one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update
apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for everything.
On 1/1/26 11:55 PM, Axel wrote:
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always
something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean
registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for
everything.
Virus scan? Defrag? Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What
maintenance apps?
None of those I do 'always'. Yes I do update apps, but I use Patch my PC home updater
and in one click it tells me what, if any, need to be updated, and will do that for me.
So as much as I agree with you and I wouldn't leave my Linux and don't do much in Windows
because I'm just not comfortable any longer, I wouldn't say it's as bad as you say.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for everything.
On 2026-01-02, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
On 1/1/26 11:55 PM, Axel wrote:
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always
something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean
registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for
everything.
Virus scan? Defrag? Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What
maintenance apps?
None of those I do 'always'. Yes I do update apps, but I use Patch my PC home updater
and in one click it tells me what, if any, need to be updated, and will do that for me.
So as much as I agree with you and I wouldn't leave my Linux and don't do much in Windows
because I'm just not comfortable any longer, I wouldn't say it's as bad as you say.
All I was doing with Windows for about three years was updating it every two to three months. And even that irritated me. Unlike Linux Mint where you can watch the update in "real time,"the Windows update procedure is opaque. You never know what the hell it's doing at any give time. It just seems to sit there for 40 minutes to an hour. I can install and completely update Linux Mint in about half the time an "every other month" update takes in Windows.
Axel wrote:
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for everything.
Try working with an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, connected to a huge network. Even starting up takes forever. After logging in, it says I'm "Welcome" and then it starts spinning its little circle of balls for almost two minutes. That's usually when I go get some coffee. Then when you're finally in your session, the fun really begins with Windows constantly giving "recommendations" and "suggestions" and "do you want this?", "do you want that?", "have you tried this", "did you know this?" and "have you considered that?". Just opening Outlook or Word will also nag you with some messages or notifications. And then there's the start menu. One click that's slightly off and Edge suddenly opens and presents you with "latest news" or a bunch of advertisements or "search results" that you didn't ask for. And don't get me started on the "settings" that are all over the place. Then there's the updates: "You're 100% there. Please keep your computer on". Only that "100%" can easily
last for up to ten minutes. Shutting down the computer after work? "Please wait..." another three minutes or so spinning circles before the computer finally shuts down.
I really don't understand how people want to use Windows on their personal computer... You should hear my sigh of relief when I start up Mint after work. What a joy to do what I want on my computer without Microsoft constantly looking over my shoulder and slowing everything down.
Oh, did you know that pressing Ctrl-Win-Shift-Alt + L in Windows takes you immediately to the LinkedIn website? Why Microsoft? Is that website of yours so important that it needs its own shortcut in the operating system?
You guessed it: I don't like Windows.
End of rant. Happy with Mint since 2007.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag,
update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
At Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:55:01 +1100, Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM vI share your sentiments, and I think Linux Mint's maintenance
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update
apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
is minimal. Isn't it nice to have a trustworthy platform, with
low maintenance, which let's you do more of the computing
that _you_ want to do? (I think so!)
On 1/1/26 11:55 PM, Axel wrote:
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always
something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean
registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for
everything.
Virus scan?-a Defrag?-a Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What maintenance apps?
None of those I do 'always'.-a-a Yes I do update apps, but I use Patch
my PC home updater and in one click it tells me what, if any, need to
be updated, and will do that for me.
So as much as I agree with you and I wouldn't leave my Linux and don't
do much in Windows because I'm just not comfortable any longer, I
wouldn't say it's as bad as you say.
Axel wrote:
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update
apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
Try working with an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, connected to a
huge network. Even starting up takes forever. After logging in, it
says I'm "Welcome" and then it starts spinning its little circle of
balls for almost two minutes. That's usually when I go get some
coffee. Then when you're finally in your session, the fun really
begins with Windows constantly giving "recommendations" and
"suggestions" and "do you want this?", "do you want that?", "have you
tried this", "did you know this?" and "have you considered that?".
Just opening Outlook or Word will also nag you with some messages or notifications. And then there's the start menu. One click that's
slightly off and Edge suddenly opens and presents you with "latest
news" or a bunch of advertisements or "search results" that you didn't
ask for. And don't get me started on the "settings" that are all over
the place. Then there's the updates: "You're 100% there. Please keep
your computer on". Only that "100%" can easily last for up to ten
minutes. Shutting down the computer after work? "Please wait..."
another three minutes or so spinning circles before the computer
finally shuts down.
