• LM file transfer/copy issues

    From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 15:59:54 2025
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    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have posted
    about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to
    do so eventually.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 07:09:08 2025
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    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 15:59:54 +1100, Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video,
    audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives
    via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in
    Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error
    message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a
    common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to
    inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager
    PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The
    task is unmanageable while this problem exists.

    The answer to rCLhow do I copy/backup lots of files?rCY is invariably rCLrsyncrCY.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 02:20:50 2025
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    On Tue, 12/16/2025 11:59 PM, Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to do so eventually.


    No, that's NOT where that error comes from.

    Microsoft has sabotaged NTFS by using Reparse Points. The NTFS driver
    does not have all possible Reparse Points covered with custom driver
    code. When the Microsoft ICACLS utility runs, it generates error/warnings
    for each Reparse Point it finds of a certain type, and this is considered normal for the thing. It's not like living in Windows itself, is
    cosmetically free of blemishes. These traps affect Windows too.

    You CAN have these problems while transferring files from the C: drive,
    but once you are CD'ed to the Downloads folder, copying the files out
    of there should work.

    If your files were on the D: drive, and you were seeing that error, then
    you have an actual I/O error while copying from D: to EXT4. There are not normally a lot of destructive NTFS features on the D: drive unless you
    add them yourself.

    It's not advised to copy all of C: using any sort of tree copying method.
    Once you hit a Reparse point, like some of the entries at the top level
    of C:\users\Felix, will cause a problem while copying at that level.
    If you CD to C:\users\Felix\Downloads, and then try to copy, that
    should work. If you CD to C:\users\Felix\Pictures, that should work
    when you start copying. If you CD the wrong thing, it's going to tell
    you to piss off. But the important stuff, works.

    *******

    Now, I haven't tried this yet, but make a TAR file out of the C: drive.

    I'm going to do that with 7ZIP, right now. I ran 7zFM.exe as Administrator. Selected Computer from the menu. Highlighted C: under that. Selected
    "add to archive". It wants to store that as "C_.tar" and I shoot
    that file over to my D: drive. File is 91,791,916,544 bytes, and the
    tar process threw at least 2000 errors (which is OK, as none of them
    involve my Pictures, my Video, my whatsit, they could be system
    files, like not being able to get into System-Volume-Information is
    quite quite normal).

    Now I can restore that TAR file on a second machine. For example, using
    Archive Manager, I could unpack the TAR onto an EXT4, improving
    the disposition of the on-demand copying you are using.

    [Picture] This shows the contents of the TAR file, as seen by 7ZIP later

    https://imgur.com/a/w7z05TB

    I hope you have enough storage for this sort of thing :-)

    While you *could* make the TAR or ZIP operations selective
    on the Windows machine, preparing content for un-archiving
    on the other end, I'll leave it to you to figure out the details.

    The main point is, if NTFS-handling is slowing you down, convert
    to an archive, restore on the other end into an EXT4, and THEN
    do your final value-added copy steps.

    There is more than one NTFS driver for Linux, but I don't
    think any of them have all Reparse Points. The New Compression
    Reparse Point, should be defined on at least one of the Linux drivers.
    But I don't sit around testing crap like this. I already tried to
    write a utility to parse $MFT, I got part way along, but now
    I'm stuck on some details. You can NEVER KNOW ENOUGH about
    the traps Microsoft has laid in there :-/ I found an undocumented
    structure I can't parse, and it is not a Reparse Point either.

    My archive is restoring on the Linux side of the room, in /tmp.
    This mounts /tmp on / as a RAMDrive, using around 56GB or so
    (and leaving a bit for the OS to use, worst case). About 400,000
    files are going in there, as I type. I will be commenting this out
    when I finish. sudo xed /etc/fstab is where that line is added.
    The reason for doing this, is it doesn't cost me any SSD wear, to
    test stuff in this way. I could then go to /tmp/restore/users/Paul/Pictures
    and copy my pictures out, onto a real EXT4.

    # add TMPFS
    tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=1777,size=56320M 0 0

    When you boot a Live Linux session, half of the RAM is allowed to be
    used as /tmp, and the RAM is only "booked" if files are stored in /tmp
    so it is opportunistic usage of RAM in a sense. You might be able to
    do a remount and change that.

    This process isn't perfect, but the Archive Manager is not complaining
    as it unpacks the TAR file I made on the other side of the room. No "I/O Errors"
    so far. OK, it finished, Extraction OK, 422 thousand files on the
    other computer for picking and choosing.

    And if you have bad or broken hard drives, you can get errors,
    and if so, do something about it. You can't get much practical
    usage from computers, without "space to work". And that's getting
    increasingly expensive.

    Paul
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 20:05:38 2025
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    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 15:59:54 +1100, Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video,
    audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives
    via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in
    Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error
    message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a
    common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to
    inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager
    PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The
    task is unmanageable while this problem exists.
    The answer to rCLhow do I copy/backup lots of files?rCY is invariably rCLrsyncrCY.

    I'm not syncing files. I'm copying them from one drive to another.
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 20:38:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/16/2025 11:59 PM, Felix wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to do so eventually.

    No, that's NOT where that error comes from.

    Microsoft has sabotaged NTFS by using Reparse Points. The NTFS driver
    does not have all possible Reparse Points covered with custom driver
    code. When the Microsoft ICACLS utility runs, it generates error/warnings
    for each Reparse Point it finds of a certain type, and this is considered normal for the thing. It's not like living in Windows itself, is
    cosmetically free of blemishes. These traps affect Windows too.

    You CAN have these problems while transferring files from the C: drive,
    but once you are CD'ed to the Downloads folder, copying the files out
    of there should work.

    If your files were on the D: drive, and you were seeing that error, then
    you have an actual I/O error while copying from D: to EXT4. There are not normally a lot of destructive NTFS features on the D: drive unless you
    add them yourself.

    It's not advised to copy all of C: using any sort of tree copying method. Once you hit a Reparse point, like some of the entries at the top level
    of C:\users\Felix, will cause a problem while copying at that level.
    If you CD to C:\users\Felix\Downloads, and then try to copy, that
    should work. If you CD to C:\users\Felix\Pictures, that should work
    when you start copying. If you CD the wrong thing, it's going to tell
    you to piss off. But the important stuff, works.

    *******

    Now, I haven't tried this yet, but make a TAR file out of the C: drive.

    I'm going to do that with 7ZIP, right now. I ran 7zFM.exe as Administrator. Selected Computer from the menu. Highlighted C: under that. Selected
    "add to archive". It wants to store that as "C_.tar" and I shoot
    that file over to my D: drive. File is 91,791,916,544 bytes, and the
    tar process threw at least 2000 errors (which is OK, as none of them
    involve my Pictures, my Video, my whatsit, they could be system
    files, like not being able to get into System-Volume-Information is
    quite quite normal).

    Now I can restore that TAR file on a second machine. For example, using Archive Manager, I could unpack the TAR onto an EXT4, improving
    the disposition of the on-demand copying you are using.

    [Picture] This shows the contents of the TAR file, as seen by 7ZIP later

    https://imgur.com/a/w7z05TB

    I hope you have enough storage for this sort of thing :-)

    While you *could* make the TAR or ZIP operations selective
    on the Windows machine, preparing content for un-archiving
    on the other end, I'll leave it to you to figure out the details.

    The main point is, if NTFS-handling is slowing you down, convert
    to an archive, restore on the other end into an EXT4, and THEN
    do your final value-added copy steps.

    There is more than one NTFS driver for Linux, but I don't
    think any of them have all Reparse Points. The New Compression
    Reparse Point, should be defined on at least one of the Linux drivers.
    But I don't sit around testing crap like this. I already tried to
    write a utility to parse $MFT, I got part way along, but now
    I'm stuck on some details. You can NEVER KNOW ENOUGH about
    the traps Microsoft has laid in there :-/ I found an undocumented
    structure I can't parse, and it is not a Reparse Point either.

    My archive is restoring on the Linux side of the room, in /tmp.
    This mounts /tmp on / as a RAMDrive, using around 56GB or so
    (and leaving a bit for the OS to use, worst case). About 400,000
    files are going in there, as I type. I will be commenting this out
    when I finish. sudo xed /etc/fstab is where that line is added.
    The reason for doing this, is it doesn't cost me any SSD wear, to
    test stuff in this way. I could then go to /tmp/restore/users/Paul/Pictures and copy my pictures out, onto a real EXT4.

    # add TMPFS
    tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=1777,size=56320M 0 0

    When you boot a Live Linux session, half of the RAM is allowed to be
    used as /tmp, and the RAM is only "booked" if files are stored in /tmp
    so it is opportunistic usage of RAM in a sense. You might be able to
    do a remount and change that.

    This process isn't perfect, but the Archive Manager is not complaining
    as it unpacks the TAR file I made on the other side of the room. No "I/O Errors"
    so far. OK, it finished, Extraction OK, 422 thousand files on the
    other computer for picking and choosing.

    And if you have bad or broken hard drives, you can get errors,
    and if so, do something about it. You can't get much practical
    usage from computers, without "space to work". And that's getting increasingly expensive.

    Paul

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC.
    I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard
    drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive
    with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 06:25:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:


    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg


    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.

    *******

    And "obviously bad" combinations, just won't work at all.
    If you made an NTFS with 1MB clusters on it, W10 and W11
    can read that, but nothing else can, because other situations
    only support up to 64KB clusters. The regular C: drive uses
    4KB clusters (which support encryption and compression that
    nobody uses). We make data drives used for image backups,
    to have 64KB clusters, but that likely does not result
    in any significant savings. It's just a fetish of sorts.
    Adding new cluster sizes to Windows, is bound to cause problems
    for the older OSes.

    We should be methodical and review what is known about
    the drive and its one or more data partitions.

    Discussing higher level issues, when the lower level
    doesn't have integrity, we have to cover off that
    part first, and assure ourselves "the disk is good
    enough to use" first.

    *******

    Once that is out of the way, you can try a

    cp -Rp /media/mint/MYDATA/users/Felix/Pictures ~/Downloads/Pictures

    That's just an example, where we don't start too high in the source
    tree, and we only copy things that really should copy (if the disk
    was working).

    If you mount this disk and do "ls" of the top level,
    would I be surprised at the top level structure ???
    The files/folders right at the top.

    ls /media/mint/MYDATA

    You can also tell me, via a verbal description, whether
    the structure is a random adhoc data structure, or the drive
    is a C: with a Windows folder and a hiberfil.sys file and
    so on. Set the scene for me, like a color commentary sort of thing.

    Paul
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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@grschmidt@acm.org to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 01:08:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On 17/12/2025 20:05, Felix wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 15:59:54 +1100, Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video,
    audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives
    via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in
    Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error
    message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a
    common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to
    inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager
    PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The
    task is unmanageable while this problem exists.
    The answer to rCLhow do I copy/backup lots of files?rCY is invariably
    rCLrsyncrCY.

    I'm not syncing files. I'm copying them from one drive to another.

    No, you're syncing them for the first time.

    It's the simplest solution, as it survives all sorts of errors.

