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This has been big recently so I'm going to jump on
the bandwagon -- "Back" on the bandwagon, I suppose,
as I had already been on it -- and add my 2 cents.

Or re-add it....

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/37931631449

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/7738633982

I don't think I mention it, and most of the recent
debunking of the "hitler died in the bunker" myth
don't mention it but, the Berlin bunker wasn't even
Hitler's bunker!

Hitler's bunker -- where the German high command was
relocated after the Russian's overran the Wolf's Lair
-- was the Maybach bunker!

THAT was the replacement of the Wolf's Lair! THAT
was the location of the high command AND the
communications hub of the German military!

So in addition to all the facts I spell out in the
above (and even earlier on usenet, I believe) there's
the fact that "The Bunker" wasn't even Hitler's!

Goebbels was Gauleiter of the Berlin area.

See, at the end of the war all the really important
cities were supposed to fight to the bitter end, and
they were all commanded by a loyal Nazi party Gauleiter.

Think of it as a "Governor," but a party office not a
civil office...

As Gauleiter of Berlin, Goebbels was in that bunker.

He was in that bunker, and even the official accounts
say he was there... there's video of his body being dug
up by the Russians!

So Goebbels was Gauleiter of Berlin, his "Duty" was to
hold out to the bitter end, he was in that bunker as a
fact and if you take the official version of Hitler's
death, erase "Hitler" and write in "Goebbels" then the
story exactly matches proven facts.

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...
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On 7/21/25 9:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/37931631449

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/7738633982

[...]

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...

Over the years, I've become more & more convinced that
Hitler was killed or rendered incapable of command in
the July Plot bombing at the Wolf's Lair.

It's not so far fetched.

The official account of Hitler's death is garbage. It's
rubbish. Apart from the fact that the British are always
fiercely protective of their aristocracy, and the original
author of the idiotic official version was a British
noble, I can't see any motive for this fraud. But it's a
fraud.

Ironically? EVERYBODY had a motive for perpetuating the
fraud....

The Nazi leaders needed Hitler in power. There was already
a coup attempt WITH Hitler, imagine if the German officer
class knew that the man they swore an oath to really was
dead?

So the Nazi officials needed Hitler to be alive... or for
everyone to believe he was alive.

The Americans? Well. We wanted all the loot and by "Loot"
I mean Nazi technology and scientists. And it worked!

BECAUSE the war was dragged out, the U.S. captured
Peenem|+nde -- even though it was in the Russian sector!
The U.S. was able to overrun and loot Peenem|+nde because,
with everyone believing that Hitler was alive, the war
dragged on under the Nazis and the Red Army was throwing
everything it had at Berlin.

THE BRITISH wanted to overrun as much of Europe as possible,
and keep it out of Russian hands. In the end it didn't work
too well because the U.S. and U.K. had already agreed on
what would fall under Russian control, and the U.S. had zero
interest in fighting Russia.

No, we still had Japan to defeat, the Russians were pretty
good allies, contributed way too much to the victory (Ike
make it clear that he believed that the Russians used too
many men and not enough smarts) and had no taste for war
against the Russians.

But, it sort of worked. Austria remained with the west and
Churchill got his way with Greece...

Stalin would benefit from a "Hitler is alive" even if he
were dead narrative. The war against Germany was making
him the master of territory he could only dream of! Amd
the Russians stole literally everything that wasn't nailed
down.

Wait. That's not true. They dismantled equipment, whole
factories and shipped them back to Russia!

It's long been said that, at the end of the war, the Germans
were dragging their feet, postponing surrender in order to
move west and surrender to Americans or other western allies.
So even the Germans who were NOT Nazis, maybe even sympathetic
to the July 20 plot had reasons to want to drag things out...

And we're not talking about a long time here.

IT WAS LESS THAN 10 MONTHS!

That's it; less than 10 months! During war time... in a Nazi
(fascist) state with no free press and an entire department,
a government ministry for "Propaganda."

