Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a theory
we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50 to make room
for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also discussed here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were leaked, Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners were on the other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut down
any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been announced yet by CBS.
On 12/21/2025 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a theory
we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50 to make
room for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also discussed
here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were leaked,
Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners were on the
other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut
down any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been announced
yet by CBS.
Other sources are also claiming it was Maryanne who was dropped for Savannah. Good choice as far as I'm concerned. It was obvious that
Savannah played a winning game. I'm still not sure why Maryanne won. Did
she get a bad edit or did the COVID break result in the editors, etc. forgetting how to tell a clear (or at least somewhere clear) story?
Fishbach is probably dying to tell us who won S50. Given his pre S49
comment that Rizo is the new face of the franchise, I wonder if that
means Rizo did extremely well on S50?
On 12/21/2025 4:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a
theory we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50 to
make room for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also
discussed here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were
leaked, Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners
were on the other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut
down any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been
announced yet by CBS.
Other sources are also claiming it was Maryanne who was dropped for
Savannah. Good choice as far as I'm concerned. It was obvious that
Savannah played a winning game. I'm still not sure why Maryanne won.
Did she get a bad edit or did the COVID break result in the editors,
etc. forgetting how to tell a clear (or at least somewhere clear) story?
To this day I have no idea how or why Maryanne won.
Fishbach is probably dying to tell us who won S50. Given his pre S49
comment that Rizo is the new face of the franchise, I wonder if that
means Rizo did extremely well on S50?
Hard to say.-a Rizo's been pretty full of himself in the post-game interviews, but that's probably just his personality.-a I find it hard to believe that the other S50 participants, who all essentially know one another and about one another's games, would allow an unknown like Rizo
to advance really far in the game.-a They know he had to have played well
in S49 to get the call for S50, so why take a chance on him like that? Course I thought the same thing about Russell in S20 and he made it to
the finals in back-to-back seasons.
I'm also curious if the players are officially told or just use their
brains to figure out that Savannah won S49.-a They would see previous winners Kyle and Dee on the other two tribes and would probably guess
pretty quickly that Savannah won S49.-a I also wonder if by putting the
only three winners on separate tribes if they are going to do some
special thing like giving the prior winners automatic immunity at their first tribal council?-a Seems to me something like that was done before
on some version of the show, not necessarily US, but I can't place when.
Regarding whether Fishbach or other commenters already know who won S50,
it wouldn't surprise me.-a The cast members and tribal breakdown were
leaked pretty quickly, so I'm sure the winner's ID has already been
leaked too, assuming they do a pre-taped finale reveal.-a I'm trying to
stay away from spoilers about that.
On 12/21/2025 2:59 PM, Rick wrote:
On 12/21/2025 4:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a
theory we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50
to make room for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also
discussed here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were
leaked, Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners
were on the other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut
down any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been
announced yet by CBS.
Other sources are also claiming it was Maryanne who was dropped for
Savannah. Good choice as far as I'm concerned. It was obvious that
Savannah played a winning game. I'm still not sure why Maryanne won.
Did she get a bad edit or did the COVID break result in the editors,
etc. forgetting how to tell a clear (or at least somewhere clear) story? >>>
To this day I have no idea how or why Maryanne won.
Fishbach is probably dying to tell us who won S50. Given his pre S49
comment that Rizo is the new face of the franchise, I wonder if that
means Rizo did extremely well on S50?
Hard to say.-a Rizo's been pretty full of himself in the post-game
interviews, but that's probably just his personality.-a I find it hard
to believe that the other S50 participants, who all essentially know
one another and about one another's games, would allow an unknown like
Rizo to advance really far in the game.-a They know he had to have
played well in S49 to get the call for S50, so why take a chance on
him like that? Course I thought the same thing about Russell in S20
and he made it to the finals in back-to-back seasons.
I don't think the other S50 players will automatically assume that Rizo
and Savannah played well in S49. Emily, for example, was clearly cast because of her story not because she played a great game. IIRC, she
barely made jury. Joe might have made F3 but did he really play a good
game? Q was entertaining as hell but he was just an average player as
far as I'm concerned. There's other such examples on S50 such as
Kamilla. If Rizo and Savannah were smart they hopefully made a deal not
to throw each other UTB and to say they made F8 but not F3.
