• S49 Ep06 Spoilers and Comments (10/29/2025)

    From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Wed Oct 29 22:50:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think my
    favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight. They
    didn't even try to hide it in the edit.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage
    and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out
    who else has one?

    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out
    with the SITD.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the RC
    which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in the
    IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly entertaining.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 14:09:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight. They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that. The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven. After all, if the season is really coming
    down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting
    to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge. I guess their thinking was that the Ulis
    still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage
    and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out
    who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly. It is really hard to believe she would be an early post-merge target.


    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out
    with the SITD.


    I agree. Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit. He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit. He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining
    Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the
    oldest member of the merged tribe. I have to say that his
    "stay-at-home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if
    everyone is believing it. He's told everyone he used to work in the
    movie industry as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than that. He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final
    three vibes.


    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in the
    IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do. I'm wondering if they are going to be a
    Charlie-Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn
    on the other right before the end.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly entertaining.


    Not me. I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone. I was glad to see
    her go. I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 16:42:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think
    my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really coming down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting
    to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the Ulis still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage
    and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out
    who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?
    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out
    with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining
    Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his "stay-at- home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if everyone is believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the movie industry
    as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on the other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to see her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty
    legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--
    Brian
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  • From shawn@nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 18:47:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think
    my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really coming >> down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting
    to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the Ulis >> still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the >person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage
    and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out
    who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to
    believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.

    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out
    with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining
    Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the
    oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his "stay-at-
    home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if everyone is
    believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the movie industry
    as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than
    that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on the
    other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to see >> her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty >legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--

    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?
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  • From Zeppo@reg@telus.invalid to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 17:42:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I certainly wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there
    was no reason to do so.


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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 18:58:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 4:47 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think >>>> my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really coming >>> down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting >>> to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the Ulis >>> still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the
    person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage >>>> and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out >>>> who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to >>> believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.

    Now that we're down to 11, I think the next episode will start the
    merge. I can't see them doing a jury of seven or a F2.

    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out >>>> with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining >>> Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the
    oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his "stay-at-
    home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if everyone is
    believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the movie industry >>> as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than
    that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on the
    other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to see >>> her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty
    legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--

    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?
    She probably would. BB also loves to have fun with people like Shannon.
    Julie would be Shannon's #1 fan. If Julie watches Survivor I can see
    Shannon getting a God 101 invite.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 19:08:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I certainly wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's likely
    going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or the
    shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after he
    won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!
    --
    Brian
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  • From Zeppo@reg@telus.invalid to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 18:17:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Oct 30, 2025, Rick wrote
    (in article <10e09k7$3ndnj$1@dont-email.me>):

    Not me. I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone. I was glad to see
    her go.

    Honestly, at this point in the season, I want to see them all gone. I havenrCOt
    disliked a cast this much since S42.
    Based on the edit so far, the winner was likely Savannah, Alex, or Ratso,
    with Sophi and Nate as long shots.

    I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?

    Oh, I have no doubt that ShannonrCOs shtick was legitimate, and
    I have to give her credit for making a graceful exit. Although I
    did find her annoying at times, I would much rather have seen
    Sage, Sophi, or Savannah out of the game instead.


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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 19:30:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 7:17 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 30, 2025, Rick wrote
    (in article <10e09k7$3ndnj$1@dont-email.me>):

    Not me. I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone. I was glad to see
    her go.

    Honestly, at this point in the season, I want to see them all gone. I havenrCOt
    disliked a cast this much since S42.
    Based on the edit so far, the winner was likely Savannah, Alex, or Ratso, with Sophi and Nate as long shots.

    Alex winning would be very surprising. The closest parallel I can think
    of would be Kenz winning S46.

    I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?

    Oh, I have no doubt that ShannonrCOs shtick was legitimate, and
    I have to give her credit for making a graceful exit. Although I
    did find her annoying at times, I would much rather have seen
    Sage, Sophi, or Savannah out of the game instead.

    Sophi and Savannah are the stars of the season thus far. If Steven had
    been the boot I wouldn't have missed. Same goes for Jawan, but I'm
    starting to feel he might go deep into the game.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Zeppo@reg@telus.invalid to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 18:34:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Oct 30, 2025, shawn wrote
    (in article<1hq7gk5lq418u8hldb2ri03k4gaov51d26@4ax.com>):


    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?

    Well, any bad blood that may have existed between Sage and Shannon
    when they were in the game together appears to be long gone. There is
    a photo on Instagram of the two of them, and Jawan, with their arms around
    each other at a watch party smiling for the camera.


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  • From Zeppo@reg@telus.invalid to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 18:51:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Oct 30, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10e11jh$4b21$1@dont-email.me>):


    Now that we're down to 11, I think the next episode will start the
    merge. I can't see them doing a jury of seven or a F2.

    If the plan was to merge at 11, why did Uncle J mess with the
    tribes at 12? If he had not interfered, Shannon would have
    likely survived, even if her Blue Tribe had beenforced to go
    to TC.


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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 21:54:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I
    think my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really
    coming down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and
    Jawan voting to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with
    the other original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was
    that the Ulis still have an overall edge, and that they could explain
    to Savannah, Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much
    of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power
    advantage and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her
    probably the most powerful person in the game going into the merge.
    The question going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or
    wait to find out who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard
    to believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?
    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked
    out with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the
    remaining Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about
    the be the oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his
    "stay-at- home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if
    everyone is believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the
    movie industry as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as
    much smarter than that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote
    final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on
    the other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to
    see her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and
    how much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--
    Brian

    I think Savannah would be right at home on BB. I initially said I
    thought Sage would be eaten alive on BB, but maybe she is more strategic
    than I originally thought.
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 21:59:46 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 6:47 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think >>>> my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really coming >>> down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting >>> to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the Ulis >>> still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the
    person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage >>>> and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out >>>> who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to >>> believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.


    The possibility of a medical evaluation triggered a thought for me. We
    often see idols and advantages have expiration dates. I believe the
    advantage we just saw said it could be used through final six. We've
    often seen idols good to final five. I wonder what would happen if a
    player has an idol they plan to use at final five, but all of a sudden
    when they are down to five players, there is a medical evacuation and we
    are down to four prematurely. Would the idols with five-players-left expirations suddenly expire?

    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out >>>> with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining >>> Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the
    oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his "stay-at-
    home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if everyone is
    believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the movie industry >>> as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than
    that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on the
    other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to see >>> her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty
    legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--

    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?

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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 22:05:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 6:47 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think >>>> my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really coming >>> down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan voting >>> to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the Ulis >>> still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the
    person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage >>>> and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the
    most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out >>>> who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope
    she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to >>> believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.

