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The West intended carbon neutrality as a strategic trap to constrain ChinarCOs and the Global SouthrCOs developmentrCobut underestimated ChinarCOs ability to turn the tables.
By embracing the challenge with unprecedented speed and scale in clean energy innovation, China not only escaped the trap but flipped the script: transforming climate pressure into industrial opportunity, green technology into global leadership,
and Western containment into self-reliant ascendancy. In the end, the hunter was ensnared by his own snarerCowhile the dragon soared on wings of wind, sun, and strategic foresight.

I. The Setup: Why Did the West Push rCLCarbon NeutralityrCY? rCo Green Rhetoric, Geopolitical Ambition
Historical Emissions Had Already Locked in Western Advantage

From 1850 to 2020, developed nations (the U.S., EU, and Japan) accounted for 62% of cumulative global COree emissions, having long completed their industrialization.
Per capita historical emissions in the U.S. exceed 1,100 tonsrComore than eight times that of China.

rCLCarbon NeutralityrCY Became a New Instrument of Strategic Containment Starting with the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Summit, the West championed rCLcommon but undifferentiated responsibilities,rCY demanding equal obligations from all countries, regardless of development stage.
In practice, this erased critical differences between industrialized and developing economies. If accepted by nations like China or India, it would have forced them to:
Prematurely retire coal plants, steel mills, and cement factories before full depreciation;
Pay premium prices for green technologies monopolized by Western firms (solar panels, wind turbines, carbon capture systems);
Fall into a rCLgreen colonialismrCY traprCoperpetually paying rent to the West. EfAi As Chinese scientist Ding Zhongli famously asked in 2010: rCLAre Chinese people not human? Why should we emit less?rCYrCoa direct challenge to the injustice embedded in these rules.

II. The Trap: The WestrCOs Carefully Constructed rCLCarbon Neutrality GambitrCY Moral Framing: Carbon neutrality was packaged as a rCLmoral imperative.rCY Anyone questioning it risked being labeled rCLanti-environmentrCY or even rCLanti-humanity.rCY
Institutional Encirclement:
The Paris Agreement required rCLnationally determined contributions,rCY but included mechanisms for international scrutiny.
The EU launched the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM), imposing rCLcarbon tariffsrCY on importsrCopotentially shifting $ 25 billion annually in costs onto developing nations.
Technological Monopoly: Over 85% of low-carbon patents were held by U.S., European, and Japanese corporations, aiming to extract long-term rCLgreen rents.rCY

The goal was clear: Use environmental rhetoric to lock China out of advanced industrial development and preserve Western hegemony for another century.

III. ChinarCOs Countermove: Turning the Tables with Strategic Foresight
Faced with a lose-lose dilemmarCocomply and stagnate, or resist and be isolatedrCoChina chose a third path: accept the challenge, but redefine the game.
September 2020: A Bold Announcement at the UN
rCLChina aims to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality by 2060.rCY
On the surface, it looked like surrender. The West celebrated: rCLTheyrCOve fallen for it! Their economy will collapse under green constraints!rCY
ChinarCOs Real Strategy: Not rCLLess Growth,rCY But rCLNew GrowthrCY
Instead of retreating, China launched a national energy-industrial revolution: Full-throttle investment in solar, wind, batteries, and electric vehicles; Leveraging state direction + market dynamism to build the worldrCOs largest clean tech supply chain.
Results by 2026:
China produces over 60% of global solar modules, 70% of EV batteries, and 50%+ of wind turbines;
Annual EV sales exceed 12.8 million units (60% of the global total), now being exported back to Europe;
Renewable capacity has surpassed coal power, with green electricity costs halved since 2015.

rLa China didnrCOt stumble into the traprCoit used it as a springboard for technological leapfrogging.

