 90s, I have *never* checked/asked my providers if they 'support' my mobile phones. Why on earth would I!?

Exactly! However, as I say, I have two 4G capable devices neither of which can make phone calls now that 3G has gone. (2G has never had coverage here). I didn't expect to have to check but having found out that 4G doesn't mean a device can make calls I'm not aiming to be
bitten again.

So did you follow my/our advice to pick a candidate phone, look up the
specs on the manufacturer's site an then ask your provider for their
'support' of said phone?

After all, we don't have your kind of problems, so we can't do your
work for you.

You now talk about two devices, but I thought you initially mentioned only one, a tablet.

So what *are* your "two 4G capable devices? Please give some details
as to brand, model, year, etc..

Hmmm! So our devices work and your don't, but you don't give any
details?

If they are both tablets, this might well be a tablet issue, because,
as we said, a 4G *phone* *must* have VoLTE.

Coming to think of it, is it possible that your "'no name' tablet", doesn't have the right 4G *frequency bands* and that it never actually
used 4G, but now has to, as 3G is switched off?

It runs 4G data very well

Especially cheap devices do not have all the bands which more
expensive devices have and if it was a device for another geographic
area it might not have the right bands. That's why I bought my Huawei Y5 phone in Australia, so that it would have the correct bands for
Australia and (most of) the EU.

So when you're using your "'no name' tablet", does it actually say
'4G' in the top of the display when you're using mobile data? Yes or no?

Yes, and so dows the phone.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Your tablet can
use 4G data but can't make 4G calls.

Many tablets can't make calls at all (even when they were 3G and the 3G networks were still running).

Last time I was paying attention (a while back) Samsung tablets were capable
of making phone calls, while other brands weren't. I don't know if this is universal or if it's been dropped from more recent models.

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On 2026-02-13 22:01, Theo wrote:

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Your tablet can
use 4G data but can't make 4G calls.

Many tablets can't make calls at all (even when they were 3G and the 3G
networks were still running).

Last time I was paying attention (a while back) Samsung tablets were capable of making phone calls, while other brands weren't. I don't know if this is universal or if it's been dropped from more recent models.

Yes, for some time it was my only phone, but I bought a Pixel 8a a
little before the local 2/3G was removed thus disabling the Samsung.
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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Chris Green wrote:

Your tablet can
use 4G data but can't make 4G calls.

Many tablets can't make calls at all (even when they were 3G and the 3G networks were still running).

Last time I was paying attention (a while back) Samsung tablets were capable of making phone calls, while other brands weren't. I don't know if this is universal or if it's been dropped from more recent models.

My no-name tablet is perfectly capable of making phone calls on 2G and
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2026 12:38:17 +0000, Chris Green wrote:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 12:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-12 09:38:

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

Chris Green, 2026-02-11 21:48:

This is suddenly becoming more impportant now that 3G is rapidly
disappearing. My 'no name' tablet used to work fine at home but
now it doesn't. We used to have good 3G coverage here, what we
have now is mediocre 4G and my tablet can't do VoLTE with my
provider anyway,

Being a cheapskate and not being a big mobile/cell user I don't
want to spend hundreds of pounds on a new device just to ba able
to make phone calls. My -u99 10" tablet is excellent in every way
except for its lack of VoLTE support on my (very cheap!)
provider.

At Amazon you find cheap 4G phones starting around -u40. Of course
these are then only feature phones and not Android based devices.
But for the specific need to be able to do phone calls, that
should be sufficient.

... and they almost certainly won't do VoLTE or VoWiFi will they?
They certainly aren't listed as such by any of the providers I've
looked at?

Without VoLTE these phones wouldn't work at all in modern networks,
since GSM is switched off already in many countries and 4G/5G is the
only option left.

Exactly!!! They wont work. They'll access 4G data (what for?) and
that will be about it. Actually most of them will probably provide
calls and SMS using 2G won't they?

No. Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G and not an option. Without
VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network.

?? "Supporting VoLTE is *required* in 4G". No it's not, that's the whole problem. There are lots and lots of phones out there (I have two) which support 4G but can't make calls using 4G. All that 4G is useful for on
these phones is for data, i.e. internet browsing and such.

"Without VoLTE you can not do phone calls at all in a 4G network", you
said it! :-)

All the 'simple 4G phones' that I can see on Amazon have 2G coverage as
well so, almost certainly, that's how they make phone calls. I even
found a review of one of them that said exactly that, although the phone claimed to be 4G it only actually worked for making phone calls using
2G.

[...]

work as well, if not better. The reality of VoLTE is that it works
for some phones on some services and it's not all the same phones on
all services. A buyer shoud be able to buy a 4G phone and expect it
to work on 4G, except that he needs to know that 4G capability
doesn't mean tha ability to make phone calls (a bit fundamental for a
phone I would have thought!). Even if the buyer knows that VoLTE is
needed then it's still pot luck, a phone that is VoLTE capable
**may** work with a provider of VoLTE service but there's no
certainty about it.

Then give the phone back if it does not work and get another one. You
can send the phones back to Amazon if they don't work as expected.

Yes, but one could go through a heck of a lot of wasted time buying and returning phones. Without any clear guidance as to which '4G' phones
will actually be able to make phone calls it's a minefield.

It's worse than that.

I have a phone which provides VoLTE calling on Tesco (on the back of O2)
but won't provide VoLTE on any other major carrier although it will
provide 4G data (which I use for web surfineg etc. when away from home).

I am told that Android 12 sorted most of this out with a rewrite of the
stack, but I am stuck on Android 11.

So for the moment the dual SIM phone is still usable with Tesco for calls,
and a.n.other for data.
However if I travel abroad, who knows what will happen.

Cheers



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On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 15:29:40 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>

As several UK posters seem to indicate, this might be a UK problem.

<snip>

Can any other UK posters comment on this 'support' nonsense?

<snip>

As posted up stream, my realme 6 Pro with dual SIM can work with Tesco
(O2) using VoLTE but with no other UK provider.
Running Android 11.

If I swap the SIM cards into my Samsung Tab A8 tablet (Android 14) they
all support VoLTE, so the carrier is providing the support for VoLTE.

My particular phone is not supported by 3 of the 4 major UK carries for
VoLTE despite being VoLTE capable.


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