On 11/2/2025 4:28 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 10:14:25 -0500, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the
atomics.-a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk worked >>> with zone change.-a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone.-a PITA >>> and I know we all hate it.
-a-a No kidding-a !
You'd think that-a Dumbold J. Trump-a would have solved this by now ..
.. perhaps he's too busy with White House renovations-a -
-a-a-a-a * *-a ding *-a ding * *-a-a-a * Warning * Warning *
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a * *-a-a On Topic reference-a * *-a-a-a-a-a ..
...-a White House renovations-a in-a alt home repair-a !
..-a-a Tsk-a Tsk-a what is this group coming to ?
-a-a John T.
Did you see the bathroom he did?-a Nice big window right by the toilet so you can look out at the peons when you take a dump.
On 11/2/2025 4:28 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 10:14:25 -0500, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the
atomics.-a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk worked >>> with zone change.-a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone.-a PITA >>> and I know we all hate it.
-a-a No kidding-a !
You'd think that-a Dumbold J. Trump-a would have solved this by now ..
.. perhaps he's too busy with White House renovations-a -
-a-a-a-a * *-a ding *-a ding * *-a-a-a * Warning * Warning *
-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a * *-a-a On Topic reference-a * *-a-a-a-a-a ..
...-a White House renovations-a in-a alt home repair-a !
..-a-a Tsk-a Tsk-a what is this group coming to ?
-a-a John T.
Did you see the bathroom he did?-a Nice big window right by the toilet so you can look out at the peons when you take a dump.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:04:56 -0500, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/2/2025 10:14 AM, Frank wrote:with the advent of GPS the "smart clocks" can now tell exactly where
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the
atomics. My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk worked >>> with zone change. Smart watch required syncing with smart phone. PITA >>> and I know we all hate it.
I'd blame either WWV reception problems or weak batteries for the
problem with 2/3 of your "atomic" clock issues. That assumes that both
of them have handled previous time change cycles correctly. If they
didn't, I'd wonder about their firmware. I've got 3 "atomic" time
keeping devices, 2 of which are about 20 years old. All 3 continue to
deal flawlessly with the time changes despite my condo being in a steel
girder building and in located in rooms with screens on all the windows.
I'm located in the mid-Atlantic in an urban/suburban neighborhood with
many nearby high rise buildings.
they are and what the local time is to the decimal fraction of a
second - - -but they do need to be able to "see" the sky to set
themselves.
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks
and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters. No lay citizen needs to have their timepiece set
with the accuracy of a fraction of one second. No unobstructed view of
the sky is required with radio signal calibration. My "atomic" wrist
watch and clocks are kept in locations that no view of the sky and they receive the radio signals despite screens on the windows, steel girder building construction, and my condo unit on a lower floor where
surrounding buildings at all points of the compass are far higher. That feature makes radio signal calibration much more practical for the lay citizen, especially those who live in urban settings with many tall
buildings that are likely to prevent a clear view of the sky. Where GPS
comes into it's own is in locations where time calibration radio signals
are not available, or for applications where maximal precision of
timekeeping is essential. Ideally, the timepiece would include the
ability to switch between radio signal reception and GPS reception at
the discretion of the user. Bulkier and more expensive, but with
essentially total planet capability for automatic, accurate time keeping.
On 11/2/25 19:45, Ed P wrote:
On 11/2/2025 4:28 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 10:14:25 -0500, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the >>> atomics.a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk worked >>> with zone change.a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone.a PITA >>> and I know we all hate it.
aa No kiddinga !
You'd think thata Dumbold J. Trumpa would have solved this by now ..
.. perhaps he's too busy with White House renovationsa -
aaaa * *a ding *a ding * *aaa * Warning * Warning *
aaaaaaaaaaaaa * *aa On Topic referencea * *aaaaa ..
...a White House renovationsa ina alt home repaira !
..aa Tska Tska what is this group coming to ?
aa John T.
Did you see the bathroom he did?a Nice big window right by the toilet so you can look out at the peons when you take a dump.
No one runs up government debt like a Democrat.
https://craiggoldman.house.gov/DOGE
Democrat motto:
Tax a working private-sector taxpayer, take your cut and give the remainder to a feckless fibturd bureaucrat.