I'm also curious if the players are officially told or just use their
brains to figure out that Savannah won S49.-a They would see previous
winners Kyle and Dee on the other two tribes and would probably guess
pretty quickly that Savannah won S49.-a I also wonder if by putting the
only three winners on separate tribes if they are going to do some
special thing like giving the prior winners automatic immunity at
their first tribal council?-a Seems to me something like that was done
before on some version of the show, not necessarily US, but I can't
place when.
IIRC, the other players on Heroes vs. Villains were not officially told about Russell. I think they figured out he was a jerk on their own. The
S50 players might assume Savannah won, but they might also assume a
twist happens that knocks them into two tribes before the first TC. With
all of the celebrity bullshit nothing will surprise me.
If the winners get immunity for the first TC fans will be putting a big asterisk beside S50. They never should have cast just three winners in a cast of 24.
Regarding whether Fishbach or other commenters already know who won
S50, it wouldn't surprise me.-a The cast members and tribal breakdown
were leaked pretty quickly, so I'm sure the winner's ID has already
been leaked too, assuming they do a pre-taped finale reveal.-a I'm
trying to stay away from spoilers about that.
I sure hope they stuck with doing an After Show. The live finales suck.
I'm not worried about spoilers. I don't go looking for them but it's impossible to avoid them. Everything I saw was wrong. Nearly everyone claimed they knew Rizo won and that Savannah was F3 because she was
asked to do S50. She was F3 but that's not the same as saying she won. I don't think anyone got the F5 correct. I also don't recall seeing
anything about Jake being taken out by a sea snake. Concerning S50, we
heard about the three tribes but nothing about the celebrity bullshit.
You'd think that would have been spoiled ages ago.
On 12/21/2025 6:04 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 2:59 PM, Rick wrote:
On 12/21/2025 4:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a
theory we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50
to make room for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also
discussed here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were
leaked, Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners
were on the other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut
down any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been
announced yet by CBS.
Other sources are also claiming it was Maryanne who was dropped for
Savannah. Good choice as far as I'm concerned. It was obvious that
Savannah played a winning game. I'm still not sure why Maryanne won.
Did she get a bad edit or did the COVID break result in the editors,
etc. forgetting how to tell a clear (or at least somewhere clear)
story?
To this day I have no idea how or why Maryanne won.
Fishbach is probably dying to tell us who won S50. Given his pre S49
comment that Rizo is the new face of the franchise, I wonder if that
means Rizo did extremely well on S50?
Hard to say.-a Rizo's been pretty full of himself in the post-game
interviews, but that's probably just his personality.-a I find it hard
to believe that the other S50 participants, who all essentially know
one another and about one another's games, would allow an unknown
like Rizo to advance really far in the game.-a They know he had to
have played well in S49 to get the call for S50, so why take a chance
on him like that? Course I thought the same thing about Russell in
S20 and he made it to the finals in back-to-back seasons.
I don't think the other S50 players will automatically assume that
Rizo and Savannah played well in S49. Emily, for example, was clearly
cast because of her story not because she played a great game. IIRC,
she barely made jury. Joe might have made F3 but did he really play a
good game? Q was entertaining as hell but he was just an average
player as far as I'm concerned. There's other such examples on S50
such as Kamilla. If Rizo and Savannah were smart they hopefully made a
deal not to throw each other UTB and to say they made F8 but not F3.
But the point is that they are unknowns.-a Yes, it is possible they are players who barely made the merge like Emily or who got cast because of their personalities rather than strategic sense like Q, but why take
that chance?-a If I am one of the 22 other players and I look at the
other 21 players who are well known and I already know what their
strengths and weaknesses are and what strategies they have used in the
past and whether they can be trusted, why take a chance on keeping
around these two unknowns who can make any story up they want?
I'm also curious if the players are officially told or just use their
brains to figure out that Savannah won S49.-a They would see previous
winners Kyle and Dee on the other two tribes and would probably guess
pretty quickly that Savannah won S49.-a I also wonder if by putting
the only three winners on separate tribes if they are going to do
some special thing like giving the prior winners automatic immunity
at their first tribal council?-a Seems to me something like that was
done before on-a some version of the show, not necessarily US, but I
can't place when.
IIRC, the other players on Heroes vs. Villains were not officially
told about Russell. I think they figured out he was a jerk on their
own. The S50 players might assume Savannah won, but they might also
assume a twist happens that knocks them into two tribes before the
first TC. With all of the celebrity bullshit nothing will surprise me.
