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Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>



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Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.


In article <10ltuak$1bjud$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the >applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

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On 2/3/26 23:48, George wrote:

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

Good to see our cut and paste coders yet again found another way to
waste their time.
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On 04/02/2026 0:48, George wrote:

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

<snipped>



Watch out!
I downloaded and tested this.
All went well until after the boot (from a Ventoy thumb drive), when it started pushing spam at me.
Back to 'buntu as fast as I could go!!
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On 2/4/26 2:14 AM, dbnnet wrote:

Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.

In article <10ltuak$1bjud$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid says...

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the
applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release.
But it's a no go as it won't compile a needed application I have.
Not enough libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm getting too old and
I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.
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dbnnet wrote:

Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.

There's no perfect way to handle that.

LM's strategy is probably the best for most. The problem w/ rollers is
that many of them get b0rken. Mjo has a rep for pulling it off pretty
well. A user can develop a strategy for dealing w/ reinstall; and also
there's 'something to be said for that'.

My problem w/ LL is that I greatly dislike the 'idea' of trying to look
like Win (or Mac for that matter).
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George wrote:

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

I haven't tested the latest LL, but I like the idea of a distro dev/ing
tools, particularly the way MX/AntiX have done it. I will be surprised
if LL dev/s did it that well.

In a review of an earlier LL at FOSS, the comments section has some
worthwhile discussions of the concept of 'transitioning' Win users to
linux which has some good ideas for the transition tutor for the tutee,
which of course can apply to those 'jurisdictions' such as in .eu which
have w/ successes and failures have an IT dept which wants to transition
a 'population' to linux from Win.

The way to do it is to transition them from the software first, then the OS.
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Mike Easter wrote:

I haven't tested the latest LL, but I like the idea of a distro dev/ing tools, particularly the way MX/AntiX have done it. I will be surprised
if LL dev/s did it that well.

I've booted the LL 7.8 to explore its tools & features; it has default
samba and a 'tool' to config the .conf.

It also has a very impressive list of tasks the lite tweaks can do.

It is NOT a 'light' XFCE weighing in at 1500 meg to the live desktop. So
far I'm seeing pretty good docs and all those tools listed earlier. So
far I'm finding them 'simple but useful'.

Reviewers have commented surprisingly that its default browser is Chrome (144). If you go to the chrome site to dl chrome w/ linux, ggl offers
you a chromium.
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Mike Easter wrote:

I've booted the LL 7.8 to explore its tools & features;

Like LM, LL's repo/s are Ub's and its own; also like LM and unlike Ub,
LL eschews snap, but unlike LM also does not default flatpak. Its
package management is synaptic and its own lite software app.

Its default Ub repo/s are main, universe, & restricted but not multiverse.

It doesn't actually 'look like' it is trying to mimic Win, so I was
wrong about that idea. It is more like it is trying to be helpful to
previous Win users in its docs about how to handle things, such as UEFI.
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On 2026-02-04, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2/4/26 2:14 AM, dbnnet wrote:

Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.


In article <10ltuak$1bjud$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid
says...

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the
applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release.
But it's a no go as it won't compile a needed application I have.
Not enough libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm getting too old and
I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.

I tried Linux Lite 7.8 (on my Ventoy USB). The first thing I didn't like is that it uses Google Chrome instead of Firefox as its default browser. So I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it installed as a
Snap. So two strikes against it right away. I guess it's lighter, but I
didn't see much difference in it and Linux Mint's speed.

So it was a short test. I don't equate Snap usage with a distribution advertised as "lite."
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On 2026-02-04, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

dbnnet wrote:

Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.

There's no perfect way to handle that.

LM's strategy is probably the best for most. The problem w/ rollers is
that many of them get b0rken. Mjo has a rep for pulling it off pretty
well. A user can develop a strategy for dealing w/ reinstall; and also
there's 'something to be said for that'.

There was a '25 discussion in the LM forum about upgrade vs reinstall.

In that discussion there was 'support' to the idea that upgrading was
'OK' for the point releases, but for the full digit, that reinstall was 'better' than upgrading.

I think the same thing can be said for rollers; and so users would be
'best' to organize and prepare for reinstall and to learn how to do
that, as part of a 'multi-focal' backup plan.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=444677
LM upgrade VS clean install?