    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe throw
    in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)
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  • From Mike Scott@usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 17 16:36:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe throw
    in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.
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    Harlow, England
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 07:24:48 2025
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    In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering.

    I guess any such "common Linux problem" must just be with NTFS
    since it's definitely not a common problem in general use with
    Linux filesystems. In that case note that there are competing NTFS
    driver projects for Linux, and if you're using the kernel's
    built-in NTFS driver, try NTFS-3G instead. Unmount the NTFS
    filesystem and then mount it again using the "ntfs-3g" command
    from the command-line:

    eg. if you run
    mount -t ntfs
    and it returns something like
    /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs ([...])
    then do
    sudo umount /mnt/windows
    sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows
    If you get "ntfs-3g: not found", install the ntfs-3g package and
    try again
    sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g

    There was actually a new Linux NTFS driver announced recently, but
    it won't be available to use in Mint yet:

    https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-NTFSPLUS-NTFS-Driver
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 10:19:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Mike Scott wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe
    throw in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.



    I don't want to use the terminal. someone could tell me the wrong thing
    and I could screw up my system
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    Linux Mint 22.2

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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 10:24:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with
    transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering.
    I guess any such "common Linux problem" must just be with NTFS
    since it's definitely not a common problem in general use with
    Linux filesystems.

    yes I want the files on Ext4 drives

    In that case note that there are competing NTFS
    driver projects for Linux, and if you're using the kernel's
    built-in NTFS driver, try NTFS-3G instead. Unmount the NTFS
    filesystem and then mount it again using the "ntfs-3g" command
    from the command-line:

    I really don't want to mess with the files on the NTFS drives


    eg. if you run
    mount -t ntfs
    and it returns something like
    /dev/sdb1 on /mnt/windows type ntfs ([...])
    then do
    sudo umount /mnt/windows
    sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows
    If you get "ntfs-3g: not found", install the ntfs-3g package and
    try again
    sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g

    There was actually a new Linux NTFS driver announced recently, but
    it won't be available to use in Mint yet:

    https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-NTFSPLUS-NTFS-Driver

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  • From keithr0@me@bugger.off.com.au to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 21:47:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On 18/12/2025 9:19 am, Felix wrote:
    Mike Scott wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe
    throw in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.



    I don't want to use the terminal. someone could tell me the wrong thing
    and I could screw up my system

    You're in Linux baby, console is where it's at.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 07:10:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 6:47 AM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 9:19 am, Felix wrote:
    Mike Scott wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe throw in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.



    I don't want to use the terminal. someone could tell me the wrong thing and I could screw up my system

    You're in Linux baby, console is where it's at.

    The crying begins, when you break down on the side
    of the road, the GUI isn't working, and you can't
    get to a Terminal :-)

    Felix had better practice his Houdini Impersonation,
    in preparation for that day.

    You might have to bring the system up in single-user mode,
    and dig up the systemd command to do that. Maybe you have
    to chroot in, and give the victim oxygen.

    Felix being thwarted by a little copy aggravation,
    that's pretty low on the aggravation totem pole.

    Have I been defeated by an OS ? Ohhh Yesss.

    Paul
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 13:30:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    At Thu, 18 Dec 2025 07:10:41 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 6:47 AM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 9:19 am, Felix wrote:
    Mike Scott wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe
    throw in a "-v" to see what's happening.

    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.



    I don't want to use the terminal. someone could tell me the wrong
    thing and I could screw up my system

    You're in Linux baby, console is where it's at.

    The crying begins, when you break down on the side
    of the road, the GUI isn't working, and you can't
    get to a Terminal :-)

    I've had Linux Mint fail to make it to graphical mode, and
    it popped up a menu about starting in a fail-safe mode. I'm
    not sure if that's part of systemd or the display manager though;
    I'm using LightDM if it matters. In any event, ctrl-alt-f2
    gave me a console login (as expected).

    (New folks: If you try ctrl-alt-f2, you use alt-f7 or alt-f1
    to get back to graphics...depends on which virtual console
    the display server is running on.)


    Felix had better practice his Houdini Impersonation,
    in preparation for that day.

    You might have to bring the system up in single-user mode,
    and dig up the systemd command to do that.

    Linux Mint gives helpful menu options to boot kernels
    in "recovery" mode, which is essentially single-user with a menu.

    Maybe you have to chroot in, and give the victim oxygen.

    That's when he might want to find some expert help -- just
    like a "normal" Windows user will occasionally need Geek Squad
    help, or a savvy family member.

    (I've written before how it's a shame there aren't more
    Linux experts around, but this new Linux Cafe thing sounds
    promising, as well as a local LUG or community college
    computer club.)

    Felix being thwarted by a little copy aggravation,
    that's pretty low on the aggravation totem pole.

    Have I been defeated by an OS ? Ohhh Yesss.

    Which one? For me, it was Solaris on a 486 after a
    motherboard swap -- same exact motherboard, except for
    a tiny difference in the chipset part number. Wouldn't
    boot, had to get expert help.


    Paul

    BTW, thank you to Gordon for posting about grsync, that's
    good to know about.
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 07:19:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.

    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and
    report back. I had better success copying files using grsync


    *******

    And "obviously bad" combinations, just won't work at all.
    If you made an NTFS with 1MB clusters on it, W10 and W11
    can read that, but nothing else can, because other situations
    only support up to 64KB clusters. The regular C: drive uses
    4KB clusters (which support encryption and compression that
    nobody uses). We make data drives used for image backups,
    to have 64KB clusters, but that likely does not result
    in any significant savings. It's just a fetish of sorts.
    Adding new cluster sizes to Windows, is bound to cause problems
    for the older OSes.

    We should be methodical and review what is known about
    the drive and its one or more data partitions.

    Discussing higher level issues, when the lower level
    doesn't have integrity, we have to cover off that
    part first, and assure ourselves "the disk is good
    enough to use" first.

    *******

    Once that is out of the way, you can try a

    cp -Rp /media/mint/MYDATA/users/Felix/Pictures ~/Downloads/Pictures

    That's just an example, where we don't start too high in the source
    tree, and we only copy things that really should copy (if the disk
    was working).

    If you mount this disk and do "ls" of the top level,
    would I be surprised at the top level structure ???
    The files/folders right at the top.

    ls /media/mint/MYDATA

    You can also tell me, via a verbal description, whether
    the structure is a random adhoc data structure, or the drive
    is a C: with a Windows folder and a hiberfil.sys file and
    so on. Set the scene for me, like a color commentary sort of thing.

    the drive is only a data drive. no OS on it.


    Paul
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 20:21:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 07:10:41 -0500, Paul wrote:

    You might have to bring the system up in single-user mode,
    and dig up the systemd command to do that.

    ItrCOs a Linux kernel boot parameter. Try

    init=/bin/bash
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 07:24:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 6:47 AM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 18/12/2025 9:19 am, Felix wrote:
    Mike Scott wrote:
    On 17/12/2025 14:08, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    Really, just do "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path", maybe throw in a "-v" to see what's happening.
    But understand the crucial difference between:
    "rsync -a /source/path /destination/path"
    "rsync -a /source/path/ /destination/path"

    (I think you may mean the latter in your example)


    "man rsync", and follow the examples.


    I don't want to use the terminal. someone could tell me the wrong thing and I could screw up my system

    You're in Linux baby, console is where it's at.
    The crying begins, when you break down on the side
    of the road, the GUI isn't working, and you can't
    get to a Terminal :-)

    Felix had better practice his Houdini Impersonation,
    in preparation for that day.

    You might have to bring the system up in single-user mode,
    and dig up the systemd command to do that. Maybe you have
    to chroot in, and give the victim oxygen.

    Felix being thwarted by a little copy aggravation,
    that's pretty low on the aggravation totem pole.

    Have I been defeated by an OS ? Ohhh Yesss.

    total system failure is what disk images, timeshift (or other backups)
    are for


    Paul
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    Linux Mint 22.2

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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 08:36:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    In aus.computers Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In that case note that there are competing NTFS
    driver projects for Linux, and if you're using the kernel's
    built-in NTFS driver, try NTFS-3G instead. Unmount the NTFS
    filesystem and then mount it again using the "ntfs-3g" command
    from the command-line:

    I really don't want to mess with the files on the NTFS drives

    I wasn't suggesting you do, but if you want to be sure nothing's
    changed you can mount it in read-only mode with:
    sudo ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt/windows

    But if you want to stick to graphical tools then you're probably
    stuck with whatever the default NTFS driver is in MINT.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 00:48:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:24:30 +1100, Felix wrote:

    total system failure is what disk images, timeshift (or other backups)
    are for

    Sometimes a failure to boot can seem worse than it is. I have had that
    happen more than once, after a system upgrade; in each case a quick dive
    into SystemRescue to reinstall the bootloader was sufficient to restore normality.

    <https://www.system-rescue.org/>
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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 12:44:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:24:30 +1100, Felix wrote:

    total system failure is what disk images, timeshift (or other backups)
    are for
    Sometimes a failure to boot can seem worse than it is. I have had that
    happen more than once, after a system upgrade; in each case a quick dive
    into SystemRescue to reinstall the bootloader was sufficient to restore normality.

    <https://www.system-rescue.org/>

    that's good to know. I'll bookmark that link
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 18 23:01:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 3:19 PM, Felix wrote:


    the drive is only a data drive. no OS on it.

    Then the I/O error could be REAL!

    Check it out.

    Paul


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  • From Felix@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 15:07:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.


    does no one know why there is no menu item?
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 17:59:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Felix wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm
    not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in
    the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected
    via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to
    or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    -a-a-a sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    -a-a-a CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.

    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and
    report back. I had better success copying files using grsync

    Here is the report. It seems the drive is OK. I guess the problem was
    corrupt files?

    https://auslink.info/linux/WD_2TB.txt



    *******

    And "obviously bad" combinations, just won't work at all.
    If you made an NTFS with 1MB clusters on it, W10 and W11
    can read that, but nothing else can, because other situations
    only support up to 64KB clusters. The regular C: drive uses
    4KB clusters (which support encryption and compression that
    nobody uses). We make data drives used for image backups,
    to have 64KB clusters, but that likely does not result
    in any significant savings. It's just a fetish of sorts.
    Adding new cluster sizes to Windows, is bound to cause problems
    for the older OSes.

    We should be methodical and review what is known about
    the drive and its one or more data partitions.

    Discussing higher level issues, when the lower level
    doesn't have integrity, we have to cover off that
    part first, and assure ourselves "the disk is good
    enough to use" first.

    *******

    Once that is out of the way, you can try a

    -a-a-a cp -Rp /media/mint/MYDATA/users/Felix/Pictures ~/Downloads/Pictures >>
    That's just an example, where we don't start too high in the source
    tree, and we only copy things that really should copy (if the disk
    was working).

    If you mount this disk and do "ls" of the top level,
    would I be surprised at the top level structure ???
    The files/folders right at the top.