That's it. If Hitler died in the July bomb plot, they only
had to keep it a secret for 10 months, under war time
secrecy & control on information...

It's NOT far fetched!

AND it was believed to be true back then! There was a lot
of British speculation that Hitler was dead...
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On 7/21/25 9:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

This has been big recently so I'm going to jump on
the bandwagon -- "Back" on the bandwagon, I suppose,
as I had already been on it -- and add my 2 cents.

Or re-add it....

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/37931631449

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/7738633982

So this is from a 2016 exchange I had on the topic.

I do wrong here. I spend more time dwelling on
motives instead of on facts.

This is what normally puts the "Kooky" into "Kooky
Conspiracy Theories."

People notice a problem with a claim, debunk that
claim and that's fine. But then they dream up all
sorts of "Theories" as alternative explanations and
if anyone can find a whole in them, or just junk
they sound a little off, they'll cling to the official
version you just debunked.

"Okay, so the Warren Commission is wrong, but you said
the mafia did it so I'm going to forget how you
debunked the Warren Commission and go back to believing
it."

So, with that in mind...

You've run straight into the problem of contamination.

See, in history, what is often the case is a great deal
is said & done AFTER the fact. Take the great fire
of London, for example. Did you know that for a great
many years it was attributed to Catholics in precisely
the same manner that the great fire of Rome was
blamed on Christians? But between then & now that
little element got "Cleaned up," so when modern
people attribute thoughts & motives to those who
were contemporaries to the fire, we never attribute
the conspiracies to them... even though most believed
them.

Okay, so you're doing that now with the Hitler thing.

The official version, the British version, the "World
at War" version of Hitler's death is about all you'll
ever read today. But it was by no means the first
version. Nor was it a particularly popular one even
a few decades ago.

The first published reports claimed that Hitler died
in a field hospital in Berlin!

Oh. And even the "World at War" version, which is
now the official version, is highly inconsistent. Take
Hitler's secretary that you raised. Her account
differs greatly from pretty much all others in that
Eva Braun wasn't even in the room with Hitler when
he died! And she heard the loud "Pop" of the gun,
while Hitler's body guard said there was no sound.

AND THEIR STORIES CHANGED!

Also, the arrows keep suspiciously pointing back
to the British! The story of Hitler's marriage, for
example, originates with the British, not the
Soviets who captured the bunker and everybody
in it, and not the survivors. The British "Recovered"
the marriage records soon after the war and far
away from the Bunker... exactly where they weren't
supposed to be.

My personal theory, which I don't think we should
raise, is that pretending Hitler died much later than
he did served a lot of agendas, though it was put
into place by the British.

See, the Germans wanted to drag out the war,
because they needed the time to move their
troops west so they could surrender to the
Americans. The Russians were brutal, and pretty
much every German prisoner of war (plus loads
of non-soldiers) were condemned to Soviet
slave labor for a period of YEARS.

So the Germans were highly motivated to keep
the war going, to pretend Hitler was alive.

It's no secret that the British were already fighting
WWIII long before the end of WWII. Churchill's
insane invasion of Greece was supposed to
advance up into eastern Europe, snatching it
out of Soviet hands.

Before WWII ended the allies settled on zones
of operations -- sectors. Just as Berlin was
divided between all the allies, Nazi controlled
Europe was as well. This was absolutely necessary
in order to keep the allied armies from attacking
each other...

"Friendly Fire."

It was also politically necessary. If we were
responsible for a sector then the Soviets couldn't
accuse us of allowing them to take heavy losses
by not entering a different sector...

Okay, so as the war was ending the allies in the
west, particularly the Americans, were doing WAY
better than originally anticipated. Quite frankly, we
were gobbling up territory that we had agreed to
leave to the Soviets. And we were looting all the
technology AND SCIENTISTS we could find! So
America had a lot of incentive to go along with any Let's-Postpone-Hitler's-Death scheme. The longer
the war dragged out, the more territory we
gobbled up, the more high technology & scientists
we got (and the Russians didn't).