    I think Nate saved his own butt with his performance in the IC.If his
    tribe had lost it looked like he was the easy out unless he lucked out >>>> with the SITD.


    I agree.-a Nate is getting an interesting, low-key kind of edit.-a He
    doesn't seem to be making any waves, but he's also not getting much of
    any kind of edit.-a He just seems to be the odd man out in the remaining >>> Uli five - the obvious "older" person in the group and about the be the
    oldest member of the merged tribe.-a I have to say that his "stay-at-
    home-dad" story doesn't really ring true, and I wonder if everyone is
    believing it.-a He's told everyone he used to work in the movie industry >>> as an assistant, but I just think he comes across as much smarter than
    that.-a He's starting to give me slight zero-vote final three vibes.

    Nate's new tribe sure wasn't buying that he tried to work with Jason so
    I wouldn't be surprised if his old tribes don't believe he's a stay at
    home dad. Has he told the others what his wife does? When they merge is
    Nate going to be able to get back his top spot with Rizo and Savannah,
    or has Sophi taken that from him? I guess as long as Jawan is around
    Nate should be safe.

    Rizo finally looked good in challenges tonight. He won his tribe the
    RC which was great for Sophi. He and Savannah were very impressive in
    the IC on the maze part of the challenge. They work well together.


    They certainly do.-a I'm wondering if they are going to be a Charlie-
    Maria type relationship where one of them eventually has to turn on the
    other right before the end.

    That would be interesting! I can see Rizo trying to take her out
    thinking he can't beat her. What I would really like to see is Sophi
    taking Rizo out at F6 dashing his plans to take out Savannah at F5.

    I'm kind of sad Shannon was booted tonight. I found her to be highly
    entertaining.


    Not me.-a I disliked her intently, especially with her constant
    evangelizing and her obsession with hugging everyone.-a I was glad to see >>> her go.-a I still wonder how much of her affect is legitimate and how
    much is put-on?
    You didn't like the hand holding and air kisses?! I think she was pretty
    legit and that blinded her to how much Sage couldn't stand her. They
    both need to be cast on BB. Their talents were wasted on Survivor.--

    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?

    Well they've already said they enjoy pee and poop talk together, so if
    they're handcuffed for 24 hours they can experience it together first hand.
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  • From Zeppo@reg@telus.invalid to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 19:08:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On Oct 30, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10e126t$4b21$2@dont-email.me>):



    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or the
    shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    Ratso said it when he was plodding down the beach with the
    diverrCOs flippers on his feet. When I realized that he was going
    to be allowed to play to the camera for a while, I fast forwarded
    through it. But I did catch rCLthe devilrCOs shoesrCY line.


    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after he
    won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!

    I was much more interested in MC Hammer grabbing Sophi by the
    ass and lifting her into a victory embrace. Lord jesus probably
    doesnrCOt approve of such behavior, but I do. :-)


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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 22:13:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's likely
    going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after he
    won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the sand
    wearing those flippers. I think the correct move is either walk
    backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-hearted
    attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic things I've seen
    on the show. I think it confirms there is no way he could possibly be
    getting a winner's edit.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 20:18:14 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 7:34 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 30, 2025, shawn wrote
    (in article<1hq7gk5lq418u8hldb2ri03k4gaov51d26@4ax.com>):


    Why do you hate Sage so much? LOL. Imagine Sage being handcuffed to
    Shannon for 24 hours as part of some punishment. Would she chew off
    her hand to get free first?

    Well, any bad blood that may have existed between Sage and Shannon
    when they were in the game together appears to be long gone. There is
    a photo on Instagram of the two of them, and Jawan, with their arms around each other at a watch party smiling for the camera.


    That watch party was held by Shannon's parents. I saw a video clip on X
    but didn't see Jawan and Sage. Most of the time these guys become
    friends after the game.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 20:21:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 7:51 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 30, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10e11jh$4b21$1@dont-email.me>):


    Now that we're down to 11, I think the next episode will start the
    merge. I can't see them doing a jury of seven or a F2.

    If the plan was to merge at 11, why did Uncle J mess with the
    tribes at 12? If he had not interfered, Shannon would have
    likely survived, even if her Blue Tribe had beenforced to go
    to TC.


    Like he said in the episode, they had a challenge for three tribes ready
    to go. At the time, Paramount was really pushing cost savings so they
    could merge/be bought.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 20:30:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 7:59 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:47 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found
    this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I think >>>>> my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight.
    They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like
    such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise
    switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really
    coming
    down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan
    voting
    to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the
    Ulis
    still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah,
    Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard.

    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign the >>> person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb story >>> was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out
    Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power advantage >>>>> and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the >>>>> most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question
    going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find out >>>>> who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope >>>> she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really hard to >>>> believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from
    the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to
    pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.


    The possibility of a medical evaluation triggered a thought for me.-a We often see idols and advantages have expiration dates.-a I believe the advantage we just saw said it could be used through final six.-a We've
    often seen idols good to final five.-a I wonder what would happen if a player has an idol they plan to use at final five, but all of a sudden
    when they are down to five players, there is a medical evacuation and we
    are down to four prematurely.-a Would the idols with five-players-left expirations suddenly expire?

    That would be so unfair if they did expire. How would a player know if
    someone is going to be pulled from the game at F5? Do you think
    production has even considered such a possibility?
    --
    Brian
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 20:36:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 8:08 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 30, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10e126t$4b21$2@dont-email.me>):



    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or the
    shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    Ratso said it when he was plodding down the beach with the
    diverrCOs flippers on his feet. When I realized that he was going
    to be allowed to play to the camera for a while, I fast forwarded
    through it. But I did catch rCLthe devilrCOs shoesrCY line.

    Rizo posted a clip from that scene on X the other day before I knew what
    the episode title was. I tuned out that scene when it aired last night.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after he
    won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!

    I was much more interested in MC Hammer grabbing Sophi by the
    ass and lifting her into a victory embrace. Lord jesus probably
    doesnrCOt approve of such behavior, but I do. :-)

    Damn! I must have been paying too much attention to Savannah because I
    didn't even see that.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 20:42:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I certainly >>> wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's likely
    going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or
    the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after
    he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the sand
    wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either walk
    backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-hearted
    attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic things I've seen
    on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far
    followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell at FTC.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Thu Oct 30 22:53:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 10:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 7:59 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:47 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 16:42:00 -0600, Brian Smith
    <dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On 10/30/2025 12:09 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 12:50 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. I found >>>>>> this episode to be very entertaining. It had some great lines. I
    think
    my favorite was Sophie saying "Screw the other Sophi!"

    There was no question that Shannon would be the one going tonight. >>>>>> They didn't even try to hide it in the edit.