IV. The Reversal: The Hunter Falls Into His Own Pit
The U.S. First Abandoned the Game
Trump withdrew from the Paris Agreement in 2017, calling climate change a rCLhoax.rCY
Even under Biden, domestic fossil fuel interests blocked real transitionrCocoal remains, gas expands.
By 2024, U.S. delegates skipped key climate meetings, earning headlines like rCLThe WorldrCOs Biggest Climate Obstacle.rCY
EuroperCOs Hypocrisy Exposed
After RussiarCOs invasion of Ukraine, the EU restarted coal plants, extended nuclear lifespans, and bought expensive LNG.
Germany, once the rCLgreen leader,rCY shut down nuclear reactors only to burn more coalrCoemissions rose again.
The moral high ground crumbled under energy insecurity.
Strategic Panic in the West
They expected ChinarCOs economy to slow under green pressurerCobut GDP still grew at N+R5% annually.
They planned to monopolize green techrCobut China turned solar panels and EVs into commodities, slashing global prices.
Now, when the West tries to re-enter the clean energy race, it finds core technologies, supply chains, and cost advantages all firmly in Chinese hands.
Efo|N+A The trap they dug became their own prison; the game they designed crowned their rival as champion.

V. The Outcome: China Emerges as the True Pillar of Global Climate Action Without China, global carbon neutrality is impossible:
Nations like India, Brazil, and South Africa rely on Chinese-made solar panels and batteries to power their transitions.
The feasibility of limiting warming to 1.5-#C hinges on ChinarCOs ability to drive down clean tech costs.
A Clash of Philosophies:
The West promoted rCLgreen elitismrCYrCoclimate action as a luxury for the rich.
China champions rCLgreen public goodsrCYrComaking clean energy affordable for all.
Efii As The Wall Street Journal noted: rCLChina now occupies an unprecedented central role in global climate governance.rCY

Conclusion: A Masterclass in Strategic Statecraft

This episode proves a timeless truth:
True strategic genius isnrCOt refusing to play the gamerCoitrCOs entering the arena and rewriting the rules.

China wasnrCOt trapped by the rCLcarbon neutrality snare.rCY Instead, it transformed climate pressure into industrial upgrading, energy security, and global leadershiprCothe ultimate demonstration of turning an adversaryrCOs weapon against them.
The hunter set the trap.
The dragon built wings.
And the world watched as the sky changed hands.
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Gree fan posted:

The West

By saying, the West, a presumption is made.
To suggest there exists, the North, South
and/or East is possible taking that route.

The route, or way, or dao
is perhaps able to be such
and yet, then again, a text,
the DDJ may say, not always.

Why carve the world in half, or more
fractions could be a question to ask.

intended carbon neutrality as a strategic trap

To think a thing, the West, intended
would probably be a thought of a sort.

To believe carbon neutrality was a strategic trap
sounds like some sort of a strange belief system.

to constrain ChinarCOs and the Global SouthrCOs developmentrCo

That's doubtful, imo.

but underestimated ChinarCOs ability to turn the tables.

When referring to China, or China's ability,
there arrives an other form of chopping,
of carving and when there is the bull,
the butcher arrives in mind as well.

In the Zhuangzi are various tales.
Of a well-frog and oxen, a gnarly tree
and honkless goose. A middle path and how
there are no guarantees.

By embracing the challenge with unprecedented speed and scale in clean energy innovation, China not only escaped the trap but flipped the script: transforming climate pressure into industrial opportunity, green technology into global leadership,
and Western containment into self-reliant ascendancy. In the end, the hunter was ensnared by his own snarerCowhile the dragon soared on wings of wind, sun, and strategic foresight.

