On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 01:27:21 -0700, Kenito Benito
<Kenito@Benito.naw> in alt.atheism with message-id ><v986gkd439tjsssuo8cn84hgspuvtt26ja@4ax.com> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 16:06:02 -0400, Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 22:56:41 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
in alt.atheism with message-id
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Plenty of mainstream people believe
in retrocausality i.e. backwards time travel.
Does this mean I can save time by getting up before I go to
bed?
If you're a tachyon. Since they are, at best, hypothetical, you
can't.
Much like the subject of many posts here. Hypothetical.
On 10/30/2025 3:26 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 13:32:48 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/25 8:11 AM, Dawn Flood wrote:
Show me the experimental evidence and I will believe! (Well, sort of.) >>>> No evidence means no belief; it's that simple!
Why?
Because it befalls you to support your delusion. Since there is
no evidence, you can only try to divert, as I commanded you to do.
Yep!! Sometimes no evidence for something is due to that something not >being real.
On 10/30/25 10:49 AM, Nathan Smith wrote:
Your a ableist fuck and
Oh. So you need the world to bend a knee every time you tie
on your crazy.
No. You are in control of yourself. It's always your choice.
Post intelligent, rational things and you are intelligent &
rational. It's that simple.
Stop making yourself out to be a needy, crazy fuck.
Make a different reality. Because you own your disordered ass.
YouYou're batshit crazy, and not just dumber than a box of rocks.
On 10/30/25 13:20, JTEM wrote:
On 10/30/25 10:49 AM, Nathan Smith wrote:
Your a ableist fuck and
Oh. So you need the world to bend a knee every time you tie
on your crazy.
No. You are in control of yourself. It's always your choice.
Post intelligent, rational things and you are intelligent &
rational. It's that simple.
Stop making yourself out to be a needy, crazy fuck.
Make a different reality. Because you own your disordered ass.
Yes everyone has a different viewpoint of what they
consider to be 'rational or 'sane'.
Usenet is generally free if you don't want images or sound. But
people only want images and sound. Strangely enough that is what they consider to be 'true'.
On 10/30/25 4:29 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:11:03 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/25 4:36 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not 10 years old.
Happy birthday. You're finally 11 years of age.
Oh, wait. Maybe you're telling everyone reading you're not yet 10 >>>>>>years old. Are you under 10, or did you recently turn 11? Or is this >>>>>>another example of you doing as I command; to divert from reality?
You still haven't told me, and everyone else reading, what gives >>>>>>you cause to think expressing, on Usenet, the intense HATE you hold >>>>>>for you mom is appropriate. Will you do so now, or do you still NEED >>>>>>to follow my command to divert from reality?
Thanks. Those would not be the two words I'd choose to say to
you....
There are far more than two words above.
No, you messed up spazz, you're supposed to be specific.
You want me to count every word?
You're batshit crazy
What I consider to be true
How so? You are the one who thinks I only posted two words.
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 00:27:26 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/30/25 4:29 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:11:03 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/25 4:36 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not 10 years old.
Happy birthday. You're finally 11 years of age.
Oh, wait. Maybe you're telling everyone reading you're not yet 10 >>>>>>>years old. Are you under 10, or did you recently turn 11? Or is this >>>>>>>another example of you doing as I command; to divert from reality? >>>>>>> You still haven't told me, and everyone else reading, what gives >>>>>>>you cause to think expressing, on Usenet, the intense HATE you hold >>>>>>>for you mom is appropriate. Will you do so now, or do you still NEED >>>>>>>to follow my command to divert from reality?
Thanks. Those would not be the two words I'd choose to say to >>>>>>you....
There are far more than two words above.
No, you messed up spazz, you're supposed to be specific.
You want me to count every word?
You're batshit crazy
How so? You are the one who thinks I only posted two words. Then
get upset because I didn't post the actual number.
Your use of projection has failed you. But do keep trying.
On 10/30/25 7:29 PM, x wrote:
On 10/30/25 13:20, JTEM wrote:
On 10/30/25 10:49 AM, Nathan Smith wrote:
Your a ableist fuck and
Oh. So you need the world to bend a knee every time you tie
on your crazy.
No. You are in control of yourself. It's always your choice.
