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Another thread prompted a recollection.
Asking a form of ChatGPT about Neo-Taoism:

<< begin quote from a bot >>

Philosophical Neo-Taoism (Xuanxue, rCLDark LearningrCY)
This was the core form. It reinterpreted Daoist classics
like the Daodejing and Zhuangzi, often blending them
with Confucian ideas. Key figures include Wang Bi and He Yan.
Focus was metaphysics, nature (ziran), non-action (wuwei),
and being vs. non-being.

<< end of quote >>

Aye seams to remember another form as a well.

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aye posted:

Another thread prompted a recollection.
Asking a form of ChatGPT about Neo-Taoism:

Bots are known to not know.

Dark Learning compared to Pure Conversation
may have been categorized by Fung Yu-Lan.

Hsuan-Hsueh/Xuan-Xue being the former.

Eye forgets the term for the latter.
Wait. Ching Tan or Qing Tan.
Wine arrives in mind
at this time.

- thanks! Cheers!
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eye posted:

aye posted:

Another thread prompted a recollection.
Asking a form of ChatGPT about Neo-Taoism:

Bots are known to not know.

Yes. They argh.
Like pirates.
Because. Well, hmmm.
They don't always argh.

Dark Learning compared to Pure Conversation
may have been categorized by Fung Yu-Lan.

Once upon a time, in Usenet, a long
a round 1995-1997 or so, scholars
were known to frequent this place.

Some of them knew quite a lot.

Hsuan-Hsueh/Xuan-Xue being the former.

Their domain and range was vast.

Eye forgets the term for the latter.
Wait. Ching Tan or Qing Tan.
Wine arrives in mind
at this time.

Plenty of booze was obtained.
Dr'inks were on the house.

At times this group was called
the Bamboo Grove for a spell.

- thanks! Cheers!

Tis good to recollect.

Reminds one of the bad,
the ugly, the flames!

- Thanks! Cheers!
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someone posted:

eye'd recollected:

Wait. Ching Tan or Qing Tan.
Wine arrives in mind
at this time.

... the Bamboo Grove ...

Zh||l|!n Q-2 Xi|in (t2|uRuE+a*|n)

Gemini calls their form, "Wei-Jin Style"
and goes on a bit about that.

- aye. thanks! Cheers!
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someone posted:

eye'd recollected:

Wait. Ching Tan or Qing Tan.
Wine arrives in mind
at this time.

... the Bamboo Grove ...

Coincidentally or synchronistically,
mention was made this morning by two
old posters who are no longer here,
about cannabis being first found
in an area somewhere that was
before a myth called China
grew out of the ground.

- in a bamboo grove ...
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aye wrote:

about cannabis being first found
in an area somewhere that was
before a myth called China
grew out of the ground.

The study rCo the largest ever of the whole genomes
of cannabis plants, adding a further 82 genomes
to the 28 that had already been sequenced rCo
shows that cannabis was probably first domesticated
in early Neolithic times in the region of modern China
near its borders with Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan,
and from there spread as different varieties
around the world.

No idea how the Neo-Taoists got wine.
Where the grapes originated from.

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aye wrote:

No idea how the Neo-Taoists got wine.
Where the grapes originated from.

A form of Gemini says it:

" ... dates back 9,000 years to the Neolithic Jiahu site,
where a fermented mix of rice, honey, and fruit (like hawthorn/grape)
was made, but grape wine itself became prominent later,
especially during the Han Dynasty (206 BCErCo220 CE)
with Central Asian imports via the Silk Road,
evolving from ceremonial rice/millet wines (jiu)
into a symbol of status enjoyed by elites,
with diverse methods using grains,
herbs, and eventually grapes."
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aye posted:

aye wrote:

No idea how the Neo-Taoists got wine.
Where the grapes originated from.

A form of ChatGPT says:

<< They favored traditional Chinese grain wine, not grape wine.
Specifically, it was rice- or millet-based wine (huangjiu),
often referred to in texts as qingjiu (rCLclear winerCY).
This was a lightly fermented grain wine,
common in the WeirCoJin period,
drunk warm or at room temperature.

The Neo-Taoists and related figures
like the Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove
treated this kind of wine as part of cultivated spontaneity,
emotional expression, and withdrawal from rigid Confucian norms. >>

A form of Gemini says it:

" ... dates back 9,000 years to the Neolithic Jiahu site,
where a fermented mix of rice, honey, and fruit (like hawthorn/grape)
was made, but grape wine itself became prominent later,
especially during the Han Dynasty (206 BCErCo220 CE)
with Central Asian imports via the Silk Road,
evolving from ceremonial rice/millet wines (jiu)
into a symbol of status enjoyed by elites,
with diverse methods using grains,
herbs, and eventually grapes."

Interesting to me how the Wei-Jin period
followed the Han dynasty's decline.

A wonder is why what wine was
consumed rather than an other.

- know accounting for taste ... Cheers!
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A form of ChatGPT says:

<< They favored traditional Chinese grain wine, not grape wine.
Specifically, it was rice- or millet-based wine (huangjiu),
often referred to in texts as qingjiu (rCLclear winerCY).
This was a lightly fermented grain wine,
common in the WeirCoJin period,
drunk warm or at room temperature.

The Neo-Taoists and related figures
like the Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove
treated this kind of wine as part of cultivated spontaneity,
emotional expression, and withdrawal from rigid Confucian norms. >>

Interesting to me how the Wei-Jin period
followed the Han dynasty's decline.

A wonder is why what wine was
consumed rather than an other.

<< Grain wine had been the everyday elite drink for centuries.
Customs, poetry, and ritual already revolved around huangjiu.
That momentum mattered more than novelty.

Availability and scale
Grape wine existed, but it was limited and regional,
often linked to frontier areas or foreign contacts.
Huangjiu was easy to produce locally,
in large quantities, year after year.

Taste and strength
Huangjiu was aromatic, mildly sweet, and warming.
It suited long drinking sessions, conversation,
and poetic improvisation better than the sharper,
often harsher grape wines of the time.

Cultural meaning
Neo-Taoist rCLsentimentalrCY drinking emphasized spontaneity,
emotional release, and cultivated ease.
Huangjiu already carried those associations.
Grape wine lacked that symbolic depth in elite culture.

... fermentation techniques were optimized for grains.
Grape wine quality was inconsistent and harder to preserve,
making it less attractive for refined settings.

So the choice was ... about culture, taste, symbolism,
and practicality aligning around huangjiu. >>

Learning and forgetting.
Sitting and forgetting
suggests a knowing was.

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