I. The Setup: Why Did the West Push rCLCarbon NeutralityrCY? rCo Green Rhetoric, Geopolitical Ambition
Historical Emissions Had Already Locked in Western Advantage

From 1850 to 2020, developed nations (the U.S., EU, and Japan) accounted for 62% of cumulative global COree emissions, having long completed their industrialization.
Per capita historical emissions in the U.S. exceed 1,100 tonsrComore than eight times that of China.

rCLCarbon NeutralityrCY Became a New Instrument of Strategic Containment Starting with the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Summit, the West championed rCLcommon but undifferentiated responsibilities,rCY demanding equal obligations from all countries, regardless of development stage.
In practice, this erased critical differences between industrialized and developing economies. If accepted by nations like China or India, it would have forced them to:
Prematurely retire coal plants, steel mills, and cement factories before full depreciation;
Pay premium prices for green technologies monopolized by Western firms (solar panels, wind turbines, carbon capture systems);
Fall into a rCLgreen colonialismrCY traprCoperpetually paying rent to the West.
EfAi As Chinese scientist Ding Zhongli famously asked in 2010: rCLAre Chinese people not human? Why should we emit less?rCYrCoa direct challenge to the injustice embedded in these rules.

So, global warming is part of a scam.

If that's true, then why would leaders in China care
about how much gas is emitted in the air. Perhaps they see
what's called writing on the wall and know better
than to keep producing tons of carbon gases.

II. The Trap: The WestrCOs Carefully Constructed rCLCarbon Neutrality GambitrCY
Moral Framing: Carbon neutrality was packaged as a rCLmoral imperative.rCY Anyone questioning it risked being labeled rCLanti-environmentrCY or even rCLanti-humanity.rCY
Institutional Encirclement:
The Paris Agreement required rCLnationally determined contributions,rCY but included mechanisms for international scrutiny.
The EU launched the Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM), imposing rCLcarbon tariffsrCY on importsrCopotentially shifting $ 25 billion annually in costs onto developing nations.
Technological Monopoly: Over 85% of low-carbon patents were held by U.S., European, and Japanese corporations, aiming to extract long-term rCLgreen rents.rCY

The goal was clear: Use environmental rhetoric to lock China out of advanced industrial development and preserve Western hegemony for another century.

Maybe that's true, or false. Maybe half-true or all wrong.

Looks at what occurs or occurred from a single point of view
could induce a lop-sided way of thinking and seeing.

III. ChinarCOs Countermove: Turning the Tables with Strategic Foresight
Faced with a lose-lose dilemmarCocomply and stagnate, or resist and be isolatedrCoChina chose a third path: accept the challenge, but redefine the game.
September 2020: A Bold Announcement at the UN
rCLChina aims to peak carbon emissions before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality by 2060.rCY
On the surface, it looked like surrender. The West celebrated: rCLTheyrCOve fallen for it!

Sounds fantastic to me. Like a story told
by a story teller for a reason, an agenda,
to first paint a picture of being a victim.

Having a victim mentality occurs.
First, create a perpetrator of a sort, or a natural
disaster, a global evil, like, the West in this case.

Then, to be heroic, defy the monster
which was created for rhetorical use.

Their economy will collapse under green constraints!rCY
ChinarCOs Real Strategy: Not rCLLess Growth,rCY But rCLNew GrowthrCY

Better growth seems like a better choice.

To accept global warming as a fact and
take response ability to heart, to stop polluting
cities and repeat what was done previously would be wise.

Instead of retreating, China launched a national energy-industrial revolution:
Full-throttle investment in solar, wind, batteries, and electric vehicles; Leveraging state direction + market dynamism to build the worldrCOs largest clean tech supply chain.
Results by 2026:
China produces over 60% of global solar modules, 70% of EV batteries, and 50%+ of wind turbines;
Annual EV sales exceed 12.8 million units (60% of the global total), now being exported back to Europe;
Renewable capacity has surpassed coal power, with green electricity costs halved since 2015.

Aye saw a video a while ago about all the used wind turbines.
Apparently they have a life-span and are then junked. What happens
when solar panels need to be retired. More and more of so-called, clean
or green energy might be part of the scam as well. And if
leaders were conned by the green energy people, then
that's what happened across the globe.

rLa China didnrCOt stumble into the traprCoit used it as a springboard for technological leapfrogging.

Maybe the con was a long con
and the perps figured it would go on.
First, get developing countries to buy in
to a global warming, looming environmental scam
and have them all caught up in a process.

Then, by keeping them keep their eyes
off of what is, really, going on,
it's game over for the time beings.

