• Good backup program for Linux Mint

    From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 14:14:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Alan K@AlanK@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 09:42:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    I keep windows 11 and dual boot, and since I have a perpetual license for Acronis, I use it to backup my Linux partition. It's worked for me for years. It's also only the
    2020 version.
    Do you question your process? Have to verified it works? Like blowing out your entire docs folder and then trying to restore it?
    Heck if it works fine.

    I may try SyncBack and see how it works. I currently use mint's backup tool. It's a bit quirky to get setup but I do now and I make daily backups with it. But this only
    makes snapshot tar files. Good for the OOPS conditions.

    I also use rsync to do some mirroring now and then. It's very easy to script since it's basically 'cp'. rsync source dest. You just add the needed flags.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 17:29:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 15:42, Alan K wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    I keep windows 11 and dual boot, and since I have a perpetual license
    for Acronis, I use it to backup my Linux partition.-a

    That's full backup. I'm looking for a tool for just backing up specific
    data files /directories.

    It's worked for me
    for years.-a It's also only the 2020 version.
    Do you question your process?-a Have to verified it works?-a Like blowing
    out your entire docs folder and then trying to restore it?

    Yes. SyncBack creates an identical data structure on the external drive.
    'Restore' is just a matter of copying the directories back to the
    desktop.

    Heck if it works fine.

    I may try SyncBack and see how it works.-a I currently use mint's backup tool.-a It's a bit quirky to get setup but I do now and I make daily
    backups with it. But this only makes snapshot tar files.-a Good for the
    OOPS conditions.

    I also use rsync to do some mirroring now and then.-a It's very easy to script since it's basically 'cp'.-a rsync source dest.-a You just add the needed flags.

    Hmm. I worry about going back to doing backups by command line
    instructions. The two geeks who convinced me to migrate to Linux Mint
    (my two sons) promised me that the experience would be 'no different to
    using Windows' . I'm going to hold them to that promise ;-) .

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Jeff Layman@Jeff@invalid.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 17:13:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.

    Mint comes with "Backup Tool", but I prefer "Backups" (which is in the Software Manager, but unfortunately the SM is playing up at present and
    never stops trying to generate the cache. The usual method of dealing
    with this by changing from a local mirror to default doesn't help. Maybe
    it's the Ubuntu repo which is the problem). It's really "D|-j|a Dup". You might want to read this thread first if you tend to use flatpak versions. <https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/deja-dup>

    I've been using it to backup to three separate USB drives (grandfather, father, son) for many years. On the rare occasion I've had to restore something it's been fine. The only thing I'm not so keen on is that when
    you set prefs you click on an "x" to close the screen rather than click
    on a back arrow.
    --
    Jeff
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Alan K.@alan@invalid.com to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 13:34:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2/13/26 11:29 AM, occam wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 15:42, Alan K wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    I keep windows 11 and dual boot, and since I have a perpetual license
    for Acronis, I use it to backup my Linux partition.

    That's full backup. I'm looking for a tool for just backing up specific
    data files /directories.

    Not really, Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that. If my
    documents folder got messed up, I'd just open the last full backup (as Acronis will auto
    mount any backup) and then just drag and drop the document folder over. It's no worse
    than most any other backup. At least to me. I've never in all the years of this, never
    done incremental. I've done piecemeal backups, you know, cherry picking specific folders.
    It's worked for me
    for years.-a It's also only the 2020 version.
    Do you question your process?-a Have to verified it works?-a Like blowing
    out your entire docs folder and then trying to restore it?

    Yes. SyncBack creates an identical data structure on the external drive.
    'Restore' is just a matter of copying the directories back to the
    desktop.

    Heck if it works fine.

    I may try SyncBack and see how it works.-a I currently use mint's backup
    tool.-a It's a bit quirky to get setup but I do now and I make daily
    backups with it. But this only makes snapshot tar files.-a Good for the
    OOPS conditions.

    I also use rsync to do some mirroring now and then.-a It's very easy to
    script since it's basically 'cp'.-a rsync source dest.-a You just add the
    needed flags.

    Hmm. I worry about going back to doing backups by command line
    instructions. The two geeks who convinced me to migrate to Linux Mint
    (my two sons) promised me that the experience would be 'no different to
    using Windows' . I'm going to hold them to that promise ;-) .

    Yeah right! They aren't the same so thus they are different. However there are a lot of
    correlations. I jump back and forth between win and linux since my wife uses only
    windows and I support her.

    I totally understand the command line problem. It's good to do if you're given a "run
    this" suggestion, but building something from get go isn't for everyone. I did it back in
    the mid 70's on a Unix type system, then later on real SCO Unix and Zenix systems, and
    then once I got a PC of my own I played with trying Linux Red Hat, but never found a need
    for it.

    It was Windows 8.0 that started me looking into an alternate.

    Anyway, if you're looking for alternates for Windows software you might look at https://alternativeto.net/
    I don't profuse that they have the final word on replacements.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3, Mozilla Thunderbird 140.7.1esr, Mozilla Firefox 147.0.3
    Alan K.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 14:28:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    SyncBack Touch (reach into LM and copy stuff out to "backup machine")

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/sbt.html

    "SyncBack Touch supports: macOS, Android, Linux & Windows"

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/compare.html

    Pro Se Free
    ^^^ ^^ ^^^^

    (Works with (No Linux capability)
    Touch SW)

    "SyncBack Touch is free to use with SyncBackPro/SE V11"

    Paul

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 21:58:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:14:31 +0100, occam wrote:

    My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows the synching
    of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the need for a
    full backup every time.

    Does it let you keep multiple point-in-time backups? Without
    duplicating unchanged files?
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 21:59:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 17:29:09 +0100, occam wrote:

    Hmm. I worry about going back to doing backups by command line
    instructions.

    On *nix systems, you save the effort of performing repetitive or
    complicated command lines by saving them in shell scripts.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 22:03:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:34:42 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

    Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that.

    The nice thing about rsync is, its --link-dest option lets you create incremental backups that look like full backups for restoration
    purposes. It saves space by not making additional copies of files that havenrCOt changed, but because standard POSIX/*nix filesystems allow the
    same file to be linked into multiple directories, that same file can
    appear in multiple snapshots taken at different times, and restored
    from any of them.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Shimon@invalid@invalid.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Fri Feb 13 23:08:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    Doja Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).




    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 04:20:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 2/13/2026 4:59 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 17:29:09 +0100, occam wrote:

    Hmm. I worry about going back to doing backups by command line
    instructions.

    On *nix systems, you save the effort of performing repetitive or
    complicated command lines by saving them in shell scripts.


    Yes, occam would have been using .bat on his previous platform.
    *indows systems are computers too. In fact .ps1 scripting on *indows is a thing.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mike Scott@usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 09:29:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 22:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:34:42 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

    Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that.

    The nice thing about rsync is, its --link-dest option lets you create incremental backups that look like full backups for restoration
    purposes. It saves space by not making additional copies of files that havenrCOt changed, but because standard POSIX/*nix filesystems allow the
    same file to be linked into multiple directories, that same file can
    appear in multiple snapshots taken at different times, and restored
    from any of them.