Post intelligent, rational things and you are intelligent &
rational. It's that simple.
Stop making yourself out to be a needy, crazy fuck.
Make a different reality. Because you own your disordered ass.
Yes everyone has a different viewpoint of what they
consider to be 'rational or 'sane'.
Not really. No. If you're not interested in a topic or the
poster, don't read it. Acting out like a disordered child is
never a rational or sane choice.
...
People shouldn't be triggered by the fact that if faster than
light particles exist, they allow for messages to be sent
backwards through time.
As for you, I think that in general time travel as you
have mentioned it (other than the progression that people
may experience if they are not moving at near light speeds)
is speculative.
On 10/31/25 4:21 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 00:27:26 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/30/25 4:29 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:11:03 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/25 4:36 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not 10 years old.
Happy birthday. You're finally 11 years of age.
Oh, wait. Maybe you're telling everyone reading you're not yet 10 >>>>>>>>years old. Are you under 10, or did you recently turn 11? Or is this >>>>>>>>another example of you doing as I command; to divert from reality? >>>>>>>> You still haven't told me, and everyone else reading, what gives >>>>>>>>you cause to think expressing, on Usenet, the intense HATE you hold >>>>>>>>for you mom is appropriate. Will you do so now, or do you still NEED >>>>>>>>to follow my command to divert from reality?
Thanks. Those would not be the two words I'd choose to say to >>>>>>>you....
There are far more than two words above.
No, you messed up spazz, you're supposed to be specific.
You want me to count every word?
You're batshit crazy
How so? You are the one who thinks I only posted two words. Then
get upset because I didn't post the actual number.
Your use of projection has failed you. But do keep trying.
I do not subscribe to your mental illness
Kenito Benito <Kenito@Benito.naw> writes:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 00:27:26 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/30/25 4:29 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:11:03 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/29/25 4:36 PM, Kenito Benito wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not 10 years old.
Happy birthday. You're finally 11 years of age.
Oh, wait. Maybe you're telling everyone reading you're not yet 10 >>>>>>>>years old. Are you under 10, or did you recently turn 11? Or is this >>>>>>>>another example of you doing as I command; to divert from reality? >>>>>>>> You still haven't told me, and everyone else reading, what gives >>>>>>>>you cause to think expressing, on Usenet, the intense HATE you hold >>>>>>>>for you mom is appropriate. Will you do so now, or do you still NEED >>>>>>>>to follow my command to divert from reality?
Thanks. Those would not be the two words I'd choose to say to >>>>>>>you....
There are far more than two words above.
No, you messed up spazz, you're supposed to be specific.
You want me to count every word?
You're batshit crazy
How so? You are the one who thinks I only posted two words. Then
get upset because I didn't post the actual number.
Your use of projection has failed you. But do keep trying.
People like JTEM aren't worth our time. I should stop wasting my time
with this shitbag and you should to. JTEM will just bitch and cry about >anything that doesn't live up to their "standards" and there is nothing
we can do about it. We should leave them in a corner to do it alone.
On 10/28/25 4:04 AM, Kenito Benito wrote:
-a-a-a-a-a Happy birthday.
Thanks. Those would not be the two words I'd choose to say to
you....
If faster-than-light particles exist, we can send messages
backwards in time. Period.
Traditionally it's taught that, though theoretically possible,
time travel is effectively impossible. But only for humans!
Tachyons!
They're a particle that theoretically exist, these Tachyons,
and they do smash the time barrier!
Tachyons are a hypothetical/theoretical particle that moves
faster than light and hence backwards in time. If they do
exist, or can exist, then even if humans can't move backwards
through time our information can!
We can send messages to the past!
How far back?-a No clue.
So, assuming Tachyons are real then how does that help us
beat time?
#1.
Well. It all starts with detection. We need a means to detect
Tachyons. If Techyons are real then we should be able to
detect them, eventually.
NOTE:-a We do NOT have to detect Tachyons directly!-a "Detecting"
Tachyons means we have to know that they're there, perhaps
their direction and number but it does NOT mean we have to be
able to see them directly. An example of this is how we have
often been unable to detect a planet directly, but could
detect a dimming of a sun's light output as the planet passed
in front of it. So we detected a dimming, and hence knew there
was a planet present.