Meanwhile, preparing for the next glacial period,
the immortal rulers of the world prepared.

They knew the time beings would be trapped
by their own thinking naturally being time beings.

IV. The Reversal: The Hunter Falls Into His Own Pit
The U.S. First Abandoned the Game
Trump withdrew from the Paris Agreement in 2017, calling climate change a rCLhoax.rCY

He might believe the world is flat
and be against medical treatments,
not to mention other items he may
or perhaps doesn't call a thing.

Even under Biden, domestic fossil fuel interests blocked real transitionrCocoal remains, gas expands.
By 2024, U.S. delegates skipped key climate meetings, earning headlines like rCLThe WorldrCOs Biggest Climate Obstacle.rCY

Lots of people are trapped
in their hearts and minds by
politics without knowing it.

All they think about revolves
around how they've carved up
a world view and Daojia is not
what they care about, basically.

When posting to a newsgroup, the topic
is usually what is the topic unless such
a poster doesn't care about rules nor terms
of service. Perhaps the poster is a troll.

Why divide the world into what is called China,
not China and then play silly games could be
a question unless it isn't.

EuroperCOs Hypocrisy Exposed

What occurs to me is a very strange world-view.

To think there are these realms: Europe, the South,
West, North and East plus lines on maps to divide
what is, for example, East.

East might include North and South like when looking
toward where the sun called the Sun appears to rise.

East of what is called Asia is what is called West.
West of what is called the Western Hemisphere can be
what is called the East. East is West and West, East.

That probably doesn't work for North and South.

Aye can imagine a poster in, say, Brazil,
who views all the North as being in some fashion
of thought and blames problems on, the North.

He, or she, might show how great Brazil is doing.
Why that would be done could be a question. Who cares
might be an other. An other who cares.

Then, a question as to why post about Brazil
in a newsgroup that isn't about the South,
could emerge at a time for time beings.

After RussiarCOs invasion of Ukraine,

As if, a thing, a country, invaded an other.

the EU restarted coal plants, extended nuclear lifespans, and bought expensive LNG.

When a supply of resources is sanctioned,
then other supplies are required for time beings
to fuel their economies and keep the fires burning.

Germany, once the rCLgreen leader,rCY shut down nuclear reactors only to burn more coalrCoemissions rose again.

That sounds a bit strange. Why do that,
could be a question, if it was done, presuming
a nation state of mind called, Germany, did that.

Connecting dots, correlations and such, may create a mind-set.

<< Germany shut down its last three operating nuclear power plants
on April 15, 2023, following the invasion of Ukraine.
While the shutdowns were part of a long-standing, planned phase-out,
the war caused a temporary three-month extension of the final plants' operation to ensure energy security. >>

Sounds like activity did occur.
Why the activity occurred could be questioned.

<< Germany completed its "Atomausstieg" (nuclear exit),
finalizing a process that began in the early 2000s and
was accelerated after the 2011 Fukushima disaster. >>

So, using an East-West mind-set, after a disaster
in the East happened, the West got paranoid.

<< Post-Shut Down: The country has shifted toward renewable
energy sources and temporarily relied more on coal to bridge
energy needs, despite the energy crisis. >>

Excuses often excuse a, country,
as if such a creation exists in a reality.

First, create an artificial creation using a map.
Draw lines. Then, for a plot, twist the mind.
Wrap the mind a round for a spell.

The moral high ground crumbled under energy insecurity.

So, the West, in other words, Russia, unless
Russia is the North, invaded the West, unless
Ukraine was the South and then Germany saw the
East with its nuclear plant spell disaster and
was in a phase of shutting down its plants.

The East, North, South and West made plans.
Diabolical plans naturally, being evil and
those plans were foiled by the North, South
East and West as the world was carved.

It reminds me of a soap opera.

Strategic Panic in the West
They expected ChinarCOs economy to slow under green pressurerCo

They, meaning, the EU, the West, the North
but not the East nor the South in this version.

