On 10/23/2025 11:59 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:40 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:18 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/23/2025 7:07 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 8:43 PM, shawn wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 14:48:31 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/23/2025 12:32 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 17:35:19 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tonight's episode is titled "IrCOm a Wolf, Baby." No idea who >>>>>>>>> would say
something like that. Rizo? Based on the previews, it looks like >>>>>>>>> Jawan is
on Savannah's shit list and deservedly so. Also, Shannon
appears to be
playing sloppily.
Yeah, I don't see Shannon or Sage making it to the end. As to >>>>>>>> who said
that we now know it's Sage. Not that I agree with her but hey, she >>>>>>>> gets to call herself what ever she wants.
I thought Sage had her best episode so far. When she talked to the >>>>>>> others in the tribe about Shannon, she sounded like she knew what >>>>>>> was
going on as far as I'm concerned. If they had lost the challenge I >>>>>>> wonder if Shannon would have been booted out. She was sketchy as >>>>>>> hell in
this episode, but I think she's a better asset than Sage.
I agree Sage seemed aware of what was going on. I just don't know >>>>>> that
she's building enough connections to keep her safe.
I agree. Sage made some excellent points about Shannon, but it's
clear the two of them are on the bottom of the pecking order for
the new Kele blue tribe.-a Sage was also at he bottom (with Jawan)
of the original Uli/Red tribe.-a While she brings a certain degree
of entertainment value to the show, I kind of think her talk about
body functions and things like storing blackheads is a real turnoff >>>>> to a lot of people.
Sage would be pure gold on BB and probably a fan favorite.
I just don't think she's smart enough for BB.-a Yes, she correctly
read Shannon, but I also think Shannon was correct in saying Sage
doesn't really play strategically.-a She seems overly open and even
naive about a lot of things, and I don't think she has much self-
awareness.-a I could be wrong, but I think she'd be eaten alive on BB.
She very well might suck at BB, but her weirdness would appeal to a
lot of live feeders.
Yeah, I can just imagine people watching her for hours picking off her blackheads or doing other gross things.-a I wonder what's the grossest
thing BB has ever shown in the feeds?
On 10/24/2025 7:47 AM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 11:59 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:40 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:18 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/23/2025 7:07 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 8:43 PM, shawn wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 14:48:31 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/23/2025 12:32 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 17:35:19 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tonight's episode is titled "IrCOm a Wolf, Baby." No idea who >>>>>>>>>> would say
something like that. Rizo? Based on the previews, it looks >>>>>>>>>> like Jawan is
on Savannah's shit list and deservedly so. Also, Shannon
appears to be
playing sloppily.
Yeah, I don't see Shannon or Sage making it to the end. As to >>>>>>>>> who said
that we now know it's Sage. Not that I agree with her but hey, she >>>>>>>>> gets to call herself what ever she wants.
I thought Sage had her best episode so far. When she talked to the >>>>>>>> others in the tribe about Shannon, she sounded like she knew
what was
going on as far as I'm concerned. If they had lost the challenge I >>>>>>>> wonder if Shannon would have been booted out. She was sketchy as >>>>>>>> hell in
this episode, but I think she's a better asset than Sage.
I agree Sage seemed aware of what was going on. I just don't know >>>>>>> that
she's building enough connections to keep her safe.
I agree. Sage made some excellent points about Shannon, but it's
clear the two of them are on the bottom of the pecking order for
the new Kele blue tribe.-a Sage was also at he bottom (with Jawan) >>>>>> of the original Uli/Red tribe.-a While she brings a certain degree >>>>>> of entertainment value to the show, I kind of think her talk about >>>>>> body functions and things like storing blackheads is a real
turnoff to a lot of people.
Sage would be pure gold on BB and probably a fan favorite.
I just don't think she's smart enough for BB.-a Yes, she correctly
read Shannon, but I also think Shannon was correct in saying Sage
doesn't really play strategically.-a She seems overly open and even
naive about a lot of things, and I don't think she has much self-
awareness.-a I could be wrong, but I think she'd be eaten alive on BB.
She very well might suck at BB, but her weirdness would appeal to a
lot of live feeders.
Yeah, I can just imagine people watching her for hours picking off her
blackheads or doing other gross things.-a I wonder what's the grossest
thing BB has ever shown in the feeds?
Picking off blackheads and popping zits happens all the time on the
feeds. The grossest thing shown on the feeds probably depends on what
you consider to be gross. BB25 had Cirie's son Jared cheating on his girlfriend. One night they were fooling around in the area across from
the HOH room and left a mess. We're talking bodily fluids. Some of the others saw it after. Production asked them to clean it up which is kind
of crazy. I thought it was gross doing sexual stuff in a public area of
the house where people often meet to talk game, etc.
The ants getting into the food and all over the house can also be gross. Seeing someone open a box of cereal and having ants crawl out of it is something I'll never get use to.
