• Dishwasher followup

    From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Mon Nov 24 21:16:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers. I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks. It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video. My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part.
    Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of
    them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing
    to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. remove lower panel,
    removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.
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  • From badgolferman@REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 07:23:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike
    said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them
    and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to
    watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed
    door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 08:20:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 7:23 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the
    appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike
    said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them
    and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to
    watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed
    door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.

    Exactly. And his ability to get down on the floor that at 80, I don't
    have so much any more.
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  • From frank@"frank "@frank.net to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 08:44:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 8:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:23 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the
    appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike >>> said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them
    and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to
    watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed
    door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.

    Exactly.-a And his ability to get down on the floor that at 80, I don't
    have so much any more.

    Same here. We have the knowledge and the tools but not the ability.
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 12:49:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 8:44 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 8:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:23 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned >>>> mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7 >>>> year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the >>>> appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike >>>> said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them >>>> and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to >>>> watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed >>>> door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.

    Exactly.-a And his ability to get down on the floor that at 80, I don't
    have so much any more.

    Same here. We have the knowledge and the tools but not the ability.

    I have no problem getting down on to the floor. The problem is getting
    up! (Also 80).
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  • From ABLE1@somebody@nowhere.com to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 13:10:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 12:49 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 8:44 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 8:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:23 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned >>>>> mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7 >>>>> year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the >>>>> appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time >>>>> would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike >>>>> said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them >>>>> and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to >>>>> watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed >>>>> door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.

    Exactly.-a And his ability to get down on the floor that at 80, I don't
    have so much any more.

    Same here. We have the knowledge and the tools but not the ability.

    I have no problem getting down on to the floor. The problem is getting
    up! (Also 80).

    LOL
    I have two replacement knees!! When I get down on the floor they do not
    touch the floor!! PAIN is off the charts!! Getting back up the same
    applies!! Although it is getting more difficult!!
    I Rout Rout Rout for all those that can still get things done!!
    All have a better day!! (79)
    Les
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 19:45:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them
    and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to
    watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From frank@"frank "@frank.net to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 14:54:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the
    appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part.
    Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of
    them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was
    amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower
    panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then
    reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Around here just to show up is usually $100.
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 16:28:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a 7
    year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike, the
    appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part.
    Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of
    them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was
    amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower
    panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then
    reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 01:03:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I mentioned
    mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.-a It is a
    7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.-a I called Mike,
    the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time
    would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part.
    Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred
    of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was
    amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower
    panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then
    reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the
    replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Tue Nov 25 19:25:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for time >>>> would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part.
    Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred
    of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was
    amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.-a remove lower
    panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then
    reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the
    replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously? If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction. As a business, you report it, pay various taxes on the income, both business and personal.
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 01:44:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On Tue, 25 Nov 2025 12:49:28 -0500, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

    On 11/25/2025 8:44 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 8:20 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:23 AM, badgolferman wrote:
    On 11/24/2025 21:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.a I mentioned >>>>> mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of weeks.a It is a 7 >>>>> year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.a I called Mike, the >>>>> appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.a My guess for time >>>>> would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the part. Mike >>>>> said it is a common failure and he has probably done a hundred of them >>>>> and carries a couple of the circuit boards with him. It was amazing to >>>>> watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.a remove lower panel, removed >>>>> door, disassemble door, remove circuit board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.


    We could all probably do the job, but we pay the serviceman for his
    knowledge and ready access to parts.

    Exactly.a And his ability to get down on the floor that at 80, I don't
    have so much any more.

    Same here. We have the knowledge and the tools but not the ability.