    -a-a-a ls /media/mint/MYDATA

    You can also tell me, via a verbal description, whether
    the structure is a random adhoc data structure, or the drive
    is a C: with a Windows folder and a hiberfil.sys file and
    so on. Set the scene for me, like a color commentary sort of thing.

    the drive is only a data drive. no OS on it.


    -a-a-a Paul


    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 07:32:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Fri, 12/19/2025 1:59 AM, Axel wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    -a-a-a sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    -a-a-a CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.

    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and report back. I had better success copying files using grsync

    Here is the report. It seems the drive is OK. I guess the problem was corrupt files?

    https://auslink.info/linux/WD_2TB.txt

    It is possible there were corrupt files.

    This is the only thing that bothers me about your disk drive.

    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count -O--CK 200 001 000 - 7484

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard). Check to see if the cable is kinked from bending
    it in half or something. The cables have a bend radius and the SATA
    cables should not be mistreated. Kinking the cable causes the transmission
    line impedance to change, and there are then "reflections" on the cable
    that upset the data in transit.

    The packets on the SATA cable each have a cyclic redundancy check, and
    one end of the link will request a retransmit if there is a problem.

    Other than that, if you CHKDSK the thing, first do a read-only check.

    chkdsk D:

    Only when you are convinced by that first scan, that nothing points
    to serious internal damage on the disk, would you do this.

    chkdsk /f D:

    as trying to fix a sick disk that way, can cause more harm than good.
    A healthy disk needing a minor fix, is not a problem.

    *******

    I think I had just one bad SATA port on a motherboard, and since the motherboard died, all is forgiven :-)

    Paul


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  • From Gary R. Schmidt@grschmidt@acm.org to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 00:41:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On 19/12/2025 15:07, Felix wrote:
    Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with
    transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.


    does no one know why there is no menu item?

    Because Linux does it better and correctly from the command line.

    If you need to click'n'drool, use windows.

    Cheers,
    Gary B-)
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 01:20:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

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    Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
    On 19/12/2025 15:07, Felix wrote:
    Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video,
    audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives
    via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in
    Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error
    message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a
    common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to
    inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager
    PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The
    task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about
    it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD
    Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.


    does no one know why there is no menu item?

    Because Linux does it better and correctly from the command line.

    If you need to click'n'drool, use windows.

    I don't know what the heck happened here. This is the post I meant to
    reply to.. .......................................................................................................................
    Gordon wrote:
    On 2025-12-15, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    I'm trying to get this app to appear in the menu..

    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can run the app
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu. ??

    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here... This
    will
    give you the desktop file.

    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item, it
    doesn't. viz: https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png

    also, this method doesn't work either ..
    https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png .......................................................................................................................................................

    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?". perhaps
    it may have something to do with the program I am trying 'launch'?



    -a-a-a-aCheers,
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a Gary-a-a-a B-)
    --
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}


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    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:k91g1m-hjp.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au">On
    19/12/2025 15:07, Felix wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">Felix wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <br>
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg.
    video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA
    mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA
    mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file
    transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem
    with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate
    buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM )
    that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task
    is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about
    it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is
    AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime
    B550M-K
    <br>
    <br>
    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I
    have posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them
    all, but I intend to do so eventually.
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    does no one know why there is no menu item?
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    Because Linux does it better and correctly from the command line.
    <br>
    <br>
    If you need to click'n'drool, use windows.
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I don't know what the heck happened here. This is the post I meant
    to reply to..<br> .......................................................................................................................<br>
    Gordon wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">On 2025-12-15, Felix
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:none@not.here">&lt;none@not.here&gt;</a>
    wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">I'm trying to get
    this app to appear in the menu..
    <br>
    <br>
    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    <br>
    <br>
    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can run
    the app
    <br>
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu.
    ??
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here...
    This will
    <br>
    give you the desktop file.
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item,
    it doesn't. viz:-a <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png">https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png</a>
    <br>
    <br>
    also, this method doesn't work either .. <a
    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png">https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png</a><br>
    .......................................................................................................................................................<br>
    <br>
    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?".
    perhaps it may have something to do with the program I am trying
    'launch'?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:k91g1m-hjp.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au">
    <br>
    -a-a-a-aCheers,
    <br>
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a Gary-a-a-a B-)
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 16:21:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:07:46 +1100, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:

    Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to do so eventually.


    does no one know why there is no menu item?

    You should have a menu item for grsync...
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 21:03:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync verification pass.
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 09:39:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

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    vallor wrote:
    At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:07:46 +1100, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:

    Felix wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with
    transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.

    does no one know why there is no menu item?
    You should have a menu item for grsync...


    I do. I replied to the wrong post. here is the context.. ......................................
    Gordon wrote:
    On 2025-12-15, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    I'm trying to get this app to appear in the menu..

    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can run the app
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu. ??

    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here... This
    will
    give you the desktop file.

    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item, it
    doesn't. viz: https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png

    also, this method doesn't work either ..
    https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png .......................................................................................................................................................

    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?". perhaps
    it has something to do with the program I am trying 'launch'?
    --
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}


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    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:10i3u1v$19167$2@dont-email.me">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:07:46 +1100, Felix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:none@not.here">&lt;none@not.here&gt;</a> wrote:

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    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Felix wrote:
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
    does no one know why there is no menu item?
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">
    You should have a menu item for grsync...

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I do. I replied to the wrong post. here is the context..<br>
    ......................................<br>
    Gordon wrote: <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">On 2025-12-15, Felix
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:none@not.here">&lt;none@not.here&gt;</a>
    wrote: <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">I'm trying to get
    this app to appear in the menu.. <br>
    <br>
    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64 <br>
    <br>
    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can run
    the app <br>
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu.
    ?? <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here...
    This will <br>
    give you the desktop file. <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item,
    it doesn't. viz:-a <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png">https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png</a>
    <br>
    <br>
    also, this method doesn't work either .. <a
    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png">https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png</a><br>
    .......................................................................................................................................................<br>
    <br>
    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?".
    perhaps it has something to do with the program I am trying
    'launch'?<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 09:45:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).
    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would copy
    each folder or file within the folder one by one and that fixed it
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 10:10:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 12/19/2025 1:59 AM, Axel wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    -a-a-a sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    -a-a-a CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.
    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and report back. I had better success copying files using grsync
    Here is the report. It seems the drive is OK. I guess the problem was corrupt files?

    https://auslink.info/linux/WD_2TB.txt
    It is possible there were corrupt files.

    This is the only thing that bothers me about your disk drive.

    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count -O--CK 200 001 000 - 7484

    the drive is connected to the computer via a cable to the motherboard
    rear USB 3 port. I think I have good cables, but I wonder if they have adequate shielding, so I'm checking out ones that do. these look good? https://tinyurl.com/2jzzfntj


    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    The motherboard is new, and I'm not seeing any issues with transfers
    to/from with/the internal drives

    Check to see if the cable is kinked from bending
    it in half or something.

    no, nothing like that

    The cables have a bend radius and the SATA
    cables should not be mistreated. Kinking the cable causes the transmission line impedance to change, and there are then "reflections" on the cable
    that upset the data in transit.

    The packets on the SATA cable each have a cyclic redundancy check, and
    one end of the link will request a retransmit if there is a problem.

    Other than that, if you CHKDSK the thing, first do a read-only check.

    chkdsk D:

    how do I tell it to check the USB connected drive?


    Only when you are convinced by that first scan, that nothing points
    to serious internal damage on the disk, would you do this.

    chkdsk /f D:

    as trying to fix a sick disk that way, can cause more harm than good.
    A healthy disk needing a minor fix, is not a problem.

    *******

    I think I had just one bad SATA port on a motherboard, and since the motherboard died, all is forgiven :-)

    lol


    Paul


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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 00:16:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port on
    the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync verification
    pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that fixed
    it

    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 11:42:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port on
    the motherboard).
    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync verification
    pass.
    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that fixed
    it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?

    yes. by byte count
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 20:13:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Thu, 12/18/2025 11:07 PM, Felix wrote:
    Felix wrote:

    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to do so eventually.


    does no one know why there is no menu item?


    You can use:

    which grsync

    for a quick check. Or even start the program from
    the command line, as proof it is present.

    The program will have a .desktop file, which is a description
    of the details of adding it to a menu. In fact, Synaptic should
    list all the files for the installed package, in Properties.

    [Picture] Synaptic used to install GRSYNC, Menu shows the result

    https://imgur.com/a/QCPoEuN

    # Some pictures of GRSYNC.

    https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/

    Paul
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 01:15:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that
    fixed it

    Did you verify the copies afterwards?

    yes. by byte count

    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Dec 19 20:42:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Fri, 12/19/2025 6:10 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 12/19/2025 1:59 AM, Axel wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    -a-a-a-a sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    -a-a-a-a CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.
    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and report back. I had better success copying files using grsync
    Here is the report. It seems the drive is OK. I guess the problem was corrupt files?

    https://auslink.info/linux/WD_2TB.txt
    It is possible there were corrupt files.

    This is the only thing that bothers me about your disk drive.

    -a-a-a 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count-a-a-a -O--CK-a-a 200-a-a 001-a-a 000-a-a-a --a-a-a 7484

    the drive is connected to the computer via a cable to the motherboard rear USB 3 port. I think I have good cables, but I wonder if they have adequate shielding, so I'm checking out ones that do. these look good? https://tinyurl.com/2jzzfntj


    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    The motherboard is new, and I'm not seeing any issues with transfers to/from with/the internal drives

    -a Check to see if the cable is kinked from bending
    it in half or something.

    no, nothing like that

    The cables have a bend radius and the SATA
    cables should not be mistreated. Kinking the cable causes the transmission >> line impedance to change, and there are then "reflections" on the cable
    that upset the data in transit.

    The packets on the SATA cable each have a cyclic redundancy check, and
    one end of the link will request a retransmit if there is a problem.

    Other than that, if you CHKDSK the thing, first do a read-only check.

    -a-a-a-a chkdsk D:

    how do I tell it to check the USB connected drive?


    Only when you are convinced by that first scan, that nothing points
    to serious internal damage on the disk, would you do this.

    -a-a-a-a chkdsk /f D:

    as trying to fix a sick disk that way, can cause more harm than good.
    A healthy disk needing a minor fix, is not a problem.

    *******

    I think I had just one bad SATA port on a motherboard, and since the
    motherboard died, all is forgiven :-)

    lol


    The cable here is USB2, the USB3 version is taller, check whether the house-shaped
    end is really tall or not on the current one. It could be that your enclosure is USB2, in which case this cable appears to be a match for that style of cabling solution. The taller USB3 version supports the nine contacts of USB3.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005662246081.html

    But the error count refers to the electrical path between the disk drive
    and the enclosure SATA port. This is inside the enclosure. It might
    not use a cable, and the SATA connector inside the enclosure could be
    a "backplane style" connector which is vertical and soldered into the
    PCB in the enclosure. When the disk drive slides into the enclosure, the
    disk drive SATA wafer, slides into the backplane connector opening.

    If you're having trouble at that level, the drive should instead
    be placed inside a desktop PC, and a SATA cabling used to interface
    to the drive.

