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I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?
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Den 06.01.2026 kl. 11.24 skrev Liz Tuddenham:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

American?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/plead

Oxford has "pleaded" and doesn't mention "pled".
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On 06/01/2026 11:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/pleaded-pled/

[If the New Yorker uses it, it's fine by me. ]
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On 06/01/2026 11:59, occam wrote:

On 06/01/2026 11:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/commonly-confused-words/pleaded-pled/

[If the New Yorker uses it, it's fine by me. ]

P.S. You heard it on the BBC, but who was the speaker? Friend or son-of-a-Trump?
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Le 06/01/2026 |a 10:24, Liz Tuddenham a |-crit :

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

It's a known pronunciation and spelling variant of the past tense and
past participle in Scots and AmE (in place of 'pleaded'):

<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pled>

<https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pled>

In fact, to me, up here in the cold, windswept wasteland that is North Britain-|, it has come to seem more familiar than 'pleaded'.


-|Only kidding. It's a balmy 3-#C just now, with a small breeze.

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In article <1roiezl.1sas39v1k96p4wN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

It was good enough for Walter Scott.

-- Richard
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Den 06.01.2026 kl. 12.43 skrev Hibou:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

It's a known pronunciation and spelling variant of the past tense and
past participle in Scots and AmE (in place of 'pleaded'):

I prefer the strong conjugations if both options are allowed - and
sometimes even if not.

In fact, to me, up here in the cold, windswept wasteland that is North Britain-|, it has come to seem more familiar than 'pleaded'.

Windswept were not, but temperatures between -5-#C and -10-#C is cold. The snow is nice, however.
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Den 06.01.2026 kl. 16.07 skrev Bertel Lund Hansen:

Windswept were not, but temperatures between -5-#C and -10-#C is cold. The snow is nice, however.

Insert ' where appropriate.
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 11:43:37 +0000, Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

Le 06/01/2026 |a 10:24, Liz Tuddenham a |-crit :

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

It's a known pronunciation and spelling variant of the past tense and
past participle in Scots and AmE (in place of 'pleaded'):

<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pled>

<https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pled>

In fact, to me, up here in the cold, windswept wasteland that is North >Britain-|, it has come to seem more familiar than 'pleaded'.

I read somewhere that the Scots were going to abolish the "not proven"
verdict. Perhaps we should go back to "proved".

Do you pronounce it "proven" or "prooven"?
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Op 6/01/2026 om 16:19 schreef Bertel Lund Hansen:

Den 06.01.2026 kl. 16.07 skrev Bertel Lund Hansen:

Windswept were not, but temperatures between -5-#C and -10-#C is cold.
The snow is nice, however.

Insert ' where appropriate.

It also were appropriate ;-)
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In article <71gqlk9q56bli8db06dc4usj1hv3k6quc9@4ax.com>,
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

I read somewhere that the Scots were going to abolish the "not proven" >verdict. Perhaps we should go back to "proved".

After a period where the only verdicts available were "proven" and
"not proven", in the 18th century juries started returning "not
guilty" to mean "he did it but we don't think it was a crime" (e.g.
for accidental killing).

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven

However, jurors have come to mistakenly assume it means "we think he
did it but they haven't completely proved it".

It was abolished for new trials from 1 January this year.

Do you pronounce it "proven" or "prooven"?

Rhymes with "woven".

-- Richard
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Den 06.01.2026 kl. 18.04 skrev Steve Hayes:

I read somewhere that the Scots were going to abolish the "not proven" verdict. Perhaps we should go back to "proved".

Do you pronounce it "proven" or "prooven"?

Oxford Learner's has three pronunciations. I pronounce it and "prove"
like "proof".
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On 06/01/26 21:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Mine.

I hadn't realised that "pleaded" was still in use.
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Newcastle, NSW
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In article <10jk07o$5vr0$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 06/01/26 21:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Mine.

I hadn't realised that "pleaded" was still in use.

I think this is another case of false analogy with a strong verb
causing a sympathetic irregularity in what was historically a regular
(weak) verb, similar to dive/dove. I'm just slightly surprised that
in this modern example the more regular spelling "pled" has been
adopted, as in lead/led, rather than zero derivation as in read/read.

-GAWollman
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On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.
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It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
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On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.
--
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
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In article <10jk233$s0s$1@usenet.csail.mit.edu>, wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu says...

In article <10jk07o$5vr0$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

On 06/01/26 21:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Mine.

I hadn't realised that "pleaded" was still in use.

I think this is another case of false analogy with a strong verb
causing a sympathetic irregularity in what was historically a regular
(weak) verb, similar to dive/dove. I'm just slightly surprised that
in this modern example the more regular spelling "pled" has been
adopted, as in lead/led, rather than zero derivation as in read/read.

-GAWollman

"The accused man pled guilty" works.

"The child pled for a puppy" doesn't. In that instance
I'd use pleaded.

Janet
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In article <MPG.43c85a7aa06cbc9e41d@news.individual.net>,
Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

"The accused man pled guilty" works.

"The child pled for a puppy" doesn't. In that instance
I'd use pleaded.