We didn't see this directly, but heard all about it in gross detail. Two
or three seasons ago someone shit all over the toilet seat. Why is
beyond me.
I thought it was mentioned years and years ago on the show that you
don't cut a chicken's head off to kill it for various reasons.
I'm
hardly an expert on this, but I think the idea is to stun the animal
first and then twist its neck to kill it.
As I said in another post, I
have to believe the show must have given them some instruction on this, because I can't imagine typical suburban and urban contestants knowing
what to do.
Also, wouldn't Fiji have its own animal cruelty laws that would come
into play here?
On Oct 23, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10derap$dm8j$3@dont-email.me>):
I thought it was mentioned years and years ago on the show that you
don't cut a chicken's head off to kill it for various reasons.
Decapitation is a common method used to kill chickens on
farms. However, for the uninitiated, it can be distressing to
witness such an event as there is a certain amount of
bleeding and the body sometimes writhes around after the
head has been removed.
I'm
hardly an expert on this, but I think the idea is to stun the animal
first and then twist its neck to kill it.
Stunning is not actually necessary if the person knows what
he/she is doing. The idea is to break the animals neck in one
quick movement. From what we were shown in E04, Steven
and Alex appeared to be strangling the bird.
As I said in another post, I
have to believe the show must have given them some instruction on this,
because I can't imagine typical suburban and urban contestants knowing
what to do.
Certainly back in Mark BurnettrCOs day such interference was prohibited,
and it is my understanding that camera operators are still forbidden
to even speak to players. But perhaps on-site producers nowadays
are able to intervene in certain situations. But, as Brian said elsewhere
In this thread, if Steven and Alex received instructions in how to kill
the rooster in the most humane way, they sure did a crappy job of
following through.
Also, wouldn't Fiji have its own animal cruelty laws that would come
into play here?
Well, S34 was shot in Fiji (although not at the same location that
has been used repeatedly in the rCLnew erarCY), and one of the tribes
killed and consumed a wild goat. The same tribe also captured
and tied up a mother and baby goat. So, I canrCOt see the government
caring too much about slaughtering and eating some farm raised
poultry.
On 10/24/2025 6:33 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/24/2025 7:47 AM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 11:59 PM, Brian Smith wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:40 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 9:18 PM, Brian Smith wrote:She very well might suck at BB, but her weirdness would appeal to a
On 10/23/2025 7:07 PM, Rick wrote:
On 10/23/2025 8:43 PM, shawn wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2025 14:48:31 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/23/2025 12:32 PM, shawn wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 17:35:19 -0600, Brian Smith
<dcg_brian@hotmail.com> wrote:
Tonight's episode is titled "IrCOm a Wolf, Baby." No idea who >>>>>>>>>>> would say
something like that. Rizo? Based on the previews, it looks >>>>>>>>>>> like Jawan is
on Savannah's shit list and deservedly so. Also, Shannon >>>>>>>>>>> appears to be
playing sloppily.
Yeah, I don't see Shannon or Sage making it to the end. As to >>>>>>>>>> who said
that we now know it's Sage. Not that I agree with her but hey, >>>>>>>>>> she
gets to call herself what ever she wants.
I thought Sage had her best episode so far. When she talked to the >>>>>>>>> others in the tribe about Shannon, she sounded like she knew >>>>>>>>> what was
going on as far as I'm concerned. If they had lost the challenge I >>>>>>>>> wonder if Shannon would have been booted out. She was sketchy >>>>>>>>> as hell in
this episode, but I think she's a better asset than Sage.
I agree Sage seemed aware of what was going on. I just don't
know that
she's building enough connections to keep her safe.
I agree. Sage made some excellent points about Shannon, but it's >>>>>>> clear the two of them are on the bottom of the pecking order for >>>>>>> the new Kele blue tribe.-a Sage was also at he bottom (with Jawan) >>>>>>> of the original Uli/Red tribe.-a While she brings a certain degree >>>>>>> of entertainment value to the show, I kind of think her talk
about body functions and things like storing blackheads is a real >>>>>>> turnoff to a lot of people.
Sage would be pure gold on BB and probably a fan favorite.
I just don't think she's smart enough for BB.-a Yes, she correctly
read Shannon, but I also think Shannon was correct in saying Sage
doesn't really play strategically.-a She seems overly open and even >>>>> naive about a lot of things, and I don't think she has much self-
awareness.-a I could be wrong, but I think she'd be eaten alive on BB. >>>>
lot of live feeders.
Yeah, I can just imagine people watching her for hours picking off
her blackheads or doing other gross things.-a I wonder what's the
grossest thing BB has ever shown in the feeds?