According to Google AI, which I place zero faith in, Tachyons
could be detected indirectly. WE can't see them, but we can
see the result of them moving through space/matter...
#2.
Once Techyons are detectable, you set up Tachyon detectors.
Spread them around, various "Safe" locations, maybe even place
one in orbit or the moon!
NOTE:-a Leave room!-a A thousand years from now somebody may
want to set up a Tachyon generator right in front of your
detector! They'll never reach the detector, because they'll
travel back in time, perhaps reaching your detector in the
past!
#3.-a Figure out how to generate Tachyons.
NOTE:-a This doesn't have to happen right away. Once you have
an accurate, reliable detector, you can set that up and maybe
start receiving messages from the future right away, and
certainly prior to inventing a Tachyon generator!
The messages are coming from the future. Doesn't matter what
we can do in the present...
#3.-a Figure out how to generate Tachyons.
Ideally you're going to generate Tachyons in a controlled way.
In other words, you can tap out Tachyons in a morse code or
even a binary code! Now you can send messages backwards in
time, though no further back than your first completed detector.
#4.-a You know where the Tachyon detectors are, right? So start
tapping out your messages to the past in morse code!
Warn them about any coming attack, natural disaster or crisis.
Send cures you've developed, technology you've developed and
maybe even the identities of criminals?
THE WORST problem in this scheme is that there may not be a
significant difference in time. It's entirely possible you
might be able to send a message at light speed to Mars and
then have Mars send it back to earth via Tachyon only to
arrive AFTER you sent it! But...
At light speed, signals moving to & from Mars would take
anywhere from 6 to 44 minutes round trip. Europa would
require a 90 minute round trip.... but think of this:
What if we get rid of people like Biden and replace them
with leaders who prioritize science over foreign wars? We
might actually get a mission to proxima centauri. Once
we're talking LIGHT YEARS then even a small increase over
light speed might shave months off of turn-around times!
I'm guessing, and you can tell me if I'm wrong if you want but,
I'm guessing that the greater the distance, the further back in
time the Tachyons travel. If so...
#5.-a Send information to as distant of a Tachyon detector as
you can, and then have it send it back to you. So if you have
a detector on proxima centauri, say, Tachyons might possibly
arrive BEFORE you send them, and when they beam it back you'
that will DOUBLE the time difference!
Okay, so it would likely take you DECADES to move a Tachyon
detector & emitter to proxima centauri. True. But you can
still be utilizing it the whole way there!
Right?
At Apollo Mission speeds it took 3 days to reach the moon. So,
in 6 days you could be twice as far as the moon! In 30 days
you can be 10x the distance to the moon!
And that's at 1960s Apollo Mission speeds!
The whole time the craft is in motion, on it's journey, you
could be using it. Your messages wouldn't go THAT far back in
time, I'm guessing, or maybe they will.
I'm honestly clueless about the nitty gritty here. I grasp
the "Big Picture" and none of the minutia. But I would be
willing to bet that the time-travel thing would start to
show benefit long before a dector/emitter sent to a distant
world even left our solar system...
So, maybe we can send messages decades or centuries backwards
in time, maybe we can send them in minutes. But think of this:
Even if all we might do is cut transmission times in half, that
shaves YEARS off a two-way message exchange between Earth and
proxima centauri.
What if we could send messages 15 minutes into our past? That
alone might stop an assassination, a terrorist attack or a
military strike.
And unlike faster than light spaceships, messages that travel
backwards in time are a real potential as we understand things.
The principles are rather simplistic. We can easily generate
electrons and photons. If we could figure out a way to generate
faster than light particles, we're effectively done.
That's it.
Perhaps in a future age when time travel was possible
then also perhaps somewhat earlier something like
'mind uploading' could be developed.-a In essence,
the configurations of connections between the neurons
could be copied, and when a computer simulation is
run based upon the copy then, that mind could do
something again in a simulated world as if the 'brain'
were still alive and the 'body' were still alive after
the death of that organism in space-time.
This would
be both 'mind uploading' and 'time travel' as possible
and real and provable.
-a Could it be mass produced for
millions or billions of humans upon death in some future
age?
