On 02/01/26 23:44, Janet wrote:
In article <10j583l$3as5k$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org
says...
[...] But descriptive of the position of the English, who believe that
Great Britain includes Ireland.
No, we don't. We know that Great Britain is the largest of the
British Isles ; home of England Wales and Scotland.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say is that the
English believe that Ireland is one of the British Isles. The Irish do
not necessarily agree that their island is a British Isle.
On 2026-01-02 07:02, Janet wrote:
In article <10j5jvv$3dnm6$2@dont-email.me>,
rundtosset@lundhansen.dk says...
Den 31.12.2025 kl. 18.05 skrev lar3ryca:
Prepare yourself for hearing about Emperor Trump.
Well, he won't be an emperor because the USA is not an empire.
That won't stop him.
He's already taken over the Gulf Of America; Greenland
Canada and Venezuela are next.
Has he? No matter what the ?? calls it, it's still not named that.
As for taking over Canada, the moment US soldiers cross the border, I'll
be ready. I may only get one shot, but I'' do my damndest to make it count.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2026-01-02 07:02, Janet wrote:
In article <10j5jvv$3dnm6$2@dont-email.me>,
rundtosset@lundhansen.dk says...
Den 31.12.2025 kl. 18.05 skrev lar3ryca:
Prepare yourself for hearing about Emperor Trump.
Well, he won't be an emperor because the USA is not an empire.
That won't stop him.
He's already taken over the Gulf Of America; Greenland
Canada and Venezuela are next.
Has he? No matter what the ?? calls it, it's still not named that.
As for taking over Canada, the moment US soldiers cross the border, I'll
be ready. I may only get one shot, but I'' do my damndest to make it count.
Better save it for resistance after the fact,
Ar an tri. lb de m0 Eanair, scr0obh Peter Moylan:
On 02/01/26 23:44, Janet wrote:
In article <10j583l$3as5k$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org
says...
[...] But descriptive of the position of the English, who believe that >> Great Britain includes Ireland.
No, we don't. We know that Great Britain is the largest of the
British Isles ; home of England Wales and Scotland.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say is that the English believe that Ireland is one of the British Isles. The Irish do
not necessarily agree that their island is a British Isle.
Janet was very helpful with this; she describes Jersey, circa 22 km from the French coast, south-southwest of Cherbourg, 137 km from England, connected to Normandy at the last Ice Age, as a British isle. This is not a physical geographic judgement.
If it is a political judgement, Britain does not run the
bulk of the island of Ireland and the Republic has not been in the Commonwealth
since 1949; it sounds irredentist to call Ireland a British isle.
On 03/01/26 21:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2026-01-02 07:02, Janet wrote:
In article <10j5jvv$3dnm6$2@dont-email.me>,
rundtosset@lundhansen.dk says...
Den 31.12.2025 kl. 18.05 skrev lar3ryca:
Prepare yourself for hearing about Emperor Trump.
Well, he won't be an emperor because the USA is not an empire.
That won't stop him.
-a-a He's already taken over the Gulf Of America; Greenland
Canada and Venezuela are next.
Has he? No matter what the ?? calls it, it's still not named that.
As for taking over Canada, the moment US soldiers cross the border, I'll >>> be ready. I may only get one shot, but I'' do my damndest to make it
count.
Better save it for resistance after the fact,
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase. Oops, there
goes the Peace Prize.
Ar an tri. lb de m0 Eanair, scr0obh Peter Moylan:
On 02/01/26 23:44, Janet wrote:
In article <10j583l$3as5k$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org
says...
[...] But descriptive of the position of the English, who believe that >> Great Britain includes Ireland.
No, we don't. We know that Great Britain is the largest of the
British Isles ; home of England Wales and Scotland.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say is that the English believe that Ireland is one of the British Isles. The Irish do
not necessarily agree that their island is a British Isle.
Janet was very helpful with this; she describes Jersey, circa 22 km from
the French coast, south-southwest of Cherbourg, 137 km from England, connected to Normandy at the last Ice Age, as a British isle. This is not
a physical geographic judgement. If it is a political judgement, Britain
does not run the bulk of the island of Ireland and the Republic has not
been in the Commonwealth since 1949; it sounds irredentist to call Ireland
a British isle.