    That's a mixed blessing. If the single set of blocks in the backup gets corrupted, all "copies" are affected. Unlike a normal backup.

    That said, I use 'timeshift' and 'back in time', which are front ends
    for rsync. Seems to work well enough, although some care over mailbox
    backup is warranted.
    --
    Mike Scott
    Harlow, England
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 04:44:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Fri, 2/13/2026 2:28 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    SyncBack Touch (reach into LM and copy stuff out to "backup machine")

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/sbt.html

    "SyncBack Touch supports: macOS, Android, Linux & Windows"

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/compare.html

    Pro Se Free
    ^^^ ^^ ^^^^

    (Works with (No Linux capability)
    Touch SW)

    "SyncBack Touch is free to use with SyncBackPro/SE V11"

    Paul


    Another option is this.

    The examples here are likely meant to impress administrator-type IT people.
    To use ssh in the way the examples are flung about here, there can be
    things like dot file with the authorization information required to make it work.
    You set up and verify your ssh first, before letting commands like this loose on top of ssh.

    https://rdiff-backup.net/examples.html

    You can find slightly toned-down examples here. The
    stuff I've extracted from here, might be two local disk drives.
    And starting with this, is so you can "learn how" first, using
    a trivial example.

    https://linux.die.net/man/1/rdiff-backup

    For example, suppose in the past you have run:

    rdiff-backup /usr /usr.backup

    Now, you want a sub-section restored. You desire just
    a version of /usr/local to come back for you. The author of this
    command is restoring to a separate directory local.old to signify this
    is the 3 day old version he was after. He could just as easily
    have restored to /foo/local.old if he wanted.

    rdiff-backup -r 3D /usr.backup/local /usr/local.old

    The software also allows checking what incrementals exist.
    This would allow showing which incrementals are available.
    Then at least, it makes more sense to be specifying 3 days,
    if you know there was a backup 3 days ago.

    rdiff-backup -l /usr.backup

    As with any software that involves data movement, you
    have to create source directories and "practice your craft"
    to see that everything works like you think it does.

    Measuring directory size can give the wrong information and
    scare the user. This is also true on Windows, where hardlinks
    are not measured correctly. Linux makes some stab at this
    (it sometimes gets them right), whereas Windows never does.
    In any case, with some care, you'll figure out a way to see
    that the incremental method is actually working and using
    hardlinks for files which have not changed. Hardlinks use
    the same inodes for the data in two files, and there will be
    two file pointers sharing the same set of inodes. The inodes
    are not "released" until all file pointers are deleted (/bin/rm).

    This is still command line of course, but I've tried to tone
    it down a bit so it isn't a giant script. It still has the
    problem of understanding the implementation, which is no
    different than Windows File History and understanding how
    it works and what happens when you want to restore a deleted
    file (which required restoring the directory that contained
    the deleted file, then it comes back).

    Paul



    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 17:20:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 22:58, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:14:31 +0100, occam wrote:

    My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows the synching
    of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the need for a
    full backup every time.

    Does it let you keep multiple point-in-time backups? Without
    duplicating unchanged files?

    Not to the best of my knowledge.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 17:22:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 14/02/2026 00:08, Shimon wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    D|-j|a Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).



    Wow! Thanks for the menu. I'll work my way down. (Deja Dup and rsync I
    have already seen mentioned above.)

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 22:13:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 09:29:08 +0000, Mike Scott wrote:

    On 13/02/2026 22:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:34:42 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

    Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that.

    The nice thing about rsync is, its --link-dest option lets you
    create incremental backups that look like full backups for
    restoration purposes. It saves space by not making additional
    copies of files that havenrCOt changed, but because standard
    POSIX/*nix filesystems allow the same file to be linked into
    multiple directories, that same file can appear in multiple
    snapshots taken at different times, and restored from any of them.

    That's a mixed blessing. If the single set of blocks in the backup
    gets corrupted, all "copies" are affected. Unlike a normal backup.

    ItrCOs your choice.

    That said, I use 'timeshift' and 'back in time', which are front
    ends for rsync.

    Do they give you that choice in now rsync operates?
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 22:14:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 04:20:20 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 2/13/2026 4:59 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 17:29:09 +0100, occam wrote:

    Hmm. I worry about going back to doing backups by command line
    instructions.

    On *nix systems, you save the effort of performing repetitive or
    complicated command lines by saving them in shell scripts.

    Yes, occam would have been using .bat on his previous platform.
    *indows systems are computers too. In fact .ps1 scripting on *indows
    is a thing.

    Yes, but unfortunately the Microsoft idea of a command line dates from
    pre-Unix days.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sat Feb 14 22:17:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 14:04:47 +0000, mick wrote:

    I use this on windows and mint
    https://freefilesync.org/

    The answers to rCLWhat features make FreeFileSync unique?rCY <https://freefilesync.org/faq.php#features> donrCOt seem very rCLuniquerCY
    ...
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 12:15:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    occam wrote:
    On 14/02/2026 00:08, Shimon wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    D|-j|a Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).


    Wow! Thanks for the menu. I'll work my way down. (Deja Dup and rsync I
    have already seen mentioned above.)


    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you can extract files from the backup image
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 02:13:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 12:15:23 +1100, Axel wrote:

    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you
    can extract files from the backup image

    It is really easier to use a backup program/regime where the backups
    are just simple filesystems in their own right.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From vallor@vallor@vallor.earth to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 04:18:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    At Sat, 14 Feb 2026 17:22:56 +0100, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    On 14/02/2026 00:08, Shimon wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    D|-j|a Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).



    Wow! Thanks for the menu. I'll work my way down. (Deja Dup and rsync I
    have already seen mentioned above.)

    Timeshift uses rsync on the backend (or btrfs snapshots, which I don't
    use.) It expects the backup media to be on the local machine, but I
    use it to back up to an SanDisk Corp. Extreme Pro 55AF, which is
    NVME over USB, 4TB. I also have a cron job to back up the Extreme Pro
    to the NAS periodically. If I didn't have the Extreme Pro, I'd
    use iSCSI with the NAS, which will appear as a local block device
    on Linux (which means Timeshift will use it).

    By default, Timeshift doesn't back up /home directories, but you
    can configure it to do so.

    It's a shame we can't convince the Timeshift maintainers to support
    native backup to NFS...

    I'm also using the Extreme Pro for Time machine backups from our
    Mac Studio, which required setting up Samba on my workstation with
    the "fruit" extensions...
    --
    -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 Mem: 258G
    OS: Linux 6.19.0 D: Mint 22.3 DE: Xfce 4.18 (X11)
    NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090Ti (24G) (590.48.01)
    "I Have To Stop Now, My Fingers Are Getting Hoarse!"
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 15:45:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    vallor wrote:
    At Sat, 14 Feb 2026 17:22:56 +0100, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    On 14/02/2026 00:08, Shimon wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows >>>> the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    D|-j|a Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).