And, of course, the British were the ones who were
always fighting WWIII in the first place. They needed
Hitler to not be dead YET because they didn't want
to just gobble up territory assigned to the Soviets,
they wanted to keep it! They wanted to keep the
Russians out!

Only Stalin lacked any real incentive to play along.
But, the Russian troops did! They had no choice.
Disappointing Stalin was a death sentence, and
Stalin wanted Hitler. So the Russian troops had
every incentive to "Find" Hitler no matter what. And
if their lives were on the line, the lives of their
German prisoners were on the line as well!

The Russian autopsy report wasn't published until
1968! And when it was it mirrored the myths!

It's no secret that the autopsy of Hitler claimed he
had only one testicle. But this was no revelation!
British propaganda had been making that claim
going back to the earliest years of the war! So
the 1968 autopsy report was telling people what
they already believed. It wasn't revealing anything
new...

And the Russians took a ridiculous number of
photos of Goebbles and his family! They even
shot movie footage! So there's photos of them
as found, movie footage of them as found and
even autopsy photos of all of them. But none of
Hitler!

The only human remains ever identified as Hitler's
turned out to belong to a woman. And as it
supposedly "Proved" a gunshot wound, it completely
contradicts all accounts of Hitler's death, as Eva
Braun was never supposed to have been shot!
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On 7/23/25 3:30 AM, JTEM wrote:

On 7/21/25 9:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

This has been big recently so I'm going to jump on
the bandwagon -- "Back" on the bandwagon, I suppose,
as I had already been on it -- and add my 2 cents.

Or re-add it....

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/37931631449

https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/7738633982

Okay so the "Official" narrative regarding Hitler's death
was written by a British noble by the name of Hugh
Trevor-roper. He was far from a competent man, never in his
life having conducted an investigation, and his "Findings"
relied *Heavily* on Erich Kempka, Hitler's chauffeur!

Fuel was practically non-existing, the Russians were storming
the city, shells falling everywhere so OF COURSE Hitler had
to keep his chauffeur there to the bitter end, right?

So this "Report," the so called "Finding" of Trevor-Roper
were all done, all nicely typed by... November, was it?

Without access to virtually EVERYBODY in Goebbels bunker,
certainly NOBODY that the Russians captured, he managed to
solve the mystery in nothing flat...

AGAIN: Take the official version, cross out the name
"Hitler" and write in "Goebbels" and you've got an exact
match.

It was Goebbels' torched body that the Russians found,
hastily buried in a bomb crater, his wife also burned and
buried. And just as the official account claims for Hitler,
Goebbels was less burned than his wife.

Yes, the official account says that Eva Braun was more
thoroughly burned that Hitler, and this was true of Goebbels'
wife and Goebbels...

So we have an incompetent inbred relying on questionable
testimony that just happened to "Solve" the mystery...

NOTE: It is simultaneously claimed that Stalin had most of
the living survivors of the bunker, he had Hitler's recovered
body AND he believed that Hitler was still alive and living in
the west...
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On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker, along
with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their bodies outside
and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight hours later the
Russians stormed the bunker.
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Dawn Flood wrote:

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...

You're crazy.-a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker, along
with his new wife.-a After that, Hitler's aides took their bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

they should've went to jail
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On 7/23/25 8:47 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

You're crazy.-a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker

According to some stories, yes. Others say he poisoned himself,
that they retrieved the glass from the capsule inside his mouth.

The first account of his death had him dying of wounds in a
field hospital, albiet very close by.

Another had him murdered, machine gunned, by S.S. guards.

But it wasn't even his bunker. Nope. After they evacuated the
Wolf's Lair they relocated to the Maybach complex.

Did you Google it? Of course not. You're a raging jackass!

"I'm repeating what I think I heard!"

along
with his new wife.

"I believe that with the Russians surrounding them, death stalking
them with every step, they prioritized Hitler's marriage papers."

