J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 15/02/2026 15:50, Phil wrote:
On 15/02/2026 13:47, Hibou wrote:
Le 15/02/2026 |a 13:38, Hibou a |-crit :
GU10 is a bayonet fitting, but the contacts are better protected from >>>>>> straying fingers than in B22. Both are better than E27, whose outer >>>>>> contact can become live and a shock hazard with faulty or incorrect >>>>>> wiring.
For my money, the main disadvantage of B22 has now gone, which was: >>>>>> that the heat from large incandescent bulbs could soften their
contacts (which seemed to be nothing more than solder) and allow them >>>>>> to flow somewhat around the socket's pins, which made it difficult to >>>>>> remove the bulb. With the lower heat output from LEDs, this no longer >>>>>> happens.
Oh, forgot to mention: under vibration, E27 can unscrew itself, B22
can't.
Screw that! There are 3-4 threads on the base of E27. For it to be
unscrewed under vibrations, the light would go out well before it drops.
Indeed. But it really takes a lot of vibration
to unscrew the spring-loaded thread.
It is under a lot of friction.
The opposite was more usual: old bulbs being very hard to get out.
I haveen't dealt with many Edison screw bulbs but quite a large
percentage of those I have dealt with have been stuck in their holders
when I came to change them. I usually finished up detaching the glass
from the base and then destroying the base by curling it inwards with a strong pair of pliers. During this manoever I treat the assembly as
'live', even if I am sure it isn't.
Bayonet holders had their problems, especially cracking of the cheap
bakelite ones around the locating pins, but the Edison screw system is
far worse in my experience.
Certainly, if an ES bulb becomes partly unscrewed, it will go out - but
does everyone replace apparently duff bulbs promptly, especially if
they're in, for instance, a line of spots? How tightly was it screwed in
in the first place? In my perambulations online, I came across a
suggestion of putting a trace of Vaseline on the thread. That should
help it to unscrew itself.
On 2026-02-17, Hibou wrote:
Certainly, if an ES bulb becomes partly unscrewed, it will go out - but
does everyone replace apparently duff bulbs promptly, especially if
they're in, for instance, a line of spots? How tightly was it screwed in
in the first place? In my perambulations online, I came across a
suggestion of putting a trace of Vaseline on the thread. That should
help it to unscrew itself.
Why would you want to help it unscrew itself?
Vaseline is an insulator
Le 23/02/2026 a 13:37, Adam Funk a ocrit :
On 2026-02-17, Hibou wrote:
Certainly, if an ES bulb becomes partly unscrewed, it will go out - but
does everyone replace apparently duff bulbs promptly, especially if
they're in, for instance, a line of spots? How tightly was it screwed in >> in the first place? In my perambulations online, I came across a
suggestion of putting a trace of Vaseline on the thread. That should
help it to unscrew itself.
Why would you want to help it unscrew itself?
You wouldn't. I was being sarcastic. The idea of the Vaseline is to
prevent the opposite problem, bulbs being hard to unscrew - I suppose in places where corrosion is possible - damp cellars, garages, inside fridges....
Vaseline is an insulator, though. Of course, one could use bayonet fittings....
Hibou wrote:
[...]
Vaseline is an insulator
It is so soft that the contact surfaces aren't held apart by it. It was often used on car battery terminals to prevent corrosion but there was
no loss of contact, even though the terminals weren't done up
particularly tightly.
Vaseline, petroleum jelly, smeared on the outside of car-battery
terminals, yes, I've done that myself. Not on the contact surfaces,
though. To put an insulator on a contact seems bad practice, especially
in the case of a car battery, which supplies high currents for starting,
so low resistance is essential.
A conductive grease, copper or graphite loaded, perhaps.
Does screwing an ES bulb in wipe the Vaseline from the thread? I think
it must to some extent, otherwise people would stop applying it.
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure, but
Vaseline isn't one; it's a medical grease. It's inflammable, melts at between 40 and 70-#C, and attracts dirt. I hope people apply it only very thinly.
All in all, bayonet fittings are a much better idea. As I've mentioned,
the only problem I've had with them is the contacts softening and
jamming on higher-power incandescent bulbs. That problem is no more.
Le 23/02/2026 |a 18:16, Liz Tuddenham a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
[...]
Vaseline is an insulator
It is so soft that the contact surfaces aren't held apart by it. It was often used on car battery terminals to prevent corrosion but there was
no loss of contact, even though the terminals weren't done up
particularly tightly.
Those are good points. Let me think about them...
Vaseline, petroleum jelly, smeared on the outside of car-battery
terminals, yes, I've done that myself. Not on the contact surfaces,
though. To put an insulator on a contact seems bad practice, especially
in the case of a car battery, which supplies high currents for starting,
so low resistance is essential.
A conductive grease, copper or graphite loaded, perhaps.
Does screwing an ES bulb in wipe the Vaseline from the thread? I think
it must to some extent, otherwise people would stop applying it.
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure,
Does screwing an ES bulb in wipe the Vaseline from the thread? I think
it must to some extent, otherwise people would stop applying it.
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure, but
Vaseline isn't one; it's a medical grease. It's inflammable, melts at between 40 and 70-#C, and attracts dirt. I hope people apply it only very thinly.