    The cable error count does not "clear". You write down the current error
    count on a piece of paper, power things off, move the drive, cable up
    in a desktop computer, and check every day or two, to see if the
    error count has increased from the recorded (paper) value. You have
    to take the difference between the "today" value and the recorded
    value, to detect whether the new cable in the desktop is working
    any better.

    Errors on the cable are retried, and an I/O error should not
    be the result. An I/O error is something inside the drive, more
    likely. In the old days, we would report "CRC error" if the
    error was in fact a CRC error, because that is a clearer message.

    *******

    You can try

    dmesg # One of these will work
    sudo dmesg

    as the copy errors are likely also recorded in that log, including
    sense data. That might have more details than the "laundered" codes
    you are getting currently at the application level.

    When the hard drive is inside the desktop PC and you use "dmesg"
    after it throws an "I/O error", the sense code will be closer
    to the hardware and more meaningful for this exercise. Using
    a USB interface at this time, is not as good. The USB interface
    is great... when all the hardware is healthy and we aren't
    "bobbing for error codes" like this.

    Paul


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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 16:03:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that
    fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?

    ???
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 16:24:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 12/19/2025 6:10 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 12/19/2025 1:59 AM, Axel wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:38 AM, Felix wrote:

    sorry, I think I've not explained it well. I'm using a LM PC. I'm not connecting to a windows PC. I have an Ext4 drive installed in the LM PC. I want to copy files to it from a NTFS drive connected via USB to a hard drive box. I'm not copying or moving any files to or from the main drive with LM on it.

    https://auslink.info/linux/case1.jpg
    https://auslink.info/linux/case2.jpg

    What is the SMART status of this drive ?

    When is the last time it had a CHKDSK ?

    If you do [assumes drive is /dev/sdb]

    -a-a-a-a sudo dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null

    can the command read every sector on the drive ?

    We aren't copying the drive there, just checking for
    CRC errors on the sectors. The Linux "dd" will stop
    on the first CRC error it sees.

    *******

    You don't need a Windows install to run CHKDSK.

    You can boot an [era correct] installer DVD,
    select "Troubleshooting" instead of Install Now,
    and use the Command Prompt and run a CHKDSK in there.

    -a-a-a-a CHKDSK /f C:

    or whatever drive letter the partition in question
    happens to occupy.
    I've copied all files off this drive now, so I will now do this, and report back. I had better success copying files using grsync
    Here is the report. It seems the drive is OK. I guess the problem was corrupt files?

    https://auslink.info/linux/WD_2TB.txt
    It is possible there were corrupt files.

    This is the only thing that bothers me about your disk drive.

    -a-a-a 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count-a-a-a -O--CK-a-a 200-a-a 001-a-a 000-a-a-a --a-a-a 7484
    the drive is connected to the computer via a cable to the motherboard rear USB 3 port. I think I have good cables, but I wonder if they have adequate shielding, so I'm checking out ones that do. these look good? https://tinyurl.com/2jzzfntj

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).
    The motherboard is new, and I'm not seeing any issues with transfers to/from with/the internal drives

    -a Check to see if the cable is kinked from bending
    it in half or something.
    no, nothing like that

    The cables have a bend radius and the SATA
    cables should not be mistreated. Kinking the cable causes the transmission >>> line impedance to change, and there are then "reflections" on the cable
    that upset the data in transit.

    The packets on the SATA cable each have a cyclic redundancy check, and
    one end of the link will request a retransmit if there is a problem.

    Other than that, if you CHKDSK the thing, first do a read-only check.

    -a-a-a-a chkdsk D:
    how do I tell it to check the USB connected drive?

    Only when you are convinced by that first scan, that nothing points
    to serious internal damage on the disk, would you do this.

    -a-a-a-a chkdsk /f D:

    as trying to fix a sick disk that way, can cause more harm than good.
    A healthy disk needing a minor fix, is not a problem.

    *******

    I think I had just one bad SATA port on a motherboard, and since the
    motherboard died, all is forgiven :-)
    lol

    The cable here is USB2, the USB3 version is taller, check whether the house-shaped
    end is really tall or not on the current one. It could be that your enclosure is USB2, in which case this cable appears to be a match for that style of cabling solution. The taller USB3 version supports the nine contacts of USB3. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005662246081.html

    the enclosures are USB 3. That cable is available with type 2 or 3 ending


    But the error count refers to the electrical path between the disk drive
    and the enclosure SATA port. This is inside the enclosure. It might
    not use a cable, and the SATA connector inside the enclosure could be
    a "backplane style" connector which is vertical and soldered into the
    PCB in the enclosure. When the disk drive slides into the enclosure, the
    disk drive SATA wafer, slides into the backplane connector opening.

    yes it's that kind. (no internal cable)


    If you're having trouble at that level, the drive should instead
    be placed inside a desktop PC, and a SATA cabling used to interface
    to the drive.

    yes, I can do that


    The cable error count does not "clear". You write down the current error count on a piece of paper, power things off, move the drive, cable up
    in a desktop computer, and check every day or two, to see if the
    error count has increased from the recorded (paper) value. You have
    to take the difference between the "today" value and the recorded
    value, to detect whether the new cable in the desktop is working
    any better.

    makes sense


    Errors on the cable are retried, and an I/O error should not
    be the result. An I/O error is something inside the drive, more
    likely. In the old days, we would report "CRC error" if the
    error was in fact a CRC error, because that is a clearer message.

    *******

    You can try

    dmesg # One of these will work
    sudo dmesg

    as the copy errors are likely also recorded in that log, including
    sense data. That might have more details than the "laundered" codes
    you are getting currently at the application level.

    When the hard drive is inside the desktop PC and you use "dmesg"
    after it throws an "I/O error", the sense code will be closer
    to the hardware and more meaningful for this exercise. Using
    a USB interface at this time, is not as good. The USB interface
    is great... when all the hardware is healthy and we aren't
    "bobbing for error codes" like this.

    well, I've finished copying from the NTFS drive, and the drive inside
    the PC with the files is a (brand) new drive formatted in Ext4. but if I
    need to access the NTFS drive, I will do as you suggest and put it into
    the PC. I won't do error testing on it now, as I need to sort the files
    on the new drive, which will take quite some time.


    Paul


    --
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 17:32:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 11:07 PM, Felix wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I intend to do so eventually.

    does no one know why there is no menu item?

    You can use:

    which grsync

    for a quick check. Or even start the program from
    the command line, as proof it is present.

    what would be the command for that? (I can/just run the file by clicking
    on it)

    The program will have a .desktop file,

    it doesn't

    which is a description
    of the details of adding it to a menu. In fact, Synaptic should
    list all the files for the installed package, in Properties.

    it doesn't appear in Synaptic


    [Picture] Synaptic used to install GRSYNC, Menu shows the result

    https://imgur.com/a/QCPoEuN

    # Some pictures of GRSYNC.

    https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/

    Paul
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 17:53:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Thu, 12/18/2025 11:07 PM, Felix wrote:
    Felix wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video,
    audio, text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives
    via a USB case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in
    Ext4, but using Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error
    message 'Input/Output error'. According to Mr. Google this is a
    common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to
    inadequate buffering. I tried another copy app ( File Manager
    PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but still had the problem. The
    task is unmanageable while this problem exists. What can I do about
    it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb installed. The CPU is AMD
    Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but
    I intend to do so eventually.

    does no one know why there is no menu item?

    You can use:

    -a-a-a which grsync

    for a quick check. Or even start the program from
    the command line, as proof it is present.

    what would be the command for that? (I can/just run the file by
    clicking on it)

    The program will have a .desktop file,

    it doesn't

    -a which is a description
    of the details of adding it to a menu. In fact, Synaptic should
    list all the files for the installed package, in Properties.

    it doesn't appear in Synaptic


    -a-a-a [Picture]-a Synaptic used to install GRSYNC, Menu shows the result

    -a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/QCPoEuN

    # Some pictures of GRSYNC.

    https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/

    -a-a Paul



    p.s. it seems to me that although I have the file and can run it,
    somehow it's not installed on LM
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 05:08:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:03 AM, Axel wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port
    on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that
    fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?

    ???


    Let us make two files

    AAAAAABBBBCC

    AAAAAABBBBCD

    They both have the same byte count.

    Now, do

    sha256sum file1
    sha256sum file2

    and the checksums are entirely different. This is also termed "using hashes".

    It's why hashdeep was invented. Hashdeep can generate checksums
    for all the files in a source tree, then be used to audit
    the same files in a destination tree.

    sudo apt install hashdeep

    cd /home/felix

    hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -r Downloads > /tmp/audit.txt # Source tree is /home/felix/Downloads
    # It has our Golden Files.

    # The path value might be relative or absolute, and the reason
    # I am using the crafty "cd" values is to be able to audit a
    # relative path thing for identical contents. both recursive -r
    # point to the same "directory name".

    cd /media/mint/WDBLUE # The copied files we hope are the same.
    # This is the destination we wish to audit for corruption.
    # The destination is our potentially unreliable copy as
    # /media/mint/WDBLUE/Downloads we did with our rsync.

    hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -k /tmp/audit.txt -a -v -v -r Downloads > /tmp/audit-out.txt

    The "md5" is the fastest hash supported by hashdeep.
    The -j0 means "run the audit on a single thread as this is a hard drive
    and we really want the file list to be in predictable order". The -k specifies an audit file to compare against.
    The -a is "audit mode" and it expects -k to identify the audit file to use.
    The double verbose makes the output verbose
    The -r is for recursive descent below the Downloads tree.
    The audit-out.txt should identify destination files with a problem.

    That's the basic idea, but you can easily "fall into a hole"
    while using hashdeep, and it requires a good deal of hand holding.
    (I use this on both Windows and Linux.) You should open both "audit.txt"
    and "audit-out.txt" with a text editor and make sure the right things
    happened.

    There are more utilities than this, for comparing file trees.
    "Tripwire" would be an example of an old one.

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 05:17:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:24 AM, Axel wrote:


    well, I've finished copying from the NTFS drive, and the drive inside the PC with the files is a (brand) new drive formatted in Ext4. but if I need to access the NTFS drive, I will do as you suggest and put it into the PC. I won't do error testing on it now, as I need to sort the files on the new drive, which will take quite some time.

    See my other post, for how to audit with hashdeep.
    Don't edit anything, until the unblemished trees of files have been compared.

    For big files sent across the room, I quite frequently
    check the checksum of the file on the source computer
    and on the destination computer, for equality. I don't
    think I have *ever* detected an error. But, I keep doing
    this as force of habit. I used to work designing computers
    and computer components, and I got to see lots of brokenness
    in the doing. That's why I am cautious.

    The RAM is very good today. If the computer had ECC, I would
    not be doing nearly as much checking as I do. The older
    computers (DDR2 and older), were miserable for errors.

    Paul


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 20 05:24:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 12/20/2025 1:53 AM, Axel wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    it doesn't appear in Synaptic

    -a-a-a [Picture]-a Synaptic used to install GRSYNC, Menu shows the result >>>
    -a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/QCPoEuN

    # Some pictures of GRSYNC.

    https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/

    -a-a Paul

    p.s. it seems to me that although I have the file and can run it, somehow it's not installed on LM

    You can see in the picture, the grsync package comes with a desktop file.
    I even demonstrated a *menu* with grsync in it.