After that, Hitler's aides took their bodies outside
and burned them, burying the cremated remains;

As I said, and you're *Far* too stupid to have read before
pretending to respond, THAT is what happened to Goebbels. In fact,
there's plenty of photos and even film of Goebbels and his wife.
There's even autopsy photos! Hitler? Nope. Nothing.

So you're placing Hitler at the wrong bunker AND describing what
we know is fact in the case of Goebbels, and you were too stupid
to even bother reading it before reacting...
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Dawn Flood wrote:

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...

You're crazy.-a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife.-a After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains;
eight hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

why did the new wife also have to die?

she could have made millions writing books about being with him.

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On 7/23/25 11:39 PM, jojo wrote:

why did the new wife also have to die?

she could have made millions writing books about being with him.

Let's start with the fact that it was the wrong bunker.

When they abandoned "The Wolf's Lair" due to Red Army advances,
they relocated to the MayBach complex.

You /Could/ argue any one of a number of bunkers!

There were plenty, and Hitler is known to have used them but
not the bunker in Berlin!

There isn't even a good case to be made for Hitler surviving
the July plot, much less being in charge...

There's a photo of someone holding up Hitler's pants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1972-025-64,_Hitler-Attentat,_20._Juli_1944.jpg

See those? Now Google Hitler's height and wight!

THERE IS NO WAY THOSE COULD BE HIS PANTS!

They clearly belong to a fat man much taller than Hitler!

There's film of Hitler visiting injured survivors of the
bomb plot, in hospital, but it was shot YEARS earlier! I
believe it was after the campaign in France...

Look at all the film of Hitler post bomb: No shake!

And then there's this:

https://erenow.org/ww/lastbattlebattleforberlin/9.php

Read the 2nd paragraph. Heinrici took command of the Army
Group Vistula -- which was what the meeting described there
was about -- in March of 1945. So Hitler was THERE in March
of 1945! Yet, the official account of his death had him in
the Berlin bunker starting in January!

How's that? Easy: He wasn't in Berlin. Goebbels was.

Or I should problem say that *If* Hitler was even alive
in January of 1945, he was in the Maybach complex, where
all the people and workings of the Wolf's Lair relocated
starting in January of 1945...
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 03:39:05 +0000, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by jojo <f00@0f0.00f>:

Dawn Flood wrote:

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still
alive...

You're crazy.a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife.a After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains;
eight hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

why did the new wife also have to die?

she could have made millions writing books about being with him.

Ever hear of suttee? Like those wives, it wasn't her choice
to make.

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the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

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On 7/23/2025 10:48 PM, JTEM wrote:

On 7/23/25 8:47 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

You're crazy.-a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker

According to some stories, yes. Others say he poisoned himself,
that they retrieved the glass from the capsule inside his mouth.

The first account of his death had him dying of wounds in a
field hospital, albiet very close by.

Another had him murdered, machine gunned, by S.S. guards.

But it wasn't even his bunker. Nope. After they evacuated the
Wolf's Lair they relocated to the Maybach complex.

Did you Google it? Of course not. You're a raging jackass!

"I'm repeating what I think I heard!"

along with his new wife.

"I believe that with the Russians surrounding them, death stalking
them with every step, they prioritized Hitler's marriage papers."

After that, Hitler's aides took their bodies outside and burned them,
burying the cremated remains;

As I said, and you're *Far* too stupid to have read before
pretending to respond, THAT is what happened to Goebbels. In fact,
there's plenty of photos and even film of Goebbels and his wife.
There's even autopsy photos!-a Hitler? Nope. Nothing.

So you're placing Hitler at the wrong bunker AND describing what
we know is fact in the case of Goebbels, and you were too stupid
to even bother reading it before reacting...

Oh, please, just name a SINGLE historian who agrees with your blather,
and if not, please go away.
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On 7/24/25 2:44 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

Oh, please, just name a SINGLE historian

How much of what I said did you Google?