I now routinely run Mint Upgrade for major releases. So far no big issues. Some non-repository applications, that require older libraries, have to be reinstalled with a newer version, but that's to be expected.

Just to experiment I took an ancient Dell Latitude D430 all the way from
Linux Mint 18.1 to 22. So 18.1 to 18.3, 18.3 to 19, 19 to 19.3, 19.3 to 20,
20 to 20.3, 20.3 to 21, 21 to 21.3 and 21.3 to 22. It took forever, the D430 maxes out at 2 GBs and uses a Core 2 Duo CPU (it came out in 2008).
Obviously I wouldn't do this except as an experiment, but it did show me
that Mint Upgrade actually works pretty well.
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RonB wrote:

I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it
installed as a Snap.

I don't know why that would (should) be; my default LL does not have
snap installed in the default live.

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub
repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd
ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox. That's pretty crazy. I
don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

If I install ffx that way and check on snap again, NOW I see the Ub
snap/snapd 2.73 installed.

If I reboot my live LL to get back to the default and use synaptic
(which I prefer for its informative features) and search and hit
firefox, synaptic informs me that is a transitional dummy package and
that firefox is now replaced by the firefox snap.

In my LM, the firefox package does NOT come from the Ub repo/s; instead
it comes from the mint repo/s.

If I want to be able to add a 'proper' ffx to LL, I would go to the
mozteam ppa where I can add the repo for the ffx or ffx-esr v/s 147.0.3
or 140.7 resp and avoid the sneaky snap/d attack.

https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=noble

Even then, the .ppa site pushes a 'newer v which is a snap.
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RonB wrote:

it did show me that Mint Upgrade actually works pretty well.

Yabbut; that's not 'close enough' to a real-world evolution. In the real world, what would be happening thru' all of those versions would be
changes in your software, system and applications. Your 'original'
install would be considerably more 'battered' by your usage and changes
over the years. Your experiment is a simpler evolution.

I too have done installs followed by updates and not had any problem;
but I also do quite a bit of live + persistence instead of conventional install + update/upgrade.
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On 04/02/2026 23:49, RonB wrote:

I tried Linux Lite 7.8 (on my Ventoy USB). The first thing I didn't like is that it uses Google Chrome instead of Firefox as its default browser. So I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it installed as a Snap. So two strikes against it right away. I guess it's lighter, but I didn't see much difference in it and Linux Mint's speed.

You can download the latest Firefox release directly from the official
Mozilla website and install it manually.

1. Download the latest Firefox tarball (compressed file) from the
Mozilla website: [https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-release](https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-release)

2. Extract the tarball:

tar xjf firefox-*.tar.bz2


3. Move the extracted folder to the `/opt/` directory:

sudo mv firefox /opt/


4. Create a symbolic link to make Firefox accessible from the terminal:

sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox


5. You can now run Firefox by typing `firefox` in the terminal.




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On Wed, 2/4/2026 8:19 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

RonB wrote:

I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it
installed as a Snap.

I don't know why that would (should) be; my default LL does not have snap installed in the default live.

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox.-a That's pretty crazy. I don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

If I install ffx that way and check on snap again, NOW I see the Ub snap/snapd 2.73 installed.

If I reboot my live LL to get back to the default and use synaptic (which I prefer for its informative features) and search and hit firefox, synaptic informs me that is a transitional dummy package and that firefox is now replaced by the firefox snap.

In my LM, the firefox package does NOT come from the Ub repo/s; instead it comes from the mint repo/s.

If I want to be able to add a 'proper' ffx to LL, I would go to the mozteam ppa where I can add the repo for the ffx or ffx-esr v/s 147.0.3 or 140.7 resp and avoid the sneaky snap/d attack.

https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=noble

Even then, the .ppa site pushes a 'newer v which is a snap.

Why wouldn't the Snap version in a Ubuntu tree, request that Snap package
be pulled in ? You need all the balogna, to make a Snap baloney sandwich :-)

You can still get a .deb here, suitable for direct install without
a .ppa and this is the sort of thing the Debian tree might use.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/147.0.3/linux-x86_64/en-US/

firefox-147.0.3.deb 79M 03-Feb-2026 17:44

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Paul wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

RonB wrote:

I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it
installed as a Snap.

I don't know why that would (should) be; my default LL does not
have snap installed in the default live.