On 11/3/2025 7:54 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks
and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters. No lay citizen needs to have their timepiece set
with the accuracy of a fraction of one second. No unobstructed view of
the sky is required with radio signal calibration. My "atomic" wrist
watch and clocks are kept in locations that no view of the sky and they
receive the radio signals despite screens on the windows, steel girder
building construction, and my condo unit on a lower floor where
surrounding buildings at all points of the compass are far higher. That
feature makes radio signal calibration much more practical for the lay
citizen, especially those who live in urban settings with many tall
buildings that are likely to prevent a clear view of the sky. Where GPS
comes into it's own is in locations where time calibration radio signals
are not available, or for applications where maximal precision of
timekeeping is essential. Ideally, the timepiece would include the
ability to switch between radio signal reception and GPS reception at
the discretion of the user. Bulkier and more expensive, but with
essentially total planet capability for automatic, accurate time keeping.
Would it matter where the signal comes from? What if you live near the border of a time zone?
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
On 11/2/2025 4:47 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:04:56 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/2/2025 10:14 AM, Frank wrote:with the advent of GPS the "smart clocks" can now tell exactly where
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the >>>> atomics. My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk worked >>>> with zone change. Smart watch required syncing with smart phone. PITA >>>> and I know we all hate it.
I'd blame either WWV reception problems or weak batteries for the
problem with 2/3 of your "atomic" clock issues. That assumes that both
of them have handled previous time change cycles correctly. If they
didn't, I'd wonder about their firmware. I've got 3 "atomic" time
keeping devices, 2 of which are about 20 years old. All 3 continue to
deal flawlessly with the time changes despite my condo being in a steel
girder building and in located in rooms with screens on all the windows. >>> I'm located in the mid-Atlantic in an urban/suburban neighborhood with
many nearby high rise buildings.
they are and what the local time is to the decimal fraction of a
second - - -but they do need to be able to "see" the sky to set
themselves.
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks
and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters.
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and >minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
On 2025-11-03 13:54, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 11/2/2025 4:47 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:04:56 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/2/2025 10:14 AM, Frank wrote:-a-a with the advent of GPS the "smart clocks" can now tell exactly where >>> they are and what the local time is to the decimal fraction of a
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the >>>>> atomics.-a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk
worked
with zone change.-a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone. >>>>> PITA
and I know we all hate it.
I'd blame either WWV reception problems or weak batteries for the
problem with 2/3 of your "atomic" clock issues.-a That assumes that both >>>> of them have handled previous time change cycles correctly.-a If they
didn't, I'd wonder about their firmware.-a I've got 3 "atomic" time
keeping devices, 2 of which are about 20 years old.-a All 3 continue to >>>> deal flawlessly with the time changes despite my condo being in a steel >>>> girder building and in located in rooms with screens on all the
windows.
I'm located in the mid-Atlantic in an urban/suburban neighborhood with >>>> many nearby high rise buildings.
second - - -but they do need to be able to "see" the sky to set
themselves.
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks
and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters.
Where I live in Europe, my radio clocks do not manage to sync every day,
and they do so only during some nights. And if the battery is low, it
may not sync in a month. Actually, sometimes is shows a time that is,
for example, 4 hours 22 minutes off. A random amount off. I simply can
not trust it.
So my clocks would have to be WiFi or GPS. Not because I need GPS
precision, but in order to have any sync and automation.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 23:18:36 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and
minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
broafcast "co-ordinated Universal Time" signals (which I believe are "Greenwich Mean Time) and are not location specific and do not handle daylight savings time. Local time and DST must be handled by
programming in the recieving device - entered by the operator and not "portable" across time zones. GPS based time is fully portable and can determine if DST is applicable based on date and location - but would
still require "updates" if DST was repealed in any geopolitical area.
On 2025-11-04 00:10, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 23:18:36 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local >>>> radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and
minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
broafcast "co-ordinated Universal Time" signals (which I believe are
"Greenwich Mean Time) and are not location specific and do not handle
daylight savings time. Local time and DST must be handled by
programming in the recieving device - entered by the operator and not
"portable" across time zones. GPS based time is fully portable and can
determine if DST is applicable based on date and location - but would
still require "updates" if DST was repealed in any geopolitical area.