    And from the command line:

    grsync

    Using "which" is to see if the path to it works.

    But you can also see from my Synaptic properties, a file list
    of exactly where everything is. You can check the list
    and see if the list shows a "/usr/bin/grsync" or similar.

    That picture I made for you, has lots of info about how
    to run a computer. The component parts of that picture
    are NOT a lark. The picture shows essential details
    for using your Package Manager to answer your questions about:

    1) Does a thing exist ?
    2) Is it installed ?
    No ? Then tick the box and install it.
    3) Use Properties to see it has a desktop file and an executable
    in the usual (logical) places for such.

    Now when you go to a Menu and type the name it should show up.
    If you open a terminal and use "which grsync" it might find it.

    Things which are portable (a copy of Betterbird you downloaded),
    the portable folder is not in the path. It won't work from the
    Terminal. But if you find the .desktop file and stuff it
    somewhere, Betterbird will then be in the menu next to Thunderbird
    (which is installed via Synaptic and is not a portable program).

    I'm not feeding you fish, I'm teaching you how to fish.

    Paul


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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Tue Dec 23 10:25:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:03 AM, Axel wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port >>>>>>>> on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would
    copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that
    fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?
    ???

    Let us make two files

    AAAAAABBBBCC

    AAAAAABBBBCD

    They both have the same byte count.

    Now, do

    sha256sum file1
    sha256sum file2

    and the checksums are entirely different. This is also termed "using hashes".

    It's why hashdeep was invented. Hashdeep can generate checksums
    for all the files in a source tree, then be used to audit
    the same files in a destination tree.

    sudo apt install hashdeep

    cd /home/felix

    hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -r Downloads > /tmp/audit.txt # Source tree is /home/felix/Downloads
    # It has our Golden Files.

    # The path value might be relative or absolute, and the reason
    # I am using the crafty "cd" values is to be able to audit a
    # relative path thing for identical contents. both recursive -r
    # point to the same "directory name".

    cd /media/mint/WDBLUE # The copied files we hope are the same.
    # This is the destination we wish to audit for corruption.
    # The destination is our potentially unreliable copy as
    # /media/mint/WDBLUE/Downloads we did with our rsync.

    hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -k /tmp/audit.txt -a -v -v -r Downloads > /tmp/audit-out.txt

    The "md5" is the fastest hash supported by hashdeep.
    The -j0 means "run the audit on a single thread as this is a hard drive
    and we really want the file list to be in predictable order". The -k specifies an audit file to compare against.
    The -a is "audit mode" and it expects -k to identify the audit file to use. The double verbose makes the output verbose
    The -r is for recursive descent below the Downloads tree.
    The audit-out.txt should identify destination files with a problem.

    That's the basic idea, but you can easily "fall into a hole"
    while using hashdeep, and it requires a good deal of hand holding.
    (I use this on both Windows and Linux.) You should open both "audit.txt"
    and "audit-out.txt" with a text editor and make sure the right things happened.

    There are more utilities than this, for comparing file trees.
    "Tripwire" would be an example of an old one.

    I'm making progress on the file transfer problem and will post soon.-a :)
    also I found an app called Meld for checking folders


    Paul
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Tue Dec 23 18:45:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:03 AM, Axel wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port >>>>>>>>> on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would >>>>>>> copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that
    fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?
    ???

    Let us make two files

    AAAAAABBBBCC

    AAAAAABBBBCD

    They both have the same byte count.

    Now, do

    -a-a-a sha256sum file1
    -a-a-a sha256sum file2

    and the checksums are entirely different. This is also termed "using
    hashes".

    It's why hashdeep was invented. Hashdeep can generate checksums
    for all the files in a source tree, then be used to audit
    the same files in a destination tree.

    -a-a-a sudo apt install hashdeep

    -a-a-a cd /home/felix

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -r Downloads > /tmp/audit.txt-a-a # Source tree >> is /home/felix/Downloads
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # It has our
    Golden Files.

    -a-a-a # The path value might be relative or absolute, and the reason
    -a-a-a # I am using the crafty "cd" values is to be able to audit a
    -a-a-a # relative path thing for identical contents. both recursive -r
    -a-a-a # point to the same "directory name".

    -a-a-a cd /media/mint/WDBLUE-a-a-a-a-a-a # The copied files we hope are the same.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # This is the destination we wish to
    audit for corruption.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # The destination is our potentially
    unreliable copy as
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # /media/mint/WDBLUE/Downloads we did
    with our rsync.

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0-a -k /tmp/audit.txt -a -v -v -r Downloads >
    /tmp/audit-out.txt

    The "md5" is the fastest hash supported by hashdeep.
    The -j0 means "run the audit on a single thread as this is a hard drive
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a and we really want the file list to be in predictable
    order".
    The -k specifies an audit file to compare against.
    The -a is "audit mode" and it expects -k to identify the audit file
    to use.
    The double verbose makes the output verbose
    The -r is for recursive descent below the Downloads tree.
    The audit-out.txt should identify destination files with a problem.

    That's the basic idea, but you can easily "fall into a hole"
    while using hashdeep, and it requires a good deal of hand holding.
    (I use this on both Windows and Linux.) You should open both "audit.txt"
    and "audit-out.txt" with a text editor and make sure the right things
    happened.

    There are more utilities than this, for comparing file trees.
    "Tripwire" would be an example of an old one.

    I'm making progress on the file transfer problem and will post soon.-a :) also I found an app called Meld for checking folders


    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for
    easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases
    for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and error, I've discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to
    USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.
    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack.-a I replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within
    the PC. According to the newegg calculator [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I
    need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could
    write to it without limitation. ??? This is a really confusing for me.
    I've lost track of what's been suggested to do so far, and I don't know
    what to try next, since I've run out of ideas. :(

    AMD Ryzen 5 5500|16 Gb RAM|1Tb NVME|NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030



    -a-a-a-a Paul
    --
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Tue Dec 23 12:38:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Tue, 12/23/2025 2:45 AM, Axel wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:03 AM, Axel wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port >>>>>>>>>> on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would >>>>>>>> copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that >>>>>>>> fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?
    ???

    Let us make two files

    AAAAAABBBBCC

    AAAAAABBBBCD

    They both have the same byte count.

    Now, do

    -a-a-a sha256sum file1
    -a-a-a sha256sum file2

    and the checksums are entirely different. This is also termed "using hashes".

    It's why hashdeep was invented. Hashdeep can generate checksums
    for all the files in a source tree, then be used to audit
    the same files in a destination tree.

    -a-a-a sudo apt install hashdeep

    -a-a-a cd /home/felix

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -r Downloads > /tmp/audit.txt-a-a # Source tree is /home/felix/Downloads
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # It has our Golden Files.

    -a-a-a # The path value might be relative or absolute, and the reason
    -a-a-a # I am using the crafty "cd" values is to be able to audit a
    -a-a-a # relative path thing for identical contents. both recursive -r
    -a-a-a # point to the same "directory name".

    -a-a-a cd /media/mint/WDBLUE-a-a-a-a-a-a # The copied files we hope are the same.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # This is the destination we wish to audit for corruption.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # The destination is our potentially unreliable copy as
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # /media/mint/WDBLUE/Downloads we did with our rsync.

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0-a -k /tmp/audit.txt -a -v -v -r Downloads > /tmp/audit-out.txt

    The "md5" is the fastest hash supported by hashdeep.
    The -j0 means "run the audit on a single thread as this is a hard drive
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a and we really want the file list to be in predictable order".
    The -k specifies an audit file to compare against.
    The -a is "audit mode" and it expects -k to identify the audit file to use. >>> The double verbose makes the output verbose
    The -r is for recursive descent below the Downloads tree.
    The audit-out.txt should identify destination files with a problem.

    That's the basic idea, but you can easily "fall into a hole"
    while using hashdeep, and it requires a good deal of hand holding.
    (I use this on both Windows and Linux.) You should open both "audit.txt" >>> and "audit-out.txt" with a text editor and make sure the right things
    happened.

    There are more utilities than this, for comparing file trees.
    "Tripwire" would be an example of an old one.

    I'm making progress on the file transfer problem and will post soon.-a :)
    also I found an app called Meld for checking folders


    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below) has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for easy insertion
    and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb mechanical disk formatted in Ext4.

    It also has two external USB cases for additional hard drives. Following a process
    of trial and error, I've discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs
    when I write to the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without errors.

    So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack.-a I replaced it, and
    also the cable, and swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within the PC.

    According to the newegg calculator

    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ]

    I need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped it out
    with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about 10Gb, and today I tried an
    old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could write to it without limitation. ???

    This is a really confusing for me. I've lost track of what's been suggested to
    do so far, and I don't know what to try next, since I've run out of ideas. :(

    AMD Ryzen 5 5500|16 Gb RAM|1Tb NVME|NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030

    In reverse order, you should not start by fretting about power. I have a "Kill-o-Watt" meter, and it is currently connected to the Daily Driver.
    It shows 36 watts right now, as I type.

    The power calculation is a worst case. Maybe it assumes Prime95 running at
    the same time as Furmark (graphics burn-in program) are running. in other words,
    everything pushed to the wall. While you are doing the file copy test,
    things are not pushed to the wall.

    The processor is 64W (turbo or railing at ~130W maybe).
    The GT1030 is maybe 40W or so (It has no PCIe 2x3 or 2x4, and 60W is
    a rough max for a typical video card of that nature).

    You're not even remotely close to 550W, by analyzing the first
    consumers that come to mind. General motherboard power, we award
    50W as a random choice. Now, you're at 220W or so on a max-test.

    You can check the voltages, +3.3V, +5V, +12V ad see if they
    are "wilting" and approaching the -5% level. 5V and 12V can be
    measured on a Molex 1x4.

    But just in general terms, unless the computer crashes once an
    hour while you're trying to use it, chances are the PSU is not
    faulty. If puffs of smoke come from the PSU, it smells funny,
    unless there are reasons to suspect it, that isn't it.

    *******

    Linux has write buffering. It's a FIFO of sorts.
    But, it has a weird behavior.

    If the source drive runs faster than the dest drive, we would
    normally expect the FIFO queue to fill up as time passes.

    The Linux one however, it does not write a damn thing until
    it is half full. Imagine we are doing our 10GB of writes before
    the wheels fall off. We could be thinking about our FIFO queue
    right now.

    The FIFO queue is likely at least, half full.

    The write buffering, normally in the design of those, the
    "size" of the queue is 1/8th to 1/10th of total system RAM.

    You're at 16GB, we'll call it 2GB then. That does not give
    an excuse for 10GB of writes to present a problem. Something
    could happen around the 2GB mark, say, or the 1GB mark (the
    half full point). But by the time we're copying 10GB, the
    FIFO Queue is full, it provides back pressure, and the reader
    process blocks until space is available in the FIFO Queue for
    more writes. After the transfer is "finished", it takes
    time for the queue to drain out to disk.