The West was in full panic mode.
Sounds very dramatic.

but GDP still grew at N+R5% annually.

Aye has seen reports of ghost cities. To grow
an economy is possible naturally as well as
artificially by decree.

They planned to monopolize green techrCo

Sounds like a projection of a sort.
Could be skewed, possibly paranoid.
Not to mention delusions of grandeur.

What may occur, at times for time beings,
can be partial truths such as having borders,
those artificial types of lines on maps, crossed
by so-called, others. This may result in a victim
mentality, shame and other mental phenomena.

Then, being the world's factory, growing and
using labor imported from the farm-lands to
the big cities where pollution is horrible
and traffic more than a bad dream, needs
emerge to do something. Some better
and better, to keep growing.

To catch and surpass all others.
To be the best, ever. How grand.
And, with grains of truth build
a castle made of sand.

but China turned solar panels and EVs into commodities, slashing global prices.
Now, when the West

So, in this view, there exists, China
and, the West. A sort of lump zero sum game.

tries to re-enter the clean energy race,

A realm, the West, tries to re-enter the race.

Sounds like there's a kind of sporting event going on
in the mind or perhaps heart area of a soul, unless
there are no souls which reminds me of Daoism.

In a scheme of what people have, ten souls were.
Hun and Po and whether reincarnation was a thing
is beyond recollection.

If reincarnation is a phenomenon that occurs,
then a different world-view could emerge.

All the world could be seen as a stage, a
kind of a play taking place over time for
the time beings who think they are in ways.

The ways that are the ways, put in words,
can be very real for many time beings.

it finds core technologies, supply chains, and cost advantages all firmly in Chinese hands.
Efo|N+A The trap they dug became their own prison; the game they designed crowned their rival as champion.

Hooray for our side! We win!
Time beings in a realm called
China by them wins the race!

V. The Outcome: China Emerges as the True Pillar of Global Climate Action Without China, global carbon neutrality is impossible:

Well, that makes a lot of sense. If China,
so-called, is emitting 1/3 of the emissions,
then without changing strategy, to achieve
global carbon neutrality would be impossible.

Nations like India, Brazil, and South Africa rely on Chinese-made solar panels and batteries to power their transitions.

All part of the long con as it were.
To get the workers working for them.
They being, others, naturally.

The feasibility of limiting warming to 1.5-#C hinges on ChinarCOs ability to drive down clean tech costs.

TTC 80 suggests,
rather than dirty up the neighbors' land,
do less and less and don't go there.

A Clash of Philosophies:
The West promoted rCLgreen elitismrCYrCoclimate action as a luxury for the rich.

Not, the North.
It was, the West.

China champions rCLgreen public goodsrCYrComaking clean energy affordable for all.

China is heroic. The greatest. The best.

Efii As The Wall Street Journal noted: rCLChina now occupies an unprecedented central role in global climate governance.rCY

Being the major producer of dirty energy,
to need to be responsible and clean up the act
makes logical sense in various Ways or Dao.

Conclusion: A Masterclass in Strategic Statecraft

First, get the poor farmers in the East
to migrate to the cities to make products
for the North or the West. Make them work
cheap and long hours. Put nets around the
factories so when they jump out of them
they don't die on impact.

Then, when the goods are made, so many
goods and consumers are consuming so many
of the products wages are able to increase
and a consumer society emerges naturally.

To copy the West, or the North, industrialize.
Make factories. Use capitalism and enterprise.
Reward people by having incentives. Get them
to want products they produce and afford.

Clean up the cities. Build more cities.
Spend mythical coins of the realm.

This episode proves a timeless truth:

For the time beings, a timeless truth occurs.

True strategic genius isnrCOt refusing to play the gamerCoitrCOs entering the arena and rewriting the rules.

It isn't always easy being green, said the frog.

China wasnrCOt trapped by the rCLcarbon neutrality snare.rCY

Presuming it was a snare.

Instead, it transformed climate pressure into industrial upgrading, energy security, and global leadershiprCothe ultimate demonstration of turning an adversaryrCOs weapon against them.