Le 23/02/2026 a 18:16, Liz Tuddenham a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
[...]
Vaseline is an insulator
It is so soft that the contact surfaces aren't held apart by it. It was often used on car battery terminals to prevent corrosion but there was
no loss of contact, even though the terminals weren't done up
particularly tightly.
Those are good points. Let me think about them...
Vaseline, petroleum jelly, smeared on the outside of car-battery
terminals, yes, I've done that myself. Not on the contact surfaces,
though. To put an insulator on a contact seems bad practice, especially
in the case of a car battery, which supplies high currents for starting,
so low resistance is essential.
A conductive grease, copper or graphite loaded, perhaps.
Does screwing an ES bulb in wipe the Vaseline from the thread? I think
it must to some extent, otherwise people would stop applying it.
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure, but
Vaseline isn't one; it's a medical grease. It's inflammable, melts at
between 40 and 70#C, and attracts dirt. I hope people apply it only very thinly.
All in all, bayonet fittings are a much better idea. As I've mentioned,
the only problem I've had with them is the contacts softening and
jamming on higher-power incandescent bulbs. That problem is no more.
Hibou wrote:
Vaseline, petroleum jelly, smeared on the outside of car-battery
terminals, yes, I've done that myself. Not on the contact surfaces,
though. To put an insulator on a contact seems bad practice, especially
in the case of a car battery, which supplies high currents for starting,
so low resistance is essential.
A conductive grease, copper or graphite loaded, perhaps.
Nowhere near conductive enough for 12v systems. [...]
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure,
The "EP" (extreme pressure) lubricants, such as gearbox oil, are deadly
to electrical contacts; even the slightest trace makes them stay open circuit.
The overdrive units on the Sunbeam Talbot and the Standard Vanguard had
a solenoid-operated valve with a pulling-in coil and a holding coil.
The contacts for the pulling-in coil were in a housing on the side of
the casing, which also housed the crank and the rotating spindle between
the external solenoid plunger and the internal hydraulic valve.
These gained a terrible reputation for unreliability and I got fed up
with mine failing. If I cleaned the contacts with a solvent, they
worked for a while and then went open-ciercuit, even if they were
pressed together firmly. It turned out that an 'O'-ring oil seal had
been omitted on the shaft where it went into the main gearbox housing.
Once I fitted one, as shown in the manufacturer's drawings, the unit pulled-in reliably every time. The lubricant for that gearbox was EP90.
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate
any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >> -a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
On 2026-02-24, Hibou wrote:
Does screwing an ES bulb in wipe the Vaseline from the thread? I think
it must to some extent, otherwise people would stop applying it.
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure, but
Vaseline isn't one; it's a medical grease. It's inflammable, melts at
between 40 and 70-#C, and attracts dirt. I hope people apply it only very
thinly.
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate
any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Le 24/02/2026 a 09:31, Liz Tuddenham a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Vaseline, petroleum jelly, smeared on the outside of car-battery
terminals, yes, I've done that myself. Not on the contact surfaces,
though. To put an insulator on a contact seems bad practice, especially
in the case of a car battery, which supplies high currents for starting, >> so low resistance is essential.
A conductive grease, copper or graphite loaded, perhaps.
Nowhere near conductive enough for 12v systems. [...]
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the
data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".)
Lubricating greases are designed not to migrate under pressure,
The "EP" (extreme pressure) lubricants, such as gearbox oil, are deadly
to electrical contacts; even the slightest trace makes them stay open circuit.
The overdrive units on the Sunbeam Talbot and the Standard Vanguard had
a solenoid-operated valve with a pulling-in coil and a holding coil.
The contacts for the pulling-in coil were in a housing on the side of
the casing, which also housed the crank and the rotating spindle between the external solenoid plunger and the internal hydraulic valve.
These gained a terrible reputation for unreliability and I got fed up
with mine failing. If I cleaned the contacts with a solvent, they
worked for a while and then went open-ciercuit, even if they were
pressed together firmly. It turned out that an 'O'-ring oil seal had
been omitted on the shaft where it went into the main gearbox housing.
Once I fitted one, as shown in the manufacturer's drawings, the unit pulled-in reliably every time. The lubricant for that gearbox was EP90.
Yes, contacts should be clean. Applying Vaseline to ES threads sounds to
me like a frig. Our motto should be, "Don't screw; bayonet!"
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age"
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that some
of us are closer to that target than others.
In article <tYmnR.27$rSdf.15@fx06.ams1>, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age"
Not all, but roughly 99.96% of the UK population.
Hibou wrote:
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the
data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".)
A waste of time.
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >> -a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age"
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that some
of us are closer to that target than others.
On 2/24/2026 8:27 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that some
of us are closer to that target than others.
If I remember correctly, David Kleinecke might be an exception.
Then again, it has been quite a while since last we heard from him.
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the
data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".)
A waste of time.
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot
brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things, please adopt another one.
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>> -a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>> -a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>> -a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the
data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".)
A waste of time.
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things, please adopt another one.
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in
tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit
lately.
Den 24.02.2026 kl. 20.27 skrev Sam Plusnet:
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>> -a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>> -a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>> -a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-
jelly-daily/>
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age"
My father is not.
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss
things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit lately.
It means you should ignore the reality of the problem and agree to my unsupported solution.