    I wasn't totally sure about that.-a The fact that Shannon seemed like >>>>> such an obvious boot made me think they were going to pull a surprise >>>>> switch and have it be Steven.-a After all, if the season is really
    coming
    down to Uli vs. Hina, there was a certain logic to Sage and Jawan
    voting
    to get rid of another Hina to remain on good terms with the other
    original Ulis after the merge.-a I guess their thinking was that the >>>>> Ulis
    still have an overall edge, and that they could explain to Savannah, >>>>> Rizo and Nate after the merge that Shannon was too much of a wildcard. >>>>
    I thought it was obvious because they gave Shannon so much extra
    footage. Extra footage or a background story seems to be a sure sign
    the
    person is going to get booted that episode. For me, Shannon's womb
    story
    was a dead give away she was going.

    True. There usually are clues as to who is going, but they do
    occasionally mix it up so you can't always be sure who is going.

    As for the Hina vs. Uli angle, they've shown a number of times that
    people are willing to take out their own. Savannah wanting to take out >>>> Jawan is a great example of this.

    Sophi was impressive tonight. Finding the Knowledge is Power
    advantage
    and keeping it a secret from Rizo and Savannah makes her probably the >>>>>> most powerful person in the game going into the merge. The question >>>>>> going forward is will she try to steal Rizo's idol or wait to find >>>>>> out
    who else has one?


    I think the parchment said it could be used through Final 6, so I hope >>>>> she holds onto it and doesn't use it too quickly.-a It is really
    hard to
    believe she would be an early post-merge target.

    I agree. Kristina's days have to be numbered. I have nothing against
    her, but I was kind of hoping that Dr. Berry (sp?) would pull her from >>>> the game, thwarting Jeff's 4x4x4 plans. I also wonder if MC is going to >>>> pay the price for not having a vote at the next TC?


    There's no doubt Kristina isn't going to be there long term, but so
    long as she can make the merge she could last a while so long as she
    doesn't have a medical emergency. After all no one is going to see her
    as a threat.


    The possibility of a medical evaluation triggered a thought for me.
    We often see idols and advantages have expiration dates.-a I believe
    the advantage we just saw said it could be used through final six.
    We've often seen idols good to final five.-a I wonder what would happen
    if a player has an idol they plan to use at final five, but all of a
    sudden when they are down to five players, there is a medical
    evacuation and we are down to four prematurely.-a Would the idols with
    five-players-left expirations suddenly expire?

    That would be so unfair if they did expire. How would a player know if someone is going to be pulled from the game at F5? Do you think
    production has even considered such a possibility?


    No idea. Sometimes I think that after 25 years they have to have worked
    out all possibilities and must have contingencies figured out for
    everything. And then other times it seems they are flying by the seat
    of their pants and are just making things up on the fly.
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 00:46:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I certainly >>>> wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes >>>> of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's likely
    going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense on BB. >>>
    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or
    the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after
    he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the sand
    wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either walk
    backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-hearted
    attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic things I've seen
    on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way he could possibly be
    getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far
    followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah and
    Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50. But we still have half a
    season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can still happen.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 00:10:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I
    certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes >>>>> of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there >>>>> was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's likely
    going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense on
    BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of this
    episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by anyone or
    the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo after
    he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the sand
    wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either walk
    backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-hearted
    attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic things I've
    seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way he could
    possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far
    followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah and
    Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still have half a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn into a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without Savannah's
    guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50. After what
    happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even let Rizo finish
    S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head out
    king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 09:35:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I
    certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes >>>>>> of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though there >>>>>> was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's
    likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense
    on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of
    this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by
    anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo
    after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the sand
    wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either walk
    backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-hearted
    attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic things I've
    seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way he could
    possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far
    followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell at
    FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah and
    Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still have half
    a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn into a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without Savannah's guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50. After what
    happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even let Rizo finish
    S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in the
    edit. That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it. If
    anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to like Riz
    and his personality, and they think he is an interesting and unique TV character.

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it. The show and
    Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate casting, particularly recent season contestants. I do suspect Riz and Savannah become a more
    overt pair at some point, maybe like Kyle and Kamilla, who will also be
    back in S50. Or maybe it's a case of allies who turn on one another at
    some point like a Charlie-Maria or maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina
    where one carries the other to the end only to lose to them. Maybe Riz
    wins F4 fire and elects to take Savannah to the end because he thinks he
    can beat her. Although now that I think of it, Riz is probably more
    likely to sprout wings and start flying than to successfully start a
    fire. We'll have to see what happens.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season.


    Doubt it. Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely one
    and done.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 13:33:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I >>>>>>> certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his tribes >>>>>>> of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though >>>>>>> there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's
    likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense >>>>>> on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of
    this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by
    anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo
    after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the
    sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either
    walk backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-
    hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic
    things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way >>>>> he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far
    followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell at
    FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah and
    Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still have half
    a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn into a
    challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without Savannah's
    guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50. After what
    happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even let Rizo finish
    S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head
    out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in the edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it.-a If anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to like Riz
    and his personality, and they think he is an interesting and unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak. Or did
    they include it to make us think that the conditions are so tough that
    even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo hasn't been
    unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it-all with a ton of
    luck.

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.-a The show and
    Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate casting, particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz and Savannah become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like Kyle and Kamilla, who will also be
    back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a case of allies who turn on one another at some point like a Charlie-Maria or maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina
    where one carries the other to the end only to lose to them.-a Maybe Riz wins F4 fire and elects to take Savannah to the end because he thinks he
    can beat her.-a Although now that I think of it, Riz is probably more
    likely to sprout wings and start flying than to successfully start a
    fire.-a We'll have to see what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40. They
    wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a ton of
    money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married, would they
    still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have. Also, in the first
    all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact that Dr. Will only agreed
    to play if his buddy at the time Mike Boogie was also cast. Boogie was
    not all star material despite going on to win all stars.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I can see us
    finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire. We'll find out
    next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season.


    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely one
    and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New Era. I
    can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an interesting character
    and likable. The unlikable players will come from S41 to S43, except for
    Owen and Cassidy.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 16:14:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 3:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I >>>>>>>> certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his >>>>>>>> tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though >>>>>>>> there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's
    likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie nonsense >>>>>>> on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of >>>>>>> this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by
    anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo
    after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the
    sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either >>>>>> walk backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-
    hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic
    things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no way >>>>>> he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by far >>>>> followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to tell
    at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah
    and Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still have >>>> half a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can still
    happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn into
    a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without Savannah's
    guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50. After what
    happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even let Rizo
    finish S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head
    out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in the
    edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it.-a If
    anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to like
    Riz and his personality, and they think he is an interesting and
    unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak. Or did they include it to make us think that the conditions are so tough that
    even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo hasn't been
    unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it-all with a ton of luck.


