• Is Sophie talking about Kristina?

    From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Dec 4 19:38:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom. According
    to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi going by their
    last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their last
    names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by both
    someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101
    --
    Brian

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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Dec 4 22:53:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom. According
    to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi going by their
    last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by both
    someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild. Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just address
    this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on different
    names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB, SS, use their
    middle names, whatever. In Marquesas there were two Robs, so they
    became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup right from the
    start. So we could have had Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York)
    Sophie.

    There are a lot of ways this could have been setup pre-season so that it
    never became a distracting plot point during the show.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Dec 4 21:53:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom. According
    to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi going by
    their last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is she talking
    about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their
    last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by
    both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-
    survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just address
    this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on different
    names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB, SS, use their
    middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two Robs, so they
    became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup right from the start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York) Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff probably
    didn't want them using initials because MC was already using hers. He
    likely said "no" to last names because that "honor" is reserved for his
    faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them using colors, the edit
    still included tons of footage of the other players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree with Sophie that they both have
    cool last names. That's what the show should have gone with.

    There are a lot of ways this could have been setup pre-season so that it never became a distracting plot point during the show.

    BB10 had two Brians. From the start one of them went by his last name
    and that's how he was credited from Day 1. There's probably still a ton
    of fans that think his name is actually Ollie. A funny thing about that situation is that the guy they let go by his real first name was the
    first person evicted that season.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Dec 5 00:38:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi
    going by their last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is
    she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their
    last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by
    both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-
    survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just address
    this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on different
    names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB, SS, use their
    middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two Robs, so they
    became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup right from the
    start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York)
    Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already using hers. He
    likely said "no" to last names because that "honor" is reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the other players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree with Sophie that they both have
    cool last names. That's what the show should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called that
    right from the start. Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty much just
    asked to be called that. So it seems the old rule about reserving last
    names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    There are a lot of ways this could have been setup pre-season so that
    it never became a distracting plot point during the show.

    BB10 had two Brians. From the start one of them went by his last name
    and that's how he was credited from Day 1. There's probably still a ton
    of fans that think his name is actually Ollie. A funny thing about that situation is that the guy they let go by his real first name was the
    first person evicted that season.


    And I mentioned previously the Hells Kitchen season with two Kimberlys,
    so one went by her last name of Ryan and she ended up winning the
    season. To this day, that season winner is always referenced as "Ryan"
    and I doubt if many casual fans realize her actual first name.

    I think we also talked previously about how the original Purple Kelly
    was called that to distinguish her from the other Kelly in the cast that season. It was only a result of her getting so little screen time that
    the adjective "purple" started to be use as a descriptor for such
    players after that. It's ironic that Yellow Sophie from this season was referred to by some fans as Purple Sophie in the early episodes because
    she was so rarely seen.

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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Dec 5 01:35:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/5/2025 12:38 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi
    going by their last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is
    she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their
    last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by
    both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-
    survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just address
    this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on different
    names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB, SS, use their
    middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two Robs, so they
    became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup right from the
    start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York)
    Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff
    probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already using
    hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that "honor" is
    reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them
    using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the other
    players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree
    with Sophie that they both have cool last names. That's what the show
    should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    There are a lot of ways this could have been setup pre-season so that
    it never became a distracting plot point during the show.

    BB10 had two Brians. From the start one of them went by his last name
    and that's how he was credited from Day 1. There's probably still a
    ton of fans that think his name is actually Ollie. A funny thing about
    that situation is that the guy they let go by his real first name was
    the first person evicted that season.


    And I mentioned previously the Hells Kitchen season with two Kimberlys,
    so one went by her last name of Ryan and she ended up winning the
    season.-a To this day, that season winner is always referenced as "Ryan"
    and I doubt if many casual fans realize her actual first name.

    I think we also talked previously about how the original Purple Kelly
    was called that to distinguish her from the other Kelly in the cast that season.-a It was only a result of her getting so little screen time that
    the adjective "purple" started to be use as a descriptor for such
    players after that.-a It's ironic that Yellow Sophie from this season was referred to by some fans as Purple Sophie in the early episodes because
    she was so rarely seen.