Picking off blackheads and popping zits happens all the time on the
feeds. The grossest thing shown on the feeds probably depends on what
you consider to be gross. BB25 had Cirie's son Jared cheating on his
girlfriend. One night they were fooling around in the area across from
the HOH room and left a mess. We're talking bodily fluids. Some of the
others saw it after. Production asked them to clean it up which is
kind of crazy. I thought it was gross doing sexual stuff in a public
area of the house where people often meet to talk game, etc.
That's unbelievable and you really have to wonder what they were
thinking.-a Cirie must have been mortified.-a Has she ever talked about
that incident?
The ants getting into the food and all over the house can also be
gross. Seeing someone open a box of cereal and having ants crawl out
of it is something I'll never get use to.
I've heard the house is a pig sty and has to be deep-cleaned after the season is over by industrial cleaners.-a On the occasions when Julie has
to enter the house, I wonder if she wears plastic protection over her
shoes since you apparently never know what you're walking on.
We didn't see this directly, but heard all about it in gross detail.
Two or three seasons ago someone shit all over the toilet seat. Why is
beyond me.
Well unless the person was sick, you'd have to figure they did it deliberately or at least knowingly.-a Since they probably have a video record or who goes in and out and at what times, you would think the
show could figure out who did it.-a I assume potential contestants all
get psychological evaluations before they are accepted onto the show,
but maybe it's that they want a few people with loose screws.
On Oct 23, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10derap$dm8j$3@dont-email.me>):
I thought it was mentioned years and years ago on the show that you
don't cut a chicken's head off to kill it for various reasons.
Decapitation is a common method used to kill chickens on
farms. However, for the uninitiated, it can be distressing to
witness such an event as there is a certain amount of
bleeding and the body sometimes writhes around after the
head has been removed.
I'm
hardly an expert on this, but I think the idea is to stun the animal
first and then twist its neck to kill it.
Stunning is not actually necessary if the person knows what
he/she is doing. The idea is to break the animals neck in one
quick movement. From what we were shown in E04, Steven
and Alex appeared to be strangling the bird.
As I said in another post, I
have to believe the show must have given them some instruction on this,
because I can't imagine typical suburban and urban contestants knowing
what to do.
Certainly back in Mark BurnettrCOs day such interference was prohibited,
and it is my understanding that camera operators are still forbidden
to even speak to players. But perhaps on-site producers nowadays
are able to intervene in certain situations. But, as Brian said elsewhere
In this thread, if Steven and Alex received instructions in how to kill
the rooster in the most humane way, they sure did a crappy job of
following through.
Also, wouldn't Fiji have its own animal cruelty laws that would come
into play here?
Well, S34 was shot in Fiji (although not at the same location that
has been used repeatedly in the rCLnew erarCY), and one of the tribes
killed and consumed a wild goat. The same tribe also captured
and tied up a mother and baby goat. So, I canrCOt see the government
caring too much about slaughtering and eating some farm raised
poultry.
On Oct 23, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10derap$dm8j$3@dont-email.me>):
I thought it was mentioned years and years ago on the show that you
don't cut a chicken's head off to kill it for various reasons.
Decapitation is a common method used to kill chickens on
farms. However, for the uninitiated, it can be distressing to
witness such an event as there is a certain amount of
bleeding and the body sometimes writhes around after the
head has been removed.
I'm
hardly an expert on this, but I think the idea is to stun the animal
first and then twist its neck to kill it.
Stunning is not actually necessary if the person knows what
he/she is doing. The idea is to break the animals neck in one
quick movement. From what we were shown in E04, Steven
and Alex appeared to be strangling the bird.
As I said in another post, I
have to believe the show must have given them some instruction on this,
because I can't imagine typical suburban and urban contestants knowing
what to do.
Certainly back in Mark BurnettrCOs day such interference was prohibited,
and it is my understanding that camera operators are still forbidden
to even speak to players. But perhaps on-site producers nowadays
are able to intervene in certain situations. But, as Brian said elsewhere
In this thread, if Steven and Alex received instructions in how to kill
the rooster in the most humane way, they sure did a crappy job of
following through.
Also, wouldn't Fiji have its own animal cruelty laws that would come
into play here?
Well, S34 was shot in Fiji (although not at the same location that
has been used repeatedly in the rCLnew erarCY), and one of the tribes
killed and consumed a wild goat. The same tribe also captured
and tied up a mother and baby goat. So, I canrCOt see the government
caring too much about slaughtering and eating some farm raised
poultry.
Wow, I remember there was a goat, but I totally don't remember them
killing and eating it. I must have erased that completely from my
memory banks. How did they kill it and who did the deed?
I remember them killing animals in early seasons, most notably Skupin
and the pig or boar or whatever he killed, but it seems they scaled that
back after the incident where a tribe wanted to kill a pelican and were stopped by production.
have they killed any other non-fish animals post-pelican?
I'm honestly surprised they allowed the chicken to be
killed, given the previous controversies.
