No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
Not at all. Perhaps you are a slob and don't keep it clean or have ventilation while cooking.
On 1/25/2026 11:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >>> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
Not at all. Perhaps you are a slob and don't keep it clean or have
ventilation while cooking.
My biggest gripe about open floor plans is noise - clatter from the
kitchen area, overhearing a phone conversation not involving me, hearing
my spouse's iPad playing a podcast through those tinny sounding
speakers, etc. etc. We told our real estate agent that it was an
absolute non-starter when we decided to move from our single family
detached 4 bedroom + den home on 3 levels and started looking for a
condo to move to.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 1/25/2026 9:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.Every guest loves the smell of my cooking.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings,
photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.If you have a vented range hood, which should be required in any new construction even if the house is all electric, you don't have
"kitchen oil residue."
On 1/26/2026 8:54 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/25/2026 11:43 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/25/2026 10:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >>>> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
Not at all. Perhaps you are a slob and don't keep it clean or have
ventilation while cooking.
My biggest gripe about open floor plans is noise - clatter from the
kitchen area, overhearing a phone conversation not involving me, hearing
my spouse's iPad playing a podcast through those tinny sounding
speakers, etc. etc. We told our real estate agent that it was an
absolute non-starter when we decided to move from our single family
detached 4 bedroom + den home on 3 levels and started looking for a
condo to move to.
I like it open. Most people have portable phones so the conversation
can be moved away easily. No pod cast here, but music on most of the
day and is easily heard if you are reading in the living room or making coffee in the kitchen.
I'm sitting in the living room. My kitchen has an 8' slider and from
here I have a nice view of the outdoors. I don't want a wall to
obstruct it.
I can also sit and watch the news and see the timer on the air fryer and microwave if they are in use.
https://postimg.cc/pyqCR5rJ
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our "land line"
so whether someone in the open floor plan units we inspected would be
using their cell phone or one of our cordless handsets, the noise factor
would be identical.-a If the kitchen slider existed and was closed in
most open plan units we inspected, it would shut out all potential
natural light requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in
the kitchen.
I don't understand that.-a The slider is two 4' sections of glass on an outside wall.-a LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our "land line" >>> so whether someone in the open floor plan units we inspected would be
using their cell phone or one of our cordless handsets, the noise factor >>> would be identical. If the kitchen slider existed and was closed in
most open plan units we inspected, it would shut out all potential
natural light requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in
the kitchen.
I don't understand that. The slider is two 4' sections of glass on an
outside wall. LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade separating the kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor plan. I can't
picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield adjacent areas of
the floor plan from noise originating in the kitchen area. In fact, if
it is on the outside wall, and allows plenty of light through it (I
assume there's a window on the outside wall where the slider is placed),
what purpose does the slider serve besides thermal insulation?
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our "land line" >>>> so whether someone in the open floor plan units we inspected would be
using their cell phone or one of our cordless handsets, the noise factor >>>> would be identical. If the kitchen slider existed and was closed in
most open plan units we inspected, it would shut out all potential
natural light requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in >>>> the kitchen.
I don't understand that. The slider is two 4' sections of glass on an
outside wall. LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade separating the
kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor plan. I can't
picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield adjacent areas of
the floor plan from noise originating in the kitchen area. In fact, if
it is on the outside wall, and allows plenty of light through it (I
assume there's a window on the outside wall where the slider is placed),
what purpose does the slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside. It provides light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
On 1/28/2026 12:22 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our "land line" >>>>> so whether someone in the open floor plan units we inspected would be >>>>> using their cell phone or one of our cordless handsets, the noise factor >>>>> would be identical. If the kitchen slider existed and was closed in >>>>> most open plan units we inspected, it would shut out all potential
natural light requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in >>>>> the kitchen.