This is how I know you're so mentally ill. You have this
compulsion, this need to dispute, to find conflict and you
don't even know what it is you're disputing. No clue what
so ever.

If there's anything SPECIFIC you want to pretend you are
disputing, spell it out. I will gladly humiliate you over
it.
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On 7/24/2025 1:59 PM, JTEM wrote:

On 7/24/25 2:44 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

Oh, please, just name a SINGLE historian

How much of what I said did you Google?

This is how I know you're so mentally ill. You have this
compulsion, this need to dispute, to find conflict and you
don't even know what it is you're disputing. No clue what
so ever.

If there's anything SPECIFIC you want to pretend you are
disputing, spell it out. I will gladly humiliate you over
it.

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On 7/24/25 3:05 PM, olcott wrote:

On 7/24/2025 1:59 PM, JTEM wrote:

On 7/24/25 2:44 PM, Dawn Flood wrote:

Oh, please, just name a SINGLE historian

How much of what I said did you Google?

This is how I know you're so mentally ill. You have this
compulsion, this need to dispute, to find conflict and you
don't even know what it is you're disputing. No clue what
so ever.

If there's anything SPECIFIC you want to pretend you are
disputing, spell it out. I will gladly humiliate you over
it.

It's actually quite relevant.

Have you done logic problems? You establish (or eliminate)
some facts and that, using logic, brings you to another
fact...

This is in a very real sense all about logic.

It's beyond question that the fate of Goebbels exactly matches
of myth of Hitler's death -- place, manner AND the disposal of
the body.

We can show that Hitler's headquarters were at a different
bunker, located to the Maybach complex from the Wolf's Lair.
This was near but not within Berlin.

We have plenty of evidence for the people who were there, that
were found -- photos and film from the scene and even autopsy
photos -- but none for Hitler. There was an "Autopsy" report
that came out much, Much, MUCH later but the only human remains
associated with it were tested and found to not even be male...

The man who authored the Hitler death fantasy had never conducted
an investigation, his report relied heavily (some say almost
entirely) on an "Witness" who was considered unreliable even
amongst his own fellow Nazis.

Stories have changed a great deal over time. People are
misidentified. The woman identified as Hitler's secretary was
not his secretary, and her story differed greatly from other
accounts -- she claimed that Eva Braun was alive and spoke to
her AFTER Hitler's death, for example -- but her story changed.

The last surviving "Witness?" Originally he said that Hitler
was killed by S.S. guards.
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"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:105rvq5$15ge9$2@dont-email.me...

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker, along
with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their bodies outside
and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"Update: CIA just confirmed in declassified Argentina files
that HITLER LEFT GERMANY and went to Argentina
after WW2." https://tinyurl.com/2sxhbzm2





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Andrew wrote:

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:105rvq5$15ge9$2@dont-email.me...

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy.-a Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his
bunker, along with his new wife.-a After that, Hitler's aides
took their bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated
remains; eight hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina where he
spent the rest of his remaining days."
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"Update: CIA just confirmed in declassified Argentina files that
HITLER LEFT GERMANY and went to Argentina after WW2." https://tinyurl.com/2sxhbzm2

do you think he is still alive?

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On 7/27/25 10:30 AM, Andrew wrote:

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

That's a conclusion, or an explanation.

If you didn't notice, and there's an excellent chance that you did,
most kooky conspiracy theories turn kooky on their explanations.

Take the Warren Commission, for example.

Few people have failed to rip the Warren Commission apart. That thing
is so full of holes you can drive a truck through it, sideways. But...

But few people stop there. They shred THIS and THAT claim of the Warren Commission, slice through any number of links in that chain, only to
conclude with some bat shit kooky counter explanations...

https://www.amazon.com/Nasa-Nazis-JFK-Document-Assassination/dp/0932813399/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=cRqQ6&content-id=amzn1.sym.0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_p=0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_r=144-5416597-6793318&pd_rd_wg=jpmC7&pd_rd_r=1247c8f4-5ac9-4f66-8fda-6e305f978280&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk

The point is, if you just knock down the lie of the Warren Commission,
you convince people.

