Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Coopery_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20blame%20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills.
I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s
and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws
to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a
couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator.
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return
the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it
died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son
asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it
used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't
last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike
the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said
he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be
higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small
"bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that
was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an
accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances_reall
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software
needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all,
thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is >required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
On 2025-12-18, J. J. Lodder wrote:all
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills.
I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s
and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws
to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a
couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator.
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return
the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it
died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son
asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it
used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't
last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike
the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said
he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be
higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small
"bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that
was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an
accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances_re
20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.y_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20blame%
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all, thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Coopery_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20blame%
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore >>>>> refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills. >>>>>> I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s >>>>>> and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws
to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a
couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator. >>>>>
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return >>>>> the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it >>>>> died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son >>>>> asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it
used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't >>>>> last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike >>>>> the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said
he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be >>>>> higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small >>>>> "bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that >>>>> was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an
accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances_re
all
20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software
needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all,
thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is
required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
They may not even have the source code,
Jan
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, J. J. Lodder wrote:all
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore >> >> >refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills.
I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s
and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws
to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a
couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator. >> >> >
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return
the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it
died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son
asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it
used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't >> >> >last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike >> >> >the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said
he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be
higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small
"bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that
was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an
accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances_re
20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.y_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20blame%
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software
needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all,
thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is
required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
They may not even have the source code,
On 2026-01-06, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Coopery_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20blame%
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore >>>>>> refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills. >>>>>>> I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s >>>>>>> and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws >>>>>>> to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a >>>>>> couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator. >>>>>>
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return >>>>>> the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it >>>>>> died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son >>>>>> asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it >>>>>> used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't >>>>>> last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike >>>>>> the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said >>>>>> he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be >>>>>> higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small >>>>>> "bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that >>>>>> was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an >>>>>> accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances_re
all
20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software
needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all,
thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is
required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
They may not even have the source code,
No source code -> no copyright is how it should work.
On 2026-01-06, J. J. Lodder wrote:_re
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2025-12-18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:57:19 -0500, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
Or - the extra cost for a more efficient refrigerator, washingJust before I sold my former home to my son, I purchased a new Kenmore >> >> >refrigerator from Sears. Fortunately, I also added an extended
machine, etc., is more than paid for by the cheaper electric bills. >> >> >>I pointed out that trivia to a call-in radio host back in the 1970s >> >> >>and I expect it has remained true. Still, it probably needed laws
to get rid of incandescent light bulbs as the standard.
warranty. A month after the regular warranty expired, the
refrigerator compressor died.
Sears repaired the refrigerator two times, but the repairs lasted a
couple of weeks each. The third time Sears replaced the refrigerator. >> >> >
A month later the new one died. This time, my son was able to return >> >> >the Sears unit and get a Samsung refrigerator. The compressor in it >> >> >died a few weeks ago.
Samsung sent a repair person who installed a new compressor. My son >> >> >asked the repair person why refrigerators die so often now when it
used to be that a refrigerator would last for decades.
The repair person said that the "energy saving" compressors just don't >> >> >last like the pre-energy saving refrigerator's compressors did. Unlike >> >> >the Maytag repairman in the TV ads, the Samsung repair person said
he's busy five days a week replacing compressors and ice makers.
The electricity bills may be lower, but the overall cost seems to be >> >> >higher with "engery saving".
And, by the way, when a refrigerator does conk out, and a factory
technician is required to fix it, it can take weeks to get the
appointment for the technician to make the call. My son has a small >> >> >"bar refrigerator"(that I bought 15 years ago) in another room that >> >> >was used until the technician came on those calls. Not much of an
accomodation for a family of five with hungry teenagers.
I looked at a couple of articles.
Here's a commentary on live-span of appliances. Some graphs.
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2025/03/01/do_household_appliances
me%all
y_not_last_as_long_as_they_used_to_1093575.html#:~:text=Technicians%20bla
20an%20industry%20push,and%20more%20costly%20to%20repair.
Yep, some don't last as long as they used to. But the extra
electronics and added features of refrigerators seem to get
blamed for them. I did see one comment about energy-
efficient compressors, but more comments about other stuff,
oincluding, more plastics and less metal in construction.
And in particular, the software needed to use that electronics.
The always evil European Commission is brooding on Euro legislation
to the point that if an 'intelligent' appliance is sold with software
needed to use that 'intelligence,
then that software -must- be maintained
for at least some given number of years.
Likewise, if websites are necessary, they must be kept up.
There have been complaints about .app-s not being maintained at all,
thereby making the appliance non-intelligent, or even unusable,
IMO copyright law should require full source code for copyrighted
executables to be lodged with the national copyright agency, which is
required to invalidate the copyright and publish the source code the
minute the copyright holder stops maintaining or supporting it
(incuding security updates for operating systems).
They may not even have the source code,
No source code -> no copyright is how it should work.
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