In article <87eco7t3x2.fsf@parhasard.net>,
kehoea@parhasard.net says...
Ar an tri. lb de m0 Eanair, scr0obh Peter Moylan:
On 02/01/26 23:44, Janet wrote:
In article <10j583l$3as5k$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org
says...
[...] But descriptive of the position of the English, who believe that >> > >> Great Britain includes Ireland.
No, we don't. We know that Great Britain is the largest of the
British Isles ; home of England Wales and Scotland.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say is that the
English believe that Ireland is one of the British Isles. The Irish do
not necessarily agree that their island is a British Isle.
Janet was very helpful with this; she describes Jersey, circa 22 km from the >> French coast, south-southwest of Cherbourg, 137 km from England, connected to
Normandy at the last Ice Age, as a British isle. This is not a physical
geographic judgement.
Shetland is much further away (170 km) from mainland
Britain, but still part of the British Isles.
Britain does not run the Channel Islands either, yet
they are still physically and geographically anchored in
the English Channel.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Janet hat am 03.01.2026 um 19:37 geschrieben:
Britain does not run the Channel Islands either, yet
they are still physically and geographically anchored
in the English Channel.
You're free to call it the English Channel in your language.
We, the people from France, Italy and many other countries
disagree, when we speak our languages. La Manche (FR), (canale
del)la Manica (IT), -rmelkanal (DE), canal de la Mancha (ES),
het Kanaal (NL) usw.
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil"
will become an arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of
thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap
Zelenskyy.
Ar an tri|| l|i de m|! Eanair, scr|!obh Peter Moylan:otland.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say is
that the English believe that Ireland is one of the British
Isles. The Irish do not necessarily agree that their island
is a British Isle.
Janet was very helpful with this; she describes Jersey, circa
22 km from the French coast, south-southwest of Cherbourg, 137
km from England, connected to Normandy at the last Ice Age, as
a British isle. This is not a physical geographic judgement.
If it is a political judgement, Britain does not run the bulk
of the island of Ireland and the Republic has not been in the
Commonwealth since 1949;
it sounds irredentist to call Ireland a British isle.
Sorry, I used the wrong term there. What I meant to say
is that the English believe that Ireland is one of the
British Isles.
The Irish do not necessarily agree that their island is
a British Isle.
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >before now. I find that hard to accept.
The term "British Isle" is not recognised by the Irish
government as being applicable to Ireland, whilst geography
teachers over here do not use that term in relation to the
island of Ireland.
https://medium.com/o6o-international/why-ireland-is-not-a-british-isle-2bad28685777
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
If they don't, it
will expose this "rules-based international order" thing as a massive
con, if the failure to impose sanctions on Netanyahu has not already
done so.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
Strange how so many people have already forgotten or did not even notice
that Russian troops had reached the outskirts of Kyiv in the first day
of the full-scale invasion and were aiming at the presidential palace,
either to kidnap or to kill Zelenskyy.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >> >before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser >countries are not.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
Strange how so many people have already forgotten or did not even notice
that Russian troops had reached the outskirts of Kyiv in the first day
of the full-scale invasion and were aiming at the presidential palace,
either to kidnap or to kill Zelenskyy.
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy before now. I find that hard to accept.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:52:33 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >> >>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >> >before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser >countries are not.
I've never managed to discover what the "Free World" actually is, but
if the current president of the US is the leader of it, it can't be
very free, Not when you can be arrested and deported to a foreign
prison on the say-so of a cop, with no due process or legal
protections whatever.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:52:33 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >> >>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy. >> >>
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy
before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. >Lesser countries are not.
I've never managed to discover what the "Free World" actually is, but
if the current president of the US is the leader of it, it can't be
very free, Not when you can be arrested and deported to a foreign
prison on the say-so of a cop, with no due process or legal
protections whatever.
I was being sarcastic. I should have put "Leader of the Free World" in quotation marks. Many people in ther USA, and not just the orange moron
who is running it, think that the USA is a free country. No doubt that's
why they have higher proportion of their population in prison than any country in Europe (or South Africa for that matter).