I don't understand that. The slider is two 4' sections of glass on an >>>> outside wall. LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade separating the >>> kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor plan. I can't
picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield adjacent areas of
the floor plan from noise originating in the kitchen area. In fact, if
it is on the outside wall, and allows plenty of light through it (I
assume there's a window on the outside wall where the slider is placed), >>> what purpose does the slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside. It provides
light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Thanks for the clarification and photos. Nice view out back! The
meaning of "slider" might be regional. Analogous to the variety of
terms used in different parts of the country to designate a carbonated >non-alcoholic beverage or for a full sized sandwich where the filling is >placed between the two halves of an oblong roll. When I think of
"slider", what comes to my mind is small sized sandwich. Your "slider"
is called a "sliding window" by window sellers and installers where I
live. I know because I recently shopped for, purchased, and had
installed 3 of them.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade separating the >>> kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor plan. I can't
picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield adjacent areas of
the floor plan from noise originating in the kitchen area. In fact, if
it is on the outside wall, and allows plenty of light through it (I
assume there's a window on the outside wall where the slider is placed), >>> what purpose does the slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside. It provides
light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Thanks for the clarification and photos. Nice view out back! The
meaning of "slider" might be regional. Analogous to the variety of
terms used in different parts of the country to designate a carbonated non-alcoholic beverage or for a full sized sandwich where the filling is placed between the two halves of an oblong roll. When I think of
"slider", what comes to my mind is small sized sandwich. Your "slider"
is called a "sliding window" by window sellers and installers where I
live. I know because I recently shopped for, purchased, and had
installed 3 of them.
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
On 1/25/26 7:50 PM, andy wrote:
No guest wants to walk into your house, see, and smell your kitchen.
The open floor plan is just bullshit to reduce construction costs.
Kitchen oil residue and fumes screw up electronics, paintings, photographs >> and anything paper.
That's what you get with an open floor plan.
My wife and I like it becasue we can talk to each other
across the expanse. Not to mention, she is easy on the
eyes. I will never go back to a closed floor plan.
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our
"land line" so whether someone in the open floor plan units we
inspected would be using their cell phone or one of our cordless
handsets, the noise factor would be identical. If the kitchen
slider existed and was closed in most open plan units we
inspected, it would shut out all potential natural light
requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in the
kitchen.
I don't understand that. The slider is two 4' sections of glass
on an outside wall. LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade
separating the kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor
plan. I can't picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield adjacent areas of the floor plan from noise originating in the
kitchen area. In fact, if it is on the outside wall, and allows
plenty of light through it (I assume there's a window on the
outside wall where the slider is placed), what purpose does the
slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside. It
provides light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Nice view out back!
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 12:22:02 -0500
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our
"land line" so whether someone in the open floor plan units we
inspected would be using their cell phone or one of our cordless
handsets, the noise factor would be identical. If the kitchen
slider existed and was closed in most open plan units we
inspected, it would shut out all potential natural light
requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in the
kitchen.
I don't understand that. The slider is two 4' sections of glass
on an outside wall. LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade
separating the kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor
plan. I can't picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield
adjacent areas of the floor plan from noise originating in the
kitchen area. In fact, if it is on the outside wall, and allows
plenty of light through it (I assume there's a window on the
outside wall where the slider is placed), what purpose does the
slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside. It
provides light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
That's nice enough looking.
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Looks like something out of a horror movie with all that dead spanish
moss hanging around...
https://youtu.be/BiP6W0ZCQRg?t=101
On 1/29/2026 11:18 AM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 12:22:02 -0500Prompted me to take a picture of back of my house today:
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our
"land line" so whether someone in the open floor plan units we
inspected would be using their cell phone or one of our cordless
handsets, the noise factor would be identical.-a If the kitchen
slider existed and was closed in most open plan units we
inspected, it would shut out all potential natural light
requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in the
kitchen.
I don't understand that.-a The slider is two 4' sections of glass
on an outside wall.-a LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade
separating the kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor
plan.-a I can't picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield
adjacent areas of the floor plan from noise originating in the
kitchen area.-a In fact, if it is on the outside wall, and allows
plenty of light through it (I assume there's a window on the
outside wall where the slider is placed), what purpose does the
slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside.-a It
provides light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
That's nice enough looking.
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Looks like something out of a horror movie with all that dead spanish
moss hanging around...
https://youtu.be/BiP6W0ZCQRg?t=101
https://imgur.com/hZw21XI
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:14:57 -0500
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
You have a far larger and nicer lot, and prolly no hurricane or flood worries.
On 1/29/2026 3:09 PM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:14:57 -0500
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
You have a far larger and nicer lot, and prolly no hurricane or flood
worries.
Eight inches of powder snow with a crust of sleet/freezing rain on top
is a pain in the ass but infinitely preferable to hurricanes and
flooding . Most of last weekend's snow is starting to melt , shaded
areas of course will take a while longer . We were "lucky" , the snow
here was light and fluffy . Farther south they got a wet heavy mix that >collapsed roofs .