    I have no problem getting down on to the floor. The problem is getting
    up! (Also 80).
    Hello darkness my old friend, I got up too fast again - - - -

    Just over a year after rather major spinal surgery I'm still a LITTLE
    carefull about getting down and up. Had strict BLT restrictions for
    about half a year (Bend, Lift, Twist) but pretty well back to "normal"
    with most pain gone - doing 10 and 20 mile rides on the bicycle when
    the weather is good. be 74 in June, so still a rather young fellow on
    this group - - -
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 11:27:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for
    time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the
    part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a
    hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.
    remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit
    board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the
    replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 10:54:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for
    time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the
    replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay >> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From redacted@devnull@redacted.dnc to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 06:59:39 2025
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    On 11/26/25 05:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R.<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.
    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.

    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.
    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?

    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay >>> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.
    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.
    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    Someone has to pay for all those "free" government programs.

    Slugs never pay so it's always the private-sector working stiff.

    We need another round of DOGE.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/26/25 05:54, Cindy Hamilton
    wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:10g6m88$9gi4$10@dont-email.me">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robin_listas@es.invalid">&lt;robin_listas@es.invalid&gt;</a> wrote:
    </pre>
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    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote: </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote: </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    </pre>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing.
    I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today.

    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for
    time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the
    part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a
    hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes.
    remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit
    board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay various taxes on the income, both business and personal.
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">
    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Someone has to pay for all those "free" government programs.</p>
    <p>Slugs never pay so it's always the private-sector working stiff.</p>
    <p>We need another round of DOGE.</p>
    </body>
    </html>

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  • From frank@"frank "@frank.net to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 07:52:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/26/2025 5:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay >>> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.


    This discussion has disclosed to me that the guy that recently installed
    a new garage door opener probably stole from his company. He would only accept the credit card with 4% increase. Would not accept a check but
    would take cash. I paid cash but now suspect he over charged and stole
    from his company as if I had paid by check it would have been to his
    company.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 18:29:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-26 11:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay >>> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    I have not seen that type of trick here. The price is the same in cash
    or with plastic. The plastic companies get very angry otherwise, and
    someone will tell them (because they have to pay more).

    What indeed happens instead is not paying the VAT, and that means the transaction has to be done in cash and without a fully legal invoice. In
    this case it is the government who is seem as scammed, and everybody
    likes to cheat on the government.

    Which is a reason some countries seek to prohibit cash transactions.
    Here cash transactions are limited to less than 1000re4.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 12:46:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/26/2025 12:29 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 11:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of >>>>>>>> weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with >>>>>>>> him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with >>>>> credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and >>>> there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, >>>> pay
    various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income.-a That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    I have not seen that type of trick here. The price is the same in cash
    or with plastic. The plastic companies get very angry otherwise, and
    someone will tell them (because they have to pay more).


    You won't usually find it in a big retail store or the like. If you had someone come out to do a plumbing job, different story. Pay cash, no
    receipt, no record of anything.

    OTOH, I did get discounts at a couple of shops in Italy when I offered
    cash.
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 18:23:18 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 11:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of >>>>>>>> weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with >>>>>>>> him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with >>>>> credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and >>>> there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, pay >>>> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income. That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    I have not seen that type of trick here. The price is the same in cash
    or with plastic. The plastic companies get very angry otherwise, and
    someone will tell them (because they have to pay more).

    What indeed happens instead is not paying the VAT, and that means the transaction has to be done in cash and without a fully legal invoice. In this case it is the government who is seem as scammed, and everybody
    likes to cheat on the government.

    Which is a reason some countries seek to prohibit cash transactions.
    Here cash transactions are limited to less than 1000re4.

    I could have walked in with a bag of cash to pay for my car. A
    check was more convenient. The dealership wouldn't take plastic
    for such a large transaction.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Retirednoguilt@HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 13:36:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On 11/26/2025 12:46 PM, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/26/2025 12:29 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 11:54, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-11-26, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.-a I >>>>>>>>> mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of >>>>>>>>> weeks.-a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.-a My guess for >>>>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with >>>>>>>>> him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with >>>>>> credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?-a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and >>>>> there is a record of the transaction.-a As a business, you report it, >>>>> pay
    various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is
    forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract >>>> with the bank.