People tend to "Throw out the baby with the bath water." If you ask
them to believe a crazy counter explanation, they see THAT as the
price of agreement with your deconstruction of the Warren Commission,
so even though you trounced it they cling on...

This is why I avoid the "Hitler went to South America" crap.

Truth is, I have no idea if he even survived! I personally believe there
was a 50% chance or better that he died in the July of 44 bomb plot.

And I'll explain why if you want but, it's a moot point.

My point is that the official narrative, the official fairy tale of
where, when & how Hitler died, and what happened to his body, is abject rubbish.

That's it. That's all I'm making clear here:

#1. The Berlin bunker was the wrong bunker! Hitler's Wolf's Liar
moved to the Maybach complex, less than 20 miles from Berlin but NOT in
Berlin. He moved there in January. He was there in March. The official narrative has him in the Berlin bunker in January, which is wrong!

#2. The Berlin bunker was Goebbels' bunker! He was Gauleiter of
Berlin. He was supposed to oversee not the city's defenses but it's
fight to the last man. HIS death exactly matches the official account
of Hitler. Killed, set on fire, buried... his wife with him...

WE HAVE PHOTOS! We have film of the Russians collecting his body.
There's no Hitler in any of the photos or movie footage. THERE'S
AUTOPSY PHOTOS! None of Hitler. They autopsied the bodies found, Hitler
is not present.

#3. Disinformation! There's photos of someone holding up "Hitler's
Pants" after the July bomb plot. It is literally impossible to be
Hitler's pants. GOOGLE IT! Google his height and weight! The pants
belonged to someone MUCH larger than Hitler!

There's footage of Hitler supposedly visiting the survivors of the
bomb plot in hospital. It's a lie. The footage was shot early in the
war, after the French campaign.

I saw a photo of empty fuel cans identified as the ones used to burn
Hitler's body. Fine. Where were the ones used to burn Goebbels? Hos
wife? What about fuel for the bunker itself?

#4. The "Investigation" was rubbish. It was conducted by some inbred,
idiot British noble who relied heavily (some say almost exclusively)
on an "Eye Witness" who wasn't considered credible even by his own
fellow Nazis!

All the Berlin bunker survivors were in Russian hands, and they didn't
give the British access to any of them. The "Report" was done by
November of 1945, years before the Russians released anything.

#5. Actions speak louder than words!

The U.S. government didn't believe Hitler was found and actively
searched for him. The present narrative says that Stalin had the
body, was keeping it all secret AND suspected that the allies had
Hitler alive...

#6. Hitler's remains turned out to be female.

The skull fragment identified as belonging to Hitler were tested
and determined to belong to a woman. Not Hitler.

So Hitler wasn't there, he was in a different bunker, and the
story of his demise was bullshit.

"Update: CIA just confirmed in declassified Argentina files that HITLER
LEFT GERMANY and went to Argentina after WW2."-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a https://
tinyurl.com/2sxhbzm2

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On 7/27/25 12:27 PM, jojo wrote:

do you think he is still alive?

I suspect that he never survived the bomb plot.

If he lived he would likely NOT have been fit to command.

The funny thing is, dead or alive, as long as the orders
are coming from "The Fuhrers" headquarters, had his name
on them, nobody would no the difference. Hitler made almost
no public appearances since the loss at Stalingrad, which
was early 1943, faking his voice would be easy...

It's not far fetched. Look at Biden; clearly had his issues
and with the help of an autopen nobody was the wiser... for
a while.

We're talking a Nazi state! Germany is repressive towards
opposition TODAY, right now, and we're speaking of under
the Nazis and during a war they were losing, when they
regularly executed people for some much as speaking out in
opposition. They could keep things quite.