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to
the Ub repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/
snapd ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox. That's pretty
crazy. I don't believe that should happen 'that way' without
giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

If I install ffx that way and check on snap again, NOW I see the
Ub snap/snapd 2.73 installed.

If I reboot my live LL to get back to the default and use synaptic
(which I prefer for its informative features) and search and hit
firefox, synaptic informs me that is a transitional dummy package
and that firefox is now replaced by the firefox snap.

In my LM, the firefox package does NOT come from the Ub repo/s;
instead it comes from the mint repo/s.

If I want to be able to add a 'proper' ffx to LL, I would go to
the mozteam ppa where I can add the repo for the ffx or ffx-esr v/
s 147.0.3 or 140.7 resp and avoid the sneaky snap/d attack.

https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?
field.series_filter=noble

Even then, the .ppa site pushes a 'newer v which is a snap.

Why wouldn't the Snap version in a Ubuntu tree, request that Snap
package be pulled in ? You need all the balogna, to make a Snap
baloney sandwich :-)

Yes; LL uses the Ub repo/s, which results in the snap package snapd
stuff being installed when LL requests to install Ffx, such as apt.

You can still get a .deb here, suitable for direct install without
a .ppa and this is the sort of thing the Debian tree might use.

If a .ppa is 'reliable' I prefer to use a package which is specifically
for MY version of such as Ub, as opposed to some generic .deb.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/147.0.3/linux-
x86_64/en-US/

firefox-147.0.3.deb 79M 03-Feb-2026 17:44

Of course, the concept of a 'reliable' .ppa is a judgment call.

On some other occasions, such as packages for Puppy, I have used
'generic' .deb/s which worked fine.
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Mike Easter wrote:

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd
ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox.-a That's pretty crazy. I
don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

I'm reading that it is possible to configure LL to NOT use snap packages.

Since the default LL does NOT have snap/snapd or any snap apps, it is
not necessary to /remove/ snap, but it IS necessary to prevent Ub
packages from installing snap. Ub has configured 'all kinds' of
packages to install snap when they are called.

A blog cites a command rec/ed by LM to block that problem:

$ sudo cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
Package: snapd
Pin: release a=*
Pin-Priority: -10
EOF

Then, when the Ub snap-requiring package *tries* to install snapd to
install something like Ffx or chromium, the console reports that some
packages could not be installed (GOOD! and in that configuration
*Snap wonrCOt be able to install itself without our consent.*

That's the way it SHOULD be.
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On 2026-02-04, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2026-02-04, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2/4/26 2:14 AM, dbnnet wrote:

Looks appealing but the required re-install for every major
update is a non starter for me.
At least Linux Mint provides a full upgrade path, and
Manjaro being a rolling distro avoids that headache too.


In article <10ltuak$1bjud$1@paganini.bofh.team>, invalid@invalid.invalid >>> says...

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the
applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications >>>> to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release.
But it's a no go as it won't compile a needed application I have.
Not enough libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm getting too old and
I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.

I tried Linux Lite 7.8 (on my Ventoy USB). The first thing I didn't like is that it uses Google Chrome instead of Firefox as its default browser. So I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it installed as a Snap. So two strikes against it right away. I guess it's lighter, but I didn't see much difference in it and Linux Mint's speed.

So it was a short test. I don't equate Snap usage with a distribution advertised as "lite."

There seems to be a mind set forming around snaps, you either love them or
hate them.

Linux Mint allows snaps but one has to invite it in.

The clutter in the home directory drives me crazy.
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On 2026-02-05, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub
repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd
ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox.-a That's pretty crazy. I
don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to
install the snap/snapd.

I'm reading that it is possible to configure LL to NOT use snap packages.

Linux Mint does this out of the box, and has done so for several moons.

Since the default LL does NOT have snap/snapd or any snap apps, it is
not necessary to /remove/ snap, but it IS necessary to prevent Ub
packages from installing snap. Ub has configured 'all kinds' of
packages to install snap when they are called.

A blog cites a command rec/ed by LM to block that problem:

$ sudo cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
Package: snapd
Pin: release a=*
Pin-Priority: -10
EOF

Then, when the Ub snap-requiring package *tries* to install snapd to
install something like Ffx or chromium, the console reports that some packages could not be installed (GOOD! and in that configuration
*Snap wonrCOt be able to install itself without our consent.*

Even better.