On 1/29/2026 1:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2026 11:18 AM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 12:22:02 -0500Prompted me to take a picture of back of my house today:
Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 1/28/2026 11:07 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 1/28/2026 12:00 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 1/27/2026 8:27 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
We have a 4 handset cordless phone providing service for our
"land line" so whether someone in the open floor plan units we
inspected would be using their cell phone or one of our cordless >>>>>>> handsets, the noise factor would be identical.-a If the kitchen
slider existed and was closed in most open plan units we
inspected, it would shut out all potential natural light
requiring us turn on lights to see what we were doing in the
kitchen.
I don't understand that.-a The slider is two 4' sections of glass
on an outside wall.-a LOTS of light.
Unless you are referring to an interior divider.
I thought you were referring to an opaque accordion shade
separating the kitchen area from adjacent areas in the open floor
plan.-a I can't picture how a slider on an outside wall would shield >>>>> adjacent areas of the floor plan from noise originating in the
kitchen area.-a In fact, if it is on the outside wall, and allows
plenty of light through it (I assume there's a window on the
outside wall where the slider is placed), what purpose does the
slider serve besides thermal insulation?
The slider is the window and it is the door to the outside.-a It
provides light and access to the lanai and outside world.
https://postimg.cc/PC70x8RD
That's nice enough looking.
This is at the back of my property
https://postimg.cc/kVkwrQhj
Looks like something out of a horror movie with all that dead spanish
moss hanging around...
https://youtu.be/BiP6W0ZCQRg?t=101
https://imgur.com/hZw21XI
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
I remember that white stuff.-a Don't miss it much.
I bet you don't see much of the neighbors once the leaves come back.
Plenty of summer privacy.
On 1/29/2026 3:09 PM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:14:57 -0500
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
You have a far larger and nicer lot, and prolly no hurricane or flood
worries.
Eight inches of powder snow with a crust of sleet/freezing rain on top
is a pain in the ass but infinitely preferable to hurricanes and
flooding . Most of last weekend's snow is starting to melt , shaded
areas of course will take a while longer . We were "lucky" , the snow
here was light and fluffy . Farther south they got a wet heavy mix that collapsed roofs .
On 1/29/2026 4:48 PM, Snag wrote:
On 1/29/2026 3:09 PM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:14:57 -0500
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
You have a far larger and nicer lot, and prolly no hurricane or flood
worries.
Eight inches of powder snow with a crust of sleet/freezing rain on top
is a pain in the ass but infinitely preferable to hurricanes and
flooding . Most of last weekend's snow is starting to melt , shaded
areas of course will take a while longer . We were "lucky" , the snow
here was light and fluffy . Farther south they got a wet heavy mix
that collapsed roofs .
There are occasional tornadoes. I actually saw one destroy a school gym about a half mile from here many years ago.-a A son was driving and it
was coming towards us maybe a couple of hundred yards away.-a I told him
to floor it and we had no problem.
I started up the snow thrower for the fist time in 3 years with no
problem right after snow stopped before freeze.-a Hit a newspaper buried
in the snow on the driveway and it took me and my neighbor nearly a half hour to remove it.-a Winter is no fun but I am not sure I would like an endless summer.
On 1/29/2026 6:28 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2026 4:48 PM, Snag wrote:
On 1/29/2026 3:09 PM, Tal Yessen wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:14:57 -0500
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
I prefer Ed's today but mine in warm weather.
You have a far larger and nicer lot, and prolly no hurricane or flood
worries.
Eight inches of powder snow with a crust of sleet/freezing rain on
top is a pain in the ass but infinitely preferable to hurricanes and
flooding . Most of last weekend's snow is starting to melt , shaded
areas of course will take a while longer . We were "lucky" , the snow
here was light and fluffy . Farther south they got a wet heavy mix
that collapsed roofs .
There are occasional tornadoes. I actually saw one destroy a school
gym about a half mile from here many years ago.-a A son was driving and
it was coming towards us maybe a couple of hundred yards away.-a I told
him to floor it and we had no problem.
I started up the snow thrower for the fist time in 3 years with no
problem right after snow stopped before freeze.-a Hit a newspaper
buried in the snow on the driveway and it took me and my neighbor
nearly a half hour to remove it.-a Winter is no fun but I am not sure I
would like an endless summer.
-a Up here a snow blower would be about as useful as teats on a boar ...
I have a JD 317 yard tractor with a power up/down front blade and a
Yanmar YM1500 4WD compact tractor with a back blade . The back blade is
a recent acquisition and I'm still learning how to use it most
effectively . I've thought about making a mount for the Yanmar to mount
the front JD blade . Fabricating a mount looks easy , but the plumbing
was a bit too expensive for the perceived benefit .
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