• Re: OT: Table manners

    From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 08:39:58 2026
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    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 01.53 skrev Peter Moylan:

    Apparently there were cases in the past where good manners caused
    someone to burst a bladder.

    Danish:

    https://lex.dk/Tycho_Brahe

    If you are referrring to Thygo Brahe I can tell you that it is partly a
    false myth. He did get a urinate problem, but the cause of his death is unknown. The idea that he died of Quicksilver poisoning is also false.
    The contents in his body were too small to kill him.

    You cannot hold back urin if you have to pee strongly enough.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english,alt.food.fast-food on Sat Jan 3 08:43:02 2026
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    Den 02.01.2026 kl. 23.45 skrev micky:

    Most people don't do this on purpose, so in that case, it's not rude.
    And I doubt she did it on purpose the first time either.

    My experience is that you can always control a fart long enough to let
    it go away from others. A burp on the other hand can take you completely
    by surprise though it's usually controlable.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Bryan Simmons@bryangsimmons@gmail.com to alt.usage.english,alt.food.fast-food on Sat Jan 3 04:16:57 2026
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    On 1/3/2026 1:30 AM, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 02.01.2026 kl. 23.53 skrev Bryan Simmons:

    even better is to blame the dog.

    One of the many reasons I'd never have a dog is that they stink.

    WIWAL we had a dog. To the best of my memory it never smelled unpleasantly.

    Some people like the smell of dogs. Same for horses. I find both repulsive.
    --
    --Bryan https://www.instagram.com/bryangsimmons/

    For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
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    "Most of the food described here is nauseating.
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  • From Charles Hope@clh@candehope.me.uk to alt.usage.english,alt.food.fast-food on Sat Jan 3 11:45:15 2026
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    On 03/01/2026 07:43, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 02.01.2026 kl. 23.45 skrev micky:

    Most people don't do this on purpose, so in that case, it's not rude.
    And I doubt she did it on purpose the first time either.

    My experience is that you can always control a fart long enough to let
    it go away from others.
    I have damaged kidneys and take Sodium Bi-Carb in significant amounts. I cannot control my farts. They happen.

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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 10:00:37 2026
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    On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:30:56 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 02.01.2026 kl. 23.53 skrev Bryan Simmons:

    even better is to blame the dog.

    One of the many reasons I'd never have a dog is that they stink.

    WIWAL we had a dog. To the best of my memory it never smelled unpleasantly.

    I've had many dogs over the years. They were alway pleasant when
    smelling other dogs. However, when wet, they often smelt unpleasant.

    Drifting a bit...When going to someone's dwelling, if the person owns
    dogs there is seldom an unpleasant odor. If the person owns cats,
    there is often an unpleasant odor. Why is cat urine so different?

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  • From Tony Cooper@tonycooper214@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 10:06:07 2026
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    On Sat, 3 Jan 2026 08:43:02 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

    Den 02.01.2026 kl. 23.45 skrev micky:

    Most people don't do this on purpose, so in that case, it's not rude.
    And I doubt she did it on purpose the first time either.

    My experience is that you can always control a fart long enough to let
    it go away from others. A burp on the other hand can take you completely
    by surprise though it's usually controlable.

    I agree. I have never let loose a fart when in the company of others
    where doing so would have been inappropriate. A belch, though, cannot
    be contained or delayed.

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 17:00:51 2026
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    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 16.00 skrev Tony Cooper:

    Drifting a bit...When going to someone's dwelling, if the person owns
    dogs there is seldom an unpleasant odor. If the person owns cats,
    there is often an unpleasant odor. Why is cat urine so different?

    It's not a question of the urine but of the training. Cats are more
    difficult to train. My eldest daughter is on her second cat, and there's
    no trace of cat smell in the house.
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    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From nospam@nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 20:48:52 2026
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    Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    On 03/01/26 11:14, Snidely wrote:

    I am not sure where farting would be considered polite, but one
    normally doesn't have a choice to defer a fart; sometimes one has a
    bit warning, and can clamp down enough to lower the windspeed, but rescheduling a fart isn't a practical thing AFAIK.

    Apparently there were cases in the past where good manners caused
    someone to burst a bladder. I don't know what would happen if one successfully held on to a fart, but it probably wouldn't be good.

    That was a 'junior science' question here, some time ago.
    The answer given was that, when permanently held,
    the gas will ultimately come out at the other end.

    It was an expert who said so, so who am I to doubt it?

    Jan

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  • From Snidely@snidely.too@gmail.com to alt.usage.english on Sat Jan 3 13:34:49 2026
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    Bertel Lund Hansen explained :
    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 16.00 skrev Tony Cooper:

    Drifting a bit...When going to someone's dwelling, if the person owns
    dogs there is seldom an unpleasant odor.

    Puppies and older dogs often up the count of unpleasant odors.

    If the person owns cats,
    there is often an unpleasant odor. Why is cat urine so different?

    It's not a question of the urine but of the training.

    Cat urine is indeed one of the stronger-smelling scents, and kitty
    litter formulas are often trying to hide that, often with perfume.
    Puppy pads rarely have perfume, AFAIK

    Cats are more difficult
    to train.

    Cats learn to use cat box very quickly ... it plays to their instincts.
    But cats may express territoriality as inappropriately as Trump does.

    My eldest daughter is on her second cat, and there's no trace of
    cat smell in the house.

    One cat at a time? That's easier than multiple cats.

    /dps
    --
    Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
    future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
    virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 08:42:35 2026
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    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 22.34 skrev Snidely:

    My eldest daughter is on her second cat, and there's no trace of cat
    smell in the house.