Yes, I can accept the clock in the radio having a different time zone.It obviously has not synced for a while - - - The last one I had had
Easy to explain. But not when the minutes are 17 and it says 43. The
minutes must match.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 02:22:13 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-04 00:10, Clare Snyder wrote:It obviously has not synced for a while - - -
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 23:18:36 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local >>>>> radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and >>>> minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
broafcast "co-ordinated Universal Time" signals (which I believe are
"Greenwich Mean Time) and are not location specific and do not handle
daylight savings time. Local time and DST must be handled by
programming in the recieving device - entered by the operator and not
"portable" across time zones. GPS based time is fully portable and can
determine if DST is applicable based on date and location - but would
still require "updates" if DST was repealed in any geopolitical area.
Yes, I can accept the clock in the radio having a different time zone.
Easy to explain. But not when the minutes are 17 and it says 43. The
minutes must match.
The last one I had had--
a terrible time connecting to CHU - and was TERRIBLE at actually
KEEPING time. Within a couple minutes a day was doing good. Trashed it
a LONG time ago.
Not like my old Seiko "little running man" watch that was accurate to
less than a minute a year - like WAY less. The original battery lasted
over 3 years and it was never out a minute spring or fall - and when I
left it in my drawer for 2 years it was virtually dead on whe n I took
it out to use it.
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 02:22:13 +0100, "Carlos E.R."I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-04 00:10, Clare Snyder wrote:It obviously has not synced for a while - - - The last one I had had
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 23:18:36 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local >>>>> radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and >>>> minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
broafcast "co-ordinated Universal Time" signals (which I believe are
"Greenwich Mean Time) and are not location specific and do not handle
daylight savings time. Local time and DST must be handled by
programming in the recieving device - entered by the operator and not
"portable" across time zones. GPS based time is fully portable and can
determine if DST is applicable based on date and location - but would
still require "updates" if DST was repealed in any geopolitical area.
Yes, I can accept the clock in the radio having a different time zone.
Easy to explain. But not when the minutes are 17 and it says 43. The
minutes must match.
a terrible time connecting to CHU - and was TERRIBLE at actually
KEEPING time. Within a couple minutes a day was doing good. Trashed it
a LONG time ago.
Not like my old Seiko "little running man" watch that was accurate to
less than a minute a year - like WAY less. The original battery lasted
over 3 years and it was never out a minute spring or fall - and when I
left it in my drawer for 2 years it was virtually dead on whe n I took
it out to use it.
On 11/3/2025 4:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-11-03 13:54, Retirednoguilt wrote:I use a computer program called Atomtime to keep my computers
On 11/2/2025 4:47 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:04:56 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/2/2025 10:14 AM, Frank wrote:-a-a with the advent of GPS the "smart clocks" can now tell exactly where >>>> they are and what the local time is to the decimal fraction of a
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the >>>>>> atomics.-a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk >>>>>> worked
with zone change.-a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone. >>>>>> PITA
and I know we all hate it.
I'd blame either WWV reception problems or weak batteries for the
problem with 2/3 of your "atomic" clock issues.-a That assumes that both >>>>> of them have handled previous time change cycles correctly.-a If they >>>>> didn't, I'd wonder about their firmware.-a I've got 3 "atomic" time
keeping devices, 2 of which are about 20 years old.-a All 3 continue to >>>>> deal flawlessly with the time changes despite my condo being in a steel >>>>> girder building and in located in rooms with screens on all the
windows.
I'm located in the mid-Atlantic in an urban/suburban neighborhood with >>>>> many nearby high rise buildings.
second - - -but they do need to be able to "see" the sky to set
themselves.
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks
and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters.
Where I live in Europe, my radio clocks do not manage to sync every day,
and they do so only during some nights. And if the battery is low, it
may not sync in a month. Actually, sometimes is shows a time that is,
for example, 4 hours 22 minutes off. A random amount off. I simply can
not trust it.
So my clocks would have to be WiFi or GPS. Not because I need GPS
precision, but in order to have any sync and automation.
synchronized . The cell auto-syncs , as does the landline . I haven't
worn a watch in many years , my wife only wears one when we're out and
about . The only times I care about are dinnertime and beer-thirty .
On 11/3/2025 5:18 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:My Sangean desktop weather alert radio uses RDS to set time. Works perfectly, including changes from daylight saving to standard time and
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local
radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and
minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks.
vice versa.