Sometimes people need stories. Why
such a need occurs could be a question.

The hunter set the trap.
The dragon built wings.
And the world watched as the sky changed hands.

With some stories, hunters exist. Dragons, evil
and good prevails and the hero goes home to show
how a journey begins and ends.

First, long ago, the Xia, then Shang, then Zhou
were dynasties until one day, feudalism proved
warring states could fight for a long time.

Writers wrote of how to rule, naturally.
Some were old, like Lao Tzu and others
followed Chuang Tzu, now Zhuangzi.

Daoism became a thing, then was not allowed.
Then it changed and was an other thing.

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aye posted:

Gree fan posted a bout:

The West ...

Lao Tzu, according to legend, went west
after leaving what would have been east.
To the south was Yue, perhaps. And north
was where a ruler sat facing the other
compass point. A polar view, may be.

Some say he taught Siddhartha unless
that's not what some say which could be
true naturally. Ore knots.

With some stories, hunters exist.

One time, in a story in the Chuang-tzu,
Chuang Tzu had a bow and arrow and found
a self of his in a nature preserve of a sort.

He'd lost his True Self.
Twas a curious tale of a sort.

First, long ago, the Xia, then Shang, then Zhou
were dynasties until one day, feudalism proved
warring states could fight for a long time.

A story goes that after many, many years
of the fighting eventually a ruler arose
and won a final fight, except it wasn't
actually an end to the fighting.

An emperor, perhaps, akin to those of lore
wanted to be immortal and tried many forms
of alchemy including eating mercury.

Mercury is able to be metaphorical.

Lost of people are unable to tell
differences between physical reality
and what various types of alchemy suggest.

... followed Chuang Tzu, now Zhuangzi.

Transformations remind me of a dream
in which a butterfly was flying.

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eye posted:

aye posted:

... ... now Zhuangzi.

Transformations remind me of a dream
in which a butterfly was flying.

At times one is unable to know
for certain which forms a base
of knowledge of a sort.

Perhaps the world is a butterfly
dreaming it is all things considered
to be things by it naturally.

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one posted:

Perhaps the world is a butterfly
dreaming it is all things considered
to be things by it naturally.

Once upon a time Hun Dun was
a kind of good egg in a Way. That was
until friends decided to drill holes and then
a scene shifted suddenly.

The butterfly, torn to shreds became East
and West, North and South with legs which
were fewer than when it was a caterpillar.

Land emerged from the many waters
and on some of the land were people.

At first they grew to be tribes and
after a time being time beings they
kept on growing in number.

How much land the Xia inhabited
prior to the Shang could be mapped.

How large of an area the Zhou kept
under their control varied after it
changed and was then East and West.

What names the names of the lands are
in the land that is all of the land
which was the butterfly changes.

- time after time ...
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mythology posted:

At first they grew to be tribes and
after a time being time beings they
kept on growing in number.

Prior to a state
known as Qin, formerly, Chin, who
ruled a land in the West or South like
what is now Tibet or Turkish tribes North
or East like Mongolia or Manchu, who
were the Yue could be asked.

How much land the Xia inhabited
prior to the Shang could be mapped.

Speaking of ancient Mongolia might
be how some people talk about ruling
the world as it was for a spell naturally.

How large of an area the Zhou kept
under their control varied after it
changed and was then East and West.

North and South in those times were
and were not as they are in ways today.

What names the names of the lands are
in the land that is all of the land
which was the butterfly changes.

Some people think of ancient Russia
prior to when it became known by that
name that names a land or ancient Persia
if not India prior to when a ruler like a
Caesar or an Alexander ruled Egyptian lands.

To speak of an ancient Roman or Greek empires
prior to when it was could be anachronistic
ways of referring to what was not yet now is.

When Daoist writers wrote they weren't Daoist.
Yet when Han historians categorized Jia and
didn't mention Jiao schools of thought
why knot and not knot could be asked.

What ties a mode of thought, a world
with a view, viewing this and that
could be mentioned in a text.