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>> -a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate
-a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>> -a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>> -a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>> -a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that
some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those who
have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what young
Bertel means.)
wwwwwwLiz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at >>> the data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of
"perhaps".)
A waste of time.
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss
things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit lately.
It means you should ignore the reality of the problem and agree to my unsupported solution.
Unsupported? Lead-acid batteries were invented 150+ years ago,
and there is a wealth of engineering experience in
getting the best out of them.
Likewise, the physics of contact resistance
also goes back at least that far.
I think you were on very safe ground,
On 25/02/2026 11:28, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's
-a-a-a daily ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been
-a-a-a unable to locate any primary or authoritative secondary
-a-a-a sources corroborating the part of claim concerning
-a-a-a Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of pleurisy by having a >>>> -a-a-a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For this reason, we >>>> -a-a-a rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jel >>>>ly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a "stool lubricant".
Does it work on step ladders?
On 25/02/2026 11:28, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> -a-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to >>>>> locate
-a-a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> -a-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
-a-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
-a-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum- >>>>> jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
Does it work on step ladders?
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:aily/>
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 10:09, Adam Funk a ocrit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>> any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of
pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For
this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-d
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>>>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>>>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook >>> the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things, please >>> adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in
tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit
lately.
It means you should ignore the reality of the problem and agree to my unsupported solution.
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the current
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that some of >>> us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those who have >> already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what young Bertel
means.)
crop of regular posters here in aue.
On 2026-02-25 13:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 25/02/2026 11:28, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily
and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily
-a-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to >>>>>> locate
-a-a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the
-a-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a >>>>>> case of
-a-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. >>>>>> For
-a-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-
petroleum- jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
Does it work on step ladders?
I have a stepladder.
My real ladder left me when I was a kid.
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:aily/>
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>>>> any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-d
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that
some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those
who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a ocrit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that some >>>>> of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those who >>>> have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what young
Bertel means.)
current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
On 25/02/2026 20:10, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2026-02-25 13:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:I thought of you as I pressed "send" on that post.
On 25/02/2026 11:28, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily >>>>>>> and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's >>>>>>> daily
-a-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to >>>>>>> locate
-a-a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating >>>>>>> the
-a-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a >>>>>>> case of
-a-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum >>>>>>> jelly. For
-a-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-
petroleum- jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a >>>> "stool lubricant".
Does it work on step ladders?
I have a stepladder.
My real ladder left me when I was a kid.
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 |a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot
brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss
things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me.
I don't see how Jan's post differs in
tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit lately.
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that
some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those
who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
On 25/02/2026 21:17, J. J. Lodder wrote:-d
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 10:09, Adam Funk a ocrit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate
any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly
aily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
Wednesday, Liz Tuddenham quipped:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>>>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>>>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot
brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss
things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in
tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit
lately.
It means you should ignore the reality of the problem and agree to my unsupported solution.
I find it has more applicability to rabbit holes.
And Jan offered support for his position. Perhaps he even has
citations that can be added.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
wwwwwwLiz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at >>> the data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of
"perhaps".)
A waste of time.
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me. I don't see how Jan's post differs in tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit lately.
It means you should ignore the reality of the problem and agree to my unsupported solution.
Unsupported? Lead-acid batteries were invented 150+ years ago,
and there is a wealth of engineering experience in
getting the best out of them.
Likewise, the physics of contact resistance
also goes back at least that far.
I think you were on very safe ground,
I wasn't commenting on the merits of this particular use of the
expression, I was pointing out that it is often used to shut down an
argument when the losing party cannot counter multiple facts or a
logical chain of reasoning.
Le 25/02/2026 a 11:50, Snidely a ocrit :
Lo, on the 2/24/2026, Hibou did proclaim ...
Le 24/02/2026 a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a ocrit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot
brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss
things, please adopt another one.
Sounds a bit thin-skinned to me.
Well, perhaps it is. I admit that I find JJ's tone generally irritating.
It's not just the imperative mood; it's the granny-teaching didacticism.
In another post, for example, he tells me I need to understand the
physics of electrical contacts and proceeds to give me instruction (<news:1rr1cm2.et9jf590tcbpN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>).
As he well knows, I worked for many years as an electronic engineer.
This sort of thing was my meat and drink.
I don't see any evidence that JJ is actually interested in English
usage. If he were, he might understand that skill in using words means choosing the right ones and the right tone.
In particular, if he wants to win arguments, then irritating his
interlocutor is not the way to do it.
That doesn't convince; it just leads to trench warfare.
I don't see how Jan's post differs in
tone from much of conservations held in person.
"Don't overthink it" is actually something I've run across a fair bit lately.
I agree with Liz: it's along the same lines as "It's a no-brainer",
which means: don't think about this; if you do, you may see that it's
not as simple as I'd have you believe.
(My own observation is that things are almost always more complicated
than they first appear.)
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>>>> any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-d
aily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
Jan
On Wednesday, J. J. Lodder yelped out that:-d
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 10:09, Adam Funk a ocrit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>>>> any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly
aily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
That sounds like the English "stole".
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
/Anders, Denmark
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
/Anders, Denmark
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 20:09, J. J. Lodder a |-crit :
Hibou wrote:
A waste of time.