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for
any of those devices.
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for
any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week
is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the
only reason she invites me.
On 11/4/2025 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for
any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week
is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the
only reason she invites me.
I'm not a fan of "smart" home appliances. After many decades of
practice, I know how to use "dumb" ones. The only feature I like is
built into my dishwasher. It adds or removes rinse cycles depending on
how turbid the water. If I keep the filters clean, the dishes reliably
come out without any grunge. And, it takes me less than 1 minute each
to set the digital clocks on my microwave and my wall oven. I've become
very proficient because of the occasional power "blinks" we experienced
for almost a year. It only takes about 1 second of no voltage and the
clocks reset to 00:00. Cheap circuit boards. How much would it cost to
add an electrolytic capacitor to provide backup voltage for maybe 5-6 seconds? The power blinks were more common until very recently because
our electric company was building a new substation about 1/2 mile from
our building and apparently needed to periodically re-route main
circuits when testing or connecting new sections of circuitry. Now that
the construction is completed, we've gone about 3 months without a
blink. Fingers crossed.
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
BTW my atomic watch is running three minutes fast. The hell with it.
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
I stopped wearing a watch when I got a cellphone.
On 11/4/2025 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for
any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week
is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the
only reason she invites me.
I'm not a fan of "smart" home appliances.
On 11/4/2025 1:05 PM, Frank wrote:
BTW my atomic watch is running three minutes fast. The hell with it.
If your atomic watch has both an analog (traditional clock face) dial as
well as digital display, make sure to check the time on the digital
display. My digital display has always been accurate to the second but occasionally the analog display doesn't agree. Check the manual for how
to adjust the analog display so it agrees with the digital. Sometimes
the tiny motor and gears that move the analog hands get pokey if the rechargeable battery in my solar watch needs charging (or, if you watch
isn't solar, maybe your battery needs replacing).
On 11/3/2025 6:46 PM, Snag wrote:
On 11/3/2025 4:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
On 2025-11-03 13:54, Retirednoguilt wrote:I use a computer program called Atomtime to keep my computers
On 11/2/2025 4:47 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 11:04:56 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/2/2025 10:14 AM, Frank wrote:-a-a with the advent of GPS the "smart clocks" can now tell exactly where
Not only did I have to change all the conventional clocks but even the >>>>>>> atomics.-a My watch was OK but wall clock and clock above my desk >>>>>>> worked
with zone change.-a Smart watch required syncing with smart phone. >>>>>>> PITA
and I know we all hate it.
I'd blame either WWV reception problems or weak batteries for the
problem with 2/3 of your "atomic" clock issues.-a That assumes that both >>>>>> of them have handled previous time change cycles correctly.-a If they >>>>>> didn't, I'd wonder about their firmware.-a I've got 3 "atomic" time >>>>>> keeping devices, 2 of which are about 20 years old.-a All 3 continue to >>>>>> deal flawlessly with the time changes despite my condo being in a steel >>>>>> girder building and in located in rooms with screens on all the
windows.
I'm located in the mid-Atlantic in an urban/suburban neighborhood with >>>>>> many nearby high rise buildings.
they are and what the local time is to the decimal fraction of a
second - - -but they do need to be able to "see" the sky to set
themselves.
I don't see any advantage of using GPS vs. radio signals to keep clocks >>>> and wrist watches properly set in almost all areas of the continental
US, Japan, or western Europe where there are time calibration radio
signal transmitters.
Where I live in Europe, my radio clocks do not manage to sync every day, >>> and they do so only during some nights. And if the battery is low, it
may not sync in a month. Actually, sometimes is shows a time that is,
for example, 4 hours 22 minutes off. A random amount off. I simply can
not trust it.
So my clocks would have to be WiFi or GPS. Not because I need GPS
precision, but in order to have any sync and automation.
synchronized . The cell auto-syncs , as does the landline . I haven't
worn a watch in many years , my wife only wears one when we're out and
about . The only times I care about are dinnertime and beer-thirty .
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for
any of those devices.
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
I stopped wearing a watch when I got a cellphone.
There is a Windows time sync , but it only updates like once a week .
I got the Atomtime program like 25 years ago when I was deep into
restoring old comps to give to the neighborhood kids . It was useful to >check the timekeeping on those old boxes . (think P4 and older comps)
On 2025-11-04 19:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
I stopped wearing a watch when I got a cellphone.