I really don't understand how people want to use Windows on their
personal computer...
You should hear my sigh of relief when I start up Mint after work.
What a joy to do what I want on my computer without Microsoft
constantly looking over my shoulder and slowing everything down.
Oh, did you know that pressing Ctrl-Win-Shift-Alt + L in Windows takes
you immediately to the LinkedIn website? Why Microsoft? Is that
website of yours so important that it needs its own shortcut in the operating system?
You guessed it: I don't like Windows.
End of rant. Happy with Mint since 2007.
On Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:55:01 +1100, Axel wrote:
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM vYou remind me of the coming of Japanese cars to a market dominated by
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag,
update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
e.g. British ones, back in the day.
British cars were tricky to start on cold mornings, and even after
they got going, were prone to breakdowns. Sometimes parts were
ill-fitting or fell off altogether. They leaked oil on the driveway.
Basic things like a car radio cost extra.
Along came the Japanese, with cars that rCLjust workedrCY. They never had
any trouble starting. Once started, they did usually get to where you
wanted to go. The parts actually fitted together properly. Your
driveway stayed clean. The car radio came standard!
Technology that simply does what you want without any fuss or drama--
should be something that you can take for granted. But it can be
difficult to advertise the absence of something, even if itrCOs a bad
thing.
Particularly if the company with the inferior product has a much
bigger advertising budget.
On Fri, 1/2/2026 11:19 AM, RonB wrote:
On 2026-01-02, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
On 1/1/26 11:55 PM, Axel wrote:
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx, >>>> is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always >>>> something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean >>>> registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc., >>>> It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well, >>>> as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for
everything.
Virus scan? Defrag? Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What
maintenance apps?
None of those I do 'always'. Yes I do update apps, but I use Patch my PC home updater
and in one click it tells me what, if any, need to be updated, and will do that for me.
So as much as I agree with you and I wouldn't leave my Linux and don't do much in Windows
because I'm just not comfortable any longer, I wouldn't say it's as bad as you say.
All I was doing with Windows for about three years was updating it every two
to three months. And even that irritated me. Unlike Linux Mint where you can
watch the update in "real time,"the Windows update procedure is opaque. You >> never know what the hell it's doing at any give time. It just seems to sit >> there for 40 minutes to an hour. I can install and completely update Linux >> Mint in about half the time an "every other month" update takes in Windows. >>
Technically, a lot of what Windows does, is automated.
But what it specializes in, is aggravation.
Let's take a Patch Tuesday. It's automated, but it might want a reboot at some point. A lot of experienced users (you or I), may want to be
"done with these updates so I can stop caring about this background activity".
There is a "feature", "Hours of Use" or so, that might say "we notice
you use your machine from 7 to 23". This implies, that (maybe, who knows) the updates would proceed with authority, during the hours that the user is not present.
Instead, of a patch set, one file (the Cumulative Security Update for the month),
will process, the package management will have finished scanning the tree and collecting packages needing updates, and then it just... stops. It won't install.
Well, Microsoft has some silly idea about "CO2" and how an update could produce more CO2 if the generation facility ran on diesel generators at night, and solar panels in the daytime. If (strawman) they were to delay
this single update, until the sun comes up, then while the update is happening,
less CO2 is being generated.
The idea is just so much delusional bunk. They don't really know the condition
of the electrical grid where I am, not in any detail. It is purest crap-thinking
to delay the installation because... the damn computer is still running and making all of that CO2 while we wait for this patch to install.
Instead, you should proceed with all haste, to finish a compute activity as soon
as it arrives. Once you've committed to *downloading* a fucking patch, your committed to *installing* the thing.
And this represents the tortured logic that goes through some committee-think in some departments at Microsoft. Yes, at some level, we hates the CO2. But on the other hand, when it comes to implementation, we "select the absolute stupidest thing we can think of" for the implementation.
*******
To make a stalled patch proceed, try pulling the network cable, and putting it
back in again. Sometimes, little stimuli, can cause the patch to wake up and go ahead. Pretending you are going to shut down, doesn't always work, and
one side effect of shutting down in the past, is it would dump all the goods downloaded, and start the download all over again (even though a quick hash check
would verify there was nothing whatsoever wrong with the goods). Other times, it is semi-successful at noting it already had a lot of the needed content onboard.