IT WAS ONLY 10 MONTHS! A little less than that.

If Hitler died or was incapacitated in the July plot, it
was a little less than 10 months until they announced his
death. They only had to fake his being alive and/or healthy
for less than 10 months. A repressive Nazi regime. Under
war time conditions.

IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HARD!
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"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:yKqhQ.6589$6occ.6230@fx07.ams4:

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:105rvq5$15ge9$2@dont-email.me...

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight
hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this.......


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On 7/27/2025 9:07 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:yKqhQ.6589$6occ.6230@fx07.ams4:

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:105rvq5$15ge9$2@dont-email.me...

On 7/21/2025 8:39 PM, JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight
hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this.......

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On 7/27/25 10:07 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this.......

The point you're missing is that they were looking, they were
collecting leads... checking them out.

Why would they if they knew Hitler was dead?

It's the officials, the governments, the people with power who
create conspiracy theories. A person would have to be a raging
idiot to spend so much as 5 minutes researching the Warren
Commission and NOT conclude it is rubbish!

Nobody who spends even five minutes researching the official
account of Hitler's death is capable of believing it!

This INVITES speculation. They are lying to us: Why?
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB329D6204E6B4629555@69.80.102.19...

"Andrew" wrote:

"Dawn Flood" wrote:

JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight
hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
tps://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this

So you revert to the "official narrative". Because
your place is to remain with the ''gullible masses''.

I used to think that atheists were "free thinkers".

However I soon found out that, that was not true.

In this world it is important to think for ourselves,
and not just follow the crowd. Especially in issues
involving health, religion and politics.

Yes, it is true that atheists have their own religion
requiring them to have..great faith.

Because they believe (by faith) that our entire
Universe originated from a primordial cosmic
egg that was infinitely smaller than this little
dot.

-------> . <--------


Contrary to the known laws of science, as well as
common sense and basic logic. It is their 'religion'.
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"JTEM" wrote in message news:10661oe$353ra$1@dont-email.me...

My point is that the official narrative, the official fairy tale of
where, when & how Hitler died, and what happened to his body,
is abject rubbish.

The "official narrative" is usually presented by those having an
agenda to spin. And is readily received by the "gullible masses";
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"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:dCEhQ.52396$ert7.30891@fx16.ams4:

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB329D6204E6B4629555@69.80.102.19...

"Andrew" wrote:

"Dawn Flood" wrote:

JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight
hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
tps://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this

So you revert to the "official narrative". Because
your place is to remain with the ''gullible masses''.

Christians accusing others of being gullible.

Sheesh............

I used to think that atheists were "free thinkers".

However I soon found out that, that was not true.

In this world it is important to think for ourselves,
and not just follow the crowd. Especially in issues
involving health, religion and politics.

Religion doesn't want people who
think for themselves, it wants believers.

Yes, it is true that atheists have their own religion
requiring them to have..great faith.

Because they believe (by faith) that our entire
Universe originated from a primordial cosmic
egg that was infinitely smaller than this little
dot.

-------> . <--------

That is what the evidence shows.

Contrary to the known laws of science, as well as
common sense and basic logic.

Modern Christian: Someone who believes
in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and a
global flood and who accuses others of
"believing in things without real proof"







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On 7/28/25 2:18 AM, Andrew wrote:

The "official narrative" is usually presented by those having an
agenda to spin. And is readily received by the "gullible masses";
especially our atheist friends.

None too sure that the self imposed elite are any smarter than
the unwashed masses....

I mean, if they were any smarter than us, would they have to
labor so hard to dumb us down? That's what you do when you're
NOT any smarter, when you need an advantage and don't have one!

My point is that whatever reason they had to come up with a
fake Hitler narrative, THAT WAS 80 YEARS AGO! Nobody's agenda
is being served. The self imposed elite, being just as stupid as
everybody else, are fine with believing yesteryear's lies.