I got back to wearing a watch years after they became smart and I
realized that they were useful :-)
On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 22:53:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-04 19:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
I stopped wearing a watch when I got a cellphone.
I got back to wearing a watch years after they became smart and I
realized that they were useful :-)
My last watch died in a motorcycle accident at 3:08PM on March 28, 1983.
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for
our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for >>>> any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week >>> is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the >>> only reason she invites me.
I'm not a fan of "smart" home appliances.
Neither am I. However, the dishwasher that we decided on has next
to nothing to set or display its features. I have to use an app
on my phone to find out when it's out of rinse aid. I suppose I
could top it up every week, but that sounds too much like work.
On 11/4/2025 1:47 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for >>>>> our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time
displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for >>>>> any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week >>>> is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the >>>> only reason she invites me.
I'm not a fan of "smart" home appliances.
Neither am I. However, the dishwasher that we decided on has next
to nothing to set or display its features. I have to use an app
on my phone to find out when it's out of rinse aid. I suppose I
could top it up every week, but that sounds too much like work.
Sometimes the old way is more reliable and less expensive.
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's
time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My
rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's
time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My
rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's
time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
On 2025-11-05 07:06, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 22:53:23 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-04 19:35, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a >>>>> window when not being worn.
I stopped wearing a watch when I got a cellphone.
I got back to wearing a watch years after they became smart and I
realized that they were useful :-)
My last watch died in a motorcycle accident at 3:08PM on March 28, 1983.
I guess I know how you know :-)
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
Speaking of dishwashers, I recently read a 'housing trends' article that
said that builders are increasingly skipping the dishwasher in new
builds, opting instead to put the microwave down in the cabinet, thus clearing the space above the stove for a traditional hood.
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use
it daily as a drying rack.
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher >>because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
Speaking of dishwashers, I recently read a 'housing trends' article that
said that builders are increasingly skipping the dishwasher in new
builds, opting instead to put the microwave down in the cabinet, thus clearing the space above the stove for a traditional hood.
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use
it daily as a drying rack.
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
Speaking of dishwashers, I recently read a 'housing trends' article that
said that builders are increasingly skipping the dishwasher in new
builds, opting instead to put the microwave down in the cabinet, thus clearing the space above the stove for a traditional hood.
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use
it daily as a drying rack.
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
On 11/5/2025 4:26 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton
<chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I >>>> know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
Speaking of dishwashers, I recently read a 'housing trends' article that
said that builders are increasingly skipping the dishwasher in new
builds, opting instead to put the microwave down in the cabinet, thus
clearing the space above the stove for a traditional hood.
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use
it daily as a drying rack.
It is just me now and I run it once or twice a week. I've had one for
over 50 years, not giving it up.
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use
it daily as a drying rack.
It is just me now and I run it once or twice a week. I've had one for
over 50 years, not giving it up.
For as little as we use ours, we could easily give it up. Another thing
we could give up is the garbage disposal. I've never used a garbage
disposal in my life but my wife says she uses it every 1-3 years.
On 11/4/2025 1:02 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:would not work for me because the only time I take it off is if I am
On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 02:22:13 +0100, "Carlos E.R."I haven't needed to buy a watch battery in about 20 years. My 2
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-04 00:10, Clare Snyder wrote:It obviously has not synced for a while - - - The last one I had had
On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 23:18:36 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-03 14:34, Ed P wrote:broafcast "co-ordinated Universal Time" signals (which I believe are
My GPS for navigation knows where I am within about 10 feet, the local >>>>>> radio station can be tuned for miles.
My car radio has has RDS, which means my car can get the time
automatically. It is useless, the stations have wrong time by hours and >>>>> minutes.
I have a desktop RDS receiver. It says it is now 18:43, when it is
actually 23:17. On one of the important national wide radio networks. >>>> The shortwave radio time standards (like CHU in Canada) only
"Greenwich Mean Time) and are not location specific and do not handle
daylight savings time. Local time and DST must be handled by
programming in the recieving device - entered by the operator and not
"portable" across time zones. GPS based time is fully portable and can >>>> determine if DST is applicable based on date and location - but would
still require "updates" if DST was repealed in any geopolitical area.