    Wow! Thanks for the menu. I'll work my way down. (Deja Dup and rsync I
    have already seen mentioned above.)
    Timeshift uses rsync on the backend (or btrfs snapshots, which I don't
    use.) It expects the backup media to be on the local machine, but I
    use it to back up to an SanDisk Corp. Extreme Pro 55AF, which is
    NVME over USB, 4TB. I also have a cron job to back up the Extreme Pro
    to the NAS periodically. If I didn't have the Extreme Pro, I'd
    use iSCSI with the NAS, which will appear as a local block device
    on Linux (which means Timeshift will use it).

    By default, Timeshift doesn't back up /home directories, but you
    can configure it to do so.

    but if you do you will lose newer files added since the snapshot, and
    existing files will be overwritten with the versions current when the
    snapshot was taken. best to use timeshift without adding personal files
    (the default setting) AND use Backup Tool to save personal files. Then
    both apps can be used independently of each other. ie. so the OS and
    personal files could be restored from different time periods, if
    necessary. at least this is my understanding of it.


    It's a shame we can't convince the Timeshift maintainers to support
    native backup to NFS...

    I'm also using the Extreme Pro for Time machine backups from our
    Mac Studio, which required setting up Samba on my workstation with
    the "fruit" extensions...

    --
    Linux Mint 22.3

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 05:32:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 15:45:39 +1100, Axel wrote:

    but if you do you will lose newer files added since the snapshot,
    and existing files will be overwritten with the versions current
    when the snapshot was taken. best to use timeshift without adding
    personal files (the default setting) AND use Backup Tool to save
    personal files. Then both apps can be used independently of each
    other. ie. so the OS and personal files could be restored from
    different time periods, if necessary. at least this is my
    understanding of it.

    rsync can do both. Seems simpler to use something at least based on
    that.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 05:06:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 2/14/2026 8:15 PM, Axel wrote:
    occam wrote:
    On 14/02/2026 00:08, Shimon wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows >>>> the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    These tools are great if you want easy file or folder backups without
    much setup:

    D|-j|a Dup Backups <https://apps.gnome.org/en-GB/DejaDup/>
    A user-friendly GUI backup tool (often installed by default on GNOME desktops). Supports scheduled backups, encryption, and cloud services (e.g., Google Drive).

    TimeShift <https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift>
    Creates system snapshots (like Windows System Restore). Ideal for restoring your system after a bad update or change

    GNOME Backups <https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/backup-how.html>
    Simple graphical backup utility with scheduled backups and
    incremental support.

    rsync <https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-rsync-for-local-and-remote-data-transfer-and-synchronization/>

    The classic file-sync tool. Efficient and scriptable for custom backups, network backups, and incremental copies.


    rclone <https://rclone.org/>
    Syncs and backs up to cloud storage providers (Google Drive, OneDrive, S3, etc.).


    Wow! Thanks for the menu. I'll work my way down. (Deja Dup and rsync I
    have already seen mentioned above.)


    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you can extract files from the backup image


    https://www.partimage.org/

    ...alternatives such as fsarchiver, partclone, or filesystems tools such as xfsdump.

    Limitations

    Partimage does not support ext4 or btrfs filesystems.
    ...
    Single files or directories cannot be restored. [implies they don't have a "mounter"]

    https://www.fsarchiver.org/

    ...file-system can be restored on a partition which has a different size
    and it can be restored on a different file-system

    Support for all major Linux filesystems (extfs, xfs, btrfs, reiserfs, etc)
    if you create a snapshot in a btrfs volume... it will just
    backup the contents seen when you mount the partition [does not "understand" that format itself]
    Support for FAT filesystems (in order to backup/restore EFI System Partitions)
    Experimental support for cloning ntfs filesystems [most softwares rightly fear the C: partition :-) ]

    https://partclone.org/

    Partclone... save and restore used blocks on a partition

    None of those seem to support mounting like commercial backup softwares do it. But fsarchiver has the "smell" of being closest to being mount-able. Because
    of its claims about "restoring on a different file-system".

    https://github.com/fdupoux/fsarchiver/issues/96

    ...No

    The thing is, at least one commercial backup product, uses a block level approach to the output it creates, yet it also has a file-by-file orientation as well, and if restored into a smaller partition, it achieves a bit of defragmentation as well. And that product also supports mounting with its
    own proprietary mounter (and a FUSE-like mount approach). There are softwares of sufficient sophistication to be "practically magical".

    Whoever writes this in the future though, BTRFS is likely to be the last file system they handle (feature set complexity layered on top of file system complexity).

    And if you are thinking of writing your own software for this, one
    small developer of backup software claimed he kept *200* disk images
    in his test bench, as examples of curve balls needing test. I guess he
    had trouble tickets and collected examples as part of that, and that is
    just to give you some idea how much test goes into doing projects like this. You can't just backup your own hard drive and call it a day.

    The code must be defensively designed. A customer might not know that
    two of their partitions overlap and are about to corrupt. The backup
    software must detect things that the user is not normally alerted about,
    before the backup starts. Like, doing a read-only fsck as a check that the partition is worth backing up, could be an ingredient in your code.

    If your backup software refuses to back up a disk, due to structural problems, you can still do a backup with "dd". That, at least, preserves things while
    you work on a solution.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 06:37:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 2/14/2026 5:17 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 14:04:47 +0000, mick wrote:

    I use this on windows and mint
    https://freefilesync.org/

    The answers to rCLWhat features make FreeFileSync unique?rCY <https://freefilesync.org/faq.php#features> donrCOt seem very rCLuniquerCY ...


    This one stands out for me.

    "Cross-platform: Runs on Windows, Linux, macOS "

    The rest of it is mostly tick boxes.

    And the standard limitation on all of these products, is
    not having utilities that can detect whether they are
    working properly or not. You have to test these products
    before you can accept them.

    One product for example, did not restore GPT Attributes word
    properly, meaning "what was restored was not EXACTLY what
    was backed up". A trouble ticket raised got that corrected.
    It took human eyeballs and some symptoms to detect that one.

    One product, if you Google and look at the historical record,
    it couldn't even manage to do a FAT32 backup and restore properly.
    When that happens, you know it isn't an actual problem with the
    backup portion. That's a failure to do the safety checks
    first (FSCK before backup), that would be why a particular
    backup and restore did not work.

    There is a lot more FSCK going on now, than may have been
    apparent in the past. Which can contribute to fewer screwed
    up file systems.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 07:19:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sat, 2/14/2026 4:29 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 22:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:34:42 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

    Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that.

    The nice thing about rsync is, its --link-dest option lets you create
    incremental backups that look like full backups for restoration
    purposes. It saves space by not making additional copies of files that
    havenrCOt changed, but because standard POSIX/*nix filesystems allow the
    same file to be linked into multiple directories, that same file can
    appear in multiple snapshots taken at different times, and restored
    from any of them.

    That's a mixed blessing. If the single set of blocks in the backup gets corrupted, all "copies" are affected. Unlike a normal backup.

    <snip>

    Some products support Verify, which allows you to detect some failure situations.
    You can repeat the backup sequence to two drives, if you consider this
    failure condition to be a factor.