Just so. I'd not use such a grease - anywhere - without looking at the >>>> data sheet and doing the sums. (That's the inner meaning of "perhaps".) >>>
Don't try to over-think well-established known-good practice. [...]
I see that simply ignoring you doesn't work. Know then, that I cannot
brook the accent of the imperative mood. If you want to discuss things,
please adopt another one.
OK.
I advise you not to try to reinvent the wheel,
Jan
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:aily/>
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I >>>>> believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate >>>>> any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly-d
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a
"stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
On 2026-02-25 19:35, Sam Plusnet wrote:
On 25/02/2026 20:10, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2026-02-25 13:05, Sam Plusnet wrote:I thought of you as I pressed "send" on that post.
On 25/02/2026 11:28, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 10:09, Adam Funk a |-crit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily >>>>>>>> and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
-a-a-a-a Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's >>>>>>>> daily
-a-a-a-a ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable >>>>>>>> to locate
-a-a-a-a any primary or authoritative secondary sources
corroborating the
-a-a-a-a part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a >>>>>>>> case of
-a-a-a-a pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum >>>>>>>> jelly. For
-a-a-a-a this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-
petroleum- jelly-daily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a >>>>> "stool lubricant".
Does it work on step ladders?
I have a stepladder.
My real ladder left me when I was a kid.
I'm SO predictable.
On 2026-02-26, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
/Anders, Denmark
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
I interpreted "others" as "other stools".
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, J. J. Lodder yelped out that:
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
-dOn 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 a 10:09, Adam Funk a ocrit :
A grease and a sandwich spread!
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Don%27t_Use_Jelly>
Seriously, the inventor wrote "I take more than a teaspoon daily and I
believe I owe to it my approaching 97 years of age."
Although the part of the claim that concerns Chesebrough's daily >>>>> ingestion of Vaseline is true, we have so far been unable to locate
any primary or authoritative secondary sources corroborating the >>>>> part of claim concerning Chesebrough allegedly treating a case of >>>>> pleurisy by having a nurse cover his body in petroleum jelly. For >>>>> this reason, we rate the claim as "Mixture."
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vaseline-inventor-ate-petroleum-jelly
aily/>
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a >> "stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
That sounds like the English "stole".
Yes, cognate, both from Latin 'stola',
originally an overgarment worn by Roman matrons,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that >>>> some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those
who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 13:24:24 +0100[-]
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, J. J. Lodder yelped out that:
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
On 2026-02-24, Phil wrote:
On 24/02/2026 14:07, Hibou wrote:
Ingesting Vaseline daily? I don't feel tempted.
Neither do I.
I daresay it'd keep you regular.
Sounds plausible --- food-grade mineral oil used to be (is?) sold as a >> "stool lubricant".
False friend warnings: Dutch 'stoel' always always means a chair.
(for sitting on)
The English meaning occurs only in the word 'stoelgang',
(usually in a medical context)
Dutch 'stool' or 'stola' refers to a priestly garment, (RCC)
and nowadays also an item of ladies fashion,
That sounds like the English "stole".
Yes, cognate, both from Latin 'stola',
originally an overgarment worn by Roman matrons,
Did they get thieved quite often?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:56 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:Are you a Dominatrix? Would you give me a good threshing?
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the >>>>> current crop of regular posters here in aue.
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that >>>>>>> some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those >>>>>> who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
I know, these pun cascades are getting ever so corny.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:56 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:Are you a Dominatrix? Would you give me a good threshing?
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a-a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |a--crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the >>>>> current crop of regular posters here in aue.
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that >>>>>>> some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those >>>>>> who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
I know, these pun cascades are getting ever so corny.
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
Hibou wrote:
As he well knows, I worked for many years as an electronic engineer.
This sort of thing was my meat and drink.
Sorry, but I knew no such thing, until you just told us. [...]
I agree with Liz: it's along the same lines as "It's a no-brainer",
which means: don't think about this; if you do, you may see that it's
not as simple as I'd have you believe.
Applying vaseline to car battery terminals
really -is- as simple as one may believe.
It should just be done, routinely.
There really is no need there for your
"looking at the data sheet and doing the sums" there.
(My own observation is that things are almost always more complicated
than they first appear.)
Yes, you can always over-think.
Usually there are more interesting things to observe,
(than unnecessary complications)
I don't agree. Looking behind the superficial is often unproductive, but
it also often leads to insight and better solutions - not necessarily in
a showy way; perhaps just a small gain in performance, reliability and maintainability, or a reduction in cost.
The mechanic tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with Vaseline.
The engineer analyses the problem, obtains a deeper understanding, and
acts according to the result.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 09:57:56 +0000
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
On 26/02/2026 01:03, Snidely wrote:
Sam Plusnet formulated the question :
On 25/02/2026 08:05, Hibou wrote:
Le 24/02/2026 |a 19:27, Sam Plusnet a |-crit :I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the >> current crop of regular posters here in aue.
Surely we are _all_ "approaching 97 years of age" - it's just that >>>> some of us are closer to that target than others.
Not quite all. There are a few who are moving away from it - those >>> who have already had their 97th birthday. (I suppose this is what
young Bertel means.)
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
Are you a Dominatrix? Would you give me a good threshing?
I know, these pun cascades are getting ever so corny.