That's the way it SHOULD be.

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Gordon wrote:

Ubuntu sees all pagakges as snaps. Well not quite but Ubuntu would
like it to be it this way.

There is 'something' to be said for the 'concept'; as there has always
been fragmentation across distro/s and their differences.

So, one should probably debate the pro/s & con/s of the various
approaches to the concept, which results in yet another 'fragmentation' development.

Reading the snap wp article, I learned that the different Ub flavors
have dealt w/ the 'contrary' scheme of flatpak 'differently' (from each other), but now they are supposed to get in line.

Personally I'm not convinced that any of the other containerized systems
are any better than Barry Kauler's (of Puppy fame) Easy OS. I think I
interpret Jesse Smith's opinion as the same as mine.

Here we are, six years later, and EasyOS is still a long way ahead
of every other distribution in terms of creating and managing
container environments.

https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20250915#easyos
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Gordon wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

Mike Easter wrote:

I'm reading that it is possible to configure LL to NOT use snap packages.

Linux Mint does this out of the box, and has done so for several moons.

LM does a *great* job of using Ub repo/s while eschewing many of Ub's
bad decisions such as Gnome per se and Snap, while allowing the
alternative flatpak; and also keeping its hand in Debian, in case
he/they decide to dump Ub entirely.

In a way, the snap 'system' and controversy has resemblances to the
systemd system; altho' I think systemd has enough advantages to justify
its existence and 'domination' whereas the same doesn't apply to snap, IMO.
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On 2026-02-05, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

RonB wrote:

I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it
installed as a Snap.

I don't know why that would (should) be; my default LL does not have
snap installed in the default live.

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd
ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox. That's pretty crazy. I
don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

If I install ffx that way and check on snap again, NOW I see the Ub snap/snapd 2.73 installed.

If I reboot my live LL to get back to the default and use synaptic
(which I prefer for its informative features) and search and hit
firefox, synaptic informs me that is a transitional dummy package and
that firefox is now replaced by the firefox snap.

In my LM, the firefox package does NOT come from the Ub repo/s; instead
it comes from the mint repo/s.

If I want to be able to add a 'proper' ffx to LL, I would go to the
mozteam ppa where I can add the repo for the ffx or ffx-esr v/s 147.0.3
or 140.7 resp and avoid the sneaky snap/d attack.

https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=noble

Even then, the .ppa site pushes a 'newer v which is a snap.

Snaps are a big reason I don't like Ubuntu (that and Gnome). I'm happy that Linux Mint doesn't enable Snaps by default.
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On 2026-02-05, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 2/4/2026 8:19 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

RonB wrote:

I installed Firefox using "sudo apt install firefox" and it
installed as a Snap.

I don't know why that would (should) be; my default LL does not have snap installed in the default live.

If I use the LL software manager, to install firefox it goes to the Ub repo/s to install Ffx, which Ub package installs the snap/snapd ecosystem (in order to) install Ub's firefox.-a That's pretty crazy. I don't believe that should happen 'that way' without giving permission to install the snap/snapd.

If I install ffx that way and check on snap again, NOW I see the Ub snap/snapd 2.73 installed.

If I reboot my live LL to get back to the default and use synaptic (which I prefer for its informative features) and search and hit firefox, synaptic informs me that is a transitional dummy package and that firefox is now replaced by the firefox snap.

In my LM, the firefox package does NOT come from the Ub repo/s; instead it comes from the mint repo/s.

If I want to be able to add a 'proper' ffx to LL, I would go to the mozteam ppa where I can add the repo for the ffx or ffx-esr v/s 147.0.3 or 140.7 resp and avoid the sneaky snap/d attack.

https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=noble

Even then, the .ppa site pushes a 'newer v which is a snap.

Why wouldn't the Snap version in a Ubuntu tree, request that Snap package
be pulled in ? You need all the balogna, to make a Snap baloney sandwich :-)

You can still get a .deb here, suitable for direct install without
a .ppa and this is the sort of thing the Debian tree might use.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/147.0.3/linux-x86_64/en-US/

firefox-147.0.3.deb 79M 03-Feb-2026 17:44

Paul

That's how I would have installed Firefox had I known that Linux Lite was going to install Snap and then install the Snap version of Firefox. I just didn't expect that in light Linux.
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Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release.
But it's a no go as it won't compile a needed application I have.
Not enough libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm getting too old and
I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.

