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Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone.
I'm always curious what LE can do with your phone in their hands,
where, in criminal cases, we get good records, under oath, of capability.
In this case, four factory resets still enabled police to recover photos.
Two of those factory resets occurred *after* the police confiscated it!
This, in the BBC news today, shows that factory resetting your phone
doesn't necessarily make the images stored on that phone, not recoverable.
*The evidence in Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx5e9dldqwo>
"Forensic experts were also able to recover images on her mobile
showing what looked like death cap mushrooms on weighing scales."
When I saw that, I immediately thought using the word "recover" means she factory reset it, where running a few searches confirms multiple resets!
Two of the 4 factory resets occurred while the phone was in police custody!
The Nightly reports that four factory resets were performed on one of Patterson's devices in 2023, including a remote wipe on August 6,
which is the day *after* she handed the phone to police.
*Text messages and factory resets revealed in Mushroom triple murder trial* <https://thenightly.com.au/australia/i-want-nothing-to-do-with-them-text-messages-and-factory-resets-revealed-in-mushroom-triple-murder-trial-c-18784538>
Additionally, news in Australia cite specific court testimony & judicial summaries confirming that Patterson carried out 3 of the 4 factory resets herself, and that these resets were part of the prosecution's argument
that she was attempting to conceal evidence (some of which they recovered).
*Mushroom cook's incriminating conduct: Court*
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-must-ignore-sympathy-011933987.html>
*Judge in Erin Patterson's mushroom trial gives final instructions to the jury*
<https://7news.com.au/news/judge-in-erin-pattersons-mushroom-trial-gives-final-instructions-to-the-jury-as-accused-triple-murderers-case-wraps-up-c-19158299>
On the topic of wiping out your phone, were you aware resets don't work?
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone.
I'm always curious what LE can do with your phone in their hands,
where, in criminal cases, we get good records, under oath, of capability.
In this case, four factory resets still enabled police to recover photos.
Two of those factory resets occurred *after* the police confiscated it!
This, in the BBC news today, shows that factory resetting your phone
doesn't necessarily make the images stored on that phone, not recoverable.
*The evidence in Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx5e9dldqwo>
"Forensic experts were also able to recover images on her mobile
showing what looked like death cap mushrooms on weighing scales."
When I saw that, I immediately thought using the word "recover" means she factory reset it, where running a few searches confirms multiple resets!
Two of the 4 factory resets occurred while the phone was in police custody!
The Nightly reports that four factory resets were performed on one of Patterson's devices in 2023, including a remote wipe on August 6,
which is the day *after* she handed the phone to police.
*Text messages and factory resets revealed in Mushroom triple murder trial* <https://thenightly.com.au/australia/i-want-nothing-to-do-with-them-text-messages-and-factory-resets-revealed-in-mushroom-triple-murder-trial-c-18784538>
Additionally, news in Australia cite specific court testimony & judicial summaries confirming that Patterson carried out 3 of the 4 factory resets herself, and that these resets were part of the prosecution's argument
that she was attempting to conceal evidence (some of which they recovered).
*Mushroom cook's incriminating conduct: Court*
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-must-ignore-sympathy-011933987.html>
*Judge in Erin Patterson's mushroom trial gives final instructions to the jury*
<https://7news.com.au/news/judge-in-erin-pattersons-mushroom-trial-gives-final-instructions-to-the-jury-as-accused-triple-murderers-case-wraps-up-c-19158299>
On the topic of wiping out your phone, were you aware resets don't work?
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone.
I'm always curious what LE can do with your phone in their hands,
where, in criminal cases, we get good records, under oath, of capability.
In this case, four factory resets still enabled police to recover photos.
Two of those factory resets occurred *after* the police confiscated it!
This, in the BBC news today, shows that factory resetting your phone
doesn't necessarily make the images stored on that phone, not recoverable. >>
*The evidence in Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx5e9dldqwo>
"Forensic experts were also able to recover images on her mobile
showing what looked like death cap mushrooms on weighing scales."