Are you a Dominatrix? Would you give me a good threshing?I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the >>>>>> current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
I know, these pun cascades are getting ever so corny.
I think they are amaize-ing.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
In a part of Ghana, however, English-speaking anthropologists referred
to the local monarch as being "enstooled", using the word for the
physical form of the furniture rather than its symbolic role, and the ceremony was called "enstoolment" rather than "enthronement".
To be consistent, they should have referred to the "enthronement" of
the monarch in Ghana. If the physical form was so important, then one
would have to say that an English monarch was "enchaired", but no one
ever did that.
This strange linguistic custom of English-speaking anthropologists
would itself be an interesting topic for a socio-anthropological
study.
My own hypothesis, which would need further research, is that this
custom is evidence that the academic discipline of Social Anthropology
was thoroughly racest, rooted in the assumptions of white supremacy
and British Imperialism, and the terminology was deliberately designed
for the denigration of African monarchs, suggesting that they did not
deserve the dignity of British monarchs and their terminology was
chosen to associate them, in the minds of English-speaking people,
with shit, or, as Americans would say, poop.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
On 27/02/2026 04:54, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
In a part of Ghana, however, English-speaking anthropologists referred
to the local monarch as being "enstooled", using the word for the
physical form of the furniture rather than its symbolic role, and the ceremony was called "enstoolment" rather than "enthronement".
To be consistent, they should have referred to the "enthronement" of
the monarch in Ghana. If the physical form was so important, then one
would have to say that an English monarch was "enchaired", but no one
ever did that.
This strange linguistic custom of English-speaking anthropologists
would itself be an interesting topic for a socio-anthropological
study.
My own hypothesis, which would need further research, is that this
custom is evidence that the academic discipline of Social Anthropology
was thoroughly racest, rooted in the assumptions of white supremacy
and British Imperialism, and the terminology was deliberately designed
for the denigration of African monarchs, suggesting that they did not deserve the dignity of British monarchs and their terminology was
chosen to associate them, in the minds of English-speaking people,
with shit, or, as Americans would say, poop.
Although 'throne', in BrE at least, can also refer to a toilet.
Hibou wrote:
The mechanic tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with Vaseline. >>
The engineer analyses the problem, obtains a deeper understanding, and
acts according to the result.
...and then tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
Den 27.02.2026 kl. 10.25 skrev Liz Tuddenham:
Are you a Dominatrix? Would you give me a good threshing?I could weasle out of this one by claiming that "we" simply meant the >>>>>> current crop of regular posters here in aue.
We are as the wheat.
Try not to chafe at the amount of chaff found here.
(Said in a husky voice.)
I know, these pun cascades are getting ever so corny.
I think they are amaize-ing.
I could barley keep from laughing.
Much as I enjoy a good cat fight, have any of you actually researched
the topic, instead of just opining?
I find online professionals split on the issue of Vaseline
https://mobilehomerepairtips.com/lubricate-light-socket/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjJzKhp8nc
OTOH, lubricating bulb threads is a real thing.
Get some Bulbez:
http://www.bulbez.com/
On 26/02/2026 16:16, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-26, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others." >>>>
/Anders, Denmark
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
I interpreted "others" as "other stools".
I _like_ aue.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
In a part of Ghana, however, English-speaking anthropologists referred
to the local monarch as being "enstooled", using the word for the
physical form of the furniture rather than its symbolic role, and the ceremony was called "enstoolment" rather than "enthronement".
To be consistent, they should have referred to the "enthronement" of
the monarch in Ghana. If the physical form was so important, then one
would have to say that an English monarch was "enchaired", but no one
ever did that.
This strange linguistic custom of English-speaking anthropologists
would itself be an interesting topic for a socio-anthropological
study.
My own hypothesis, which would need further research, is that this
custom is evidence that the academic discipline of Social Anthropology
was thoroughly racest, rooted in the assumptions of white supremacy
and British Imperialism, and the terminology was deliberately designed
for the denigration of African monarchs, suggesting that they did not
deserve the dignity of British monarchs and their terminology was
chosen to associate them, in the minds of English-speaking people,
with shit, or, as Americans would say, poop.
On 2026-02-27, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
So are Anglican bishops. Consecration makes someone a bishop and can
only be done to someone once. I think enthronement makes a bishop the
Bishop of Name_of_See and does not apply to suffragan or assistant
bishops, but it can be done more than once to a bishop who changes
sees.
There is an alternative term that low-church bishops use, but I can't remember what it is.
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
The mechanic tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with Vaseline.
The engineer analyses the problem, obtains a deeper understanding, and
acts according to the result.
...and then tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
On 2026-02-27, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-27, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
So are Anglican bishops. Consecration makes someone a bishop and can
only be done to someone once. I think enthronement makes a bishop the
Bishop of Name_of_See and does not apply to suffragan or assistant
bishops, but it can be done more than once to a bishop who changes
sees.
There is an alternative term that low-church bishops use, but I can't
remember what it is.
I just remembered: "installation", although that can be used for a
range of ecclesiastical posts.
On 2026-02-26, Cryptoengineer wrote:
Much as I enjoy a good cat fight, have any of you actually researched
the topic, instead of just opining?