    I should have clarified that Purple Kelly was only called that because
    of the purple streak in her hair.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Dec 5 18:07:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/4/2025 10:38 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi
    going by their last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is
    she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their
    last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down by
    both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-
    survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just address
    this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on different
    names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB, SS, use their
    middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two Robs, so they
    became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup right from the
    start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York)
    Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff
    probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already using
    hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that "honor" is
    reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them
    using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the other
    players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree
    with Sophie that they both have cool last names. That's what the show
    should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    Except for women. Pre New Era it was super rare for him to refer to a
    female player by their last name. The only real example I can think of
    is KW. I can't recall though if Jeff called her Kelley when she first
    played with her dad or if he started calling her Wentworth that season.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Sat Dec 6 21:52:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/5/2025 8:07 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 10:38 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi
    going by their last names because they're too hard to pronounce. Is >>>>> she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina to me. >>>>>
    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their
    last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down
    by both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti-
    survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just
    address this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on
    different names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB,
    SS, use their middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two
    Robs, so they became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was setup
    right from the start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and
    Maryland (or New York) Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff
    probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already using
    hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that "honor" is
    reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them
    using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the other
    players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree
    with Sophie that they both have cool last names. That's what the show
    should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called
    that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty
    much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about
    reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems
    to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    Except for women. Pre New Era it was super rare for him to refer to a
    female player by their last name. The only real example I can think of
    is KW. I can't recall though if Jeff called her Kelley when she first
    played with her dad or if he started calling her Wentworth that season.


    I thought it was to avoid confusion since there were two Kellys that
    season - her and Wiglesworth. She certainly wasn't called that when
    she played with her dad, since they had the same last name.

    You are right he rarely called women by their last name. If you think
    about it, the three most famous and iconic female players on the show - Parvati, Sandra and Cirie - were never addressed by their last names.
    And many other strong players like Kim, Aubry, Stephenie, Denise,
    Michele, Chrissy, etc. were always addressed just by their first name. Off-hand the only female players I can think of who were addressed by
    their last name other than the two KWs were Sarah Lacina (briefly) and
    Sarah Dawson (who requested he call her that because that's what people
    called her in real life).

    Regarding players with the same first name, it occurred to me that the earliest example of this was on Season 3 when there were two Kims, Kim
    Johnson and Kim Powers. I think fans often referred to them as Big Kim
    and Little Kim or Old Kim and Young Kim, but on the show I think they
    just used their full names.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Sun Dec 7 18:50:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/6/2025 7:52 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/5/2025 8:07 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 10:38 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and Sophi >>>>>> going by their last names because they're too hard to pronounce.
    Is she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation screams Kristina >>>>>> to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by their >>>>>> last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were shot down >>>>>> by both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti- >>>>>> survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just
    address this right from the start of the season by just agreeing on >>>>> different names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, SB,
    SS, use their middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were two >>>>> Robs, so they became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was
    setup right from the start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi and >>>>> Maryland (or New York) Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues like
    this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff
    probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already
    using hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that "honor"
    is reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed them
    using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the other
    players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I agree
    with Sophie that they both have cool last names. That's what the
    show should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called
    that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty
    much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about
    reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems
    to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    Except for women. Pre New Era it was super rare for him to refer to a
    female player by their last name. The only real example I can think of
    is KW. I can't recall though if Jeff called her Kelley when she first
    played with her dad or if he started calling her Wentworth that season.


    I thought it was to avoid confusion since there were two Kellys that
    season --a her and Wiglesworth.-a She certainly wasn't called that when
    she played with her dad, since they had the same last name.

    I just watched the first chunk of S31 Ep01 and it was Wiglesworth who
    got the last name treatment from Jeff. He called KW "Kelley Wentworth."
    The credits used their first names. It makes sense Wiglesworth got the
    last name treatment because she was one vote away from winning S1,
    whereas KW was an early (4th?) boot in her first season. I'm just about
    100% positive she was Wentworth from the start of S38. Did Jeff start
    calling her Wentworth later in S31 or did that not come until S38? IIRC,
    fans were calling her Wentworth from pretty early on in her Survivor career.

    You are right he rarely called women by their last name.-a If you think about it, the three most famous and iconic female players on the show - Parvati, Sandra and Cirie --a were never addressed by their last names.
    And many other strong players like Kim, Aubry, Stephenie,-a Denise,
    Michele, Chrissy, etc. were always addressed just by their first name. Off-hand the only female players I can think of who were addressed by
    their last name other than the two KWs were Sarah Lacina (briefly) and
    Sarah Dawson (who requested he call her that because that's what people called her in real life).

    To be fair, some of their last names don't exactly roll of the tongue or
    have bad connotations. Others just seem to have taken ownership of their
    first name. There's been plenty of Kims, but for most fans Kim = Kim
    Spradlin.

    Sarah Dawson? I'll have to look her up as I'm drawing a complete blank.

    Regarding players with the same first name, it occurred to me that the earliest example of this was on Season 3 when there were two Kims, Kim Johnson and Kim Powers.-a I think fans often referred to them as Big Kim
    and Little Kim or Old Kim and Young Kim, but on the show I think they
    just used their full names.