When I saw that, I immediately thought using the word "recover" means she
factory reset it, where running a few searches confirms multiple resets!
Two of the 4 factory resets occurred while the phone was in police custody! >>
The Nightly reports that four factory resets were performed on one of
Patterson's devices in 2023, including a remote wipe on August 6,
which is the day *after* she handed the phone to police.
*Text messages and factory resets revealed in Mushroom triple murder trial*
<https://thenightly.com.au/australia/i-want-nothing-to-do-with-them-text-messages-and-factory-resets-revealed-in-mushroom-triple-murder-trial-c-18784538>
Additionally, news in Australia cite specific court testimony & judicial
summaries confirming that Patterson carried out 3 of the 4 factory resets
herself, and that these resets were part of the prosecution's argument
that she was attempting to conceal evidence (some of which they recovered). >> *Mushroom cook's incriminating conduct: Court*
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-must-ignore-sympathy-011933987.html>
*Judge in Erin Patterson's mushroom trial gives final instructions to the jury*
<https://7news.com.au/news/judge-in-erin-pattersons-mushroom-trial-gives-final-instructions-to-the-jury-as-accused-triple-murderers-case-wraps-up-c-19158299>
On the topic of wiping out your phone, were you aware resets don't work?
Yes. I was aware that even magnetic hard drives can be recovered after
being erased and formatted multiple times. WhatrCOs not clear to me is how well a hammer or powerful magnet will work on modern solid state drives.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your
phone.
I'm always curious what LE can do with your phone in their hands,
where, in criminal cases, we get good records, under oath, of
capability.
In this case, four factory resets still enabled police to recover
photos. Two of those factory resets occurred *after* the police
confiscated it!
This, in the BBC news today, shows that factory resetting your phone
doesn't necessarily make the images stored on that phone, not
recoverable.
*The evidence in Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx5e9dldqwo>
"Forensic experts were also able to recover images on her mobile
showing what looked like death cap mushrooms on weighing scales."
When I saw that, I immediately thought using the word "recover" means
she factory reset it, where running a few searches confirms multiple
resets!
Two of the 4 factory resets occurred while the phone was in police
custody!
The Nightly reports that four factory resets were performed on one of
Patterson's devices in 2023, including a remote wipe on August 6,
which is the day *after* she handed the phone to police.
*Text messages and factory resets revealed in Mushroom triple murder
trial*
<https://thenightly.com.au/australia/i-want-nothing-to-do-with-them-text
-messages-and-factory-resets-revealed-in-mushroom-triple-murder-trial-c-
18784538>
Additionally, news in Australia cite specific court testimony &
judicial summaries confirming that Patterson carried out 3 of the 4
factory resets herself, and that these resets were part of the
prosecution's argument that she was attempting to conceal evidence
(some of which they recovered).
*Mushroom cook's incriminating conduct: Court*
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-must-ignore-sympathy-011933987
.html>
*Judge in Erin Patterson's mushroom trial gives final instructions to
the jury*
<https://7news.com.au/news/judge-in-erin-pattersons-mushroom-trial-give
s-final-instructions-to-the-jury-as-accused-triple-murderers-case-wraps
-up-c-19158299>
On the topic of wiping out your phone, were you aware resets don't
work?
Yes. I was aware that even magnetic hard drives can be recovered after
being erased and formatted multiple times. WhatrCOs not clear to me is
how well a hammer or powerful magnet will work on modern solid state
drives.
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone.
Yes. I was aware that even magnetic hard drives can be recovered after
being erased and formatted multiple times. WhatAs not clear to me is how
well a hammer or powerful magnet will work on modern solid state drives.