The Zhuangzi, once upon a time,
had a name that named it.

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aye posted:

The Zhuangzi, once upon a time,
had a name that named it.

Nanhua zhenjing, oiu*A>tLft|o.
"True Scripture of Southern Florescence"
"True Classic of Nanhua"

One wonders, where or what was Nanhua.

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one posted:

aye posted:

The Zhuangzi, once upon a time,
had a name that named it.

Nanhua zhenjing, oiu*A>tLft|o.
"True Scripture of Southern Florescence"
"True Classic of Nanhua"

One wonders, where or what was Nanhua.

A bot reiterates: In the context of the Zhuangzi,
Nanhua (oiu*A>) is an honorific title that translates
to "Southern Florescence" or "Southern Flower."

Eye wonders, why Southern.

Wasn't Zz from Song, an Eastern state
once upon a time after the Zhou were not.
Or was he from Chu, as was Lao Tzu.
Unless neither were either.

When the Warring States were at war,
and the realm that is now was not,
did all the people say hooray.

Did they define their identity by lines
on maps or a dynasty that ruled them.

Or, were people simply people and
what name the land was called was
simply the name of a ruling clan.

Tribal thinking occurs.
Our tribe is the best.
Our party, the most.

Us and them reminds me of pink.
Between the green and other fives.
Hunting is said to be a driver.

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eye posted:

A bot reiterates: In the context of the Zhuangzi,
Nanhua (oiu*A>) is an honorific title that translates
to "Southern Florescence" or "Southern Flower."

Eye wonders, why Southern.

The bot continues:
<< the South is associated with the element of fire,
summer, and the peak of vital energy (yang). It represents
a state of "radiance" or "blooming" (hua). >>

That's curious as Daojia typically leans toward yin, shade
and like water could be yang yet seeks other wise.

<< Spiritual Meaning: The term "Southern Florescence"
metaphorically describes Zhuangzi as a "great teacher of the heart"
whose wisdom helps the spirit "bloom" and wander freely. >>

To wander freely sounds rite.

Wasn't Zz from Song, an Eastern state
once upon a time after the Zhou were not.
Or was he from Chu, as was Lao Tzu.
Unless neither were either.

<< ... Zhuangzi was a native of Meng
in the Kingdom of Song during the turbulent
Warring States period ... . The State of Song
in his time was characterized by extreme political
volatility, shifting leadership, and eventual annihilation. >>

<< While he was from Song, his work shows deep connections
to the culture of the southern State of Chu, leading some
scholars to view him as a figure of the "borderlands"
between central and southern ... cultures. >>

Tribal thinking occurs.
Our tribe is the best.
Our party, the most.

Reminds one of the time a ruler asked Zz
if he'd help rule the country. Zz responded
in terms of a sacred tortoise who had holes
drilled in his shell.

Hun Dun rides again!

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one posted:

<< ... Zhuangzi was a native of Meng
in the Kingdom of Song during the turbulent
Warring States period ... . The State of Song
in his time was characterized by extreme political
volatility, shifting leadership, and eventual annihilation. >>

<< While he was from Song, his work shows deep connections
to the culture of the southern State of Chu, leading some
scholars to view him as a figure of the "borderlands"
between central and southern ... cultures. >>

Saying Zz was between central and southern cultures
may suggest there were at least two types at the time.

Perhaps northern, eastern and western as wells. Five,
if that form means there were and the fives, well,
they tend to carry meanings as wells.

Now a daze, people might choose to combine them all
like having a single ring of a sort similar to a lord,
akin to a pope unless Pope should be with a big letter.

Once upon a time there was a clan that rode horses
and swept across much of the land for a spell.

Horse culture reminds me of the Zhuangzi
except the rulers who ruled at the time
of Mongolian domination were different.

Maybe the horses didn't care.

Or, given the Zhuangzi they may
have preferred to have not been ridden.

A horse is a horse, of course and yet
there was a guy who attached color
and suggested those weren't.

