• HP Linux laptops story

    From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Feb 19 11:48:42 2026
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfMseGsyE4&t=155s

    Dell, and others following suite. annoying AI commentary, unfortunately
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Feb 19 00:58:20 2026
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    On Wed, 2/18/2026 7:48 PM, Axel wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfMseGsyE4&t=155s

    Dell, and others following suite. annoying AI commentary, unfortunately


    What are those companies going to do, when they have
    no RAM and no storage to put into computers ? I don't
    think it will matter much, how they attempt to play
    off OS companies against one another in a dive to the
    bottom.

    It's just possible for once, that Dell and HP are now
    irrelevant. Boxed in on many fronts simultaneously,
    and unable to escape. You'll notice people in the
    newsgroups are buying "mini-pcs", and where is
    the response from the established players ? Crickets.
    And it's crickets, because they can't compete. They
    don't want to make devices for $400, because there
    is no Lambo for the CEO if they do that.

    They're perfectly happy to make equipment for $1600,
    and then they're not counting their pennies. It's the
    same for Microsoft and their Surface product line.
    Happy to make Premium devices, not happy to dive
    to the bottom and make cheap stuff.

    You can get Chinese mini-PCs with Windows *Pro* on it.
    Riddle me how that is possible!

    This is one of the reasons Microsoft is going with
    the rentalOS as the Next Step. Then, HP has nothing
    to worry about, as the customer will foot the bill.
    This will also correct the dynamics of copies of
    Windows being available for $20 all over the place.
    Where DO all those licenses come from ? Again, people
    in the newsgroups have been buying those licenses
    for $20, and the licenses seem to be legit. When the
    rental scheme comes along, things will be quite different
    ... for the customer.

    I guess what the video tells us, is HP has poor
    negotiating skills when it comes to acquiring OEM
    licenses for PCs. The price estimate given, is ballpark
    what I would expect if someone were asked to estimate
    the price. But what's missing from the story, is
    the amount of volume discount you can negotiate,
    and especially in a time when the computed value
    of the OS is not very great. If a lot of the
    licenses are going for $20, HP is in the wrong business.
    They should sell flowers instead.

    Did you know, that for some retail software, you could
    negotiate a volume deal all the way down to *10%* of
    the retail price ? If Windows were $130 at retail, this would be $13.
    It all depends on the strengths of the two companies, and
    what their plans are. And Microsoft cannot go this time,
    without rent in the picture. Otherwise the shareholders will
    be most unhappy with the fortune squandered on LLM-AI.

    In current times, the situation is much too dynamic for
    this kind of Youtube-AI trash :-)

    *******

    I'm sick to death of all these videos splicing in pictures of
    Bill Gates. Here is why.

    https://www.quora.com/How-does-Bill-Gates-have-100-billions-in-stock-if-he-only-owns-1-of-Microsoft

    "Despite the explosion of Microsoft's market cap since 2017, Bill Gates' fortune
    has not exploded as much, currently standing at $117 billion.

    That's a lot of money, but it is not proportional to
    Microsoft's success in the stock market.

    The reason is simple: Microsoft shares are a minority in Bill Gates' portfolio.

    In Bill Gates' portfolio, Berkshire Hathaway shares of his friend
    Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway account for almost half.
    "

    In other words, Microsoft is about as important to Bill Gates,
    as his ranch is to him. Maybe they should splice in some
    pictures of worried pension fund execs :-)

    Mr.Gates is still investing, and while there is nominally
    a plan to give it away to charities, a lot of what he
    does isn't related to the charities thing.

    Paul


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  • From rbowman@bowman@montana.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Feb 19 06:04:44 2026
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    On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 00:58:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

    You can get Chinese mini-PCs with Windows *Pro* on it.
    Riddle me how that is possible!

    I was surprised when I bought a Beelink SER4 and it had Windows Pro on it.
    It didn't last too long. (the OS, not the mini. The mini is doing fine
    with Linux)
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Thu Feb 19 07:13:40 2026
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    On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 00:58:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

    What are those companies going to do, when they have no RAM and no
    storage to put into computers ?

    Users at least could look at the option of buying initial
    configurations with reduced RAM/storage, with a view to upgrading them
    later when prices and supplies ease.

    You couldnrCOt do this with Apple gear, for example.
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  • From keithr0@me@bugger.off.com.au to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 10:13:04 2026
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    On 19/02/2026 10:48 am, Axel wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfMseGsyE4&t=155s

    Dell, and others following suite. annoying AI commentary, unfortunately

    Been here before, many times, Linux has been going to supersede Windows
    for at lest the last 20 years.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 01:39:55 2026
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    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 10:08:52 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

    On 19/02/2026 5:13 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Users at least could look at the option of buying initial
    configurations with reduced RAM/storage, with a view to upgrading
    them later when prices and supplies ease.

    You couldnrCOt do this with Apple gear, for example.