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Alan K.

I have installed & messed around with a fair number of Xfce
distros over the years (I only use Xfce), most of them I
abandoned rather quickly as I found issues like you
mentioned above.
Manjaro & MX were at least decent, but not as "refined"
as Mint. As far as a light weight distro is concerned.
I found Peppermint OS to be pretty good.
That said, it would take something quite exceptional to make me migrate
from Mint Xfce... but with +600 distros around, who knows what
the next new distro will be like!

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On 2/6/26 4:42 AM, dbnnet wrote:

Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release.
But it's a no go as it won't compile a needed application I have.
Not enough libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm

getting too old and

I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.

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I have installed & messed around with a fair number of Xfce
distros over the years (I only use Xfce), most of them I
abandoned rather quickly as I found issues like you
mentioned above.
Manjaro & MX were at least decent, but not as "refined"
as Mint. As far as a light weight distro is concerned.
I found Peppermint OS to be pretty good.
That said, it would take something quite exceptional to make me migrate
from Mint Xfce... but with +600 distros around, who knows what
the next new distro will be like!

I subscribe to Distro Watch's rss feed and I'm amazed at the number of releases I see and
the names are nowhere on the top 100's list. And I'm also amazed at the number of "new"
releases. Some are rather specialized.
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2026 03:40:27 +0000, George wrote:

4. Create a symbolic link to make Firefox accessible from the
terminal:

sudo ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox

Better to put your symlink in /usr/local/bin. Leave /usr/bin for your
standard distro packages. This will have two effects:

* Your symlink will not be overwritten by any standard distro package
* In fact, your /usr/local/bin entry will typically be given higher
priority than any /usr/bin entry with the same name.
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 10:35:50 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

My problem w/ LL is that I greatly dislike the 'idea' of trying to
look like Win (or Mac for that matter).

ThatrCOs just a GUI choice. Unlike with Win (or Mac for that matter),
the GUI look isnrCOt baked into the OS kernel.
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 17:29:27 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

Your 'original' install would be considerably more 'battered' by
your usage and changes over the years.

There is usually a clear separation between code and data. The code
(and read-only data) comes from distro packages, and can be verified
against them at any time. User-writable data (documents, preferences
etc) is controlled by the user, and is typically the only part that
they need to fiddle with.

So there is no opportunity for the read-only components to get
rCLbatteredrCY in any way -- not without this being easily noticed.
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 11:30:07 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

Manjaro appeals to me since it's a rolling release. But it's a no go
as it won't compile a needed application I have. Not enough
libraries etc. I tried the newest one out and I guess I'm getting
too old and I just didn't want to try and fix all the missing files.

The distro with the largest choice of standard packages seems to be
Debian (and most of its offshoots). I think thererCOs something like
50,000 packages in there, at least on x86.

If you donrCOt like Debian rCLstablerCY releases, there are also the options
of doing a rCLtestingrCY install ... or go for the ultimate in a
bleeding-edge setup with rCLunstablerCY ...
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 11:29:17 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

I subscribe to Distro Watch's rss feed and I'm amazed at the number
of releases I see and the names are nowhere on the top 100's list.
And I'm also amazed at the number of "new" releases. Some are rather specialized.

Some people think it must be really complicated and take a lot of work
to create a new distro. It doesnrCOt, particularly if you just want to
do a few small tweaks on top of an existing distro.

Debian seems to have the best tools for making such offshoots easy to
create, which would be why it has spawned more of them than any other rCLmotherrCY distro ...
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2026 10:35:50 -0800
Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

dbnnet wrote:

//

My problem w/ LL is that I greatly dislike the 'idea' of trying to look
like Win (or Mac for that matter).

Mike Easter

If you had been running a business in 2003 and decided to intrioduce
all your staff to linux without grinding everything to a halt. How
wouold you do it?

My solution was to make the Linux desktop (of Mandrake as it was then)
to look like Windows 98 by using a collection of icons I had garnered
from several sources and then installed the Win4lin hypervisor. then
hosting Windows 98.

It went pretty well.

Alan
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pinnerite wrote:

If you had been running a business in 2003 and decided to intrioduce
all your staff to linux without grinding everything to a halt. How
wouold you do it?