    There's a lot of things they could have done this season that would have
    been better than sticking Sophi with a name she was thrilled with.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Sun Dec 7 22:33:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/7/2025 8:50 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/6/2025 7:52 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/5/2025 8:07 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 10:38 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and
    Sophi going by their last names because they're too hard to
    pronounce. Is she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation
    screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by
    their last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were
    shot down by both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-segreti- >>>>>>> survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just
    address this right from the start of the season by just agreeing
    on different names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti,
    SB, SS, use their middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there were >>>>>> two Robs, so they became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and this was >>>>>> setup right from the start.-a So we could have had Florida Sophi
    and Maryland (or New York) Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues
    like this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them. Jeff >>>>> probably didn't want them using initials because MC was already
    using hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that "honor"
    is reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he nixed
    them using colors, the edit still included tons of footage of the
    other players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue Sophie. I >>>>> agree with Sophie that they both have cool last names. That's what
    the show should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called
    that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty
    much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about
    reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world seems
    to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    Except for women. Pre New Era it was super rare for him to refer to a
    female player by their last name. The only real example I can think
    of is KW. I can't recall though if Jeff called her Kelley when she
    first played with her dad or if he started calling her Wentworth that
    season.


    I thought it was to avoid confusion since there were two Kellys that
    season --a her and Wiglesworth.-a She certainly wasn't called that when
    she played with her dad, since they had the same last name.

    I just watched the first chunk of S31 Ep01 and it was Wiglesworth who
    got the last name treatment from Jeff. He called KW "Kelley Wentworth."
    The credits used their first names. It makes sense Wiglesworth got the
    last name treatment because she was one vote away from winning S1,
    whereas KW was an early (4th?) boot in her first season. I'm just about
    100% positive she was Wentworth from the start of S38. Did Jeff start calling her Wentworth later in S31 or did that not come until S38? IIRC, fans were calling her Wentworth from pretty early on in her Survivor
    career.


    My recollection was that Jeff started calling her Wentworth at some
    point during the Second Chances season. I don't feel like going back
    and skimming through those episodes, but I did find this old Reddit
    thread from 10 years ago when the season was airing which seems to
    confirm my recollection:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/3v6w2e/why_are_they_still_calling_her_wentworth/

    Apparently, posters are complaining about Jeff continuing to address
    Kelley Wentworth as Wentworth even after Kelly Wigleworth was voted out.

    You are right he rarely called women by their last name.-a If you think
    about it, the three most famous and iconic female players on the show
    - Parvati, Sandra and Cirie --a were never addressed by their last
    names. And many other strong players like Kim, Aubry, Stephenie,
    Denise, Michele, Chrissy, etc. were always addressed just by their
    first name. Off-hand the only female players I can think of who were
    addressed by their last name other than the two KWs were Sarah Lacina
    (briefly) and Sarah Dawson (who requested he call her that because
    that's what people called her in real life).

    To be fair, some of their last names don't exactly roll of the tongue or have bad connotations. Others just seem to have taken ownership of their first name. There's been plenty of Kims, but for most fans Kim = Kim Spradlin.


    Yeah, somehow I don't think Diaz-Twine would ever have caught on as a
    nickname for Sandra.

    Sarah Dawson? I'll have to look her up as I'm drawing a complete blank.


    She's probably best known for kissing Jeff on air on two different
    episodes. I had forgotten this, but she also was apparently the only
    player on her tribe to recognize the other Jeff - Jeff Kent - as a ball player, a la Danni Boatright with Gary Hogeboom.

    https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Sarah_Dawson

    Regarding players with the same first name, it occurred to me that the
    earliest example of this was on Season 3 when there were two Kims, Kim
    Johnson and Kim Powers.-a I think fans often referred to them as Big
    Kim and Little Kim or Old Kim and Young Kim, but on the show I think
    they just used their full names.

    There's a lot of things they could have done this season that would have been better than sticking Sophi with a name she was thrilled with.


    Now that yellow Sophie is gone, I wonder if they will go back to calling
    Soph by her proper first name of Sophie?

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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Sun Dec 7 21:04:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 12/7/2025 8:33 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/7/2025 8:50 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/6/2025 7:52 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/5/2025 8:07 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 10:38 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 11:53 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 8:53 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 12/4/2025 9:38 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    This is a clip from Sophie's exit interview with Mike Bloom.
    According to Sophie, a cast member nixed the idea of her and
    Sophi going by their last names because they're too hard to
    pronounce. Is she talking about Kristina? Her impersonation
    screams Kristina to me.