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Gree fan posted:

a strategic trap

<< begin quotes from a bot >>

To the Han-centric worldview,
this isn't necessarily about "owning" people,
but rather a belief in a civilizational center
to which others naturally gravitate.

Here are the four main pillars of that mindset:

1. The "Middle Kingdom" Complex (Zhongguo)
For millennia, China viewed itself as the center of the world.
Under the Tributary System, neighboring groups weren't seen as equal
sovereign nations but as "barbarians" who could only become "civilized"
by adopting Han culture. This created a long-standing belief
that Han culture is the universal standard for the region.

2. The Concept of Huaxia
The term Huaxia represents the idea of China as a civilizational state
rather than a mere nation-state. Historically, anyone who adopted Han rituals, language, and Confucian ethics was considered "Chinese."
This led to a mindset where assimilation is viewed as a "gift"
or a path to progress, rather than the erasure of an identity.

3. "Unity" as a Moral Absolute
In Chinese history, periods of division are associated with chaos,
famine, and war. Therefore, the CCP's "Great Unity" (Dayitong) policy
treats ethnic diversity as a potential threat to national security.
To the state, "absorbing" others is seen as a moral necessity
to prevent "splittism" and ensure the survival of the country.

4. Modern Han Nationalism
Since the late 19th century, leaders like Sun Yat-sen
promoted the idea of the "Five Races Under One Union,"
which supposedly unified Han, Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans, and Muslims.

However, in practice, this has evolved into Han-centrism,
where the other four groups are expected to align with Han norms
to be considered truly "patriotic."

In short, itrCOs a collision between a civilizational ego (we are the center) and a political obsession with stability (unity at all costs).

While the state frames this as "ethnic harmony,"
many minority groups experience it as cultural erasure.

<< end of quotes from a bot >>

Mind-sets vary.

To paint a people, an ethnicity, a geographical
area or a realm in a land called by a name, be it
China, the EU, the West or any other ming is possible.

The DDJ begins with a few words about dao
and then a few more about ming.

The first several verses go on
versus stopping at those points.

Yu and Wu may be two sides of a coin
of a realm near and far, a Way of a sort.

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some body posted:

Gree fan posted:

a strategic trap

<< begin quotes from a bot >>

To the Han-centric worldview, ...
...
While the state frames this as "ethnic harmony,"
many minority groups experience it as cultural erasure.

<< end of quotes from a bot >>

Mind-sets vary.

To paint a people, an ethnicity, a geographical
area or a realm in a land called by a name, be it
China, the EU, the West or any other ming is possible.

Tis a common theme among people on the surface
of the pale blue dot which could remind someone of
how certain faces were told uncertain things.

The pale face people began to circulate more
than once upon a time and it was assimilate
or perish. To assimilate meant language and
customs of religion, rites and rituals.

In the future was the Borg.
Resistance was futile.

The DDJ begins with a few words about dao
and then a few more about ming.

The first several verses go on
versus stopping at those points.

Yu and Wu may be two sides of a coin
of a realm near and far, a Way of a sort.

- thanks! Cheers!
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someone posted:

some body posted:

Gree fan posted:

a strategic trap

Mind-sets vary.

The pale face people ...

Indigenous people vary.

A saying was, among the people,
pale-face go home. Red face people
had lived for ten thousand years where
others had yet to arrive at least
once upon a time.

Some accounts refer to a land-bridge
while others suggest people sailed across
the Peaceful Ocean as it came to be known, the
Pacific, from the islands where an eye lands.

Early Californians. Ancient Californians.
Prior to when Hispanic people who spoke a
language unknown to the tribes that inhabited
Turtle Island, speakers of many languages were.

In the future was the Borg.
Resistance was futile.

Aye does not-speak Borg.

Aye is Groot.

The DDJ begins with a few words about dao
and then a few more about ming.

The first several verses go on
versus stopping at those points.

Yu and Wu may be two sides of a coin
of a realm near and far, a Way of a sort.

- awesome! aye. Cheers!
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