I find online professionals split on the issue of Vaseline
https://mobilehomerepairtips.com/lubricate-light-socket/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjJzKhp8nc
OTOH, lubricating bulb threads is a real thing.
Get some Bulbez:
http://www.bulbez.com/
They made a website that looks like a screenshot of a website!
I assume that's supposed to be pronounced "bulb-ease".
On 2026-02-26, Cryptoengineer wrote:
Much as I enjoy a good cat fight, have any of you actually researched
the topic, instead of just opining?
I find online professionals split on the issue of Vaseline
https://mobilehomerepairtips.com/lubricate-light-socket/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjJzKhp8nc
OTOH, lubricating bulb threads is a real thing.
Get some Bulbez:
http://www.bulbez.com/
They made a website that looks like a screenshot of a website!
I assume that's supposed to be pronounced "bulb-ease".
Although 'throne', in BrE at least, can also refer to a toilet.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
Yes, like 'kruk' in Dutch.
Don't know about Afrikaans.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
Yes, cognate with Dutch 'troon'.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
And that is another false friend.
Dutch kings are 'gekroond' so E. 'crowned',
not 'getroond'. So on their heads, not by their bottoms.
On 2026-02-27, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
So are Anglican bishops. Consecration makes someone a bishop and can
only be done to someone once. I think enthronement makes a bishop the
Bishop of Name_of_See and does not apply to suffragan or assistant
bishops, but it can be done more than once to a bishop who changes
sees.
There is an alternative term that low-church bishops use, but I can't >remember what it is.
In a part of Ghana, however, English-speaking anthropologists referred
to the local monarch as being "enstooled", using the word for the
physical form of the furniture rather than its symbolic role, and the
ceremony was called "enstoolment" rather than "enthronement".
To be consistent, they should have referred to the "enthronement" of
the monarch in Ghana. If the physical form was so important, then one
would have to say that an English monarch was "enchaired", but no one
ever did that.
This strange linguistic custom of English-speaking anthropologists
would itself be an interesting topic for a socio-anthropological
study.
My own hypothesis, which would need further research, is that this
custom is evidence that the academic discipline of Social Anthropology
was thoroughly racest, rooted in the assumptions of white supremacy
and British Imperialism, and the terminology was deliberately designed
for the denigration of African monarchs, suggesting that they did not
deserve the dignity of British monarchs and their terminology was
chosen to associate them, in the minds of English-speaking people,
with shit, or, as Americans would say, poop.
I think you're probably right except for the shit/poop part. I doubt
they were trying to bring in that sense of "stool".
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
The mechanic tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
The engineer analyses the problem, obtains a deeper understanding,
and acts according to the result.
...and then tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
My very first research report was done in a vacation job between my
third and fourth undergraduate years. I was in a research organisation
that was, among other things, doing research on heat flow in an air-conditioned buildings. Thermocouples were placed in a number of
strategic places, and the output sampled by computer, once an hour.
My immediate boss, who was an electrical engineer, explained to me that mechanical engineers didn't understand the Nyquist sampling theorem, so
their measurements were probably meaningless. They were just putting
lumps of plasticine around the thermocouples. He gave me the job of
designing a thermal filter to do the low-pass filtering.
I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I
had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to be.)
On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 13:01:21 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
Yes, like 'kruk' in Dutch.
Don't know about Afrikaans.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
Yes, cognate with Dutch 'troon'.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
And that is another false friend.
Dutch kings are 'gekroond' so E. 'crowned',
not 'getroond'. So on their heads, not by their bottoms.
Hardly a false friend, since I was talking about English usage, not
Dutch.
[...] I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the heat flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I
had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to be.)
Le 28/02/2026 |a 07:29, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
[...] I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the
heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I
had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to
be.)
Yes, that's the thing.
I imagine the big car and battery makers have exhaustively analysed
their connection systems, and what they ship will be optimum for them -
in terms of manufacturing cost, parts supply, warranty claims, etc..
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
On 2026-02-26, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
I interpreted "others" as "other stools".
On 2/26/2026 5:16 PM, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-26, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others." >>>>
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
That would be the stool of just one other person, would it not?
I interpreted "others" as "other stools".
Ah yes, I can see how that makes sense. If stool is a countable noun.
/Anders, Denmark
Den 28.02.2026 kl. 08.29 skrev Peter Moylan:
My very first research report was done in a vacation job between
my third and fourth undergraduate years. I was in a research
organisation that was, among other things, doing research on heat
flow in an air-conditioned buildings. Thermocouples were placed in
a number of strategic places, and the output sampled by computer,
once an hour.
My immediate boss, who was an electrical engineer, explained to me
that mechanical engineers didn't understand the Nyquist sampling
theorem, so their measurements were probably meaningless. They were
just putting lumps of plasticine around the thermocouples. He gave
me the job of designing a thermal filter to do the low-pass
filtering.
I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the
heat flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of
that time I had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine
around the thermocouples.
ROTFL :-)
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had
to be.)
What did your boss say to your results?
An aue question on this topic:
Does a bishop's former See become his Saw?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
On 28/02/26 06:57, Sam Plusnet wrote:
An aue question on this topic:
Does a bishop's former See become his Saw?
Si.
On 28/02/26 06:57, Sam Plusnet wrote:
An aue question on this topic:
Does a bishop's former See become his Saw?
