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I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself
alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:34:23 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

Could it be because if dual-boot goes wrong, it requires a certain degree
of knowledge to fix? Knowledge which unlikely to be present at the skill
level at which Ubuntu is targeted.
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On Tue, 11/11/2025 10:34 PM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install
itself alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting
a single option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

Oh, you mean the install sequence where the installer actually
works for the user? Hahaha.

How about if the installer had a two sentence description of
the neanderthal approach the distro individual has chosen to use.

"We boot on a Legacy only computer, and we do a UEFI secure
boot installation for the user, we suppress the GRUB errors
while doing so, wish the user well, and and... reboot".

I'm willing to bet, in the installer design studio, there
is a tick box that includes what you wanted (the "side by side" option),
and it has been unticked by someone.

Whatever rational thought went into installs five to seven
years ago, the thread has been lost and evolution is
now running backwards again.

It's much too soon, to be trimming the install sequence
down and making a non-functional basket case out of it.

I'm having to do "sistering installs", to get a result here.
Yes, the second install requires manual work, as you would expect.
The "Something Else" option is being used on the second install.

+-----+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+
| MBR | LM213 Legacy Boot install | Nasty/Obfuscated "UEFI install attempt" distro |
+-----+---------------------------+------------------------------------------------+
Tip upright with Yannbuntu Boot Repair DVD, if it doesn't work for you

The OSProber can pick up and rescue the half-baked distros.

I've had some recent sample distros, upon doing a "Something Else",
they dump you into GParted and tell you to "go right ahead,
just try and guess what set of partitions we want you to make".
Like if a distro helpfully offers "you should make a one megabyte BIOS Partition now",
what does that mean ? I bet Linux Grandma knows. But does Windows Grandma know ?
I think that might be a reference to some sort of GPT partition type for
that purpose. A person who is only familiar with Legacy installs
and Primary Partitions, isn't going to have a clue what the
install is blathering about.

At one time, the excuse was "we haven't finished writing the installer yet,
and it is what it is". Now, the excuse is "yes, we have this fine installer they did for us, and we are doing our utmost to ruin it".

Paul
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On 2025-11-11 11:43 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:34:23 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself
alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

Could it be because if dual-boot goes wrong, it requires a certain degree
of knowledge to fix? Knowledge which unlikely to be present at the skill level at which Ubuntu is targeted.

That is not even remoptely possibble since it's a prooven fact that
Linux uzers are all scientific geniuses.
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On 2025-11-12, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

I haven't installed ubuntu fresh since 22.04 (and in a VM at that, so it
stays legacy boot); it saw the other OS without any problems, and I had
the option to install alongside.

Two major problems come to mind:

1. mixed-modes (MBR/Legacy booted live session, GPT HDD; or
vice-versa)
2. Forgot to disable bitlocker (if the other OS is windows)
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 11:59:07 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

On 2025-11-11 11:43 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:34:23 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself
alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

Could it be because if dual-boot goes wrong, it requires a certain degree
of knowledge to fix? Knowledge which unlikely to be present at the skill
level at which Ubuntu is targeted.

That is not even remoptely possibble since it's a prooven fact that
Linux uzers are all scientific geniuses.

Linux-envy, anybody?
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On 2025-11-12 03:19 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:

On 2025-11-12, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself
alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

I haven't installed ubuntu fresh since 22.04 (and in a VM at that, so it stays legacy boot); it saw the other OS without any problems, and I had
the option to install alongside.

Two major problems come to mind:

1. mixed-modes (MBR/Legacy booted live session, GPT HDD; or
vice-versa)
2. Forgot to disable bitlocker (if the other OS is windows)

the current one (24.04.03) does not see the other os (mx linux) and it
insists on a manual repartition. does 22.04 give the option to dual boot?
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On Wed, 11/12/2025 3:41 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 11:59:07 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

On 2025-11-11 11:43 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 23:34:23 -0400, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:

I was testing Debian "Trixie" and it has an option to install itself
alongside your existing OS, and you can do this by selecting a single
option. But 'buntu makes you repartition your disk-drive manually.

Could it be because if dual-boot goes wrong, it requires a certain degree >>> of knowledge to fix? Knowledge which unlikely to be present at the skill >>> level at which Ubuntu is targeted.

That is not even remoptely possibble since it's a prooven fact that
Linux uzers are all scientific geniuses.

Linux-envy, anybody?

It's a 'leet population, fer sure.

It's all that building from source, that gives the peeps their skillz.

By the way, I saw a picture of Linux Grandma the other day!
Maybe we can have her picture put on some T-shirts.
"If she can do it, so can we".

Paul

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On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 20:03:00 -0500, Paul wrote:

It's all that building from source, that gives the peeps their skillz.

I wonder what type of person thinks building stuff from source requires
l33t sk1llz.

Could only be Dimdows users ...
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Ok, I just found out the reason there is not a dual-boot option is
because the OS didn't think that I had enough disk space left.

Not sure why I wasn't given a dual-boot option before since I had more
than enough disk space (over 40GB) to install Ubuntu, which only needs
26GB. (???)

So, after freeing up 140GB of disk space I now have the option to
install Ubuntu 24.04 alongside my current OS.
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