Den 04.01.2026 kl. 00.16 skrev Blueshirt:
The term "British Isle" is not recognised by the Irish
government as being applicable to Ireland, whilst geography
teachers over here do not use that term in relation to the
island of Ireland.
I'm still in the proces of reading the very long article, but
it's quite entertaining.
I especially like the history of the Vikings being reduced
to one sentence:
The Vikings added to the chaos.
On Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:52:33 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed
to do that. Lesser countries are not.
I've never managed to discover what the "Free World" actually
is, but if the current president of the US is the leader of
it, it can't be very free, Not when you can be arrested and
deported to a foreign prison on the say-so of a cop, with no
due process or legal protections whatever.
Den 04.01.2026 kl. 00.16 skrev Blueshirt:
The term "British Isle" is not recognised by the Irish
government as being applicable to Ireland, whilst geography
teachers over here do not use that term in relation to the
island of Ireland.
https://medium.com/o6o-international/why-ireland-is-not-a-british-
isle-2bad28685777
I'm still in the proces of reading the very long article, but it's quite entertaining. I especially like the history of the Vikings being reduced
to one sentence:
-a-a-a-a-a The Vikings added to the chaos.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >>>>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser countries are not.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy.
Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy
before now. I find that hard to accept.
Why? Once the initial attemt at the coup failed,
and a full scale war erupted, other considerations apply.
You need someone in place to accept your generous proposal
for a complete surrender that is so insanely great
that he cannot possible refuse.
Jan
(in a similar vein, the Americans never bombed
Hirohito's palace in Tokyo.)
On 04/01/2026 08:32, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
I'm still in the proces of reading the very long article, but it'sBy founding Dublin?
quite entertaining. I especially like the history of the Vikings being
reduced to one sentence:
The Vikings added to the chaos.
I was being sarcastic. I should have put "Leader of the Free World" in quotation marks. Many people in ther USA, and not just the orange moron
who is running it, think that the USA is a free country. No doubt that's
why they have higher proportion of their population in prison than any country in Europe (or South Africa for that matter).
I was being sarcastic. I should have put "Leader of the Free World" in quotation marks. Many people in ther USA, and not just the orange moron
who is running it, think that the USA is a free country. No doubt that's
why they have higher proportion of their population in prison than any country in Europe (or South Africa for that matter).
On 04/01/2026 09:52, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >>>>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy. >>>>
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser
countries are not.
There will now be motions brought before The Security Council and the General Assembly to condemn the US action in Venezuela. (If this hasn't already happened.)
America will obviously veto the former and ignore the latter, but the
more interesting aspect will be how other countries respond.
Which countries will go on record as condemning the US action?
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
Which countries will go on record as condemning the
US action?
Have a look at
and be prepared to be dismayed.
In Western Europe virtually all the responses have been feeble.
Only Norway is now concentrating on the illegality of the US
action. Denmark's initial reaction was OK, but they've toned
it down. Likewise France: Macron made a good statement at the
beginning, but has moved towards kissing Trump's arse.
Starmer was wishy-washy from the outset;
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:52:33 GMT, athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >> >>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy. >> >>
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy
before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser
countries are not.
I've never managed to discover what the "Free World" actually is, but
if the current president of the US is the leader of it, it can't be
very free, Not when you can be arrested and deported to a foreign
prison on the say-so of a cop, with no due process or legal
protections whatever.
I was being sarcastic. I should have put "Leader of the Free World" in quotation marks. Many people in ther USA, and not just the orange moron
who is running it, think that the USA is a free country.
On 03/01/2026 10:31, Peter Moylan wrote:
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase. Oops, there
goes the Peace Prize.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Le 03/01/2026 a 20:12, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 03/01/2026 10:31, Peter Moylan wrote:
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase. Oops, there
goes the Peace Prize.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Le 03/01/2026 |a 20:12, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 03/01/2026 10:31, Peter Moylan wrote:
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase.
Oops, there goes the Peace Prize.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will
become an arrestable offence? His pal Putin has shown
how to handle this sort of thing.
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Hibou wrote:
Le 03/01/2026 a 20:12, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :
On 03/01/2026 10:31, Peter Moylan wrote:
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase.