    # [Manual option} Using a mount command for example

    # When mounting your hard drives use -o sync which will
    # turn off write buffering for the drive.

    You can also set it up in your fstab:

    /dev/sda1 / ext4 sync 0 0

    One detail is, the automounter will already have mounted the volume.

    Maybe you could "remount -o sync" to make it stop write buffering
    the particular mount point.

    Or, in this thread, you can stop an EXT4 from automounting,
    then you could do your own mount of the USB thing. And then
    one of the options would be the equal of -o sync kind of thing.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=456525

    That's udev, and other distros may be using autofs.

    By using -o sync for the USB device, that stops write buffering and
    makes all writes go directly to disk.

    *******

    The other possibility, is there is a temperature issue, but the
    drive heating up at the 10GB point, seems a bit too quick. It should
    take longer than that to heat/overheat the thing. So this is not
    likely to be the case.

    In general, you don't want to use -o sync for all USB devices.
    The USB flash sticks would work better without it, the HDD in enclosure,
    don't mind either way (the hardware has options that allow smooth operation with 512 byte writes (while the internal sectors are 4096 bytes on a 512e drive).

    I would be testing this with two different OSes here, to see if it is ecosystem-specific.

    Paul






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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 04:58:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 12/20/2025 1:53 AM, Axel wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    it doesn't appear in Synaptic

    -a-a-a [Picture]-a Synaptic used to install GRSYNC, Menu shows the result >>>>
    -a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/QCPoEuN

    # Some pictures of GRSYNC.

    https://www.unixmen.com/grsync-gadmin-rsync-graphical-front-end-applications-rsync-tool/

    -a-a Paul
    p.s. it seems to me that although I have the file and can run it, somehow it's not installed on LM
    You can see in the picture, the grsync package comes with a desktop file.
    I even demonstrated a *menu* with grsync in it.

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png


    And from the command line:

    grsync

    Using "which" is to see if the path to it works.

    But you can also see from my Synaptic properties, a file list
    of exactly where everything is. You can check the list
    and see if the list shows a "/usr/bin/grsync" or similar.

    That picture I made for you, has lots of info about how
    to run a computer. The component parts of that picture
    are NOT a lark. The picture shows essential details
    for using your Package Manager to answer your questions about:

    1) Does a thing exist ?
    2) Is it installed ?
    No ? Then tick the box and install it.
    3) Use Properties to see it has a desktop file and an executable
    in the usual (logical) places for such.

    Now when you go to a Menu and type the name it should show up.
    If you open a terminal and use "which grsync" it might find it.

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal


    Things which are portable (a copy of Betterbird you downloaded),
    the portable folder is not in the path. It won't work from the
    Terminal. But if you find the .desktop file and stuff it
    somewhere, Betterbird will then be in the menu next to Thunderbird
    (which is installed via Synaptic and is not a portable program).

    I'm not feeding you fish, I'm teaching you how to fish.

    I appreciate it very much


    Paul


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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 06:57:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 2:45 AM, Axel wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 12/20/2025 12:03 AM, Axel wrote:
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:42:19 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 09:45:57 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 07:32:04 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That could be a bad SATA cable (or less likely, a bad SATA port >>>>>>>>>>> on the motherboard).

    File corruption would have been picked up by an rsync
    verification pass.

    I did get "copied with errors" messages at times, so then I would >>>>>>>>> copy each folder or file within the folder one by one and that >>>>>>>>> fixed it
    Did you verify the copies afterwards?
    yes. by byte count
    ThatrCOs pretty useless. No hashes?
    ???

    Let us make two files

    AAAAAABBBBCC

    AAAAAABBBBCD

    They both have the same byte count.

    Now, do

    -a-a-a sha256sum file1
    -a-a-a sha256sum file2

    and the checksums are entirely different. This is also termed "using hashes".

    It's why hashdeep was invented. Hashdeep can generate checksums
    for all the files in a source tree, then be used to audit
    the same files in a destination tree.

    -a-a-a sudo apt install hashdeep

    -a-a-a cd /home/felix

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0 -r Downloads > /tmp/audit.txt-a-a # Source tree is /home/felix/Downloads
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # It has our Golden Files.

    -a-a-a # The path value might be relative or absolute, and the reason >>>> -a-a-a # I am using the crafty "cd" values is to be able to audit a
    -a-a-a # relative path thing for identical contents. both recursive -r >>>> -a-a-a # point to the same "directory name".

    -a-a-a cd /media/mint/WDBLUE-a-a-a-a-a-a # The copied files we hope are the same.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # This is the destination we wish to audit for corruption.
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # The destination is our potentially unreliable copy as
    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a # /media/mint/WDBLUE/Downloads we did with our rsync.

    -a-a-a hashdeep -c md5 -j0-a -k /tmp/audit.txt -a -v -v -r Downloads > /tmp/audit-out.txt

    The "md5" is the fastest hash supported by hashdeep.
    The -j0 means "run the audit on a single thread as this is a hard drive >>>> -a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a and we really want the file list to be in predictable order".
    The -k specifies an audit file to compare against.
    The -a is "audit mode" and it expects -k to identify the audit file to use.
    The double verbose makes the output verbose
    The -r is for recursive descent below the Downloads tree.
    The audit-out.txt should identify destination files with a problem.

    That's the basic idea, but you can easily "fall into a hole"
    while using hashdeep, and it requires a good deal of hand holding.
    (I use this on both Windows and Linux.) You should open both "audit.txt" >>>> and "audit-out.txt" with a text editor and make sure the right things
    happened.

    There are more utilities than this, for comparing file trees.
    "Tripwire" would be an example of an old one.
    I'm making progress on the file transfer problem and will post soon.-a :) >>> also I found an app called Meld for checking folders

    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below) has >> LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for easy insertion
    and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the Timeshift disk, and the
    upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb mechanical disk formatted in Ext4.

    It also has two external USB cases for additional hard drives. Following a process
    of trial and error, I've discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs
    when I write to the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways
    NVME to USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without errors.

    I've also tested the RAM using memtester


    So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack.-a I replaced it, and
    also the cable, and swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port. >> Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes have their own power supply, I >> thought maybe it was a power issue within the PC.

    According to the newegg calculator

    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ]

    I need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped it out
    with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the Files disk if I >> transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about 10Gb, and today I tried an
    old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could write to it without limitation. ???

    This is a really confusing for me. I've lost track of what's been suggested to
    do so far, and I don't know what to try next, since I've run out of ideas. :(

    AMD Ryzen 5 5500|16 Gb RAM|1Tb NVME|NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030
    In reverse order, you should not start by fretting about power. I have a "Kill-o-Watt" meter, and it is currently connected to the Daily Driver.
    It shows 36 watts right now, as I type.

    The power calculation is a worst case. Maybe it assumes Prime95 running at the same time as Furmark (graphics burn-in program) are running. in other words,
    everything pushed to the wall. While you are doing the file copy test,
    things are not pushed to the wall.

    The processor is 64W (turbo or railing at ~130W maybe).
    The GT1030 is maybe 40W or so (It has no PCIe 2x3 or 2x4, and 60W is
    a rough max for a typical video card of that nature).

    You're not even remotely close to 550W, by analyzing the first
    consumers that come to mind. General motherboard power, we award
    50W as a random choice. Now, you're at 220W or so on a max-test.

    You can check the voltages, +3.3V, +5V, +12V ad see if they
    are "wilting" and approaching the -5% level. 5V and 12V can be
    measured on a Molex 1x4.

    But just in general terms, unless the computer crashes once an
    hour while you're trying to use it, chances are the PSU is not
    faulty. If puffs of smoke come from the PSU, it smells funny,
    unless there are reasons to suspect it, that isn't it.

    I was surprised it said I needed 750 watt, but I thought better safe
    than sorry

    *******

    Linux has write buffering. It's a FIFO of sorts.
    But, it has a weird behavior.

    If the source drive runs faster than the dest drive, we would
    normally expect the FIFO queue to fill up as time passes.

    The Linux one however, it does not write a damn thing until
    it is half full. Imagine we are doing our 10GB of writes before
    the wheels fall off. We could be thinking about our FIFO queue
    right now.

    The FIFO queue is likely at least, half full.

    The write buffering, normally in the design of those, the
    "size" of the queue is 1/8th to 1/10th of total system RAM.

    You're at 16GB, we'll call it 2GB then. That does not give
    an excuse for 10GB of writes to present a problem. Something
    could happen around the 2GB mark, say, or the 1GB mark (the
    half full point). But by the time we're copying 10GB, the
    FIFO Queue is full, it provides back pressure, and the reader
    process blocks until space is available in the FIFO Queue for
    more writes. After the transfer is "finished", it takes
    time for the queue to drain out to disk.

    # [Manual option} Using a mount command for example

    # When mounting your hard drives use -o sync which will
    # turn off write buffering for the drive.

    You can also set it up in your fstab:

    /dev/sda1 / ext4 sync 0 0

    One detail is, the automounter will already have mounted the volume.

    Maybe you could "remount -o sync" to make it stop write buffering
    the particular mount point.

    Or, in this thread, you can stop an EXT4 from automounting,
    then you could do your own mount of the USB thing. And then
    one of the options would be the equal of -o sync kind of thing.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=456525

    That's udev, and other distros may be using autofs.

    By using -o sync for the USB device, that stops write buffering and
    makes all writes go directly to disk.

    *******

    The other possibility, is there is a temperature issue, but the
    drive heating up at the 10GB point, seems a bit too quick. It should
    take longer than that to heat/overheat the thing. So this is not
    likely to be the case.

    I have successfully transferred larger folders eg. 50 Gb, but I usually transfer in smaller parcels to avoid the possibility of failure. Just
    now I successfully transferred 80 Gb from the NVME to the files disk. I
    will do some more testing to try to get to the bottom of this problem.


    In general, you don't want to use -o sync for all USB devices.
    The USB flash sticks would work better without it, the HDD in enclosure, don't mind either way (the hardware has options that allow smooth operation with 512 byte writes (while the internal sectors are 4096 bytes on a 512e drive).

    I would be testing this with two different OSes here, to see if it is ecosystem-specific.

    I can't use win10/11 since the files disk is formatted Ext4


    Paul


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Tue Dec 23 15:57:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Tue, 12/23/2025 2:57 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:

    I would be testing this with two different OSes here, to see if it is
    ecosystem-specific.

    I can't use win10/11 since the files disk is formatted Ext4

    There are Dokan/Dokany based methods. Maybe this one is
    Dokan as well. There is one "version" of Dokan which is
    favored for this sort of work (the latest Dokan might not be
    the best one).

    https://github.com/bobranten/Ext4Fsd

    What you would do on your EXT4 external, is you would
    create *two* partitions on the disk, blast over a chunk
    of stuff to the "expendable" partition, then transfer
    from there to the "real" partition. If the expendable
    is mis-behaving, you re-format with gparted and carry on.
    That's until you trust the thing.