Yes, I can accept the clock in the radio having a different time zone.
Easy to explain. But not when the minutes are 17 and it says 43. The
minutes must match.
a terrible time connecting to CHU - and was TERRIBLE at actually
KEEPING time. Within a couple minutes a day was doing good. Trashed it
a LONG time ago.
Not like my old Seiko "little running man" watch that was accurate to
less than a minute a year - like WAY less. The original battery lasted
over 3 years and it was never out a minute spring or fall - and when I
left it in my drawer for 2 years it was virtually dead on whe n I took
it out to use it.
watches and my wife's watch are all solar. We always leave them by a
window when not being worn.
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:My wife's dishwasher just celebrated it's 73rd birthday and it has
On 11/4/2025 1:47 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-04, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:46 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/4/2025 9:10 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
My windows PCs time setting is taken from the wifi signal my
modem/router gets from our internet service provider. Same story for >>>>>> our cable TV set top boxes, our Roku set top box, and for the time >>>>>> displayed on our "smart TV". No No supplemental programs required for >>>>>> any of those devices.
All you need now is a Wi-Fi enabled microwave.
My friend has a beach home and that is where I stay with her. Next week >>>>> is the first visit since time change so I will reset the oven and
microwave. I did that last visit in May. I'm thinking that may be the >>>>> only reason she invites me.
I'm not a fan of "smart" home appliances.
Neither am I. However, the dishwasher that we decided on has next
to nothing to set or display its features. I have to use an app
on my phone to find out when it's out of rinse aid. I suppose I
could top it up every week, but that sounds too much like work.
Sometimes the old way is more reliable and less expensive.
Less expensive for us. Less profitable for dishwasher manufacturers.
I just ordered a new fridge. It was difficult to find a french-door
fridge with icemaker and without ice or water dispenser.
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My
rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's
time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
On 11/5/2025 10:37 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
At my house, we run the dishwasher only about once a month, but we use >>>> it daily as a drying rack.
It is just me now and I run it once or twice a week. I've had one for
over 50 years, not giving it up.
For as little as we use ours, we could easily give it up. Another thing
we could give up is the garbage disposal. I've never used a garbage
disposal in my life but my wife says she uses it every 1-3 years.
I use is frequently, but not with a lot of bulk. Handy when rinsing a
dish after a meal, the lemon peel from my tea. I don't use it for egg >shells and potential drain clogs.
My parents had one and when I bought my first house in 1966, I put one
in there,
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
On 2025-11-06 01:22, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
My parents bought a dishwasher. My father insisted, my mother was not convinced. Somewhere before 1980, early models here.
It used a lot of electricity, maybe 2500W. A lot for here and the time.
It was very noisy, it roared. It took days to fill it up, so we had to
buy more dishes. After some years we stopped using it.
So I'm biased into considering it a useless appliance. And the house has
two wash basins, something very rare nowdays, but makes washing up
easier and faster.
Besides, if I eat frozen food, the kind I buy has to be heated on a pan, preferably. And poured on a dish and eaten with fork or spoon, maybe
knife. I don't see how that means I don't need to wash up.
On 2025-11-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-06 01:22, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
My parents bought a dishwasher. My father insisted, my mother was not
convinced. Somewhere before 1980, early models here.
It used a lot of electricity, maybe 2500W. A lot for here and the time.
It was very noisy, it roared. It took days to fill it up, so we had to
buy more dishes. After some years we stopped using it.
So I'm biased into considering it a useless appliance. And the house has
two wash basins, something very rare nowdays, but makes washing up
easier and faster.
Besides, if I eat frozen food, the kind I buy has to be heated on a pan,
preferably. And poured on a dish and eaten with fork or spoon, maybe
knife. I don't see how that means I don't need to wash up.
Most frozen meals here come in plastic trays that can (and do)
go in the microwave. I'm quite confident that millions of
people lick the fork or spoon clean and call it good.
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
My wife's dishwasher just celebrated it's 73rd birthday and it has
only broken down twice. The only problem is she complains it tends to
be "kick start" - - -
She exagerates, of course - she has never had to 'Kick" it put she
sometimes resorts to prodding - - - -
On 2025-11-06 14:27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-06, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-06 01:22, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
My parents bought a dishwasher. My father insisted, my mother was not
convinced. Somewhere before 1980, early models here.