Oops, there goes the Peace Prize.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will
become an arrestable offence? His pal Putin has shown
how to handle this sort of thing.
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a wee
bit worried.
In article <ms1pl5F9ecuU1@mid.individual.net>, vpaereru- unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
Le 03/01/2026 |a 20:12, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
On 03/01/2026 10:31, Peter Moylan wrote:
The war against Venezuela has just entered a new phase. Oops, there
goes the Peace Prize.
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an
arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Wonder what justification Trump will come up with,
to nuke Nuuk or kidnap Queen Margrethe.
" America makes the biggest ice cubes in the world.
We're gonna take over Greenland's failing Ice Industry,
and reverse their socialist climate-warming plot to flood
the USA".
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a
wee bit worried.
The inhabitants of The Hague aren't too worried yet.
They have already seen an airborne nazi raid beaten off,
eightyfive years ago.
But maybe he'll bomb Rotterdam next,
Le 28/12/2025 |a 21:45, Garrett Wollman a |-crit :
Hibou-a wrote:
Actually, in principle I agree with this. Many major British museums
are
free, i.e. paid for by our taxes. I've long thought that foreigners,
who
don't pay those taxes, should contribute something.
I gladly paid the "suggested donation" at the Tate Modern and the V&A
when I visited last year, once I found a donation "box" that had a
working tap terminal, since I went that whole trip without ever
getting cash.-a (Of the other museums I visited, the Cabinet War Rooms,
Royal Observatory Greenwich, Bletchley Park, and National Museum of
Computing all charge admission.-a The Natural History Museum was mobbed
-- it was the August bank-holiday weekend -- and I didn't get to see
anything so I didn't donate.-a I got to the British Library only a few
minutes before closing and only got to see one free exhibit. The
Wellcome Collection wasn't asking for donations that I recall.)
This British taxpayer thanks you for your contributions.
Touch-to-donate machines seem to me to be a nicely British approach. I suppose the Louvre is going to have to ask people for their papers,
which is much more - what's the adjective? - ah, yes - French.
J. J. Lodder wrote:
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Hibou wrote:
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a
wee bit worried.
The inhabitants of The Hague aren't too worried yet.
They have already seen an airborne nazi raid beaten off,
eightyfive years ago.
The Nazi's were beaten of with the aid of the US. Who will help
if it's the US that's doing the raiding?!
But maybe he'll bomb Rotterdam next,
Is there oil there?
The EU & UK can't even decide cohesively what they want to do
in Ukraine!
Op 29/12/2025 om 8:26 schreef Hibou:
Le 28/12/2025 a 21:45, Garrett Wollman a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Actually, in principle I agree with this. Many major British museums
are
free, i.e. paid for by our taxes. I've long thought that foreigners,
who
don't pay those taxes, should contribute something.
I gladly paid the "suggested donation" at the Tate Modern and the V&A
when I visited last year, once I found a donation "box" that had a
working tap terminal, since I went that whole trip without ever
getting cash. (Of the other museums I visited, the Cabinet War Rooms,
Royal Observatory Greenwich, Bletchley Park, and National Museum of
Computing all charge admission. The Natural History Museum was mobbed
-- it was the August bank-holiday weekend -- and I didn't get to see
anything so I didn't donate. I got to the British Library only a few
minutes before closing and only got to see one free exhibit. The
Wellcome Collection wasn't asking for donations that I recall.)
This British taxpayer thanks you for your contributions.
Touch-to-donate machines seem to me to be a nicely British approach. I suppose the Louvre is going to have to ask people for their papers,
which is much more - what's the adjective? - ah, yes - French.
I'd think, European. I, we, have no problem with showing ID docs on regulated demand.
In Argentina, National Parks etc. apply three tariffs: nationals,
Mercosur, and "true" foreigners. I've no problem with that either, my
wife pays national, I foreign.
Hibou wrote:
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a wee bit
worried.
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a wee
bit worried.
The Nazi's were beaten of with the aid of the US. Who will help
if it's the US that's doing the raiding?!
But maybe he'll bomb Rotterdam next,
Is there oil there?
My worry - if I lived in Greenland - would be, IF President
Trump's military invaded and took control of Greenland, who in
Europe would stand up and be counted by...