    *******

    There are also commercial drivers placing EXT on Windows.

    https://www.paragon-software.com/home/linuxfs-windows/#

    The first driver I know of, was EXT2IFS (IFS stands for
    "Installable File System", a feature of Windows intended
    for this purpose, a kind of FUSE feature). But that one
    only did EXT and does not do EXT2,3,4. I used that for a short
    time, on a dual boot setup. That was a freebie.

    This stuff is all over the place. As you would suspect. I don't
    track all these, so I'm discovering this at the same time you are :-)

    https://windowsreport.com/ext4-windows-11/

    I think I would investigate the first one at the top.
    You'll still need to do your research, as I suspect it is
    a Dokan one. It would be unusual for someone to do all the
    layers custom. There are a hell of a lot of small Dokan
    projects nobody has ever heard of. That's why my first guess,
    is this is a Dokan based one.

    So I've only done one of these, and that was EXT2IFS. I haven't
    been motivated to mess around repeatedly with that stuff. I settled
    on NTFS for interworking (transfer partition), back when Knoppix 5.1
    came out. As I could kinda use NTFS for Mac, PC, and Linux at the time.
    The NTFS has always been a bit sketchy on Mac (could never be sure
    about writing, the status today officially is likely "no writes").
    And that's a lack-of-licensing issue as much as anything.

    Paul




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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 07:19:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for
    easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases
    for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and error, I've discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to
    USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.

    Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack. I replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within
    the PC. According to the newegg calculator [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I
    need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could
    write to it without limitation. ???

    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Tue Dec 23 16:20:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:


    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much

    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.

    This is LMDE7.

    [Picture] LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    Paul
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 13:13:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.

    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was the
    same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting grsync
    for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png


    This is LMDE7.

    [Picture] LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    Paul
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 13:16:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for
    easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases
    for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and error, I've
    discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to
    USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.
    Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?

    not specifically, but the drive is new, and the problem was present with
    any drive in that bay


    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack. I
    replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within
    the PC. According to the newegg calculator
    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I
    need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could
    write to it without limitation. ???
    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.


    no, unfortunately
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@not@telling.you.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 14:51:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for
    easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases
    for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and error, I've >>> discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to
    USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors.
    Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?

    not specifically, but the drive is new, and the problem was present with
    any drive in that bay

    C'mon you just said: "today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the
    rack, and I could write to it without limitation". Which of you do
    I believe?

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack. I
    replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within >>> the PC. According to the newegg calculator
    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I
    need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could
    write to it without limitation. ???
    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.


    no, unfortunately

    Unfortunately your story changes all the time...
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 16:28:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs below) >>>> has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for
    easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases
    for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and error, I've >>>> discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I write to >>>> the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to
    USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without errors. >>> Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?
    not specifically, but the drive is new, and the problem was present with
    any drive in that bay
    C'mon you just said: "today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the
    rack, and I could write to it without limitation". Which of you do
    I believe?

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile rack. I >>>> replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB boxes >>>> have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue within >>>> the PC. According to the newegg calculator
    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I
    need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I swapped >>>> it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I could >>>> write to it without limitation. ???
    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.

    no, unfortunately
    Unfortunately your story changes all the time...


    no it doesn't. read the whole thread if you want the full story
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 16:34:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs
    below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for >>>>> easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases >>>>> for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and
    error, I've
    discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I
    write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to >>>>> USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without
    errors.
    Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?
    not specifically, but the drive is new, and the problem was present
    with
    any drive in that bay
    C'mon you just said: "today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the
    rack, and I could write to it without limitation". Which of you do
    I believe?

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without
    errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile
    rack.-a I
    replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB
    boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue
    within
    the PC. According to the newegg calculator
    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I >>>>> need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I
    swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the
    Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about
    10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I
    could
    write to it without limitation. ???
    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.

    no, unfortunately
    Unfortunately your story changes all the time...


    no it doesn't. read the whole thread if you want the full story


    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant? or is the problem now fixed since i replaced the PS? more
    testing is needed. meanwhile.. Seasons greetings to you and all!
    --
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@not@telling.you.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 16:41:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    So the sad tale thus far. But first, some detail. This PC (specs
    below)
    has LM 22.2 installed on a 1Tb NVME. It also has two mobile racks for >>>>>> easy insertion and removal of HD's. The lower rack I use for the
    Timeshift disk, and the upper one for the files disk, a WD 1Tb
    mechanical disk formatted in Ext4. It also has two external USB cases >>>>>> for additional hard drives. Following a process of trial and
    error, I've
    discovered that the problem of file errors only occurs when I
    write to
    the files disk in the mobile rack. I can read/write both ways NVME to >>>>>> USB without errors, and read/write both ways USB to USB without
    errors.
    Does any of that mean you tried the most obvious thing of
    connecting the "files disk" without using the rack, in case the
    drive is faulty?
    not specifically, but the drive is new, and the problem was present
    with
    any drive in that bay
    C'mon you just said: "today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the
    rack, and I could write to it without limitation". Which of you do
    I believe?

    I can also read from the files disk to write to either USB without >>>>>> errors. So my trouble shooting has been focused on the mobile
    rack. I
    replaced it, and also the cable, and swapped the cable to another
    motherboard (MB) SATA port. Since USB transfers work, and the USB >>>>>> boxes
    have their own power supply, I thought maybe it was a power issue >>>>>> within
    the PC. According to the newegg calculator
    [https://promotions.newegg.com/tools/power-supply-calculator/v2/ ] I >>>>>> need 600 -700 watts for this PC. The PS was only 550 watts so I
    swapped
    it out with a 750 watt PS. Having said all this, I can write to the >>>>>> Files disk if I transfer folders/files in small lots of up to about >>>>>> 10Gb, and today I tried an old 320 Gb NTFS HD in the rack, and I
    could
    write to it without limitation. ???
    Sounds like you've just narrowed the issue down to the "files disk"
    itself.

    no, unfortunately
    Unfortunately your story changes all the time...


    no it doesn't. read the whole thread if you want the full story


    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology relevant?

    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 10:42:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 12/24/2025 1:41 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:

    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant?

    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s

    No guarantees, but maybe an

    lsusb

    and check the detection on the rack, would give
    some idea of the controller being used.

    That would make it easier to quantify what the rack contains.

    $ lsusb

    Bus 002 Device 004: ID 045e:076c Microsoft Corp. Comfort Mouse 4500
    ...
    Bus 006 Device 002: ID 174c:1053 ASMedia Technology Inc. USB3.0 Device

    bullwinkle@Legacy:~$ sudo dmesg

    [ 1.681416] scsi host8: uas
    [ 1.681686] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas
    [ 1.682244] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access ASMT 2105 0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
    [ 1.683985] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 15628053168 512-byte logical blocks: (8.00 TB/7.28 TiB)
    [ 1.684041] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 4096-byte physical blocks
    [ 1.684193] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
    [ 1.684237] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
    [ 1.684384] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
    [ 1.725872] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
    [ 1.725929] cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
    [ 1.730920] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Preferred minimum I/O size 4096 bytes
    [ 1.730995] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Optimal transfer size 33553920 bytes not a multiple of preferred minimum block size (4096 bytes)
    [ 1.777719] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 sdb5
    [ 1.778021] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk

    *******

    The 174c:1053 gives:

    ASMedia Technology ASM1053 SATA 3Gb/s bridge

    and it is detecting some 8TB drive.

    Paul


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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Wed Dec 24 10:47:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Tue, 12/23/2025 9:13 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    -a-a-a-a linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.

    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was the same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting grsync for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png


    This is LMDE7.

    -a-a-a [Picture]-a-a LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    -a-a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    -a-a-a Paul

    I set my search to "Description and Name".

    *******

    You can also do it from command line.
    It does not require sudo.

    apt search grsync

    It would normally be followed by

    sudo apt install grsync

    Paul
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 25 07:28:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    In aus.computers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 12/24/2025 1:41 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant?

    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s

    No guarantees, but maybe an

    lsusb

    and check the detection on the rack, would give
    some idea of the controller being used.

    He said "swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port"
    so that must mean the rack uses SATA connection/s to the
    motherboard, not USB. In that case "lsusb" won't show it. If the
    rack is poorly designed or an old model then maybe it introduces
    too much signal noise for operating at higer data speeds. Or maybe
    there's a bad connection, but he also said he replaced the rack.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Dec 25 01:27:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Wed, 12/24/2025 4:28 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 12/24/2025 1:41 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive >>>> and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant?

    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s

    No guarantees, but maybe an

    lsusb

    and check the detection on the rack, would give
    some idea of the controller being used.

    He said "swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port"
    so that must mean the rack uses SATA connection/s to the
    motherboard, not USB. In that case "lsusb" won't show it. If the
    rack is poorly designed or an old model then maybe it introduces
    too much signal noise for operating at higer data speeds. Or maybe
    there's a bad connection, but he also said he replaced the rack.


    OK. Maybe we're making progress then.

    It seemed that Southbridge ports were made "kinda ESATA compatible"
    by having their launch amplitude and receive sensitivity designed
    so the port could be used with ESATA.

    However, ESATA only seemed to be validated for SATA II, and not SATA III.
    The higher rate may be too much for it. I've never seem a reference
    to the SATAIO standards people, claiming ESATA was ready for SATA III
    (due to cable length).

    With Linux at least, you don't need to wait for the domain validation
    kind of logic to catch up with things.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/hegh2r/how_doshould_i_limit_sata_link_speed_on_a_hard/

    https://serverfault.com/questions/400338/how-to-reduce-the-sata-link-speed-of-drive-in-centos/400347#400347

    A kernel boot line of

    libata.force=3.0 # Gear-down all ports

    libata.force=1:3.0G \___ Makes the boot option port specific
    libata.force=2:3.0G /

    In /etc/default/grub where it says "quiet splash", that is where you could add that clause.

    So at least, now I know there is a lever, and it's a matter of studying
    the particular hardware (what chip is being used), to see if it is
    going to work, or seeing what "port numbering issue" might be at play.

    Some boards have a six port Southbridge plus an add-on chip driving two ESATA ports.
    In which case, I don't know how the ports will get numbered or identified.
    The above URLs go into that at bit.

    Paul
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 22:36:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    -a-a-a-a linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.

    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was
    the same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting
    grsync for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png

    why does no package show?



    This is LMDE7.

    -a-a-a [Picture]-a-a LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    -a-a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    -a-a-a Paul



    --
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    {I shot Felix and buried him}

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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 22:43:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

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    Axel wrote:
    vallor wrote:
    At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:07:46 +1100, Felix<none@not.here> wrote:

    Felix wrote:
    I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio, >>>> text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB >>>> case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using >>>> Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output >>>> error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with
    transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but >>>> still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an >>>> Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.

    does no one know why there is no menu item?
    You should have a menu item for grsync...


    I do. I replied to the wrong post. here is the context.. ......................................
    Gordon wrote:
    On 2025-12-15, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    I'm trying to get this app to appear in the menu..

    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can run the app
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu. ??

    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here... This
    will
    give you the desktop file.

    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item, it doesn't. viz: https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png

    also, this method doesn't work either .. https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png .......................................................................................................................................................