    I think the scene is in the same ballpark as Jeff choking up last season
    over the Eva meltdown. I think they just want to show some human
    moments from Jeff, and by "they" I mean Jeff, since I'm sure he reviews
    every episode before the edit is finalized and I have no doubt he has to
    give specific approval for any scene showing any degree of emotion from himself.

    As for Riz, I agree with you he is a cocky know-it-all. I grew up in
    the New York City area and have met and known a lot of Rizzos, and most
    of them were complete jerks. But I think Jeff likes him, for some
    strange reason, and ultimately that's all that matters. And who knows -
    maybe he really will rise to the occasion and have some great moments
    yet this season.

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as
    you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.-a The show
    and Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate casting,
    particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz and Savannah
    become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like Kyle and Kamilla,
    who will also be back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a case of allies who turn
    on one another at some point like a Charlie-Maria or maybe it's even
    like a Colby-Tina where one carries the other to the end only to lose
    to them.-a Maybe Riz wins F4 fire and elects to take Savannah to the
    end because he thinks he can beat her.-a Although now that I think of
    it, Riz is probably more likely to sprout wings and start flying than
    to successfully start a fire.-a We'll have to see what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40. They wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a ton of
    money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married, would they
    still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have. Also, in the first
    all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact that Dr. Will only agreed
    to play if his buddy at the time Mike Boogie was also cast. Boogie was
    not all star material despite going on to win all stars.


    Boston Rob is not Savannah. I agree they pulled some strings to get who
    they wanted on S40, but frankly an All-Winners season would not have
    worked without Boston Rob. So they had to have him, and if that meant dragging Amber along, so be it. She was a previous winner, after all.
    And if she hadn't been cast, who would have been chosen in her place?
    It would have to be a female to keep the numbers even, and the only
    female winners I can think of who weren't included were Tina, Jenna M.
    and Vecepia, and if I recall correctly, neither Vecepia or Jenna were
    even contacted to be in the mix. So realistically, if Amber's inclusion pushed someone out, it would probably be Tina, and I honestly don't
    think we were hurt much by her exclusion.

    S50 is much different from All-Winners, and I don't think anyone would
    have noticed or cared that Savannah didn't make it, even if she wins
    S49. She certainly doesn't have the leverage Boston Rob did with S40.
    More importantly, I don't think Savannah would request Riz be added as a condition of her inclusion in the first place - I'm pretty sure she
    would jump at a chance to come back.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I can see us finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire. We'll find out
    next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season.


    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely
    one and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New Era. I
    can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an interesting character
    and likable. The unlikable players will come from S41 to S43, except for Owen and Cassidy.


    I'm not sure they will do a New Era returning player season for a while, especially with half the cast of S50 being New Era. Unless he has
    changed his mind, I don't think Jeff really likes returning player
    seasons. I think we might have to wait until S60, if the show is even
    still around, and by that point I just don't know if Sophi will be that memorable. Let's see how she does the rest of this season.

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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 15:30:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 2:14 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 3:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo.

    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I >>>>>>>>> certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his >>>>>>>>> tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even though >>>>>>>>> there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's >>>>>>>> likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie
    nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of >>>>>>>> this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by >>>>>>>> anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo >>>>>>>> after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the >>>>>>> sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either >>>>>>> walk backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on. >>>>>>>
    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half-
    hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic
    things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no >>>>>>> way he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by
    far followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to
    tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah
    and Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still
    have half a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can
    still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn into
    a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without
    Savannah's guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50.
    After what happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even
    let Rizo finish S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the
    incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head
    out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in
    the edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it.-a If >>> anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to like
    Riz and his personality, and they think he is an interesting and
    unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak. Or
    did they include it to make us think that the conditions are so tough
    that even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo hasn't
    been unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it-all with a
    ton of luck.

    *know-it-all* lol

    I think the scene is in the same ballpark as Jeff choking up last season over the Eva meltdown.-a I think they just want to show some human
    moments from Jeff, and by "they" I mean Jeff, since I'm sure he reviews every episode before the edit is finalized and I have no doubt he has to give specific approval for any scene showing any degree of emotion from himself.

    If that's the case then why did they wait 48 seasons to start showing us
    such moments? The Eva incident was pretty emotional. A lot of people
    were caught up in that moment. The heat incident is very different as
    far as I'm concerned. Maybe Jeff's age is showing?

    As for Riz, I agree with you he is a cocky know-it-all.-a I grew up in
    the New York City area and have met and known a lot of Rizzos, and most
    of them were complete jerks.-a But I think Jeff likes him, for some
    strange reason, and ultimately that's all that matters.-a And who knows - maybe he really will rise to the occasion and have some great moments
    yet this season.

    Do you think Jeff possibly sees Rizo as a New Era Boston Rob?

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as
    you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.-a The
    show and Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate casting,
    particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz and
    Savannah become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like Kyle and
    Kamilla, who will also be back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a case of
    allies who turn on one another at some point like a Charlie-Maria or
    maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina where one carries the other to the
    end only to lose to them.-a Maybe Riz wins F4 fire and elects to take
    Savannah to the end because he thinks he can beat her.-a Although now
    that I think of it, Riz is probably more likely to sprout wings and
    start flying than to successfully start a fire.-a We'll have to see
    what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40. They
    wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a ton of
    money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married, would they
    still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have. Also, in the
    first all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact that Dr. Will
    only agreed to play if his buddy at the time Mike Boogie was also
    cast. Boogie was not all star material despite going on to win all stars.


    Boston Rob is not Savannah.-a I agree they pulled some strings to get who they wanted on S40, but frankly an All-Winners season would not have
    worked without Boston Rob.-a So they had to have him, and if that meant dragging Amber along, so be it.-a She was a previous winner, after all.
    And if she hadn't been cast, who would have been chosen in her place? It would have to be a female to keep the numbers even, and the only female winners I can think of who weren't included were Tina, Jenna M. and
    Vecepia, and if I recall correctly, neither Vecepia or Jenna were even contacted to be in the mix.-a So realistically, if Amber's inclusion
    pushed someone out, it would probably be Tina, and I honestly don't
    think we were hurt much by her exclusion.

    Yes, Boston Rob has way more power than Savannah. But we don't know just
    how impressive Savannah was in S49. She could kill it at the end and win 8rCo0rCo0 with the best FTC performance we ever see.

    As for Amber, she wasn't very impressive in Winners at War. I doubt Tina
    would have done any worse. Tina was likely cut because she had played
    with her daughter Katie not all that many seasons before S40. In
    hindsight, she would have been way better than Danni who was a total flop.