    On one machine, I was randomly running Verify on some things, when I got a failure.
    I checked backwards in time, and perhaps two other backups also failed.

    And this was traceable to bad RAM. Once the RAM was tested (and the whole
    set of DIMMs replaced), the Verify errors stopped happening. The RAM error seemed
    to be in low memory, but I could not locate it by testing each DIMM individually
    (with memtest). Bus loading effects can account for this (contributing factor).

    In general terms, a Full+Incrementals tends to have a higher failure
    rate anyway, than a Full alone. While there is an implementation
    of Incrementals-Forever (which "synthesizes" a Full from a
    previous set of Full+Incremental), it is unclear how thorough
    a job that does of vetting materials along the way.

    Fulls are expensive, but there's no question they get the job done.
    There is less guess-work, and the scheme could even have a Verify
    for you (restore to /dev/null).

    I don't think I've ever had a Verify failure on a backup, that was
    traceable to a bad block. My shitty drive collection, those
    drives were recognizes early on as less than saintly, and they
    never got used for backing up anything important. I have
    around eight hard drives, and ten SSDs, that would not be
    rated as "backup holders", due to the fact they already
    show signs of being shitty items. The SSDs are TLC based
    (which is OK), which seem to lack firmware to "freshen"
    blocks which have become mushy (which is bad). Just because
    a drive is cheap, does not mean the firmware has to be
    bad as well. Another manufacturer learned the lesson
    about TLC maintenance and offered a firmware flash to help.

    And as hard drive prices rise, there's not much chance
    the people who really need backups, are going to get them now :-)
    For example, there is "a" backup drive in town, for $589. Bargain.

    Paul

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Mike Scott@usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 14:57:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 14/02/2026 22:13, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 09:29:08 +0000, Mike Scott wrote:

    On 13/02/2026 22:03, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:34:42 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

    Acronis can do incremental, but I don't really need it for that.

    The nice thing about rsync is, its --link-dest option lets you
    create incremental backups that look like full backups for
    restoration purposes. It saves space by not making additional
    copies of files that havenrCOt changed, but because standard
    POSIX/*nix filesystems allow the same file to be linked into
    multiple directories, that same file can appear in multiple
    snapshots taken at different times, and restored from any of them.

    That's a mixed blessing. If the single set of blocks in the backup
    gets corrupted, all "copies" are affected. Unlike a normal backup.

    ItrCOs your choice.

    Quite. But one needs to consider side effects of any choice.


    That said, I use 'timeshift' and 'back in time', which are front
    ends for rsync.

    Do they give you that choice in now rsync operates?

    For back-in-time, not explicitly AFAICS: the point of the links, is
    after all, to save space. But there is an option to use checksums, which would, presumably, catch a corrupted block and make a fresh copy.
    --
    Mike Scott
    Harlow, England
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 20:15:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 14:57:16 +0000, Mike Scott wrote:

    On 14/02/2026 22:13, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Do they give you that choice in now rsync operates?

    For back-in-time, not explicitly AFAICS: the point of the links, is
    after all, to save space. But there is an option to use checksums,
    which would, presumably, catch a corrupted block and make a fresh
    copy.

    rsync uses checksums as a quick-and-dirty way of detecting most
    differences, while resorting to more thorough hash computations to
    confirm identity.

    Do your backup apps do this kind of checking?
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 20:17:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 07:19:45 -0500, Paul wrote:

    Some products support Verify, which allows you to detect some
    failure situations.

    With rsync, you just repeat the rsync command, which picks up missing
    or mismatched files. For good measure, add the --checksum option,
    which forces it to re-read the actual contents of the destination
    copies, to confirm they match exactly.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 20:21:22 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 15:04:46 +0000, Mike Scott wrote:

    Not forgetting about, eg, /var/mail/* which counts as "user"
    territory.

    This is why I have my MTAs configured to use maildir format.

    Anywhere else ??

    There are also user crontabs in /var/spool/cron, but again those go
    away if you use systemd timers instead.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 17:01:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 3:23 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 06:37:31 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That's a failure to do the safety checks first (FSCK before backup)
    ...

    Not sure why that would be necessary, unless yourCOre doing low-level
    access to the volume and bypassing the filesystem code in the kernel.

    Otherwise you can rely on the kernel to ensure the filesystem is fit
    to access -- that is the authoritative implementation of the filesystem-access code, after all.


    Do you remember the old SunOS OS and the file system there ?
    That used to regularly tip over.

    And it used to take forever to start, and read the filesystem
    and make sure it would work.

    We had two guys who went on a SunOS driver designer course,
    and while we did not get a demo of their coding skills later
    to look at, the two of them were excellent at repairing
    various broken linkages in the filesystem.

    That's the part I remember about the old days, where the OS
    didn't particularly do a good job handling filesystems,
    and you could be regularly faced with brokenness and no
    forward progress. It was even fun watching them work,
    as one would say "do you think it is this problem?",
    and they would be working through a mental flowchart, and
    between the two of them, they *always* tipped the filesystem
    upright. My fear was, that if only one of our guys was
    available, this scheme would not work, without a person
    to bounce ideas off.

    You couldn't always trust FSCK, and giving permission to
    "do something" could trash it.

    Paul

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 23:35:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 17:01:06 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 3:23 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 06:37:31 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That's a failure to do the safety checks first (FSCK before
    backup) ...

    Not sure why that would be necessary, unless yourCOre doing low-level
    access to the volume and bypassing the filesystem code in the
    kernel.

    Otherwise you can rely on the kernel to ensure the filesystem is
    fit to access -- that is the authoritative implementation of the
    filesystem-access code, after all.

    Do you remember the old SunOS OS and the file system there ? That
    used to regularly tip over.

    And it used to take forever to start, and read the filesystem and
    make sure it would work.

    We have journalled filesystems now.

    So, to get back to my original question, what was the need for rCLFSCK
    before backuprCY, again?
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Sun Feb 15 19:07:02 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 6:35 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 17:01:06 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 3:23 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 06:37:31 -0500, Paul wrote:

    That's a failure to do the safety checks first (FSCK before
    backup) ...

    Not sure why that would be necessary, unless yourCOre doing low-level
    access to the volume and bypassing the filesystem code in the
    kernel.

    Otherwise you can rely on the kernel to ensure the filesystem is
    fit to access -- that is the authoritative implementation of the
    filesystem-access code, after all.

    Do you remember the old SunOS OS and the file system there ? That
    used to regularly tip over.

    And it used to take forever to start, and read the filesystem and
    make sure it would work.

    We have journalled filesystems now.

    So, to get back to my original question, what was the need for rCLFSCK
    before backuprCY, again?


    It's to make sure that when you read metadata from the file system,
    it can successfully be used to put everything back.

    The representation can be block-based (inodes/clusters), plus it also
    has metadata for the location of files. This is what allows restoration
    into a smaller partition at restore time. The file metadata allows switching
    to file mode. Whereas the block-based part that records something, that's
    only good enough by itself for block-based restoral into an identically
    sized partition.