Then again, maybe not.-a Perhaps all persons go to a fate
far worse than hell
On 11/1/25 3:40 PM, x wrote:
Perhaps in a future age when time travel was possible
then also perhaps somewhat earlier something like
'mind uploading' could be developed.-a In essence,
the configurations of connections between the neurons
could be copied, and when a computer simulation is
run based upon the copy then, that mind could do
something again in a simulated world as if the 'brain'
were still alive and the 'body' were still alive after
the death of that organism in space-time.
Why?-a How?
If I could upload your brain:-a Your memories, your
thoughts, your personality, all that is you -- why
would it think your body still exists?
Uploading a brain would be worse than hell. A copy of
you -- conscious, yes, but not actually a person --
would exists inside a computer, and would know
nothing but that computer.
How could you assume that it could even take control
of output devices and communicate? Or input devices for
that matter?
Google:-a Phantom pain
At best, that would be the world of your uploaded
duplicate.
This would
be both 'mind uploading' and 'time travel' as possible
and real and provable.
I don't see it.
It would be torture. Sure, it would be hideous torture,
subjecting a mind to that, but it's not time travel.
-a Could it be mass produced for
millions or billions of humans upon death in some future
age?
Oh, I get it:-a And you extort everyone!-a "Pay us or we'll
upload your consciousness to this hell."
Then again, maybe not.-a Perhaps all persons go to a fate
far worse than hell
New Jersey?
Did you ever watch the show "Upload?"
I told the roomie:-a "If this ever becomes possible, DO!
NOT!
Is something like 'life insurance' a bad idea?-a Who really knows.
On 11/4/25 5:18 AM, x wrote:
Is something like 'life insurance' a bad idea?-a Who really knows.
I don't see it as life insurance.
Even if it was an exact duplicate of your mind, inside of a computer, starting the moment it was copied it would follow a unique existence.
A year later, assuming the computer copy had yet to go completely
insane from the ordeal, it would no nothing but life inside of a
computer. It's perspective would be alien to you.
Food would be important to the real you. Air conditioning in the
heat, a warm fire in the cold of winter... sex?
A comfortable bed?
Even the relief of taking a piss!
None of these would exist for the copy of you. Life, what it means,--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
what is important would be all different.
All of these are sensations, which are the byproduct of
sensory nerves coming in from the eyes, ears, body, nose,
and tongue.
There is of course the standard question in philosophy,
how do you know you have not already been uploaded?
(The answer is that you do not know.)
Then of course there is the question - is there any
'you' when your body and brain have been eaten by
maggots (or you have been cremated).
Considering the fine resolution (high frequency)
microscopic level of reading required to do a copy,
I am not sure you could realistically do a copy
without destroying the original tissue.
On 11/4/25 6:38 PM, x wrote:
All of these are sensations, which are the byproduct of
sensory nerves coming in from the eyes, ears, body, nose,
and tongue.
Computers don't have sensory nerves.
A lot -- most/all -- of these "Upload" talk is based on the
myth that your mind would even be capable of interfacing
with a computer.
...
There you are playing with the word 'nerve'
rather than 'wire', but computers have an
array of input devices.
-ax wrote:
There you are playing with the word 'nerve'
rather than 'wire', but computers have an
array of input devices.
And your brain can't connect to any of them, and wouldn't
know how.
...
You'd have to "Upload" the entire human body, map every
last nerve ending so you know where to stimulate this
simulated brain.
...
Yup psychology is a religion that caters to atheists.
Typical response to 'minds might be different from
brains'.
On 11/5/25 11:54 AM, x wrote:
Yup psychology is a religion that caters to atheists.
Typical response to 'minds might be different from
brains'.
A brain is physical. You can see a brain. You can even touch
one, remove it from a body & examine it... study it. "The
Mind" is a reference to your thoughts, conscious and subconscious.
You can think of it as the difference between a TV and the shows
that you watch on it.
You can upload a show easy enough, but you can't watch it. You
need that physical screen.
Yea there are different levels of abstraction.-a Something notable
might be the context in which a statement is made.-a Notice your
last two sentences and how easily
On 11/6/25 1:11 PM, x wrote:
Yea there are different levels of abstraction.-a Something notable
might be the context in which a statement is made.-a Notice your
last two sentences and how easily
You seem to be very emotionally invested in a particular answer.
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