That's possible, but I just think it is too symmetric to have three
tribes and two prior winners and one unknown split among the three
tribes.-a I think they are going to instantly guess that Sav won S49.
And yes, the players were not officially told anything about Russell in
S20 except that he played on the previous season.-a But they also knew
one other thing, which is that he was cast on the Villains tribe.-a So
that should have alerted them that he might not be trustworthy.-a That's frankly why I have never understood JT's little love note to Russell
trying to get him to align with the heroes.-a Couldn't he figure out that Russell was cast as a villain for a reason?
If the winners get immunity for the first TC fans will be putting a
big asterisk beside S50. They never should have cast just three
winners in a cast of 24.
Agree.-a I personally wouldn't have cast any prior winners since we have seen in the past that they are often targeted early.-a In the original all-star season, S8, all the prior winners were targeted early and I
believe all were voted out before the merge.-a I would save prior winners for an all-winners season.
Regarding whether Fishbach or other commenters already know who won
S50, it wouldn't surprise me.-a The cast members and tribal breakdown
were leaked pretty quickly, so I'm sure the winner's ID has already
been leaked too, assuming they do a pre-taped finale reveal.-a I'm
trying to stay away from spoilers about that.
I sure hope they stuck with doing an After Show. The live finales
suck. I'm not worried about spoilers. I don't go looking for them but
it's impossible to avoid them. Everything I saw was wrong. Nearly
everyone claimed they knew Rizo won and that Savannah was F3 because
she was asked to do S50. She was F3 but that's not the same as saying
she won. I don't think anyone got the F5 correct. I also don't recall
seeing anything about Jake being taken out by a sea snake. Concerning
S50, we heard about the three tribes but nothing about the celebrity
bullshit. You'd think that would have been spoiled ages ago.
All true.-a Personally, I think the only time I have ever been spoiled on
a Survivor season was S1 when Gervase spoiled in a radio interviewer
that the winner was a man.
Regarding S49, I had heard speculation that Rizo had won, but it just
became obvious to me as the season progressed that the edit was pointing very clearly to Savannah.
On 12/21/2025 4:43 PM, Rick wrote:
On 12/21/2025 6:04 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 2:59 PM, Rick wrote:
On 12/21/2025 4:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 12/21/2025 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
Stephan Fishbach seems to confirm on the Know-it-Alls podcast a
theory we had talked about here that Maryanne was dropped from S50 >>>>>> to make room for Savannah.-a He also pointed out, as we had also
discussed here, that when the names of who was on each tribe were >>>>>> leaked, Savannah was on one tribe and the other two prior winners >>>>>> were on the other two.
Amusingly, as he had done on a prior podcast, Rob immediately shut >>>>>> down any discussion of the tribe makeup since it hadn't been
announced yet by CBS.
Other sources are also claiming it was Maryanne who was dropped for >>>>> Savannah. Good choice as far as I'm concerned. It was obvious that
Savannah played a winning game. I'm still not sure why Maryanne
won. Did she get a bad edit or did the COVID break result in the
editors, etc. forgetting how to tell a clear (or at least somewhere >>>>> clear) story?
To this day I have no idea how or why Maryanne won.
Fishbach is probably dying to tell us who won S50. Given his pre
S49 comment that Rizo is the new face of the franchise, I wonder if >>>>> that means Rizo did extremely well on S50?
Hard to say.-a Rizo's been pretty full of himself in the post-game
interviews, but that's probably just his personality.-a I find it
hard to believe that the other S50 participants, who all essentially
know one another and about one another's games, would allow an
unknown like Rizo to advance really far in the game.-a They know he
had to have played well in S49 to get the call for S50, so why take
a chance on him like that? Course I thought the same thing about
Russell in S20 and he made it to the finals in back-to-back seasons.
I don't think the other S50 players will automatically assume that
Rizo and Savannah played well in S49. Emily, for example, was clearly
cast because of her story not because she played a great game. IIRC,
she barely made jury. Joe might have made F3 but did he really play a
good game? Q was entertaining as hell but he was just an average
player as far as I'm concerned. There's other such examples on S50
such as Kamilla. If Rizo and Savannah were smart they hopefully made
a deal not to throw each other UTB and to say they made F8 but not F3.