    In terms of behavior, a restore that is block based only, reading the
    backup is "smooth" and laying down the blocks is "smooth". Whereas if
    you ask for the files to be placed into a smaller partition, at least
    one side of the operation is noisy due to the need to randomly seek.
    This could change, depending on the algorithm used for restoring
    (whether it tries to defragment, or it lets things go-to-hell
    on a restore in the file-by-file mode). But with sufficient file metadata stored (at the end of the backup session), it can do just about
    anything needed, during a restore.

    In an era where we "constantly repair" filesystems, there should
    be little chance of the "buildup of latent faults". It was
    latent faults, like one file system problem layered on top
    of a second file system problem, that caused filesystems to tip
    over. And this is why, today, there is so much checking for
    "clean" when the system starts. It's not only that the file
    system is journaled, even for unjournaled filesystems the
    amount of maintenance the filesystem receives, it's more
    frequent. I seem to remember there might have been a policy
    where a full fsck is only done every 100 boots or so. And if
    we went back even further in time, there might have been
    no scheduled fsck at all. It was up to the administrator
    to do the fsck (and answer the questions, and the questions
    were always "skill testing" so mere users wanted no part of that).

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Shimon@invalid@invalid.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 02:43:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 13/02/2026 13:14, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.



    If you want to sync between different operating systems then I suggest
    watch this video:

    <https://youtu.be/pl3PWny2kao>

    Syncthing is a free, open-source, continuous file synchronization
    program that keeps your files perfectly in sync across all your devices
    in real time, with zero companies spying on your data.

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 03:15:27 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 02:43:51 +0000, Shimon wrote:

    Syncthing is a free, open-source, continuous file synchronization
    program ...

    Not the same as rCLbackuprCY though, is it ... unless you only want to
    count *current* files, rather than snapshots of what has gone before
    ...
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 03:16:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 19:07:02 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 6:35 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    So, to get back to my original question, what was the need for rCLFSCK
    before backuprCY, again?

    It's to make sure that when you read metadata from the file system,
    it can successfully be used to put everything back.

    Not sure why that would be necessary, unless yourCOre doing low-level
    access to the volume and bypassing the filesystem code in the kernel.

    Otherwise you can rely on the kernel to ensure the filesystem is fit
    to access -- that is the authoritative implementation of the
    filesystem-access code, after all.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 04:04:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2026-02-13, Alan K <AlanK@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    I keep windows 11 and dual boot, and since I have a perpetual license for Acronis, I use it to backup my Linux partition. It's worked for me for years. It's also only the
    2020 version.
    Do you question your process? Have to verified it works? Like blowing out your entire docs folder and then trying to restore it?

    Are you able to restore the backup to a temp/partition disk?

    Heck if it works fine.

    But what if it does not and its the only copy you have?


    I may try SyncBack and see how it works. I currently use mint's backup tool. It's a bit quirky to get setup but I do now and I make daily backups with it. But this only
    makes snapshot tar files. Good for the OOPS conditions.

    Not if it will not restore.


    I also use rsync to do some mirroring now and then. It's very easy to script since it's basically 'cp'. rsync source dest. You just add the needed flags.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 04:26:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2026-02-16, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 02:43:51 +0000, Shimon wrote:

    Syncthing is a free, open-source, continuous file synchronization
    program ...

    Not the same as rCLbackuprCY though, is it ... unless you only want to
    count *current* files, rather than snapshots of what has gone before
    ...

    More to the point we are getting the waters mudded. This thread is about Backups. A programme which sync autmatically is a dangerous tool.

    The Unix philosophy is to have one tool that just does one thing well.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 03:33:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Sun, 2/15/2026 11:04 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-13, Alan K <AlanK@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2/13/2026 8:14 AM, occam wrote:
    I'm currently transitioning from Windows to Linux Mint (under dual
    boot). Before I abandon Win10 for good I want to be sure I am able do
    everything in LM that I normally do under Win10.

    Is there an LM way of backing up /synchronising my data files onto an
    external drive? My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows
    the synching of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the
    need for a full backup every time. It shows me which files are to be
    deleted, which are to be updated and which are new files to be
    transferred - displayed in an easy-to-follow screen.

    Thanks for any pointers.


    I keep windows 11 and dual boot, and since I have a perpetual license for Acronis,
    I use it to backup my Linux partition. It's worked for me for years. It's also only the
    2020 version.

    Do you question your process? Have to verified it works?
    Like blowing out your entire docs folder and then trying to restore it?

    Are you able to restore the backup to a temp/partition disk?

    Heck if it works fine.

    But what if it does not and its the only copy you have?


    I may try SyncBack and see how it works. I currently use mint's backup tool.
    It's a bit quirky to get setup but I do now and I make daily backups with it. But this only
    makes snapshot tar files. Good for the OOPS conditions.

    Not if it will not restore.

    I also use rsync to do some mirroring now and then. It's very easy to script
    since it's basically 'cp'. rsync source dest. You just add the needed flags.

    Your responses suggests a quite-unreliable storage model in your mind.
    I have had bad blocks -- but on a refurb computer and its included disk.
    Just not on the disks I use for backups.

    The beauty of the Acronis or Macrium or even (heaven forbid) the Ghost,
    was that they could mount the output image, like the .tib or .mrimg as
    a FUSE-like file system.

    For example, right now, I can back up C: to .mrimg, mount it as K: ,
    turn off the permissions on K: and visit places I would normally not
    be able to go. K: is read-only and you cannot damage the .mrimg .
    And the .mrimg has some kind of primitive repair capability (implying
    hashes at some level), but I've not had a demonstration of this.
    I suppose I could experimentally damage a .mrimg and see if it recovers.
    It would likely be easier to just read the manual.

    [Picture] Use the "Download Original" button if the picture is fuzzy

    https://i.postimg.cc/4ybV99x7/Macrium-mounter.gif

    Does the product have limits ? Yes. When it backs up an EXT4, you cannot
    mount the EXT4 without some other third party help (at a minimum). The GUIDs
    of partitions are similarly NOT going to be changed on a restore for those. While EXT4 does use smart backup (only blocks with data are output),
    it cannot do the demo in the picture. But it's still a backup and
    it is still a "protection against failed hard drive" capability.
    I can back up a multiboot disk, and have the entire thing restored
    without a stitch of work. No slaving over a command line. No solving
    puzzles with BLKID and so on.

    I have had "bad" Verifies, but it was caused by bad RAM on the
    source computer, in the hard drive buffer pool area. And fortunately
    (purely by accident), the Verify just happened to cover the
    section that was causing the corruption. Not all failures ("my
    computer not being a computer") are detected by hashing schemes.
    But that failure was in just the right place, for the Verify
    to catch it.

    While a backup system could use PAR2 blocks, it's unlikely any
    commercial operation will resort to that, because "it's not mathematically robust". People use PAR2 every day, but I don't know what the properties
    of such are at the moment (whether PAR2 failures-to-repair still happen).

    The ultimate protection is to use two disk drives, and put
    snapshots on both of them. (And run Verify on both, before
    putting the disks away.)