Take that photo of a man holding up what are supposed to be
Hitler's pants, damaged by the July bomb plot: I've posted it
numerous times -- several times right here -- plus elsewhere,
different threads, different groups and even different websites,
and NOBODY has ever said, "Gee. You've got a point."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1972-025-64,_Hitler-Attentat,_20._Juli_1944.jpg

Or... "You're right!"

Or... "Say, I Googled it, just like you said, and Hitler wasn't
anywhere near that large!"

Nobody.

You could publish a photo of an arthritic elephant, label it
"Hitler's corpse" or "Global Warming" or "proof of Out of Africa"
and people will believe it.

"It says it! Right there! Proof of Out of Africa! So Out of Asia
or Aquatic Ape is proven wrong!"
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On 7/28/25 9:00 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:

Modern Christian: Someone who believes
in dragons, unicorns, talking snakes and a
global flood and who accuses others of
"believing in things without real proof"

So you denounce abiogenesis. Right? Because it's never been
observed in nature and every last abiogenesis hypothesis
that has ever been tested has been falsified.

And you denounce Darwin. Correct? Because the Darwin all
the morons believe in never existed. The real Darwin was
a flatulent racist, plagiarist who "Argued" what passed
for logic in his mind, never practiced science. His one
and only "Theory" was called Pangenesis and it was utter
rubbish: Pseudo scientific idiocy!

WORSE!

Darwin didn't even believe in evolution! Sure he did use
the word... eventually. But you've come across COUNTLESS
people misunderstanding & misusing words. Darwin's
Pangenesis was in line with the later communist world
which didn't just reject but OUTLAWED evolution! They
plagiarized the same Lamarck that Darwin plagiarized,
called their version "lysinkoism."

CO2 was literlaly twice as high as it is now when
Antarctica froze over. And 130,000 years ago or so it
was much lower yet it was hotter, sea level was maybe
16 feet higher... Neanderthals rules Europe.... Oh, yes,
the "CO2 controls our climate" idiocy was never ever
even remotely similar to the truth.

Be honest: Which of these facts did you Google and
which did you reject because you BELIEVE, because you're
dogmatic and your high priests in the media ordered you
to believe?
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB32A509D48B2A629555@69.80.101.14...

"Andrew" wrote:

"Mitchell Holman" wrote:

"Andrew" wrote:

"Dawn Flood" wrote:

JTEM wrote:

Hitler? He would never have been in that bunker. He was
18km away in the Maybach bunker, if he was even still alive...

You're crazy. Adolph Hitler blew his brains out, in his bunker,
along with his new wife. After that, Hitler's aides took their
bodies outside and burned them, burying the cremated remains; eight
hours later the Russians stormed the bunker.

Argentina evidence from the FBI and the CIA..

"FBI documents recently released suggest that Adolf Hitler
made his escape from a bunker in Germany to Argentina
where he spent the rest of his remaining days."
https://tinyurl.com/4znsvxbe

"Update: CIA just confirmed in declassified Argentina files
that HITLER LEFT GERMANY and went to Argentina
after WW2." https://tinyurl.com/2sxhbzm2

"The identity of the informant was not
revealed in the FBI documents"

Even Elvis sightings have more credibility
than this

So you revert to the "official narrative". Because
your place is to remain with the ''gullible masses''.

I used to think that atheists were "free thinkers".

However I soon found out that, that was not true.

In this world it is important to think for ourselves,
and not just follow the crowd. Especially in issues
involving health, religion and politics.

Religion doesn't want people who
think for themselves, it wants believers.

Therefore here in this post, you identify
yourself as a 'believer', and a 'religious'
man!

Yes, it is true that atheists have their own religion
requiring them to have..great faith.

Because they believe (by faith) that our entire
Universe originated from a primordial cosmic
egg that was infinitely smaller than this little
dot.

-------> . <--------

That is what the evidence shows.

So there you have it folks. Mitchell IS a 'believer'!
Contrary to the known laws of science, as well as
common sense, and basic logic. It is his *religion*.










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