    S50 is much different from All-Winners, and I don't think anyone would
    have noticed or cared that Savannah didn't make it, even if she wins
    S49.-a She certainly doesn't have the leverage Boston Rob did with S40.
    More importantly, I don't think Savannah would request Riz be added as a condition of her inclusion in the first place - I'm pretty sure she
    would jump at a chance to come back.

    When they first started talking about S50 I think most people expected
    S49 not to be in the mix. S50 has so many strange casting decisions that
    I'm not going to discount anything.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the
    merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I can
    see us finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire. We'll
    find out next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season.


    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely
    one and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New Era. I
    can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an interesting
    character and likable. The unlikable players will come from S41 to
    S43, except for Owen and Cassidy.


    I'm not sure they will do a New Era returning player season for a while, especially with half the cast of S50 being New Era.-a Unless he has
    changed his mind, I don't think Jeff really likes returning player seasons.-a I think we might have to wait until S60, if the show is even still around, and by that point I just don't know if Sophi will be that memorable.-a Let's see how she does the rest of this season.
    I would think that Jeff loves returning player seasons. There's a lot
    less work involved.
    --
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 18:19:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 5:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:14 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 3:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. >>>>>>>>>>
    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I >>>>>>>>>> certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his >>>>>>>>>> tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even
    though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's >>>>>>>>> likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie
    nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title of >>>>>>>>> this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said by >>>>>>>>> anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode.

    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo >>>>>>>>> after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the >>>>>>>> sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is either >>>>>>>> walk backward or wait till you get into the water to put them on. >>>>>>>>
    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half- >>>>>>>> hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic >>>>>>>> things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no >>>>>>>> way he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by >>>>>>> far followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to >>>>>>> tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah >>>>>> and Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still
    have half a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can
    still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn
    into a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without
    Savannah's guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50.
    After what happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even
    let Rizo finish S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the
    incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we head >>>>> out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in
    the edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it.
    If anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to
    like Riz and his personality, and they think he is an interesting
    and unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak. Or
    did they include it to make us think that the conditions are so tough
    that even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo hasn't
    been unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it-all with
    a ton of luck.

    *know-it-all* lol

    I think the scene is in the same ballpark as Jeff choking up last
    season over the Eva meltdown.-a I think they just want to show some
    human moments from Jeff, and by "they" I mean Jeff, since I'm sure he
    reviews every episode before the edit is finalized and I have no doubt
    he has to give specific approval for any scene showing any degree of
    emotion from himself.

    If that's the case then why did they wait 48 seasons to start showing us such moments? The Eva incident was pretty emotional. A lot of people
    were caught up in that moment. The heat incident is very different as
    far as I'm concerned. Maybe Jeff's age is showing?

    Basically, yes. As he's gotten older and the world has changed, I think
    Jeff has changed too. I think he has gotten much more into "feelings"
    and the emotions players go through than I can ever remember, and I
    think that extends to revealing much more of himself. Even in TC, I
    think he has a much softer edge and is much less confrontational than he
    was when he was younger.



    As for Riz, I agree with you he is a cocky know-it-all.-a I grew up in
    the New York City area and have met and known a lot of Rizzos, and
    most of them were complete jerks.-a But I think Jeff likes him, for
    some strange reason, and ultimately that's all that matters.-a And who
    knows - maybe he really will rise to the occasion and have some great
    moments yet this season.

    Do you think Jeff possibly sees Rizo as a New Era Boston Rob?


    No, not even close. I think he may see him as a bit of a young
    Tyson-like wise guy with a New York attitude and a big smile, but I
    think it really comes down to - he just likes him. For whatever reason,
    I think Jeff sees him as good TV, and that's all he cares about.

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as
    you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.-a The
    show and Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate casting,
    particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz and
    Savannah become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like Kyle and
    Kamilla, who will also be back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a case of
    allies who turn on one another at some point like a Charlie-Maria or
    maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina where one carries the other to the
    end only to lose to them.-a Maybe Riz wins F4 fire and elects to take >>>> Savannah to the end because he thinks he can beat her.-a Although now >>>> that I think of it, Riz is probably more likely to sprout wings and
    start flying than to successfully start a fire.-a We'll have to see
    what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40.
    They wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a
    ton of money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married,
    would they still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have.
    Also, in the first all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact
    that Dr. Will only agreed to play if his buddy at the time Mike
    Boogie was also cast. Boogie was not all star material despite going
    on to win all stars.


    Boston Rob is not Savannah.-a I agree they pulled some strings to get
    who they wanted on S40, but frankly an All-Winners season would not
    have worked without Boston Rob.-a So they had to have him, and if that
    meant dragging Amber along, so be it.-a She was a previous winner,
    after all. And if she hadn't been cast, who would have been chosen in
    her place? It would have to be a female to keep the numbers even, and
    the only female winners I can think of who weren't included were Tina,
    Jenna M. and Vecepia, and if I recall correctly, neither Vecepia or
    Jenna were even contacted to be in the mix.-a So realistically, if
    Amber's inclusion pushed someone out, it would probably be Tina, and I
    honestly don't think we were hurt much by her exclusion.

    Yes, Boston Rob has way more power than Savannah. But we don't know just
    how impressive Savannah was in S49. She could kill it at the end and win 8rCo0rCo0 with the best FTC performance we ever see.

    As for Amber, she wasn't very impressive in Winners at War. I doubt Tina would have done any worse. Tina was likely cut because she had played
    with her daughter Katie not all that many seasons before S40. In
    hindsight, she would have been way better than Danni who was a total flop.


    No, I think you were right the first time. Tina was likely cut to make
    room for Amber. But the way S40 went, I don't think Tina would have
    done much better. And yeah, Danni was a bust. She wasn't that great on
    her original season either, and she basically won because everyone
    disliked Stefanie.

    S50 is much different from All-Winners, and I don't think anyone would
    have noticed or cared that Savannah didn't make it, even if she wins
    S49.-a She certainly doesn't have the leverage Boston Rob did with S40.
    More importantly, I don't think Savannah would request Riz be added as
    a condition of her inclusion in the first place - I'm pretty sure she
    would jump at a chance to come back.

    When they first started talking about S50 I think most people expected
    S49 not to be in the mix. S50 has so many strange casting decisions that
    I'm not going to discount anything.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the
    merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I can
    see us finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire. We'll
    find out next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season. >>>>>

    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely
    one and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New Era.
    I can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an interesting
    character and likable. The unlikable players will come from S41 to
    S43, except for Owen and Cassidy.


    I'm not sure they will do a New Era returning player season for a
    while, especially with half the cast of S50 being New Era.-a Unless he
    has changed his mind, I don't think Jeff really likes returning player
    seasons.-a I think we might have to wait until S60, if the show is even
    still around, and by that point I just don't know if Sophi will be
    that memorable.-a Let's see how she does the rest of this season.
    I would think that Jeff loves returning player seasons. There's a lot
    less work involved.