But those resets were NOT done to the phone from which they recovered
the photos. The article says precisely that:
In article <104hema$1saqm$1@solani.org>
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone. >>>
Yes. I was aware that even magnetic hard drives can be recovered after
being erased and formatted multiple times. WhatrCOs not clear to me is how >> well a hammer or powerful magnet will work on modern solid state drives.
Where are the verifying URLS for such a crock of shit as you're giving
out regarding recovery of data?
On 2025-07-07 10:42, Marion wrote:
Topic: Criminals whose evidence against them are their mobile devices
Why: Because it's a privacy issue of what others can do with your phone.
I'm always curious what LE can do with your phone in their hands,
where, in criminal cases, we get good records, under oath, of capability.
In this case, four factory resets still enabled police to recover photos.
Two of those factory resets occurred *after* the police confiscated it!
This, in the BBC news today, shows that factory resetting your phone
doesn't necessarily make the images stored on that phone, not recoverable. >>
*The evidence in Erin Patterson's mushroom murder trial*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx5e9dldqwo>
"Forensic experts were also able to recover images on her mobile
showing what looked like death cap mushrooms on weighing scales."
When I saw that, I immediately thought using the word "recover" means she
factory reset it, where running a few searches confirms multiple resets!
Why would you immediately think that?
"Recover" in this context could simply mean they weren't given the pass code.
Two of the 4 factory resets occurred while the phone was in police custody! >>
The Nightly reports that four factory resets were performed on one of
Patterson's devices in 2023, including a remote wipe on August 6,
which is the day *after* she handed the phone to police.
*Text messages and factory resets revealed in Mushroom triple murder trial*
<https://thenightly.com.au/australia/i-want-nothing-to-do-with-them-text-messages-and-factory-resets-revealed-in-mushroom-triple-murder-trial-c-18784538>
But those resets were NOT done to the phone from which they recovered
the photos. The article says precisely that:
'Four factory resets of one device, mushroom photos on another'
For a "man" who claims he only posts facts, you sure miss a lot.
Additionally, news in Australia cite specific court testimony & judicial
summaries confirming that Patterson carried out 3 of the 4 factory resets
herself, and that these resets were part of the prosecution's argument
that she was attempting to conceal evidence (some of which they recovered). >> *Mushroom cook's incriminating conduct: Court*
<https://au.news.yahoo.com/mushroom-jury-must-ignore-sympathy-011933987.html>
There is no support in that article for the contention that the photos
were recovered from the reset device.
None.
*Judge in Erin Patterson's mushroom trial gives final instructions to the jury*
<https://7news.com.au/news/judge-in-erin-pattersons-mushroom-trial-gives-final-instructions-to-the-jury-as-accused-triple-murderers-case-wraps-up-c-19158299>
On the topic of wiping out your phone, were you aware resets don't work?
Again, literally not a word about data being recovered from a phone that
had been reset.
As always, privacy takes intelligence.
People with no intelligence will never have privacy.
Just ask criminals who get caught because their red iPhone turned them in.
<https://www.njherald.com/story/news/courts/2023/08/04/hayden-harris-case-life-sentences-fort-drum-soldier-killers/70523170007/>
On 2025-08-22 10:23, Marion wrote:
As always, privacy takes intelligence.
People with no intelligence will never have privacy.
Just ask criminals who get caught because their red iPhone turned them
in.
-a <https://www.njherald.com/story/news/courts/2023/08/04/hayden-
harris-case-life-sentences-fort-drum-soldier-killers/70523170007/>
Context. We are talking of recovering data out of formatted and/or
erased hard disks. Not of privacy.
You have to learn how to position your post correctly in a thread so
that it hangs from the proper context, Arlen. Yes, I know that you use scripts that make this harder. Not my problem.
On 2025-08-22 03:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-08-22 10:23, Marion wrote:
As always, privacy takes intelligence.
People with no intelligence will never have privacy.
Just ask criminals who get caught because their red iPhone turned them
in.