When two forms coexist it is common for them to specialize into
different semantic fields. Of course, it is also common for people to
say "we don't need these two separate words" and try to unify them.

-GAWollman
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On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?
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On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.
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On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to
the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.
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Sam Plusnet hat am 08.01.2026 um 19:49 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty. >>>>> What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to
the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.

Where can we find an online dictionary of Jamaican slang, just in case
there are direct flights there from the EU without a stopover in the US?
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On 2026-01-08 12:49, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty. >>>>> What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to
the one you had in mind.-a Offensive and not at all PC.

I see. Nope, I definitely not Jamaican, mon.
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Ergo Fortibus es in ero.
O Nobili! Deis Trux.
Vatis inem?
Causen Dux!
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On 08/01/2026 19:44, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 08.01.2026 um 19:49 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled" guilty. >>>>>> What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to
the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.

Where can we find an online dictionary of Jamaican slang, just in case
there are direct flights there from the EU without a stopover in the US?

Google?
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Sam Plusnet hat am 09.01.2026 um 00:23 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 19:44, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 08.01.2026 um 19:49 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled"
guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to >>> the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.

Where can we find an online dictionary of Jamaican slang, just in case
there are direct flights there from the EU without a stopover in the US?

Google?

I could, if I wanted to, but I hoped that someone has a link ready. BTW,
how come you know Jamaican slang?
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On 2026-01-09 06:49, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 09.01.2026 um 00:23 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 19:44, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 08.01.2026 um 19:49 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled"
guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to >>>> the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.

Where can we find an online dictionary of Jamaican slang, just in case
there are direct flights there from the EU without a stopover in the US?

Google?

I could, if I wanted to, but I hoped that someone has a link ready. BTW,
how come you know Jamaican slang?

Weh yuh tink, mon, dat him some kind a bombo clot?
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On 09/01/2026 12:49, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 09.01.2026 um 00:23 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 19:44, Silvano wrote:

Sam Plusnet hat am 08.01.2026 um 19:49 geschrieben:

On 08/01/2026 03:53, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-07 13:44, Sam Plusnet wrote:

On 07/01/2026 05:43, lar3ryca wrote:

On 2026-01-06 04:24, Liz Tuddenham wrote:

I've just heard on BBC Radio 4 that one of the accused "Pled"
guilty.
What language does that come form?

Drives me batty.

Are you Jamaican?

I fear you have whooshed me, sir.

"Batty" or "Batty boy" in Jamaican slang has a very different meaning to >>>> the one you had in mind. Offensive and not at all PC.

Where can we find an online dictionary of Jamaican slang, just in case
there are direct flights there from the EU without a stopover in the US?

Google?

I could, if I wanted to, but I hoped that someone has a link ready. BTW,
how come you know Jamaican slang?

Well, I could claim it's because my father spent time there during WWII,
but that would be untrue (the claim, not his spending time there) - and anyway, that almost certainly predates that item of slang.

In truth, if you live long enough one comes across all kinds of
information, and the more inconsequential it is the more likely it is to
lodge in my brain.
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 22:11:59 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

In truth, if you live long enough one comes across all kinds of
information, and the more inconsequential it is the more likely it is to >lodge in my brain.

One came to mind yesterday.

An answer to a TV quiz question was "Something & Dean".

And I immediately recalled that the UK cinema ads of 60 years ago were
brought to you by the advertising agency "Pearl & Dean", which were
the UK equivalent of South Africa's "Alexander's Filmads of the Week"

I must make a note of that as something to include when I'm writing a
novel set in the 1960s to make it seem authentic (along with the
cigrette smoke lazily swirling up through the projector beam).
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On 10/01/2026 01:57, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 22:11:59 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

In truth, if you live long enough one comes across all kinds of
information, and the more inconsequential it is the more likely it is to
lodge in my brain.

One came to mind yesterday.

An answer to a TV quiz question was "Something & Dean".

And I immediately recalled that the UK cinema ads of 60 years ago were brought to you by the advertising agency "Pearl & Dean", which were
the UK equivalent of South Africa's "Alexander's Filmads of the Week"

It brought to my mind a picture of an Indian Restaurant's flock
wallpaper and the words:
"Only 100 yards from this Cinema."

I must make a note of that as something to include when I'm writing a
novel set in the 1960s to make it seem authentic (along with the
cigrette smoke lazily swirling up through the projector beam).

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On Sat, 10 Jan 2026 03:07:00 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

On 10/01/2026 01:57, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jan 2026 22:11:59 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

In truth, if you live long enough one comes across all kinds of
information, and the more inconsequential it is the more likely it is to >>> lodge in my brain.

One came to mind yesterday.

An answer to a TV quiz question was "Something & Dean".

And I immediately recalled that the UK cinema ads of 60 years ago were
brought to you by the advertising agency "Pearl & Dean", which were
the UK equivalent of South Africa's "Alexander's Filmads of the Week"

It brought to my mind a picture of an Indian Restaurant's flock
wallpaper and the words:
"Only 100 yards from this Cinema."

Quite correct. The Husainabad Restaurant was almost exactly that
distance from the Odeon in Streatham High Street.
--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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