But the point is that they are unknowns.-a Yes, it is possible they are
players who barely made the merge like Emily or who got cast because
of their personalities rather than strategic sense like Q, but why
take that chance?-a If I am one of the 22 other players and I look at
the other 21 players who are well known and I already know what their
strengths and weaknesses are and what strategies they have used in the
past and whether they can be trusted, why take a chance on keeping
around these two unknowns who can make any story up they want?
If one of the known 22 players is vulnerable and seen as a huge threat,
I think the others would go after that person before Rizo or Savannah.
Until Rizo and Savannah do something that makes them a threat I think
they will be left alone unless there's personality conflicts. I'm
interested to see how Savannah comes across to her tribemates. Will she
be seen as mean girl? Rizo's biggest worry might be sucking too badly in challenges which would make him an easy target if his tribe goes to TC.
I'm also curious if the players are officially told or just use
their brains to figure out that Savannah won S49.-a They would see
previous winners Kyle and Dee on the other two tribes and would
probably guess pretty quickly that Savannah won S49.-a I also wonder
if by putting the only three winners on separate tribes if they are
going to do some special thing like giving the prior winners
automatic immunity at their first tribal council?-a Seems to me
something like that was done before on-a some version of the show,
not necessarily US, but I can't place when.
IIRC, the other players on Heroes vs. Villains were not officially
told about Russell. I think they figured out he was a jerk on their
own. The S50 players might assume Savannah won, but they might also
assume a twist happens that knocks them into two tribes before the
first TC. With all of the celebrity bullshit nothing will surprise me.
That's possible, but I just think it is too symmetric to have three
tribes and two prior winners and one unknown split among the three
tribes.-a I think they are going to instantly guess that Sav won S49.
They might instantly assume that. A lot will depend on how much Jeff
hypes up how the season might be vastly different than past seasons.
Jeff even stole "expect the unexpected" from Julie to describe S50. BB
fans know that is code for "expect major league fuckery from production."
And yes, the players were not officially told anything about Russell
in S20 except that he played on the previous season.-a But they also
knew one other thing, which is that he was cast on the Villains
tribe.-a So that should have alerted them that he might not be
trustworthy.-a That's frankly why I have never understood JT's little
love note to Russell trying to get him to align with the heroes.
Couldn't he figure out that Russell was cast as a villain for a reason?
In defense of JT, Parv was cast as a villain. He might have thought production screwed up or was short of good villain players.
If the winners get immunity for the first TC fans will be putting a
big asterisk beside S50. They never should have cast just three
winners in a cast of 24.
Agree.-a I personally wouldn't have cast any prior winners since we
have seen in the past that they are often targeted early.-a In the
original all-star season, S8, all the prior winners were targeted
early and I believe all were voted out before the merge.-a I would save
prior winners for an all-winners season.
I doubt we'll ever see another all-winners season. Saving Dee, etc. for
a New Era All Stars season would have made more sense than throwing them
on S50.
Regarding whether Fishbach or other commenters already know who won
S50, it wouldn't surprise me.-a The cast members and tribal breakdown >>>> were leaked pretty quickly, so I'm sure the winner's ID has already
been leaked too, assuming they do a pre-taped finale reveal.-a I'm
trying to stay away from spoilers about that.
I sure hope they stuck with doing an After Show. The live finales
suck. I'm not worried about spoilers. I don't go looking for them but
it's impossible to avoid them. Everything I saw was wrong. Nearly
everyone claimed they knew Rizo won and that Savannah was F3 because
she was asked to do S50. She was F3 but that's not the same as saying
she won. I don't think anyone got the F5 correct. I also don't recall
seeing anything about Jake being taken out by a sea snake. Concerning
S50, we heard about the three tribes but nothing about the celebrity
bullshit. You'd think that would have been spoiled ages ago.
All true.-a Personally, I think the only time I have ever been spoiled
on a Survivor season was S1 when Gervase spoiled in a radio
interviewer that the winner was a man.
CBS has spoiled seasons in the past. There was a time around when Hayden Moss played where they were posting photos to the media site showing who
won immunity and who got voted out. Fans made a big stink about it which
led to Jeff getting pissed off at CBS for spoiling the episodes. I'm
pretty sure I posted an article about it at the time. There was other
stuff the web people did that also spoiled things.
Regarding S49, I had heard speculation that Rizo had won, but it just
became obvious to me as the season progressed that the edit was
pointing very clearly to Savannah.
People bought into the Rizo hype. I thought the edit early on made it
clear that Savannah was going to win. Sage making F3 was not clear at all.
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