1) Denouncing Donald Trump's actions... publicly.
2) Actually doing something about it.
The EU & UK can't even decide cohesively what they want to do
in Ukraine!
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
On 04/01/2026 09:52, athel.cb@gmail.com wrote:Have a look at
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> posted:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 00:50:50 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 03/01/2026 22:39, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Sam Plusnet hat am 03.01.2026 um 21:12 geschrieben:Wait and see. Putin's pretence that he has been attacked
I wonder if calling it "The Grab for Venezuelan Oil" will become an >>>>>>>> arrestable offence?
His pal Putin has shown how to handle this sort of thing.
A huge difference so far: Putin did not manage to kidnap Zelenskyy. >>>>>>
by Ukrainian drones may well be a run-up for an attempt on him,
That assumes that Putin would have refrained from an attack on Zelenskyy >>>>> before now. I find that hard to accept.
Putin could see it as a precedent, and attempt to kidnap Zelensky.
He appears to have seen the Nato attack on Yugoslavia as precedents
for his attacks on Georgia and Ukraine, so precedents seem quite
important to him.
What will be very interesting to see will be whether the European
countries that imposed sanctions on Russia after its invasion of
Ukraine will impose similar sanctions on the US now.
You dreamer. The Leader of the Free World (TM) is allowed to do that. Lesser
countries are not.
There will now be motions brought before The Security Council and the
General Assembly to condemn the US action in Venezuela. (If this hasn't
already happened.)
America will obviously veto the former and ignore the latter, but the
more interesting aspect will be how other countries respond.
Which countries will go on record as condemning the US action?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2026_United_States_strikes_in_Venezuela
and be prepared to be dismayed. In Western Europe virtually all the responses have been feeble. Only Norway is now concentrating on the illegality of
the US action. Denmark's initial reaction was OK, but they've toned it down. Likewise Frannce: Macron made a good statement at the beginning, but has moved towards kissing Trump's arse. Starmer was wishy-washy from the outset; Merz likewise. Hungary doesn't seem to have said anything: probably Orban needs
to decide which arse is more important, Trump's or Putin's.
Den 05.01.2026 kl. 13.37 skrev Hibou:
"Special petroleous operations", perhaps.
Today Venezuela, tomorrow Greenland.
Do you mean that they finally have decided to come to pick up the
250'000 liters of diesel that they left inside the inland ice?
Den 05.01.2026 kl. 16.27 skrev Blueshirt:
Joking apart, if I lived in Greenland I'd probably be a wee
bit worried.
Greenlanders and Danes are - and not just a bit.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
Which countries will go on record as condemning the US action?
Have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2026_United_States_strikes_in_Venezuela
and be prepared to be dismayed. In Western Europe virtually all the responses have been feeble. Only Norway is now concentrating on the illegality of
the US action. Denmark's initial reaction was OK, but they've toned it down. Likewise Frannce: Macron made a good statement at the beginning, but has moved towards kissing Trump's arse. Starmer was wishy-washy from the outset; Merz likewise. Hungary doesn't seem to have said anything: probably Orb|in needs
to decide which arse is more important, Trump's or Putin's.
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:
[ ... ]
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> posted:
One good piece of news. Mr Orb|in is still alive and has made a statement:Which countries will go on record as condemning the US action?Have a look at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2026_United_States_strikes_in_Venezuela
and be prepared to be dismayed. In Western Europe virtually all the responses
have been feeble. Only Norway is now concentrating on the illegality of
the US action. Denmark's initial reaction was OK, but they've toned it down. >> Likewise Frannce: Macron made a good statement at the beginning, but has
moved towards kissing Trump's arse. Starmer was wishy-washy from the outset; >> Merz likewise. Hungary doesn't seem to have said anything: probably Orb|in needs
to decide which arse is more important, Trump's or Putin's.
"Prime Minister Viktor Orb|in stated that no Hungarian citizen was harmed in Venezuela, and that the Hungarian government was working to protect Hungarians
in the region."
Well, that's a relief. I'm sure we were all worried about the effect of the illegal action on Hungarian inhabitants of Venezuela.
He hasn't revealed whether he thinks the action was a good idea, or whether he
agrees with Vladimir Putin.
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