Si.
On 2026-02-28 18:20, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/02/26 06:57, Sam Plusnet wrote:
An aue question on this topic:
Does a bishop's former See become his Saw?
Si.
That brings a question to mind.
In your English, is a 'seesaw' also known as a 'teeter-totter'?
If not, do you have another name for it?
On 01/03/26 15:50, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2026-02-28 18:20, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 28/02/26 06:57, Sam Plusnet wrote:
An aue question on this topic:
Does a bishop's former See become his Saw?
Si.
That brings a question to mind.
In your English, is a 'seesaw' also known as a 'teeter-totter'?
If not, do you have another name for it?
I call it a seesaw. I've encountered the word teeter-totter, probably in
an Anerican book, but I never knew whether it was the same thing.
Steal away, haul away,
Jackie shall have a new master
He shall have but a penny a day
Because he can't steal away.
On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 16:10:09 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
Steal away, haul away,
Jackie shall have a new master
He shall have but a penny a day
Because he can't steal away.
?
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Le 28/02/2026 a 20:39, Cryptoengineer a ocrit :
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work. This >>> applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the thousands of >>> millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Interesting. "Regulators in the UK and some independent engineers have noted that there are benefits to shorter bulb lifespans, as shorter-life bulbs can be brighter for the same wattage."
That's a point. I seem to recall that incandescent bulbs were pretty cheap, and cost much less than the electricity they consumed. It could well be economical to over-run them, up to a point (cf. photo floods). This graph shows a marked increase in lumens per watt (as well as a marked decrease in life):
<https://www.lamptech.co.uk/Images/Illustrations/IN%20Nomograph.jpg>
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
Le 28/02/2026 a 07:29, Peter Moylan a ocrit :
[...] I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the
heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I
had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to
be.)
Yes, that's the thing.
I imagine the big car and battery makers have exhaustively analysed
their connection systems, and what they ship will be optimum for them -
in terms of manufacturing cost, parts supply, warranty claims, etc..
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Le 28/02/2026 a 20:39, Cryptoengineer a ocrit :
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Interesting. "Regulators in the UK and some independent engineers have
noted that there are benefits to shorter bulb lifespans, as shorter-life bulbs can be brighter for the same wattage."
That's a point. I seem to recall that incandescent bulbs were pretty
cheap, and cost much less than the electricity they consumed. It could
well be economical to over-run them, up to a point (cf. photo floods).
This graph shows a marked increase in lumens per watt (as well as a
marked decrease in life):
<https://www.lamptech.co.uk/Images/Illustrations/IN%20Nomograph.jpg>
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/02/2026 |a 20:39, Cryptoengineer a |-crit :
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Interesting. "Regulators in the UK and some independent engineers have
noted that there are benefits to shorter bulb lifespans, as shorter-life
bulbs can be brighter for the same wattage."
That's a point. I seem to recall that incandescent bulbs were pretty
cheap, and cost much less than the electricity they consumed. It could
well be economical to over-run them, up to a point (cf. photo floods).
This graph shows a marked increase in lumens per watt (as well as a
marked decrease in life):
<https://www.lamptech.co.uk/Images/Illustrations/IN%20Nomograph.jpg>
So a thousand hours is a reasonable compromise.
There is the 'centennial bulb' however <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light
It lasts 'forever' by being run a 4 watt,
while originally designed for 60 watt,
Jan
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
Le 28/02/2026 |a 07:29, Peter Moylan a |-crit :
[...] I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the
heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I >>>> had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to
be.)
Yes, that's the thing.
I imagine the big car and battery makers have exhaustively analysed
their connection systems, and what they ship will be optimum for them -
in terms of manufacturing cost, parts supply, warranty claims, etc..
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Those 'evil capitalists' did have a point.
It did make sense to standardise bulb lifetime,
rather than have silly competitions about 'my bulbs lasts longer'.
(while not saying less efficient)
At the other end, there are 'Dubai Bulbs' from
Phillips, which are only sold there.
On 3/1/2026 8:02 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
Le 28/02/2026 a 07:29, Peter Moylan a ocrit :
[...] I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the >>>> heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I >>>> had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to >>>> be.)
Yes, that's the thing.
I imagine the big car and battery makers have exhaustively analysed
their connection systems, and what they ship will be optimum for them - >>> in terms of manufacturing cost, parts supply, warranty claims, etc..
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work.
This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Those 'evil capitalists' did have a point.
It did make sense to standardise bulb lifetime,
rather than have silly competitions about 'my bulbs lasts longer'.
(while not saying less efficient)
The only people who gained from the lack of 'silly contests' were
the bulb manufacturers.
On 3/1/2026 8:02 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Le 28/02/2026 a 20:39, Cryptoengineer a ocrit :
On 2/28/2026 6:22 AM, Hibou wrote:
When you're making millions of something, it's worth doing the work. >>>> This applies even more to light bulbs, which must be made in the
thousands of millions - and as cheaply as possible.
...and to make sure their lifetimes remained under 1000 hours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
Interesting. "Regulators in the UK and some independent engineers have
noted that there are benefits to shorter bulb lifespans, as shorter-life >> bulbs can be brighter for the same wattage."
That's a point. I seem to recall that incandescent bulbs were pretty
cheap, and cost much less than the electricity they consumed. It could
well be economical to over-run them, up to a point (cf. photo floods).