<https://www.njherald.com/story/news/courts/2023/08/04/hayden-harris-case-life-sentences-fort-drum-soldier-killers/70523170007/>
Context. We are talking of recovering data out of formatted and/or
erased hard disks. Not of privacy.
You have to learn how to position your post correctly in a thread so
that it hangs from the proper context, Arlen. Yes, I know that you use
scripts that make this harder. Not my problem.
Point of order: he CLAIMS to use scripts.
The links he does provide never say what he claims they say.
As always, privacy takes intelligence.
People with no intelligence will never have privacy.
Just ask criminals who get caught because their red iPhone turned them in.
<https://www.njherald.com/story/news/courts/2023/08/04/hayden-harris-case-life-sentences-fort-drum-soldier-killers/70523170007/>
Ah, well then, there it is. You're pretty good as I had not found
that! It's even the same model line as my free Samsung Galaxy phone!
I stand publicly & openly corrected (& slightly embarrassed about my
bias).
Looks like even alleged murderers can make a decent tech choice. (jk)
I'll revise my theory about dumb criminals using phones at all near
crimes.
Appreciate the correction. I'll accept these facts & recalibrate my
snobbery.
Ah, well then, there it is. You're pretty good as I had not found
that! It's even the same model line as my free Samsung Galaxy phone!
I stand publicly & openly corrected (& slightly embarrassed about my
bias).
Speaking of bias, I wonder what the breakdown of phone ownership is
among the political spectrum.
Looks like even alleged murderers can make a decent tech choice. (jk)
I'll revise my theory about dumb criminals using phones at all near
crimes.
There are dumb and smart people in every category imaginable. My guess
is most people just stay with the type of phone they learned first
unless there was a compelling to switch.
Appreciate the correction. I'll accept these facts & recalibrate my >>snobbery.
There's always three sides to the story -- his side, her side, and the
truth.
On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 12:03:11 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :
Ah, well then, there it is. You're pretty good as I had not
found that! It's even the same model line as my free Samsung
Galaxy phone! I stand publicly & openly corrected (& slightly
embarrassed about my bias).
Speaking of bias, I wonder what the breakdown of phone ownership
is among the political spectrum.
There's an (older) chart on page 12 showing iOS vs Android in
government: <https://www.businessofgovernment.org/sites/default/ files/Using%20Mobile%20Apps%20in%20Government.pdf>
Despite the bias Steve might have us believe, the DOD allows both
Android & iOS devices for employee personal device ownership as
described here. <https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/ Library/UseOfNon-GovernmentOwnedMobileDevices.pdf>
Looks like even alleged murderers can make a decent tech choice.
(jk) I'll revise my theory about dumb criminals using phones at
all near crimes.
There are dumb and smart people in every category imaginable. My
guess is most people just stay with the type of phone they learned
first unless there was a compelling to switch.
I think there are fundamentally different types of people when it
comes to how well they respond to pure marketing bullshit, where
personally, I think Apple owners respond much better to marketing
hype than do Android owners.
But I could be wrong on that as I agree, most people are incredibly
stupid.
Appreciate the correction. I'll accept these facts & recalibrate
my snobbery.
There's always three sides to the story -- his side, her side, and
the truth.
Well, to be very clear, I never stated what Kohlberger's phone was,
as I didn't have the sleuthing skills you had of finding out it out
for sure.
Truth be told, I was kind'a hopin' it would be a RED!!!!!!
iPhone. :)
But I did dig up more on why he first turned off his radios _before_ powering the phone down, and it turned out to be what I thought it
was.
Apparently even (seemingly) powered down, phones can respond to
pings from the outside world, including pings from the carrier's
cell towers.
This shows that we can learn about privacy from these criminals'
mistakes. An example is when I go into any store nowadays, I go on
airplane mode.
I don't power down the phone as I sometimes snap photos of prices
and/or products that I need to research later when I get home, but I
turn all the radios off so that the in-store trackers don't log my
every aisle.