It used a lot of electricity, maybe 2500W. A lot for here and the time.
It was very noisy, it roared. It took days to fill it up, so we had to
buy more dishes. After some years we stopped using it.
So I'm biased into considering it a useless appliance. And the house has >>> two wash basins, something very rare nowdays, but makes washing up
easier and faster.
Besides, if I eat frozen food, the kind I buy has to be heated on a pan, >>> preferably. And poured on a dish and eaten with fork or spoon, maybe
knife. I don't see how that means I don't need to wash up.
Most frozen meals here come in plastic trays that can (and do)
go in the microwave. I'm quite confident that millions of
people lick the fork or spoon clean and call it good.
There are some like that, but at least where I buy most are not frozen,
just cold. I usually remove the food from the plastic and heat on a
safer glass container of similar size. I don't trust food on hot
plastic, not healthy.
On 2025-11-05 18:58, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I
know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
Our old dishwasher machine (bought before 1980) has that thing, but you
have to open the main door and look at a piece in the basin.
I guess people who only microwave frozen meals don't need a
dishwasher.
What do they do when the microwave dies?
We run the dishwasher every day. Only sharp knives and nonstick
pans are washed by hand.
I'll challenge the implication / stereotype of people
who eschew dishwashers as people who eat frozen dinners.
Many of us grew up in conditions where dishwashers were
a rich person's appliance and we had well-water systems
and septic syatems that couldn't support such things.
We carried those ideas into adulthood and found it difficult
to justify the wastage - water and energy -
associated with such luxury appliances.
It has nothing to do with a lazy meal lifestyle.
When we were a family of 5 we'd use the dishwasher
~ 6 times per year - busy times when we had company.
As empty nesters - ~ once or twice per year.
We never cook in the microwave - just warming-up
leftovers or occasionally thawing something.
I'm pretty sure our 3 kids' families use their dishwashers
daily - despite their history - with modern busy 2 career
parents with umpteen kids' activities ...
John T.
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if
buying new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
We had a late-model Kitchenaid and shitcanned it after four months.
On the bottom, in the front, it had a very shallow drip tray with a
float and a pump. The damned thing was designed to leak.
On 2025-11-06, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
We had a late-model Kitchenaid and shitcanned it after four months.
On the bottom, in the front, it had a very shallow drip tray with a
float and a pump. The damned thing was designed to leak.
On 11/6/2025 5:47 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2025-11-06, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I >>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
We had a late-model Kitchenaid and shitcanned it after four months.
On the bottom, in the front, it had a very shallow drip tray with a
float and a pump. The damned thing was designed to leak.
Maybe things changed, but had three of them in two houses over many
years and all were excellent.
On 11/5/2025 2:48 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-11-05 18:58, Cindy Hamilton wrote:True. but don't you have to open the main door to empty the dishwasher? That's when I glance at the window to see if the rinse aid dispenser
On 2025-11-05, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
My
dishwasher has a little plastic window in the rinse aid compartment. My >>>> rinse aid is bright blue. When the window shows a bright blue color, I >>>> know there's enough rinse aid for the next load. When it is black, it's >>>> time to refill the compartment. No circuit boards, sensors, apps
required. Totally reliable.
Yes, I wish my dishwasher had that. But we never choose a dishwasher
because it has an inspection port for rinse aid.
Our old dishwasher machine (bought before 1980) has that thing, but you
have to open the main door and look at a piece in the basin.
needs refilling. If it does, I do it then. And, at least with every dishwasher I've ever used, the main door also needs to be opened to fill
the dish washing detergent compartment before running a wash cycle.
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
On 11/5/2025 11:34 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
I chose for reliability. We'll see how that goes. It's only
coming up on its first birthday.
My wife's dishwasher just celebrated it's 73rd birthday and it has
only broken down twice. The only problem is she complains it tends to
be "kick start" - - -
She exagerates, of course - she has never had to 'Kick" it put she
sometimes resorts to prodding - - - -
Does it have any trade in value towards a newer model?
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher
as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use
but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still >going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >ratings.
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when
full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I >>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying >>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher
as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use
but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still
going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent
ratings.
won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I >>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying >>>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher
as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use
but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still >>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent
ratings.
won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded >fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but
it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture
in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and
then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially >available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced
by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially >available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I >certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the
U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products
of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no >comparable American product.