    Small contractors will often accept a discounted payment for cash,
    which they need not report as income.-a That's illegal, of course,
    but it's a problem only if they get caught.

    I have not seen that type of trick here. The price is the same in cash
    or with plastic. The plastic companies get very angry otherwise, and
    someone will tell them (because they have to pay more).


    You won't usually find it in a big retail store or the like. If you had someone come out to do a plumbing job, different story. Pay cash, no receipt, no record of anything.

    OTOH, I did get discounts at a couple of shops in Italy when I offered
    cash.

    When calculating your true discount, don't forget to subtract the fee or
    fees you probably paid when converting your dollars into euros. The
    bank that sponsors the debit card I use at overseas ATMs that are in the
    my bank's network and the credit card I use for point of sales purchases
    in foreign countries doesn't charge any transaction fees but VISA passes
    on the interlink fee, currently 1.10%. In my experience, paying for the purchase of goods or services in a foreign country with my credit card,
    and specifying that I want the transaction to take place using the local currency, not dollars, is equal to what I would pay in dollars if I had withdrawn that local currency at an overseas ATM. However, you'll get
    scalped if you tell the merchant to enable the payment in dollars
    because of much higher conversion fees paid by the merchant.

    However, beware of added transaction fees if you use an out of network
    bank's ATM or even worse, a commercial ATM not belonging to a bank.
    That's true for debit card cash withdrawals in the U.S. as well as in
    other countries.
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  • From Clare Snyder@clare@snyder.on.ca to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 16:56:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 11:27:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.a My guess for
    time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with
    him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These
    things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the
    replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But
    now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with
    credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.a As a business, you report it, pay
    various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is >forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract
    with the bank.
    Used to be - but I don't think it is anymore - at least it is not
    enforced.

    A lot of "small" businesses also do a lot "under the table" - where no
    income is reported and no taxes paid or collected. Can't do that with
    the credit card.

    The "cash price" is the "under the table price"

    People often asked me for my "cash price" and I had to tell them there
    was no difference (I didn't take creditcards - it was cash or cheque
    or bank transfer)
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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to alt.home.repair on Wed Nov 26 22:11:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: alt.home.repair

    Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> writes:
    On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 11:27:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-11-26 01:25, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 7:03 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 22:28, Ed P wrote:
    On 11/25/2025 1:45 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-11-25 03:16, Ed P wrote:
    Couple of weeks ago there was discussion of dishwashers.a I
    mentioned mine failed the night before leaving for a couple of
    weeks.a It is a 7 year old GE that does a good job so worth fixing. >>>>>>> I called Mike, the appliance guy while away so he could come today. >>>>>>>
    I could have done the job after watching a video.a My guess for >>>>>>> time would be about an hour+ for the repair, plus time getting the >>>>>>> part. Mike said it is a common failure and he has probably done a >>>>>>> hundred of them and carries a couple of the circuit boards with >>>>>>> him. It was amazing to watch him do the job in about 20 minutes. >>>>>>> remove lower panel, removed door, disassemble door, remove circuit >>>>>>> board, then reverse.

    Cash price $280.

    Do you know how much was "work" and how much the components? These >>>>>> things are still much cheaper on my corner of the world, often the >>>>>> replacements boards are too expensive, not the workmanship.


    Labor was $99
    Part and tax $204
    Credit card total $303.
    Cash price $280.

    Ah, ok, so labour was not that exorbitant. The part was expensive. But >>>> now I am curious about some other thing: they charge differently with >>>> credit card than with cash?


    Seriously?a If you pay with a credit card, they pay about 3% fee, and
    there is a record of the transaction.a As a business, you report it, pay >>> various taxes on the income, both business and personal.

    Well, I know that the cost for the merchant is different, but it is >>forbidden to charge differently. It is usually written in the contract >>with the bank.
    Used to be - but I don't think it is anymore - at least it is not
    enforced.

    Depends on the state. California law allows a business to
    discount the purchase price when using cash. The discount
    must be from the listed price.
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