    Paul


    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From occam@occam@nowhere.nix to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 13:33:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 16/02/2026 05:26, Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-16, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 02:43:51 +0000, Shimon wrote:

    Syncthing is a free, open-source, continuous file synchronization
    program ...

    Not the same as rCLbackuprCY though, is it ... unless you only want to
    count *current* files, rather than snapshots of what has gone before
    ...

    More to the point we are getting the waters mudded. This thread is about Backups. A programme which sync autmatically is a dangerous tool.

    I agree completely. I prefer backup (master > slave) more than syncing.
    A recent syncing of my bookmarks on Firefox across platforms left me
    with duplicates, redundancies and a lot of mess.


    The Unix philosophy is to have one tool that just does one thing well.

    Ah, the Promised Land... Linux. I'm waiting for the parting of the
    waters any day now.

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 08:40:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 2/16/2026 7:33 AM, occam wrote:
    On 16/02/2026 05:26, Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-16, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 02:43:51 +0000, Shimon wrote:

    Syncthing is a free, open-source, continuous file synchronization
    program ...

    Not the same as rCLbackuprCY though, is it ... unless you only want to
    count *current* files, rather than snapshots of what has gone before
    ...

    More to the point we are getting the waters mudded. This thread is about
    Backups. A programme which sync autmatically is a dangerous tool.

    I agree completely. I prefer backup (master > slave) more than syncing.
    A recent syncing of my bookmarks on Firefox across platforms left me
    with duplicates, redundancies and a lot of mess.


    The Unix philosophy is to have one tool that just does one thing well.

    Ah, the Promised Land... Linux. I'm waiting for the parting of the
    waters any day now.

    If you need a job, there's always work to do in Linux.

    Write us some backup software :-) Mostly GUI work.

    Paul


    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 20:30:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 03:33:37 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And the .mrimg has some kind of primitive repair capability (implying
    hashes at some level) ...

    You need a bit more than hashes to do rCLrepair capabilityrCY. That means
    error *correction*, not just *detection*.

    For example, optical media make heavy use of Reed-Solomon
    Cross-Interleave Redundancy Checking, applied at two separate levels:
    one as an error-correction code and the other as an erasure code. As I
    recall, on DVD, this redundancy overhead reduces the effective storage
    capacity by about half.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Mon Feb 16 16:56:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 2/16/2026 3:30 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Feb 2026 03:33:37 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And the .mrimg has some kind of primitive repair capability (implying
    hashes at some level) ...

    You need a bit more than hashes to do rCLrepair capabilityrCY. That means error *correction*, not just *detection*.

    For example, optical media make heavy use of Reed-Solomon
    Cross-Interleave Redundancy Checking, applied at two separate levels:
    one as an error-correction code and the other as an erasure code. As I recall, on DVD, this redundancy overhead reduces the effective storage capacity by about half.


    The product did not always have repair capability.

    https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Understanding+Image+Verification+Failures

    "When an image is created each block of data (generally 64K but may be larger depending
    on the partition size) has an MD5 hash digest created after it is read from the disk
    and before it is written to the image file. This hash value is saved in the index
    of the image file."

    From the PDF manual, (V8 Page 177 printed at bottom of page)

    "Backup verification checks the entire contents of backup files against MD5 message
    digests (Hashes) created from the source data when the backup was created."

    "If corruption is detected in a backed up data block then the current
    live file system is checked to see if it contains the original data.
    ...
    Note: Verification will halt on the first un-repairable block detected."

    So it's a weak sauce. It repairs if it works out that the original
    file is present and within reach. It has the disk identifiers from
    when the disk was backed up, to use as part of comparison. You would
    want to be running Verify then, first, rather than erasing the
    source drive and trying to restore over top.

    Repair then, is via "duplication", it relies on the original
    disk to be around, and if a file hasn't changed, it can "save"
    the session from being trashed. If you were overwriting the
    original disk at the time, then that would have erased any chance
    of doing a repair to the file.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 04:05:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2026-02-15, Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
    On 15/02/2026 04:45, Axel wrote:
    but if you do you will lose newer files added since the snapshot, and
    existing files will be overwritten with the versions current when the
    snapshot was taken. best to use timeshift without adding personal files

    Not forgetting about, eg, /var/mail/* which counts as "user" territory. Anywhere else ??

    /etc ?


    (the default setting) AND use Backup Tool to save personal files. Then
    both apps can be used independently of each other. ie. so the OS and
    personal files could be restored from different time periods, if
    necessary. at least this is my understanding of it.


    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 04:14:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2026-02-15, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 12:15:23 +1100, Axel wrote:

    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you
    can extract files from the backup image

    It is really easier to use a backup program/regime where the backups
    are just simple filesystems in their own right.

    Very true. Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up. Fudging functions is
    not best practice when there is many other backup programmes to choose from.

    The real point is to get a set of programmes which suit the user and are trusted by the user.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Gordon@Gordon@leaf.net.nz to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 04:17:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 2026-02-14, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 22:58, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:14:31 +0100, occam wrote:

    My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows the synching
    of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the need for a
    full backup every time.

    Does it let you keep multiple point-in-time backups? Without
    duplicating unchanged files?

    Not to the best of my knowledge.

    Syncing is not a backup. Com'on people, know your tools and the task.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 03:08:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 2/16/2026 11:17 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-14, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
    On 13/02/2026 22:58, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:14:31 +0100, occam wrote:

    My favourite Windows program is SyncBack, which allows the synching
    of the two drives (i.e. incremental backup) without the need for a
    full backup every time.

    Does it let you keep multiple point-in-time backups? Without
    duplicating unchanged files?

    Not to the best of my knowledge.

    Syncing is not a backup. Com'on people, know your tools and the task.


    The product has both Sync and Backup functions. And similar to
    Retrospect, the backup server can be on one OS while the collectors
    can be on another OS.

    The Free version would appear to do Fulls,
    the Paid version is Full, Incremental and Differential (the latter
    two could be related to Fast Backup terminology).

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/resources/articles/special-restore-cases.html

    https://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/compare.html

    It's not much different than some other products, which offer Full
    or Full+Differential for free, and charge for Incrementals capability.

    The reason on Windows, that Fulls are given away for free, is Microsoft
    has a Full backup capability (of sorts...) built into the OS. And this
    gives some incentive for the ecosystem to give-away Full as promotional material. Having at least a Differential capability offers a bit
    of space savings.

    Paul





    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 05:30:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Mon, 2/16/2026 11:14 PM, Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-15, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 12:15:23 +1100, Axel wrote:

    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you
    can extract files from the backup image

    It is really easier to use a backup program/regime where the backups
    are just simple filesystems in their own right.

    Very true. Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up. Fudging functions is not best practice when there is many other backup programmes to choose from.

    The real point is to get a set of programmes which suit the user and are trusted by the user.