    One cat at a time?-a That's easier than multiple cats.

    The second cat is quite new, and that's probably the reason that I
    forgot to mention my youngest daughter who has had two cats for many
    years (the same two). There's no unpleasant smell in her apartment either.

    I have to admit, though, that my smell sense is not what it used to be,
    but I think that cat smell is able to overcome that obstacle.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 08:51:24 2026
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    Le 03/01/2026 |a 15:00, Tony Cooper a |-crit :

    Drifting a bit...When going to someone's dwelling, if the person owns
    dogs there is seldom an unpleasant odor. If the person owns cats,
    there is often an unpleasant odor. Why is cat urine so different?


    Cats' urine is highly concentrated because, like their ancestors who
    lived in the desert, they conserve water. For this reason, their stools
    are dry, too.

    I assume it's the same ancestry that makes them hate rain. Making
    oneself waterproof presumably has a metabolic cost, and isn't worth it
    if rain is rare.

    I remember that when I were a lad we had a kitten that wasn't yet house-trained. One day it started leaking indoors. With astonishing
    presence of mind, my brother picked it up and held it by an open
    fanlight, so most of the stream went outside.

    I expect the kitten was as astonished as I was.

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  • From Hibou@vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid to alt.usage.english,alt.food.fast-food on Sun Jan 4 08:57:36 2026
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    Le 02/01/2026 |a 22:03, Peter Moylan a |-crit :

    This story will make sense only to those who understand French.

    A man was at a formal dinner when he felt the pressure at his rear exit,
    so he went to another (empty) room and let it rip. As he was flapping
    the tails of his coat to get rid of the small, a waiter came in and saw
    him apparently doing a dance.

    "Ah, monsieur, quelle p|-tulance!" said the waiter.

    The man replied "Monsieur! Il ne faut pas me tutoyer."


    <Smile>

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@rundtosset@lundhansen.dk to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 10:14:15 2026
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    Den 04.01.2026 kl. 09.51 skrev Hibou:

    I assume it's the same ancestry that makes them hate rain.

    Once in school I watched a tractor with a snow fan removing the sludge
    snow from the school yard. The watery sludge was sent in a high arc to
    the side. A little cat ran precisely where the sludge fell down
    following the advance of the tractor while dancing and apparently
    enjoying the bath.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Peter Moylan@peter@pmoylan.org to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 20:49:20 2026
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    On 04/01/26 20:14, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 04.01.2026 kl. 09.51 skrev Hibou:

    I assume it's the same ancestry that makes them hate rain.

    Once in school I watched a tractor with a snow fan removing the
    sludge snow from the school yard. The watery sludge was sent in a
    high arc to the side. A little cat ran precisely where the sludge
    fell down following the advance of the tractor while dancing and
    apparently enjoying the bath.

    I've just read an article in /New Scientists/ that says cats can be
    trained to like water aerobics.

    That, by the way, was the only issue of /New Scientist/ I've read in a
    long time. I'm disappointed by what looks like a drop in standards. I
    felt as if I was reading /Science for Dummies/.
    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW
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  • From athel.cb@gmail.com@user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 14:16:52 2026
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    Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> posted:

    Den 04.01.2026 kl. 09.51 skrev Hibou:

    I assume it's the same ancestry that makes them hate rain.

    Once in school I watched a tractor with a snow fan removing the sludge
    snow from the school yard. The watery sludge was sent in a high arc to
    the side. A little cat ran precisely where the sludge fell down
    following the advance of the tractor while dancing and apparently
    enjoying the bath.

    If urine, faeces and odour are a problem I recommend gerbils. As long they have lettuce or something similar available they don't drink and don't urinate, and their faeces are dry and almost odourless.
    --
    athel

    Living in Marseilles for 38 years; mainly in England before that
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  • From Sam Plusnet@not@home.com to alt.usage.english on Sun Jan 4 21:25:25 2026
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    On 04/01/2026 07:42, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 22.34 skrev Snidely:

    My eldest daughter is on her second cat, and there's no trace of cat
    smell in the house.

    One cat at a time?-a That's easier than multiple cats.

    The second cat is quite new, and that's probably the reason that I
    forgot to mention my youngest daughter who has had two cats for many
    years (the same two). There's no unpleasant smell in her apartment either.

    I have to admit, though, that my smell sense is not what it used to be,
    but I think that cat smell is able to overcome that obstacle.

    The one thing I would like to know is why Box hedges smell like tomcat
    pee?
    (Male cat pee is much more smelly than the female output - and is used
    to mark territory.)
    --
    Sam Plusnet
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  • From Janet@nobody@home.com to alt.usage.english on Mon Jan 5 11:52:08 2026
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    In article <8VA6R.907$0qDf.618@fx02.ams1>, not@home.com
    says...

    On 04/01/2026 07:42, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 03.01.2026 kl. 22.34 skrev Snidely:

    My eldest daughter is on her second cat, and there's no trace of cat
    smell in the house.

    One cat at a time?a That's easier than multiple cats.

    The second cat is quite new, and that's probably the reason that I
    forgot to mention my youngest daughter who has had two cats for many
    years (the same two). There's no unpleasant smell in her apartment either.

    I have to admit, though, that my smell sense is not what it used to be, but I think that cat smell is able to overcome that obstacle.

    The one thing I would like to know is why Box hedges smell like tomcat
    pee?

    So do laburnum flowers. My school teacher was rudely
    ungrateful for my lovely gift, I never took her flower
    again.


    Janet


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