My solution was to make the Linux desktop (of Mandrake as it was then)
to look like Windows 98 by using a collection of icons I had garnered
from several sources and then installed the Win4lin hypervisor. then
hosting Windows 98.

It went pretty well.

I have no experience w/ that 'business' of moving a 'group' of people
from Win to Linux, but I've read about it. I have one 'little'
experience w/ a friend who was 'always' a Win user, but when he came to
visit me, the 'station' I provided him was some linux distro, I forget
which one just now. He did fine.

I /wouldn't/ say he consistently did 'fine' w/ Win; the main reason I
kept 'my hand in' Win thru' XP was to help him (and some others).

But, in the 'adventures' of the 'tech teams' I read about in .eu, I
think a better way to do it is to convert the 'masses' away from the 'conventional' Win software while on Windows to something that runs on
linux, and THEN change the underlying OS to linux.

Personally, I don't think the 'appearance' of the Win desktop is the 'solution', I think it is the unfamiliarity of the apps /along with/ the differences in the underlying system; in which the differences in the underlying system is less important, because the 'world' of the 'masses'
isn't in the underlying system nearly as much as it is in their
'everyday world' ie the apps.
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On 2/10/26 12:48 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

pinnerite wrote:

If you had been running a business in 2003 and decided to intrioduce
all your staff to linux without grinding everything to a halt. How
wouold you do it?

My solution was to make the Linux desktop (of Mandrake as it was then)
to look like Windows 98 by using a collection of icons I had garnered
from several sources and then installed the Win4lin hypervisor. then
hosting Windows 98.

It went pretty well.

I have no experience w/ that 'business' of moving a 'group' of people
from Win to Linux, but I've read about it. I have one 'little'
experience w/ a friend who was 'always' a Win user, but when he came to
visit me, the 'station' I provided him was some linux distro, I forget
which one just now. He did fine.

I /wouldn't/ say he consistently did 'fine' w/ Win; the main reason I
kept 'my hand in' Win thru' XP was to help him (and some others).

But, in the 'adventures' of the 'tech teams' I read about in .eu, I
think a better way to do it is to convert the 'masses' away from the 'conventional' Win software while on Windows to something that runs on
linux, and THEN change the underlying OS to linux.

Personally, I don't think the 'appearance' of the Win desktop is the 'solution', I think it is the unfamiliarity of the apps /along with/ the differences in the underlying system; in which the differences in the underlying system is less important, because the 'world' of the 'masses' isn't in the underlying system nearly as much as it is in their
'everyday world' ie the apps.

I never thought about the idea of putting Linux apps on Windows so later the change to
Linux has less impact since the same app is there. It's taking baby steps.
I now do it the other way around, I put GIMP for instance on Windows so I have that
familiar app to play with.

I'd like to find a good text editor that is Linux/Window. Just googled and saw 'Kate'.
I've used it in KDE and it's good. I guess that's this weeks toy!!
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 14:18:29 -0500
"Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

[]

I'd like to find a good text editor that is Linux/Window. Just googled and saw 'Kate'.
I've used it in KDE and it's good. I guess that's this weeks toy!!

Geany is close enough to Notepad for me.
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On 04/02/2026 21:56, Alan K. wrote:

On 2/3/26 5:48 PM, George wrote:

Linux Lite 7.8 comes with 12 completely new re-writes of 12 of the
applications as they move towards changing the majority of applications
to Python and GTK4 in Series 8.

These include:

- Lite Auto Login
- Lite Desktop
- Lite DPI
- Lite Firewall
- Lite Network Shares
- Lite Software
- Lite Sounds
- Lite Sources
- Lite System Report
- Lite Theme Manager
- Lite Updates
- Lite User Manager
- Lite Welcome

<https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php>

It's Xfce.-a-a Does this look/feel like Linux Mint Xfce?-a-a I've never
used Xfce so I'm just asking.
I've used a lot of KDE 5/6 and find some just slightly different.

You can install any desktop you like. For example to install cinnamon
try this:

sudo apt update
sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment

To Install GNOME (though not suitable for low spec machine):

1) For a clean, minimal GNOME installation (recommended):
sudo apt install vanilla-gnome-desktop.

2) For the full GNOME desktop environment with extra utilities:
sudo apt install gnome.

Obviously you can't do all this in Ventoy Life disk because it's heavy
going.






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