    If that's the case, he would have done some between S40 and S50. No, I
    think he has even said since the New Era began that he wants to get away
    from returning player seasons. As he's gotten older, I think he really
    loves having new players and watching them ooh and ahh over being on the
    show. You can see it in how he talks with them and how he does the TCs.
    I've seen a definite change in the last several seasons as he seems to
    be embracing this new Uncle Jeff persona.
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  • From Brian Smith@dcg_brian@hotmail.com to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 18:21:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 4:19 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 5:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:14 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 3:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but I >>>>>>>>>>> certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves his >>>>>>>>>>> tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even >>>>>>>>>>> though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's >>>>>>>>>> likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie
    nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title >>>>>>>>>> of this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being said >>>>>>>>>> by anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode. >>>>>>>>>>
    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling Rizzo >>>>>>>>>> after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me!


    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in the >>>>>>>>> sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is
    either walk backward or wait till you get into the water to put >>>>>>>>> them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half- >>>>>>>>> hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic >>>>>>>>> things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no >>>>>>>>> way he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by >>>>>>>> far followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story to >>>>>>>> tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think Savannah >>>>>>> and Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But we still >>>>>>> have half a season and the full post merge, so I guess a lot can >>>>>>> still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn
    into a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without
    Savannah's guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for S50. >>>>>> After what happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff even >>>>>> let Rizo finish S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of the
    incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we
    head out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in
    the edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it.
    If anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to
    like Riz and his personality, and they think he is an interesting
    and unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak. Or
    did they include it to make us think that the conditions are so
    tough that even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo
    hasn't been unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it-
    all with a ton of luck.

    *know-it-all* lol

    I think the scene is in the same ballpark as Jeff choking up last
    season over the Eva meltdown.-a I think they just want to show some
    human moments from Jeff, and by "they" I mean Jeff, since I'm sure he
    reviews every episode before the edit is finalized and I have no
    doubt he has to give specific approval for any scene showing any
    degree of emotion from himself.

    If that's the case then why did they wait 48 seasons to start showing
    us such moments? The Eva incident was pretty emotional. A lot of
    people were caught up in that moment. The heat incident is very
    different as far as I'm concerned. Maybe Jeff's age is showing?

    Basically, yes.-a As he's gotten older and the world has changed, I think Jeff has changed too.-a I think he has gotten much more into "feelings"
    and the emotions players go through than I can ever remember, and I
    think that extends to revealing much more of himself.-a Even in TC, I
    think he has a much softer edge and is much less confrontational than he
    was when he was younger.

    So true! In the old days Jeff never would have allowed someone to take
    his seat like he did with Rome, for example. I think they also realize
    that we know so much more about the show/game that it's better to be
    more honest with us. In the old days, they would never show players
    wearing bandages. Now, we see medical being called in quite frequently.
    I'd say the social and emotional aspects of the game are being
    emphasized a lot more than in the past to make up for the absence of the fakeness of the past.

    As for Riz, I agree with you he is a cocky know-it-all.-a I grew up in
    the New York City area and have met and known a lot of Rizzos, and
    most of them were complete jerks.-a But I think Jeff likes him, for
    some strange reason, and ultimately that's all that matters.-a And who
    knows - maybe he really will rise to the occasion and have some great
    moments yet this season.

    Do you think Jeff possibly sees Rizo as a New Era Boston Rob?


    No, not even close.-a I think he may see him as a bit of a young Tyson-
    like wise guy with a New York attitude and a big smile, but I think it really comes down to - he just likes him.-a For whatever reason, I think Jeff sees him as good TV, and that's all he cares about.

    I see the Tyson comparison. He was a smartass as well,

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because, as >>>>> you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.-a The
    show and Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate
    casting, particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz >>>>> and Savannah become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like
    Kyle and Kamilla, who will also be back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a
    case of allies who turn on one another at some point like a
    Charlie-Maria or maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina where one
    carries the other to the end only to lose to them.-a Maybe Riz wins >>>>> F4 fire and elects to take Savannah to the end because he thinks he >>>>> can beat her.-a Although now that I think of it, Riz is probably
    more likely to sprout wings and start flying than to successfully
    start a fire.-a We'll have to see what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40.
    They wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a
    ton of money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married,
    would they still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have.
    Also, in the first all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact
    that Dr. Will only agreed to play if his buddy at the time Mike
    Boogie was also cast. Boogie was not all star material despite going
    on to win all stars.


    Boston Rob is not Savannah.-a I agree they pulled some strings to get
    who they wanted on S40, but frankly an All-Winners season would not
    have worked without Boston Rob.-a So they had to have him, and if that
    meant dragging Amber along, so be it.-a She was a previous winner,
    after all. And if she hadn't been cast, who would have been chosen in
    her place? It would have to be a female to keep the numbers even, and
    the only female winners I can think of who weren't included were
    Tina, Jenna M. and Vecepia, and if I recall correctly, neither
    Vecepia or Jenna were even contacted to be in the mix.-a So
    realistically, if Amber's inclusion pushed someone out, it would
    probably be Tina, and I honestly don't think we were hurt much by her
    exclusion.

    Yes, Boston Rob has way more power than Savannah. But we don't know
    just how impressive Savannah was in S49. She could kill it at the end
    and win 8rCo0rCo0 with the best FTC performance we ever see.

    As for Amber, she wasn't very impressive in Winners at War. I doubt
    Tina would have done any worse. Tina was likely cut because she had
    played with her daughter Katie not all that many seasons before S40.
    In hindsight, she would have been way better than Danni who was a
    total flop.


    No, I think you were right the first time.-a Tina was likely cut to make room for Amber.-a But the way S40 went, I don't think Tina would have
    done much better.-a And yeah, Danni was a bust.-a She wasn't that great on her original season either, and she basically won because everyone
    disliked Stefanie.

    My understanding is that Jeff and his people didn't want to do an
    winners season because they didn't think they could Rob and Amber, and
    Parv. Then a year later or so CBS pushed the idea and they got Rob and
    Amber. My read is that the season wouldn't have happened without them.
    Tina was cut for someone else? Sophie?

    S50 is much different from All-Winners, and I don't think anyone
    would have noticed or cared that Savannah didn't make it, even if she
    wins S49.-a She certainly doesn't have the leverage Boston Rob did
    with S40. More importantly, I don't think Savannah would request Riz
    be added as a condition of her inclusion in the first place - I'm
    pretty sure she would jump at a chance to come back.