    That's a backup done with Clonezilla (Device==>Image). The source is
    an LM222 in a VM that happened to install into a single partition (/swapfile). The
    Clonezilla run was from Live Media so that the OS disk backup target,
    would be at rest.

    mint@mint:/media/mint/BACKUP/2026-02-17-09-img$ ls -al
    total 4655460
    drwxrwxr-x 2 mint mint 4096 Feb 17 09:28 .
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Feb 17 09:28 ..
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1299 Feb 17 09:28 Info-OS-prober.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1891 Feb 17 09:28 Info-dmi.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 236 Feb 17 09:28 Info-img-id.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 58 Feb 17 09:28 Info-img-size.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15239 Feb 17 09:28 Info-lshw.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1311 Feb 17 09:28 Info-lspci.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 171 Feb 17 09:28 Info-packages.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 94 Feb 17 09:28 Info-saved-by-cmd.txt
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 588 Feb 17 09:28 blkdev.list
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 448 Feb 17 09:28 blkid.list
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4446 Feb 17 09:28 clonezilla-img
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 156 Feb 17 09:25 dev-fs.list
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Feb 17 09:28 disk
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 Feb 17 09:28 parts
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36 Feb 17 09:28 sda-chs.sf
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17408 Feb 17 09:28 sda-gpt-1st
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16384 Feb 17 09:28 sda-gpt-2nd
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17920 Feb 17 09:28 sda-gpt.gdisk
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 552 Feb 17 09:28 sda-gpt.sgdisk
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 Feb 17 09:28 sda-mbr
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 244 Feb 17 09:28 sda-pt.parted
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 226 Feb 17 09:28 sda-pt.parted.compact
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277 Feb 17 09:28 sda-pt.sf
    -rwxrwxr-x 1 mint mint 4767020293 Feb 17 09:28 sda1.ext4-ptcl-img.gz chowned/chmodded, to copy this
    for forensics...
    mint@mint:/media/mint/BACKUP/2026-02-17-09-img$

    One annoyance, is I didn't really want the partclone-img compressed.
    But all it offers is compression options (these can slow down
    your backup).

    The source disk and partition were approximately 64GB, the content
    about 13GB and the compressed result is as shown (about 4.7GB).

    And that is suitable for disaster recovery (a "bad disk").

    Paul

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 21:37:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 03:08:29 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Free version would appear to do Fulls, the Paid version is Full, Incremental and Differential (the latter two could be related to
    Fast Backup terminology).

    rsync gives you all that in the free version. And thatrCOs Free
    software, not freeware.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 21:38:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:30:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And that is suitable for disaster recovery (a "bad disk").

    So really an all-or-nothing restore? No ability to selectively restore particular files that were deleted/corrupted/etc?
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 18:43:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 4:37 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 03:08:29 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Free version would appear to do Fulls, the Paid version is Full,
    Incremental and Differential (the latter two could be related to
    Fast Backup terminology).

    rsync gives you all that in the free version. And thatrCOs Free
    software, not freeware.


    The Windows backup programs, are intended to allow ordinary people
    to make some kind of backup.

    The very best attempt (in terms of a UI humans could use), was
    one of the years Acronis did a spin of TIH. You could tell they
    hired someone just for their storyboarding skills. The product
    looks like it was peeled right off a storyboard. What stands out,
    is how few clicks it takes to initiate a backup. But in later
    years, Acronis got on a kick of larding up the product with
    an AV, and that diluted the backup part of the package to
    insignificance. Any time a package has twelve functions,
    "it's own browser", you can hardly see the valuable parts
    of the suite, for the garbage.

    With Macrium, I just do Fulls, and not that often.
    The Macrium file can be mounted by the Macrium software,
    but there was also an "IMG2VHD.exe" converter for converting
    a backup into a VHD. And VHD can be mounted by the OS, or
    used in virtual machines.

    The Windows backup program, the folder looks a lot like
    the Clonezilla backup folder. But where Clonezilla uses partimage
    files per partition, Microsoft uses a VHD per partition. And then
    if you want, you can randomly access those if you want to extract
    a single file. in Windows 7, the software used VHD files, and
    in later OSes, at some point they switched to VHDX (which doesn't
    have a 2.2TB capacity limit). and there are fewer tools for working
    with that. 7ZIP (as a kind of equivalent to a libarchive) can
    burrow into a VHD, but it is not set up for VHDX.

    It is just good to have lots of options in the workflow, where
    a user can get things done, without too much command line being needed.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Tue Feb 17 18:48:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 4:38 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:30:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And that is suitable for disaster recovery (a "bad disk").

    So really an all-or-nothing restore? No ability to selectively restore particular files that were deleted/corrupted/etc?


    I couldn't get anything to touch the partimage.
    I tried Archive Manager, but it was not interested.

    When the partimage is decompressed, like a TAR, you can
    see the datablocks in there with your hex editor. It really
    should share some characteristics with dynamic VHD, VDI and
    so on. I haven't found a way to mount one. But maybe I'm not
    looking hard enough.

    Paul

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 00:20:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 18:43:15 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 4:37 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 03:08:29 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Free version would appear to do Fulls, the Paid version is
    Full, Incremental and Differential (the latter two could be
    related to Fast Backup terminology).

    rsync gives you all that in the free version. And thatrCOs Free
    software, not freeware.

    The Windows backup programs, are intended to allow ordinary people
    to make some kind of backup.

    Is rCLordinaryrCY some kind of synonym for rCLcredulousrCY? I ask because ...

    [goes on to describe a GUI-based product that started out pleasant
    to use and became enshittified]

    The thing with Free software is: what you see is what you get. ItrCOs
    never going to get enshittified, because that will be seen as a bug,
    not a feature.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 00:24:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 18:48:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 4:38 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:30:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And that is suitable for disaster recovery (a "bad disk").

    So really an all-or-nothing restore? No ability to selectively
    restore particular files that were deleted/corrupted/etc?

    I couldn't get anything to touch the partimage. I tried Archive
    Manager, but it was not interested.

    When the partimage is decompressed, like a TAR, you can see the
    datablocks in there with your hex editor. It really should share
    some characteristics with dynamic VHD, VDI and so on. I haven't
    found a way to mount one. But maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

    The KISS principle may be important in lots of software, but it seems
    to me to be vital in backup software, particularly. This is because
    the restoration function will often be exercised in a time of stress,
    when data loss has already occurred, the customer/boss is breathing
    down your neck, or in general your life is going to be seriously
    buggered up if you canrCOt get the data back.

    That is not the time to be discovering whether or not the restore
    function actually works.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 20:55:18 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    Gordon wrote:
    On 2026-02-15, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Feb 2026 12:15:23 +1100, Axel wrote:

    I could be wrong, but I think if you use Rescuezilla/Clonezilla you
    can extract files from the backup image
    It is really easier to use a backup program/regime where the backups
    are just simple filesystems in their own right.
    Very true. Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up.

    it does disk imaging

    Fudging functions is
    not best practice when there is many other backup programmes to choose from.

    The real point is to get a set of programmes which suit the user and are trusted by the user.
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 21:02:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 20:55:18 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Gordon wrote:

    Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up.

    it does disk imaging

    So does the rCLddrCY command.