    Tweet from Mike Bloom:

    Sophie says she and @sophibalerdi originally wanted to go by
    their last names or "Yellow Sophie/Blue Sophi." But they were >>>>>>>> shot down by both someone in their cast and Jeff himself

    Full #Survivor49 interview: https://parade.com/tv/sophie-
    segreti- survivor-49-eliminated-interview

    https://x.com/AMikeBloomType/status/1996617658876486101


    That's wild.-a Honestly, I don't know why the show didn't just
    address this right from the start of the season by just agreeing >>>>>>> on different names for the two - Soph, Sophie, Belardi, Segreti, >>>>>>> SB, SS, use their middle names, whatever.-a In Marquesas there
    were two Robs, so they became Boston Rob and New York Rob, and
    this was setup right from the start.-a So we could have had
    Florida Sophi and Maryland (or New York) Sophie.

    I think the show was so focused on S50 that they ignored issues
    like this one in S49 until they were forced to deal with them.
    Jeff probably didn't want them using initials because MC was
    already using hers. He likely said "no" to last names because that >>>>>> "honor" is reserved for his faves. It's funny that even though he >>>>>> nixed them using colors, the edit still included tons of footage
    of the other players referring to them as Yellow Sophie and Blue
    Sophie. I agree with Sophie that they both have cool last names.
    That's what the show should have gone with.


    But Gabler was never necessarily one of Jeff's faves. He was called >>>>> that right from the start.-a Ditto David Jelinsky who I think pretty >>>>> much just asked to be called that.-a So it seems the old rule about >>>>> reserving last names for the Cochrans and Hatches of the world
    seems to be one of the casualties of the New era.

    Except for women. Pre New Era it was super rare for him to refer to
    a female player by their last name. The only real example I can
    think of is KW. I can't recall though if Jeff called her Kelley when
    she first played with her dad or if he started calling her Wentworth
    that season.


    I thought it was to avoid confusion since there were two Kellys that
    season --a her and Wiglesworth.-a She certainly wasn't called that when >>> she played with her dad, since they had the same last name.

    I just watched the first chunk of S31 Ep01 and it was Wiglesworth who
    got the last name treatment from Jeff. He called KW "Kelley
    Wentworth." The credits used their first names. It makes sense
    Wiglesworth got the last name treatment because she was one vote away
    from winning S1, whereas KW was an early (4th?) boot in her first
    season. I'm just about 100% positive she was Wentworth from the start
    of S38. Did Jeff start calling her Wentworth later in S31 or did that
    not come until S38? IIRC, fans were calling her Wentworth from pretty
    early on in her Survivor career.


    My recollection was that Jeff started calling her Wentworth at some
    point during the Second Chances season.-a I don't feel like going back
    and skimming through those episodes, but I did find this old Reddit
    thread from 10 years ago when the season was airing which seems to
    confirm my recollection:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/survivor/comments/3v6w2e/ why_are_they_still_calling_her_wentworth/

    Apparently, posters are complaining about Jeff continuing to address
    Kelley Wentworth as Wentworth even after Kelly Wigleworth was voted out.

    That makes sense.

    You are right he rarely called women by their last name.-a If you
    think about it, the three most famous and iconic female players on
    the show - Parvati, Sandra and Cirie --a were never addressed by their
    last names. And many other strong players like Kim, Aubry, Stephenie,
    Denise, Michele, Chrissy, etc. were always addressed just by their
    first name. Off-hand the only female players I can think of who were
    addressed by their last name other than the two KWs were Sarah Lacina
    (briefly) and Sarah Dawson (who requested he call her that because
    that's what people called her in real life).

    To be fair, some of their last names don't exactly roll of the tongue
    or have bad connotations. Others just seem to have taken ownership of
    their first name. There's been plenty of Kims, but for most fans Kim =
    Kim Spradlin.


    Yeah, somehow I don't think Diaz-Twine would ever have caught on as a nickname for Sandra.

    Exactly!

    Sarah Dawson? I'll have to look her up as I'm drawing a complete blank.


    She's probably best known for kissing Jeff on air on two different episodes.-a I had forgotten this, but she also was apparently the only player on her tribe to recognize the other Jeff - Jeff Kent - as a ball player, a la Danni Boatright with Gary Hogeboom.

    https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Sarah_Dawson

    Still drawing a blank. I'll have to read up on her.

    Regarding players with the same first name, it occurred to me that
    the earliest example of this was on Season 3 when there were two
    Kims, Kim Johnson and Kim Powers.-a I think fans often referred to
    them as Big Kim and Little Kim or Old Kim and Young Kim, but on the
    show I think they just used their full names.

    There's a lot of things they could have done this season that would
    have been better than sticking Sophi with a name she was thrilled with.


    Now that yellow Sophie is gone, I wonder if they will go back to calling Soph by her proper first name of Sophie?

    I should have proofread what I wrote before replying. Sophi *was not*
    thrilled with being called Soph. I think the show will go back to
    calling her Sophi. On Thursday she posted some episode pics under "You
    can call me Sophi now." I have a feeling the opening sequence will also
    go back to using her real name.
    --
    Brian
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