    When they first started talking about S50 I think most people expected
    S49 not to be in the mix. S50 has so many strange casting decisions
    that I'm not going to discount anything.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the
    merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I can
    see us finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire. We'll
    find out next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo season. >>>>>>

    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is likely >>>>> one and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New Era.
    I can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an interesting
    character and likable. The unlikable players will come from S41 to
    S43, except for Owen and Cassidy.


    I'm not sure they will do a New Era returning player season for a
    while, especially with half the cast of S50 being New Era.-a Unless he
    has changed his mind, I don't think Jeff really likes returning
    player seasons.-a I think we might have to wait until S60, if the show
    is even still around, and by that point I just don't know if Sophi
    will be that memorable.-a Let's see how she does the rest of this season. >> I would think that Jeff loves returning player seasons. There's a lot
    less work involved.


    If that's the case, he would have done some between S40 and S50.-a No, I think he has even said since the New Era began that he wants to get away from returning player seasons.-a As he's gotten older, I think he really loves having new players and watching them ooh and ahh over being on the show.-a You can see it in how he talks with them and how he does the TCs.
    -aI've seen a definite change in the last several seasons as he seems to
    be embracing this new Uncle Jeff persona.
    S41 to S44 had a lot of unlikable players that I don't care to see
    again. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff feels the same way. S45 onward
    have had much better casts. We'll see some of them in S50 but there are
    plenty we won't. I'm still surprised they only asked back Gen from S47.
    For me, casting Sam instead of Jonathan would have made more sense and
    been more popular with fans.
    --
    Brian
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  • From Rick@Rick@nospam.net to alt.tv.survivor on Fri Oct 31 21:08:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.tv.survivor

    On 10/31/2025 8:21 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 4:19 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 5:30 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:14 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 3:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 7:35 AM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/31/2025 2:10 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:46 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 10:42 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 8:13 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 9:08 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
    On 10/30/2025 6:42 PM, Zeppo wrote:
    On Oct 29, 2025, Brian Smith wrote
    (in article <10duqra$3esom$1@dont-email.me>):

    Tonight's episode is titled "The DevilrCOs Shoes."

    The beginning of the episode might be traumatic for Zeppo. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Heh! I knew that the tribes wouldnrCOt be merging in E06, but >>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly
    wasnrCOt expecting another shuffle. But Uncle J. just loves >>>>>>>>>>>> his tribes
    of four, and could not resist messing with the game even >>>>>>>>>>>> though there
    was no reason to do so.


    It makes no sense that they did another tribe shuffle if it's >>>>>>>>>>> likely going to be just a one-episode thing.

    The Uncle J. crap needs to stop as does the Auntie Julie >>>>>>>>>>> nonsense on BB.

    Did the Paramount press people screw up concerning the title >>>>>>>>>>> of this episode? I don't recall "the Devil's shoes" being >>>>>>>>>>> said by anyone or the shoes even playing a role in the episode. >>>>>>>>>>>
    What did you think of Savannah jumping up and straddling >>>>>>>>>>> Rizzo after he won the RC for them? He looked shocked to me! >>>>>>>>>>>

    I think Rizzo said it when he was trying to walk forward in >>>>>>>>>> the sand wearing those flippers.-a I think the correct move is >>>>>>>>>> either walk backward or wait till you get into the water to >>>>>>>>>> put them on.

    By the way, the way Riz-boy basically gave up after his half- >>>>>>>>>> hearted attempt at spear fishing was one of the most pathetic >>>>>>>>>> things I've seen on the show.-a I think it confirms there is no >>>>>>>>>> way he could possibly be getting a winner's edit.

    I agree. As of right now, I'd say Savannah has the best edit by >>>>>>>>> far followed by Sophi. Sophi would have a good underdog story >>>>>>>>> to tell at FTC.


    You're right - based on the edit so far, you would think
    Savannah and Sophi would be the ones brought back for S50.-a But >>>>>>>> we still have half a season and the full post merge, so I guess >>>>>>>> a lot can still happen.

    Yes, a lot can still happen. But will Rizo all of a sudden turn >>>>>>> into a challenge beast and make big strategic decisions without >>>>>>> Savannah's guidance? I still think Rizo was Savannah's +1 for
    S50. After what happened at the end of the IC, I'm surprised Jeff >>>>>>> even let Rizo finish S49. Here's a tweet from Rizo with a clip of >>>>>>> the incident.

    I had to tell Jeff to lock in. You still on the clock until we
    head out king. #Survivor49 #Survivor

    https://x.com/RizGod__/status/1983742382211490254


    The most interesting thing about that clip is that they left it in >>>>>> the edit.-a That shows Jeff couldn't have been too bothered by it. >>>>>> If anything, it means that for whatever reason, the show seems to >>>>>> like Riz and his personality, and they think he is an interesting >>>>>> and unique TV character.

    I might have to go listen to his podcast and/or read some episode
    interviews to see what Jeff says. That scene made Jeff look weak.
    Or did they include it to make us think that the conditions are so
    tough that even the pampered host is impacted by them? So far, Rizo >>>>> hasn't been unique and interesting. He's come off as a cocky no-it- >>>>> all with a ton of luck.

    *know-it-all* lol

    I think the scene is in the same ballpark as Jeff choking up last
    season over the Eva meltdown.-a I think they just want to show some
    human moments from Jeff, and by "they" I mean Jeff, since I'm sure
    he reviews every episode before the edit is finalized and I have no
    doubt he has to give specific approval for any scene showing any
    degree of emotion from himself.

    If that's the case then why did they wait 48 seasons to start showing
    us such moments? The Eva incident was pretty emotional. A lot of
    people were caught up in that moment. The heat incident is very
    different as far as I'm concerned. Maybe Jeff's age is showing?

    Basically, yes.-a As he's gotten older and the world has changed, I
    think Jeff has changed too.-a I think he has gotten much more into
    "feelings" and the emotions players go through than I can ever
    remember, and I think that extends to revealing much more of himself.
    Even in TC, I think he has a much softer edge and is much less
    confrontational than he was when he was younger.

    So true! In the old days Jeff never would have allowed someone to take
    his seat like he did with Rome, for example. I think they also realize
    that we know so much more about the show/game that it's better to be
    more honest with us. In the old days, they would never show players
    wearing bandages. Now, we see medical being called in quite frequently.
    I'd say the social and emotional aspects of the game are being
    emphasized a lot more than in the past to make up for the absence of the fakeness of the past.

    As for Riz, I agree with you he is a cocky know-it-all.-a I grew up
    in the New York City area and have met and known a lot of Rizzos,
    and most of them were complete jerks.-a But I think Jeff likes him,
    for some strange reason, and ultimately that's all that matters.
    And who knows - maybe he really will rise to the occasion and have
    some great moments yet this season.

    Do you think Jeff possibly sees Rizo as a New Era Boston Rob?