    <https://manpages.debian.org/dd(1)>
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 18:46:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Wed, 2/18/2026 4:02 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 20:55:18 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Gordon wrote:

    Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up.

    it does disk imaging

    So does the rCLddrCY command.

    <https://manpages.debian.org/dd(1)>


    The difference in the example being, it does not
    use the same space that dd does.

    dd is just fine, in the right circumstances, like if
    some partitions are damaged, and you want to preserve
    the state of the disk while you experiment on recovery
    solutions. dd does not care if you are not fsck-clean.

    But for backing up perfectly good disks with fsck-clean
    file systems, there are other things you can use.

    64GB disk, OS content 13GB, Clonezilla compressed partimage 4.7GB.

    Depending on the random contents of the white space on
    the ~64GB partition, that random content might not
    compress well. You can "prep" a disk for "dd" backup
    by using zerofree, but that takes additional time as
    part of a backup procedure. You can also loopback mount
    partitions on an uncompressed dd file output... as long
    as you know the offset. And you can work out the offset
    using disktype analysis of the dd image.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Axel@none@not.here to alt.os.linux.mint on Thu Feb 19 11:20:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 2/18/2026 4:02 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 20:55:18 +1100, Axel wrote:

    Gordon wrote:
    Clonezilla is for cloning, not backing up.
    it does disk imaging
    So does the rCLddrCY command.

    <https://manpages.debian.org/dd(1)>

    The difference in the example being, it does not
    use the same space that dd does.

    dd is just fine, in the right circumstances, like if
    some partitions are damaged, and you want to preserve
    the state of the disk while you experiment on recovery
    solutions. dd does not care if you are not fsck-clean.

    But for backing up perfectly good disks with fsck-clean
    file systems, there are other things you can use.

    64GB disk, OS content 13GB, Clonezilla compressed partimage 4.7GB.

    Depending on the random contents of the white space on
    the ~64GB partition, that random content might not
    compress well. You can "prep" a disk for "dd" backup
    by using zerofree, but that takes additional time as
    part of a backup procedure. You can also loopback mount
    partitions on an uncompressed dd file output... as long
    as you know the offset. And you can work out the offset
    using disktype analysis of the dd image.

    I've used Foxclone in preference to Clonezilla, but I don't recall now
    the reason. maybe just that the GUI is easier to use?


    Paul
    --
    Linux Mint 22.3

    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Wed Feb 18 23:49:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 7:24 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 18:48:33 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Tue, 2/17/2026 4:38 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:30:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

    And that is suitable for disaster recovery (a "bad disk").

    So really an all-or-nothing restore? No ability to selectively
    restore particular files that were deleted/corrupted/etc?

    I couldn't get anything to touch the partimage. I tried Archive
    Manager, but it was not interested.

    When the partimage is decompressed, like a TAR, you can see the
    datablocks in there with your hex editor. It really should share
    some characteristics with dynamic VHD, VDI and so on. I haven't
    found a way to mount one. But maybe I'm not looking hard enough.

    The KISS principle may be important in lots of software, but it seems
    to me to be vital in backup software, particularly. This is because
    the restoration function will often be exercised in a time of stress,
    when data loss has already occurred, the customer/boss is breathing
    down your neck, or in general your life is going to be seriously
    buggered up if you canrCOt get the data back.

    That is not the time to be discovering whether or not the restore
    function actually works.


    I tried harder.

    I found a method to mount a clonezilla partclone image and gain random access.

    1) First, we use Clonezilla (a LinuxMint DVD is fine for this), and
    make a backup of our source disk (sda) to BACKUP on (sdb).

    When the dialog questions have all been answered, and Steve shows you
    the command that is about to execute, you pretend to be advancing and
    there is a chance to quit by answering "N" for No (one stanza later).

    Now, you can enter the created-command and make small changes. Like
    changing the compression option to -z0 from whatever Steve tells you.
    This leaves the partclone images uncompressed.

    /usr/sbin/ocs-sr -q2 -c -j2 -z0 -i 0 -sfsck -scs -senc -p true savedisk "2026-02-18-21-img" sda

    2) Now, acquire a LiveDVD which has /dev/ndb block devices compiled into the kernel.
    You are running as root, and so no "sudo" is required in the following.

    Github
    Name: rescuezilla-2.6.1-64bit.oracular.iso
    Size: 1498515456 bytes (1429 MiB)
    SHA256: 7EAA7318634D4831D9BDF2B683ACDCD68FB8DD42835FEE0DB8CB908DDFED2C74

    cd to the BACKUP partition and the clonezilla image you just made.

    cd /media/ubuntu/BACKUP/2026-02-18-21-img
    partclone-nbd -c sda1.ext4-ptcl-img.uncomp # This makes the partclone a block device

    In another terminal, you can mount the block device on a mount point (/mnt).

    mount /dev/nbd0 /mnt # Guess-work, as to which /dev/nbd item to use

    Now, cd to the random access file you were after.

    cd /mnt/home/bullwinkle/Downloads/
    cp background.bmp /path/to/destination...

    3) When you are ready to exit...

    In the copy-file terminal, unmount the /mnt

    cd ~
    umount /mnt

    In the client nbd terminal

    ctrl-c # The partclone-nbd program intercepts this, does orderly takedown on nbd0
    # Ignore the printed notion an error occurred.

    Now the LiveDVD can be shut down, just unmounting /media/ubuntu/BACKUP
    remains as a command for cleanup before shutdown.

    umount /media/ubuntu/BACKUP

    The colorful session with terminals all over the screen, is here.

    [Picture] Use "Download Original" if not clear

    https://i.postimg.cc/d39BTprb/Mounting-Uncompressed-Partclone-Img.gif

    Paul




    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Thu Feb 19 05:50:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 23:49:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

    I found a method to mount a clonezilla partclone image and gain
    random access.

    [lots of rigmarole omitted]

    ThatrCOs a helluva complicated way to gain access.

    The rCLddrCY command I mentioned elsewhere can do a straight copy of a partition or entire disk to an image file, which can be directly
    mounted using the regular rCLmountrCY command.

    And then of course you can avoid the whole image business altogether,
    by using rsync to do file-level backups, as we have discussed
    (multiple times) before.
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.os.linux.mint on Thu Feb 19 02:31:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: alt.os.linux.mint

    On Thu, 2/19/2026 12:50 AM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Feb 2026 23:49:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

    I found a method to mount a clonezilla partclone image and gain
    random access.

    [lots of rigmarole omitted]

    ThatrCOs a helluva complicated way to gain access.

    The rCLddrCY command I mentioned elsewhere can do a straight copy of a partition or entire disk to an image file, which can be directly
    mounted using the regular rCLmountrCY command.

    And then of course you can avoid the whole image business altogether,
    by using rsync to do file-level backups, as we have discussed
    (multiple times) before.


    Well, I'm pleased to note that a "logical thing",
    someone DID write the software for it. And despite
    some comments by the guy writing the software, the
    command line invocations are pretty simple.

    Now, all it needs is some GUI butter to make a nice meal of it.

    Paul
    --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2