    In many laptops these days, the RAM is not upgradeable. It is
    soldered to the motherboard.

    Seems there should still be a few choices yet <https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/18f3kx3/currentgen_laptop_with_upgradeable_memory_and_at/>.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Fri Feb 20 21:12:23 2026
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    On Fri, 2/20/2026 7:08 PM, keithr0 wrote:
    On 19/02/2026 5:13 pm, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 00:58:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

    What are those companies going to do, when they have no RAM and no
    storage to put into computers ?

    Users at least could look at the option of buying initial
    configurations with reduced RAM/storage, with a view to upgrading them
    later when prices and supplies ease.

    In many laptops these days, the RAM is not upgradeable. It is soldered to the motherboard.

    You couldnrCOt do this with Apple gear, for example.


    That was yet another experiment by Intel.

    And Intel did not like the results, from a
    business flexibility point of view.

    https://www.techspot.com/news/105407-intel-not-repeat-lunar-lake-integrated-memory-design.html

    "Lunar Lake Core Ultra 200V light mobile CPUs
    come with either 16GB or 32GB of memory built into the package."

    https://cdn.pokde.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/intellnlvleakscover.jpg

    "up to 32GB of LPDDR5X-8533"

    https://www.techpowerup.com/315941/intel-lunar-lake-mx-soc-with-on-package-lpddr5x-memory-detailed?cp=2

    "Depending on the processor model, the memory sizes on offer will be either
    16 GB or 32 GB, across a 160-bit dual-channel (4x sub-channel) interface.
    Memory speeds on offer will be as high as LP5X-8533. Intel is innovating
    what it calls a "memory side cache," which is an 8 MB fast SRAM cache
    located somewhere along the memory I/O"

    Each chip is the same width as a full DIMM (80 bits for DDR5 dual subchannel DIMMs).

    At the time, it seemed a bold move. and those two chips are stacked memory,
    so there are multiple dies inside.

    And that's quite a fat architecture when the CPU only has four performance cores.

    But there are other ways to do that.

    Paul
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 06:24:11 2026
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    On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 21:12:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And Intel did not like the results, from a business flexibility
    point of view.

    Trying to copy Apple, and (fortunately) failing ...
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  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 12:23:05 2026
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    At Sat, 21 Feb 2026 10:13:04 +1000, keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:

    On 19/02/2026 10:48 am, Axel wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfMseGsyE4&t=155s

    Dell, and others following suite. annoying AI commentary, unfortunately

    Been here before, many times, Linux has been going to supersede Windows
    for at lest the last 20 years.

    But: never before, has Linux been a subsystem for Windows.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 09:17:49 2026
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    On Sat, 2/21/2026 7:23 AM, vallor wrote:
    At Sat, 21 Feb 2026 10:13:04 +1000, keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote:

    On 19/02/2026 10:48 am, Axel wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPfMseGsyE4&t=155s

    Dell, and others following suite. annoying AI commentary, unfortunately

    Been here before, many times, Linux has been going to supersede Windows
    for at lest the last 20 years.

    But: never before, has Linux been a subsystem for Windows.


    That's how I run Linux Firefox here every day, in Windows.
    It's a rootless window on top of a graphics stack that
    includes "Terminal Server". GLXGears doesn't
    run all that fast on it, but you can run GLXGears on it too :-)

    Only people with some amount of Linux experience
    do that, as the Windows-side recipe for getting everything in
    place, you have to gather bits and pieces of recipe from
    here and there. That's not a One-Click-Install by any means.
    It's an adventure. Wear your hiking boots.

    Placing items in the Microsoft store (search on "Ubuntu"), that's just a tease. You've got to check your BIOS settings. The BIOS entry name was changed
    for no particularly good reason (I discovered a few weeks ago, that
    one of my machines didn't have VT-X turned on, and that's because
    a casual review of settings, you can miss that). Even the BIOS
    entry for XMP, some idiot changed that (likely involved lawyers
    and shit).

    In the end, it involves a lot of "OK, what's my next step".

    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you
    no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .

    Paul

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 21:13:44 2026
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    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 09:17:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you
    no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .

    Now that thatrCOs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itrCOs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 08:52:14 2026
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    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
    Paul wrote
    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you
    no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .
    Now that thatrCOs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itrCOs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.
    Just another pathetic little fantasy on that last
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 09:30:42 2026
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    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 08:52:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lawrence DAOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
    Paul wrote

    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you
    no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .

    Now that thatAs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itAs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.

    Just another pathetic little fantasy on that last

    I doubt if Rod Speed even uses a Windows computer
    Everyone including Bill Gates is dumping Windows in a big way

    Reports in late 2025 indicated that the Gates Foundation Trust
    significantly reduced its Microsoft stake by nearly 65% in the third
    quarter of 2025

    European governments are actively shifting from Windows to Linux and open-source tools to secure digital sovereignty, reduce high licensing
    fees, and enhance data privacy. Major transitions include Germany's Schleswig-Holstein moving 30,000 employees to Linux, Denmark's
    Ministry of Digital Affairs switching to LibreOffice, and the
    long-standing use of GendBuntu in France
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sat Feb 21 18:18:22 2026
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    On Sat, 2/21/2026 4:13 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 09:17:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you
    no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .

    Now that thatrCOs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itrCOs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.


    What's weird, is they dumped WSA and kept WSL.
    I guess the Android one wasn't magical enough.

    Having HyperV virtual machines running on Windows
    isn't an essential part, so the treatment of WSL
    won't be any different. It's possible that HyperV VM
    is a Windows Pro feature, rather than Windows Home.
    I tried to set it up one day, but HyperV wanted to
    grab the steering wheel away and drive, and I decided
    that was not my idea of fun. The experiment ended
    pretty quickly.

    In general, I don't get the feeling that the user base
    is all that interested in virtualization. I try to promote
    it, but the general response I get is "that's too techie".
    The VirtualBox interface comes the closest to something
    you can use. But it still has rough edges.

    Paul



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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 10:52:24 2026
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    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote
    Paul wrote
    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three days
    after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg so you>>>> no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .
    Now that thatrCOs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itrCOs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.
    Just another pathetic little fantasy on that last
    I doubt if Rod Speed even uses a Windows computer
    You'd be wrong about that.
    Everyone including Bill Gates is dumping Windows in a big way
    Bullshit
    Reports in late 2025 indicated that the Gates Foundation Trust
    significantly reduced its Microsoft stake by nearly 65% in the third
    quarter of 2025
    Irrelevant to what most use
    European governments are actively shifting from Windows to Linux
    Fuck all of them are actually doing that
    and
    open-source tools to secure digital sovereignty, reduce high licensing> fees, and enhance data privacy. Major transitions include Germany's
    Schleswig-Holstein moving 30,000 employees to Linux, Denmark's
    Ministry of Digital Affairs switching to LibreOffice, and the
    long-standing use of GendBuntu in France
    That is sweet fuck all
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  • From Petzl@petzlx@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 12:17:15 2026
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    On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 10:52:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    I doubt if Rod Speed even uses a Windows computer

    You'd be wrong about that.

    Everyone including Bill Gates is dumping Windows in a big way

    Bullshit
    ?
    Android is now the most widely used operating system, with Windows
    second, so WindowsA share of total global computing has declined over
    the last decade as mobile grew.
    --
    Petzl
    An evil enemy will from within,
    burn his own nation to then rule over the ashes.
    Chinese military strategist Sun Tzu
    (author of The Art of War), 5th century BC.
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  • From Rod Speed@rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 14:04:09 2026
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    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Paul wrote
    I doubt if Rod Speed even uses a Windows computer
    You'd be wrong about that.
    Everyone including Bill Gates is dumping Windows in a big way
    Bullshit
    ?
    Android is now the most widely used operating system,
    We are clearly talking about PCs in what you
    flagrantly dishonestly deleted from the quoting
    and windows has not be dumped in a big way
    when android is what your phone comes with
    you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist
    with Windows second, so WindowsrCO share of total global computing
    That isnt what was being discussed
    has declined over the last decade as mobile grew.
    That isnt what was being discussed
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint,aus.computers on Sun Feb 22 03:53:02 2026
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    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 18:18:22 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Sat, 2/21/2026 4:13 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 09:17:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    When WSL1 first came out, some people had Firefox running three
    days after that (on top of XMing.exe). Later, Microsoft made WSLg
    so you no longer had to bodge your own Xorg/X11 solution .

    Now that thatrCOs been superseded by WSL2, which brings a (mostly)
    genuine Linux kernel into Windows, itrCOs only a matter of time until
    Linux becomes a mandatory part of a Windows install.

    What's weird, is they dumped WSA and kept WSL. I guess the Android
    one wasn't magical enough.

    Most likely itrCOs because the Linux kernel can do a better job of
    hosting an Android userland than Windows itself can manage.

    Having HyperV virtual machines running on Windows isn't an essential
    part, so the treatment of WSL won't be any different.

    IrCOm thinking more of what happens to the future of Windows. As you can
    tell from all the missteps they keep making, itrCOs getting increasingly
    hard for Microsoft to make quality changes to such a huge and tangled
    legacy codebase. I can see the path of least resistance being for
    Windows to delegate more and more core functionality to the Linux
    kernel. So the Windows kernel itself gradually withers away, and all
    thatrCOs left of that is an API layer for userland.

    (Did somebody say rCLWINErCY ... ?)

    If you were to ask anybody at Microsoft, they would strenuously deny
    having any such plan--at least, not consciously. But, long-term, I
    think it just makes business sense.

    In general, I don't get the feeling that the user base is all that
    interested in virtualization.

    For what I describe above, they donrCOt need to care.
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