    No, not even close.-a I think he may see him as a bit of a young Tyson-
    like wise guy with a New York attitude and a big smile, but I think it
    really comes down to - he just likes him.-a For whatever reason, I
    think Jeff sees him as good TV, and that's all he cares about.

    I see the Tyson comparison. He was a smartass as well,

    As for why he is being brought back, I don't think it's because,
    as you suggested earlier, Savannah either asked or demanded it.
    The show and Jeff are not going to allow contestants to dictate
    casting, particularly recent season contestants.-a I do suspect Riz >>>>>> and Savannah become a more overt pair at some point, maybe like
    Kyle and Kamilla, who will also be back in S50.-a Or maybe it's a >>>>>> case of allies who turn on one another at some point like a
    Charlie-Maria or maybe it's even like a Colby-Tina where one
    carries the other to the end only to lose to them.-a Maybe Riz wins >>>>>> F4 fire and elects to take Savannah to the end because he thinks
    he can beat her.-a Although now that I think of it, Riz is probably >>>>>> more likely to sprout wings and start flying than to successfully >>>>>> start a fire.-a We'll have to see what happens.

    I'm pretty sure Boston Rob and Amber were a package deal for S40.
    They wanted Boston Rob bad which is why they gave him and Sandra a
    ton of money to dish out advice in S39. If they weren't married,
    would they still have cast Amber? I don't think they would have.
    Also, in the first all stars season of BB, it's a well-known fact
    that Dr. Will only agreed to play if his buddy at the time Mike
    Boogie was also cast. Boogie was not all star material despite
    going on to win all stars.


    Boston Rob is not Savannah.-a I agree they pulled some strings to get >>>> who they wanted on S40, but frankly an All-Winners season would not
    have worked without Boston Rob.-a So they had to have him, and if
    that meant dragging Amber along, so be it.-a She was a previous
    winner, after all. And if she hadn't been cast, who would have been
    chosen in her place? It would have to be a female to keep the
    numbers even, and the only female winners I can think of who weren't
    included were Tina, Jenna M. and Vecepia, and if I recall correctly,
    neither Vecepia or Jenna were even contacted to be in the mix.-a So
    realistically, if Amber's inclusion pushed someone out, it would
    probably be Tina, and I honestly don't think we were hurt much by
    her exclusion.

    Yes, Boston Rob has way more power than Savannah. But we don't know
    just how impressive Savannah was in S49. She could kill it at the end
    and win 8rCo0rCo0 with the best FTC performance we ever see.

    As for Amber, she wasn't very impressive in Winners at War. I doubt
    Tina would have done any worse. Tina was likely cut because she had
    played with her daughter Katie not all that many seasons before S40.
    In hindsight, she would have been way better than Danni who was a
    total flop.


    No, I think you were right the first time.-a Tina was likely cut to
    make room for Amber.-a But the way S40 went, I don't think Tina would
    have done much better.-a And yeah, Danni was a bust.-a She wasn't that
    great on her original season either, and she basically won because
    everyone disliked Stefanie.

    My understanding is that Jeff and his people didn't want to do an
    winners season because they didn't think they could Rob and Amber, and
    Parv. Then a year later or so CBS pushed the idea and they got Rob and Amber. My read is that the season wouldn't have happened without them.
    Tina was cut for someone else? Sophie?


    Sophie is another example of someone who backed into a win because she
    was up against an unlikable player. Danni got lucky going against the unpopular Stephenie in her season, whereas Sophie drew the somewhat
    equally disliked Coach. Ironically, Steph and Coach were both returning players in a mostly new player season. Of the two, I much preferred
    Danni in her original season. I thought she actually played a pretty
    good game and I love the fact that with her sports reporting background,
    she instantly recognized former backup NFL QB Gary Hogeboom. For some
    reason, that has always impressed me. A lot of people thought Rafe
    should have won that season, but I was perfectly okay with Danni's win.
    She did a better job in the final speech than Steph, who couldn't shake
    the perception she was a manipulating back-stabber.

    In contrast, Sophie always seemed a bit over her head in her season and totally intimidated by the men on her tribe, notably Coach but also
    Brandon Hantz and others. Ozzy was the other returning player that
    season, and it is probably forgotten that Cochran also made his first appearance that season. Sophie was a deer caught in the headlights much
    of the time, and I think her win was one of the more surprising I can remember. She won frankly because she just seemed more genuine than
    either Coach or the zero-vote third place finisher Albert.


    S50 is much different from All-Winners, and I don't think anyone
    would have noticed or cared that Savannah didn't make it, even if
    she wins S49.-a She certainly doesn't have the leverage Boston Rob
    did with S40. More importantly, I don't think Savannah would request
    Riz be added as a condition of her inclusion in the first place -
    I'm pretty sure she would jump at a chance to come back.

    When they first started talking about S50 I think most people
    expected S49 not to be in the mix. S50 has so many strange casting
    decisions that I'm not going to discount anything.

    As for Rizo, maybe he'll make some crazy impressive moves once the
    merge starts. I just don't see it. If he's part of fire at F4, I
    can see us finding out that he doesn't know how to start a fire.
    We'll find out next spring why he was cast.

    Maybe they'll bring Sophi back for Jake when he gets his redo
    season.


    Doubt it.-a Unless Sophi herself gets injured, I think she is
    likely one and done.
    At some point they'll do a returning players season for the New
    Era. I can see Sophi being asked to play again. She's an
    interesting character and likable. The unlikable players will come
    from S41 to S43, except for Owen and Cassidy.


    I'm not sure they will do a New Era returning player season for a
    while, especially with half the cast of S50 being New Era.-a Unless
    he has changed his mind, I don't think Jeff really likes returning
    player seasons.-a I think we might have to wait until S60, if the
    show is even still around, and by that point I just don't know if
    Sophi will be that memorable.-a Let's see how she does the rest of
    this season.
    I would think that Jeff loves returning player seasons. There's a lot
    less work involved.


    If that's the case, he would have done some between S40 and S50.-a No,
    I think he has even said since the New Era began that he wants to get
    away from returning player seasons.-a As he's gotten older, I think he
    really loves having new players and watching them ooh and ahh over
    being on the show.-a You can see it in how he talks with them and how
    he does the TCs. -a-aI've seen a definite change in the last several
    seasons as he seems to be embracing this new Uncle Jeff persona.
    S41 to S44 had a lot of unlikable players that I don't care to see
    again. I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff feels the same way. S45 onward
    have had much better casts. We'll see some of them in S50 but there are plenty we won't. I'm still surprised they only asked back Gen from S47.
    For me, casting Sam instead of Jonathan would have made more sense and
    been more popular with fans.

    I think Jonathan was chosen because he was such a unique physical player
    - one of the best challenge participants ever - and they also probably
    wanted someone from the early 40s seasons. I think he is the only one
    chosen from 41-44.
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