    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?".
    perhaps it has something to do with the program I am trying 'launch'?


    I think the menu may be corrupt. when I click on any items in the
    "places" listing, nothing happens. is there anyway to reset or reinstall
    the menu?
    --
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">At Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:07:46 +1100, Felix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:none@not.here" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;none@not.here&gt;</a> wrote:

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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Felix wrote:
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I need to transfer/copy a LOT of files of all kinds, eg. video, audio,
    text, html, etc., from NTFS formatted SATA mechanical drives via a USB
    case to an internal SATA mechanical drive formatted in Ext4, but using
    Nemo the file transfer often stops with an error message 'Input/Output
    error'. According to Mr. Google this is a common Linux problem with transferring/copying files, and due to inadequate buffering. I tried
    another copy app ( File Manager PCManFM ) that seemed a bit better but
    still had the problem. The task is unmanageable while this problem
    exists. What can I do about it? would more RAM help? I have 16 Gb
    installed. The CPU is AMD Ryzen 5 5500 |u 6. and the motherboard is an
    Asus Prime B550M-K

    Also I notice there have been replies to previous matters I have
    posted about, but I've been too busy to follow up on them all, but I
    intend to do so eventually.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">does no one know why there is no menu item?
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">You should have a menu item for grsync...

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I do. I replied to the wrong post. here is the context..<br>
    ......................................<br>
    Gordon wrote: <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">On 2025-12-15,
    Felix <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
    href="mailto:none@not.here" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;none@not.here&gt;</a>
    wrote: <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #006600;">I'm trying to
    get this app to appear in the menu.. <br>
    <br>
    /home/peter/LINUX/Packages/linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64 <br>
    <br>
    I've tried EVERY method to do it but they don't work! I can
    run the app <br>
    by double clicking it, but I can't make it appear in the menu.
    ?? <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    Right click on the destop and choose create new launcher here...
    This will <br>
    give you the desktop file. <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I had tried that, but even tho LM says it will create a menu item,
    it doesn't. viz:-a <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png"
    moz-do-not-send="true">https://auslink.info/linux/launcher.png</a>
    <br>
    <br>
    also, this method doesn't work either .. <a
    class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
    href="https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png"
    moz-do-not-send="true">https://auslink.info/linux/menu2.png</a><br> .......................................................................................................................................................<br>
    <br>
    hence my comment "does no one know why there is no menu item?".
    perhaps it has something to do with the program I am trying
    'launch'?<br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    I think the menu may be corrupt. when I click on any items in the
    "places" listing, nothing happens. is there anyway to reset or
    reinstall the menu?<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
    Linux Mint 22.2
    {I shot Felix and buried him}
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 22:59:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/24/2025 1:41 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant?
    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s
    No guarantees, but maybe an

    lsusb

    and check the detection on the rack, would give
    some idea of the controller being used.

    That would make it easier to quantify what the rack contains.

    the rack has no electronics in it. it's a straight pass through from the
    drive to the cable via a connector board at the rear


    $ lsusb

    Bus 002 Device 004: ID 045e:076c Microsoft Corp. Comfort Mouse 4500
    ...
    Bus 006 Device 002: ID 174c:1053 ASMedia Technology Inc. USB3.0 Device

    bullwinkle@Legacy:~$ sudo dmesg

    [ 1.681416] scsi host8: uas
    [ 1.681686] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas
    [ 1.682244] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access ASMT 2105 0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6
    [ 1.683985] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 15628053168 512-byte logical blocks: (8.00 TB/7.28 TiB)
    [ 1.684041] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 4096-byte physical blocks
    [ 1.684193] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
    [ 1.684237] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
    [ 1.684384] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
    [ 1.725872] sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
    [ 1.725929] cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
    [ 1.730920] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Preferred minimum I/O size 4096 bytes
    [ 1.730995] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Optimal transfer size 33553920 bytes not a multiple of preferred minimum block size (4096 bytes)
    [ 1.777719] sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 sdb5
    [ 1.778021] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk

    *******

    The 174c:1053 gives:

    ASMedia Technology ASM1053 SATA 3Gb/s bridge

    and it is detecting some 8TB drive.

    Paul


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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 23:11:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 9:13 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    -a-a-a-a linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.
    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was the same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting grsync for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png

    This is LMDE7.

    -a-a-a [Picture]-a-a LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    -a-a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    -a-a-a Paul
    I set my search to "Description and Name".

    *******

    yes, that put it in the package side :)

    You can also do it from command line.
    It does not require sudo.

    apt search grsync

    It would normally be followed by

    sudo apt install grsync

    peter@ASUS:~$ apt search linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    peter@ASUS:~$ sudo apt install linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    [sudo] password for peter:
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    E: Unable to locate package linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    peter@ASUS:~$

    ???

    and searching "description and name" doesn't show anything on the
    package side in Synaptic



    Paul
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  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 23:16:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 12/24/2025 1:41 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
    or in a nutshell.. the question now is why did it write to that drive
    and not others? is the size of the drive or it's software/technology
    relevant?
    Maybe that drive (or the NTFS driver) is just too slow for whatever
    signal issue you have with the rack to be triggered.

    I'm not sure if they still do it on new HDDs, but maybe there's a
    jumper setting on the other drives to limit the speed?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#SATA_1.5_Gbit/s_and_SATA_3_Gbit/s
    No guarantees, but maybe an

    lsusb

    and check the detection on the rack, would give
    some idea of the controller being used.
    He said "swapped the cable to another motherboard (MB) SATA port"
    so that must mean the rack uses SATA connection/s to the
    motherboard, not USB. In that case "lsusb" won't show it. If the
    rack is poorly designed or an old model then maybe it introduces
    too much signal noise for operating at higer data speeds. Or maybe
    there's a bad connection, but he also said he replaced the rack.


    the rack was in perfect condition. only reason I swapped it for a
    (brand) new one is because I had one on hand, and of course to eliminate
    the possibility that the original was defective in some way.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 08:14:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 12/27/2025 6:36 AM, Axel wrote:
    Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    -a-a-a-a linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.

    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was the same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting grsync for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png

    why does no package show?


    I don't know why :-)

    The package has been around for a while.

    https://www.opbyte.it/grsync/

    Notice the last release is 2023, but releases aren't all that
    often anyway, so maybe it still receives fixes.

    If a package has no maintainer, it can be remove from a repository.

    It's unlikely that merely "reloading" your Synaptic repository setting
    would cause the status of the package to change. You could try flipping
    to another mirror and flipping back and hope it reloads the files.

    Your LMDE7 should be a strong descendant of Debian Status, as the
    intention of developing LMDE7 was to have a distro ready in case
    Canonical asked the project to find another home. Or in case the
    smell of SNAPs from Ubuntu was too strong to put up with any more.

    You can see it's been in usage for some time on Mint.

    https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/grsync

    You can see questions like this.

    https://superuser.com/questions/1073336/list-all-packages-from-a-repository

    If I look on my SSD#11 on the Big Machine, this is what I get for LMDE7.
    I am using a Canadian mirror for the repo.

    cd /var/lib/apt/lists # That's the part I didn't copy over here...
    # You can see I'm in that directory when grep runs.
    # The -i is for "case insensitive search"

    /var/lib/apt/lists$ grep -i grsync mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages

    Package: grsync
    Source: grsync (1.3.1-1)
    Homepage: http://www.opbyte.it/grsync/
    Filename: pool/main/g/grsync/grsync_1.3.1-1+b1_amd64.deb

    Your file in the "lists" folder, will have some similar words on the
    end of the filename, but if you're using a mirror, the mirror name
    will be on the front of that filename.

    The file is "inconvenient", has long lines and xed did not like it.
    So I just used grep for a quick check. If I were to look on my mirror
    (web access), where the pool is stored, I would expect to find that .deb file in there.

    With mirrors, the mirror contents are all supposed to be the same (plus or minus
    some number of hours for propagation). Only if the mirror was un-maintained and the operator wasn't reading the log on the mirror server, could it "lose" something like that. And using Synaptic for a lookup, it isn't likely
    to actually poke at the pool, until you ask to install the package.

    This sort of command line (does not need root), should also do the search.

    apt search grsync

    Maybe your *_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages file is corrupted on your disk ?

    Highly unlikely. That never happens :-)

    And even when I use the "Reload" button on Synaptic on the left, this file does not change.

    bullwinkle@FLOTILLA:/var/lib/apt/lists$ ls -al mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages

    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56512991 Nov 15 05:08 mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages

    bullwinkle@FLOTILLA:/var/lib/apt/lists$ sha256sum !$ # The !$ means use the item off the "end" of the last command

    sha256sum mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages

    b4c29549115f07775b03dd65494c4df376fd4f4f827f24339edc5d26bc67a119 mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca_debian_dists_trixie_main_binary-amd64_Packages

    If all mirrors are working properly, then that's what your file should have for a sha256 sum.

    Paul
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Dec 27 08:20:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: aus.computers

    On Sat, 12/27/2025 7:11 AM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 9:13 PM, Axel wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Tue, 12/23/2025 12:58 PM, Axel wrote:

    when I do that there's nothing in the right hand pane for grsync

    https://auslink.info/linux/synaptic.png

    grsync is in the menu and loads from the terminal

    I appreciate it very much
    In your picture, you've just done a search on

    -a-a-a-a-a linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64

    and since that is not a .deb and is a portable ELF
    (not packaged properly but still usable), you don't
    expect to find it.

    In your picture, if you'd cursored up or used the mouse
    to select the "grsync" on the left, you would get to review
    the search result for that on the right. And, it would be there.
    I had tried firstly with grsync, as per your example. the result was the same, nothing on the right side. my mistake by not highlighting grsync for the screenshot.

    https://auslink.info/linux/grsync.png

    This is LMDE7.

    -a-a-a-a [Picture]-a-a LMDE7-grsync-synaptic.gif

    -a-a-a-a-a https://imgur.com/a/96wnrhS

    I can see the state of the package in the example, and it is
    not installed right now.

    But, the package is available.

    -a-a-a-a Paul
    I set my search to "Description and Name".

    *******

    yes, that put it in the package side :)

    You can also do it from command line.
    It does not require sudo.

    -a-a-a apt search grsync

    It would normally be followed by

    -a-a-a sudo apt install grsync

    peter@ASUS:~$ apt search linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    peter@ASUS:~$ sudo apt install linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    [sudo] password for peter:
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    E: Unable to locate package linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64
    peter@ASUS:~$

    ???

    and searching "description and name" doesn't show anything on the package side in Synaptic

    The linux_czkawka_gui_x86_64 file is NOT a .deb and is NOT in
    the repository as such. That is release 10, the Synaptic has the
    release 8 or so in .deb form. That is a "hot-off-the-press" and
    "unvetted goods" with all the dangers entailed in such.

    It's not a surprise as a result, that picking that name spells failure.

    You can search on "czkawka" and as a wild card any string with that
    as a substring should show up. There should be a reference to that
    older package you did not like (too small preview).

    Paul
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