On Oct 25, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10diknh$2flgb$3@dont-email.me>):
Wow, I remember there was a goat, but I totally don't remember them
killing and eating it. I must have erased that completely from my
memory banks. How did they kill it and who did the deed?
J.T. Thomas and Malcolm Freberg captured a mother goat and
her baby, brought them both back to camp, and tied them to a
tree. Sandra Diaz spoke out in favour of cooking and eating
both animals, but the other members of the tribe were opposed.
J.T. felt guilty about his role in capturing the animals and
proposed letting them go and trying to catch a male goat
instead. All of this was included in the edit, so there is no doubt
about its accuracy.
However, what happened the next day is somewhat unclear.
During scenes involving activities in this tribe|ore4raos camp, the
viewers saw large chunks of brown meat cooking in the pot.
It clearly was not fish or chicken. However the edit did not
actually show any of the players eating the meat, or anybody
talking about its origins.
What Sandra said: In one of her post-season interviews with
Dalton Ross, she claimed that the meat was from another goat
that was captured after the mother and baby were released.
However, she also claimed that she was away from camp
doing a confessional when the butchering of the animal took
place. To the best of my knowledge, no other player from that
season has ever spoken about this matter.
What I think happened: Malcolm and/or J.T. killed and butchered
both the mother and baby goat, and everybody on the tribe ate
the meat. There never was a third goat as Sandra claimed, and
she was probably much more involved in the preparation of the
meat than she was willing to admit to Dalton Ross.
I remember them killing animals in early seasons, most notably Skupin
and the pig or boar or whatever he killed, but it seems they scaled that
back after the incident where a tribe wanted to kill a pelican and were
stopped by production.
Re. the pelican in the Pearl Islands: Rupert Boneham and Christa
Hastie admitted to killing the pelican in their post game interviews
and had intended to eat it. However Production intervened due to
concerns that the animal|ore4raos flesh may have contained parasites.
The really sad part is that the pelican was essentially a tame bird
who the locals had named Pelican Pete.
have they killed any other non-fish animals post-pelican?
In Gabon a sea turtle was captured, killed, and eaten by some
of the players. This incident was clearly shown in E03, and
resulted in a strong negative reaction from the fan community.
I'm honestly surprised they allowed the chicken to be
killed, given the previous controversies.
The viewers understand that the chickens won by
tribes in challenges will be killed and eaten.
However, the demise of these animals has been
kept out of the edit for a long time. That|ore4raos why,
from my perspective, the events included in E04
were so jarring.
On 10/24/2025 9:12 PM, Zeppo wrote:
On Oct 23, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10derap$dm8j$3@dont-email.me>):
Well, S34 was shot in Fiji (although not at the same location that
has been used repeatedly in the rCLnew erarCY), and one of the tribes
killed and consumed a wild goat. The same tribe also captured
and tied up a mother and baby goat. So, I canrCOt see the government
caring too much about slaughtering and eating some farm raised
poultry.
Wow, I remember there was a goat, but I totally don't remember them
killing and eating it. I must have erased that completely from my
memory banks. How did they kill it and who did the deed?
I remember them killing animals in early seasons, most notably Skupin
and the pig or boar or whatever he killed, but it seems they scaled that >back after the incident where a tribe wanted to kill a pelican and were >stopped by production. Other than the goat and the occasional chicken,
have they killed any other non-fish animals post-pelican?
BTW, pelicans are birds, right? Chickens are birds. Why the >double-standard? I'm honestly surprised they allowed the chicken to be >killed, given the previous controversies.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2025 09:52:50 -0400, Rick <Rick@nospam.net> wrote:
On 10/24/2025 9:12 PM, Zeppo wrote:
On Oct 23, 2025, Rick wrote
(in article <10derap$dm8j$3@dont-email.me>):
Well, S34 was shot in Fiji (although not at the same location that
has been used repeatedly in the rCLnew erarCY), and one of the tribes
killed and consumed a wild goat. The same tribe also captured
and tied up a mother and baby goat. So, I canrCOt see the government
caring too much about slaughtering and eating some farm raised
poultry.
Wow, I remember there was a goat, but I totally don't remember them
killing and eating it. I must have erased that completely from my
memory banks. How did they kill it and who did the deed?
I remember them killing animals in early seasons, most notably Skupin
and the pig or boar or whatever he killed, but it seems they scaled that
back after the incident where a tribe wanted to kill a pelican and were
stopped by production. Other than the goat and the occasional chicken,
have they killed any other non-fish animals post-pelican?
BTW, pelicans are birds, right? Chickens are birds. Why the
double-standard? I'm honestly surprised they allowed the chicken to be
killed, given the previous controversies.
There's some nugget in my brain that says that the reason people
shouldn't eat pelicans has to do with bacteria. That pelicans aren't
safe for people to eat while chickens are fine to eat.
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