This graph shows a marked increase in lumens per watt (as well as a
marked decrease in life):
<https://www.lamptech.co.uk/Images/Illustrations/IN%20Nomograph.jpg>
So a thousand hours is a reasonable compromise.
There is the 'centennial bulb' however <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light
It lasts 'forever' by being run a 4 watt,
while originally designed for 60 watt,
Jan
At the other end, there are 'Dubai Bulbs' from
Phillips, which are only sold there.
They use 4 times as many LED elements, run at
1/4 power. They produce light more efficiently
then the regular bulbs, and the low temperatures
boost their life to 25,000 hours.
On 2026-02-27 09:04, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-26, Cryptoengineer wrote:
Much as I enjoy a good cat fight, have any of you actually researched
the topic, instead of just opining?
I find online professionals split on the issue of Vaseline
https://mobilehomerepairtips.com/lubricate-light-socket/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjJzKhp8nc
OTOH, lubricating bulb threads is a real thing.
Get some Bulbez:
http://www.bulbez.com/
They made a website that looks like a screenshot of a website!
I assume that's supposed to be pronounced "bulb-ease".
Probably more like 'bulb easy'.
On 2026-02-27, lar3ryca wrote:
On 2026-02-27 09:04, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-26, Cryptoengineer wrote:
Much as I enjoy a good cat fight, have any of you actually researched
the topic, instead of just opining?
I find online professionals split on the issue of Vaseline
https://mobilehomerepairtips.com/lubricate-light-socket/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsjJzKhp8nc
OTOH, lubricating bulb threads is a real thing.
Get some Bulbez:
http://www.bulbez.com/
They made a website that looks like a screenshot of a website!
I assume that's supposed to be pronounced "bulb-ease".
Probably more like 'bulb easy'.
Yes, especially since they spaced it out "BULB EZ".
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes:
On 02/03/2026 13:42, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-27, lar3ryca wrote:Some of us pronounce that last letter as a "zed", which means it doesn't quite work.
On 2026-02-27 09:04, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2026-02-26, Cryptoengineer wrote:
[snip]
http://www.bulbez.com/
I assume that's supposed to be pronounced "bulb-ease".
Probably more like 'bulb easy'.
Yes, especially since they spaced it out "BULB EZ".
Years ago, immigrants from the US opened a little shop here selling
supplies for all kinds of needlework. The called it "Sew EZ" which
they read as "So Easy". Native Nova Scotians said, "What does 'Sew
E-ZED' mean?"
On 27/02/26 02:48, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke:
"A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
Depends.-a If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct.-a If the intent is to say that the
doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should be
"other's".
And if he sees more than one person, it should be "others'".
On 3/1/2026 1:32 AM, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 27/02/26 02:48, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 14:52:43 +0100, "Anders D. Nygaard"
<news2012adn@google.com> wrote:
On 2/26/2026 2:36 AM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
The old joke: "A pathologist is a doctor who sits on one
stool and examines others."
ObAUE: Surely that should be "others'"?
Depends. If the intent is to say that the doctor examines other
people, the "others" is correct. If the intent is to say that
the doctor examines the stool of those he sees, then it should
be "other's".
And if he sees more than one person, it should be "others'".
As I thought. Is it perhaps regional?
On Fri, 27 Feb 2026 15:11:28 +0000, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
wrote:
On 2026-02-27, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 11:21:45 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
Yes, and another false friend there.
The English 'stool' for sitting on
should be usually be translated
to Dutch 'kruk', or perhaps 'bankje'.
Also in 'voetenbankje' <-> 'footstool'.
A Dutch 'stoel' always has a back.
The best translation to English is usually 'chair',
In English "stool" refers to a chair without a back, as a physical
form.
"Throne" refers to a seat that symbolises the authority of the one who
sits on it.
In England, a monarch is "enthroned".
So are Anglican bishops. Consecration makes someone a bishop and can
only be done to someone once. I think enthronement makes a bishop the >>Bishop of Name_of_See and does not apply to suffragan or assistant
bishops, but it can be done more than once to a bishop who changes
sees.
True, though there is some disagreement about whether they are
"enthroned" or "enthronized", and therefore whether the ceremony is
properly called "enthronement" or "enthronization".
On 27/02/26 20:25, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
The mechanic tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
The engineer analyses the problem, obtains a deeper understanding,
and acts according to the result.
...and then tightens the screws and bolts, and smears them with
Vaseline.
My very first research report was done in a vacation job between my
third and fourth undergraduate years. I was in a research organisation
that was, among other things, doing research on heat flow in an air-conditioned buildings. Thermocouples were placed in a number of
strategic places, and the output sampled by computer, once an hour.
My immediate boss, who was an electrical engineer, explained to me that mechanical engineers didn't understand the Nyquist sampling theorem, so
their measurements were probably meaningless. They were just putting
lumps of plasticine around the thermocouples. He gave me the job of
designing a thermal filter to do the low-pass filtering.
I spent twelve weeks on working out mathematical models for the heat
flow, plus a great many computer simulations. At the end of that time I
had the answer. You have to put lumps of plasticine around the
thermocouples.
(But at least I had the analysis that showed how big the lumps had to be.)
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