It's just one thing after another like this.
Notice then that:
1) It's automated.
2) The intern wrote the automation.
3) Profit.
Paul
Axel wrote:
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always
something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean
registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for
everything.
Try working with an Enterprise edition of Windows 11, connected to a
huge network. Even starting up takes forever. After logging in, it says
I'm "Welcome" and then it starts spinning its little circle of balls for almost two minutes. That's usually when I go get some coffee. Then when you're finally in your session, the fun really begins with Windows constantly giving "recommendations" and "suggestions" and "do you want this?", "do you want that?", "have you tried this", "did you know this?"
and "have you considered that?". Just opening Outlook or Word will also
nag you with some messages or notifications. And then there's the start menu. One click that's slightly off and Edge suddenly opens and presents
you with "latest news" or a bunch of advertisements or "search results"
that you didn't ask for. And don't get me started on the "settings" that
are all over the place. Then there's the updates: "You're 100% there.
Please keep your computer on". Only that "100%" can easily last for up
to ten minutes. Shutting down the computer after work? "Please wait..." another three minutes or so spinning circles before the computer finally shuts down.
I really don't understand how people want to use Windows on their
personal computer... You should hear my sigh of relief when I start up
Mint after work. What a joy to do what I want on my computer without Microsoft constantly looking over my shoulder and slowing everything down.
Oh, did you know that pressing Ctrl-Win-Shift-Alt + L in Windows takes
you immediately to the LinkedIn website? Why Microsoft? Is that website
of yours so important that it needs its own shortcut in the operating system?
You guessed it: I don't like Windows.
End of rant. Happy with Mint since 2007.
Alan K. wrote:|
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.
Virus scan?-a Defrag?-a Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What maintenance apps?
I used these..
system cleaning: https://www.iobit.com/en/advancedsystemcarepro.php \ driver updates: https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster-pro.php \________
software updates: https://www.iobit.com/en/iobit-software-updater.php / |
|
they're the best I've found. and for AV Windows Defender |
On Fri, 1/2/2026 6:29 PM, Axel wrote:
Alan K. wrote:|
A lot of what you say, IMHO, might just be you.I used these..
Virus scan?-a Defrag?-a Registry clean (surely not)? Software/driver updates? What maintenance apps?
system cleaning: https://www.iobit.com/en/advancedsystemcarepro.php \
driver updates: https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster-pro.php \________
software updates: https://www.iobit.com/en/iobit-software-updater.php / |
|
they're the best I've found. and for AV Windows Defender |
Yikes :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Paul
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v Winx,
is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run maintenance app, etc.,
It seemed I almost spent as much time trying to keep Winx running well,
as I did using it. With LM it's just one click of the 'shield' for everything.
On 1/1/26 23:55, Axel wrote:
Prezactly...That is why I started running Mint 15 years ago and never
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM v
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update
apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
went back to Windoze. I am in no way a power user, geek, or even use a computer for anything but browsing, newsgroups, file splitting, and
photo enhancing. The few times I have need for the terminal, I have a
cheat sheet. Copy and paste is my friend. :)
vallor wrote:Many businesses work diligently to provide us with work,
At Fri, 2 Jan 2026 15:55:01 +1100, Axel <none@not.here> wrote:yes indeed
one thing in particular that has become obvious to me about LM vI share your sentiments, and I think Linux Mint's maintenance
Winx, is that I can just turn it on and use it! With windose there
was always something that needed doing.. a virus scan, defrag, update
apps, clean registry, software updates, driver updates, run
maintenance app, etc., It seemed I almost spent as much time trying
to keep Winx running well, as I did using it. With LM it's just one
click of the 'shield' for everything.
is minimal. Isn't it nice to have a trustworthy platform, with
low maintenance, which let's you do more of the computing
that _you_ want to do? (I think so!)
Good grief, I had no idea Windows has gotten this bad. Why would anyone use >who didn't have to?Is it like religion? You believe, what your parents believed in.
RonB wrote:
Good grief, I had no idea Windows has gotten this bad. Why would anyone use >>who didn't have to?
Is it like religion? You believe, what your parents believed in.
Regards,
H.
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