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the
equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I >>>>> use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying >>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to
pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our
previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher >>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality
control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use >>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still >>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen
Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no
need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >>>> ratings.
won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded
fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but
it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture
in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and
then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially
available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced
by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially
available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I
certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the
U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products
of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
comparable American product.
Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and >>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the >>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying >>>>>> new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to >>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our >>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher >>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old
builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were
never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality >>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use >>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still >>>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen >>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no >>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >>>>> ratings.
only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded >>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but
it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture
in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and
then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially >>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced >>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially
available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I >>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the >>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products
of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
comparable American product.
Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your >comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the
stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's >happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my >recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't
stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our >struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose
a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American
product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a >patriot.
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt ><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and >>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the >>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to >>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our >>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher >>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old >>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were >>>>>> never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality >>>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use >>>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still >>>>>> going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen >>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no >>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >>>>>> ratings.
only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028
when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post.
However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded >>>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but >>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture >>>> in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and >>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially >>>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced >>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially >>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I >>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the >>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products >>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
comparable American product.
Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your >>comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the >>stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's >>happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my >>recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't >>stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our >>struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose
a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American >>product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a >>patriot.
"patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier
being a Canadian when travelling!!
I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,
Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,
Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands, >Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and
Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and
a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico
and every province of Canada.
I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,
I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that
is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or
through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta
do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or
wherever.
Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other
Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and >>>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the >>>>>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the >>>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to >>>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our >>>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher >>>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old >>>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were >>>>>>> never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality >>>>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use >>>>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still
going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen >>>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no >>>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >>>>>>> ratings.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028 >>>>>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post. >>>>> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded >>>>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but >>>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture >>>>> in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and >>>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially >>>>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced >>>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially >>>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I >>>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the >>>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products >>>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no
comparable American product.
Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your >>> comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the
stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's
happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my
recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't
stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our
struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose
a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American
product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a >>> patriot.
"patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier
being a Canadian when travelling!!
I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,
Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,
Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands,
Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and
Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and
a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico
and every province of Canada.
I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,
I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that
is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or
through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta
do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or
wherever.
Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other
Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
On 11/9/2025 10:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
All this talk of dishwasher jinxed me. Mine died. Full load, wanted to wash it before leaving for a while. DEAD
On 11/10/2025 10:36 AM, Ed P wrote:
On 11/9/2025 10:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
All this talk of dishwasher jinxed me. Mine died. Full load, wanted to
wash it before leaving for a while. DEAD
Before you give up, make sure to check the fuse or circuit breaker. If
a circuit breaker, cycle it off and on once. If the dishwasher plugs in rather than being hard wired, unplug it and try plugging something else
in to make sure that the outlet is live. Open, close and (lock if you
model uses a door lock) the door to try to reengage the micro-switch
that senses whether the door is open or closed. Nothing ventured,
nothing gained. Good luck!
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made
in a different country thousands of miles away.
On 2025-11-10 15:35, Retirednoguilt wrote:
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and
everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made
in a different country thousands of miles away.
I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada.
Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:43:55 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-10 15:35, Retirednoguilt wrote:
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and >>> everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made
in a different country thousands of miles away.
I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada.
Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.
I was hopeful that these were still un-Asian - nope .. :-(
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/lighting/lanterns/10311-dietz-no-80-hurricane-lantern
On 2025-11-10 22:04, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:43:55 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-10 15:35, Retirednoguilt wrote:
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and >>>> everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made >>>> in a different country thousands of miles away.
I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada.
Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.
I was hopeful that these were still un-Asian - nope .. :-(
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/lighting/lanterns/10311-dietz-no-80-hurricane-lantern
Try Feuerhand.
On 11/9/2025 10:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Usually in China
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, 9 Nov 2025 12:14:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/8/2025 11:42 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:You need to look at the post I was responding to for the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/7/2025 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 10:07:31 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2025 5:33 PM, Ed P wrote:Most of my friends who DO have the "mechanical version" have BOSCH and >>>>>>> won't have anything else. Not sure if it is still true but WAS the >>>>>>> only didhwasher brand BUILT IN THE USA.
On 11/6/2025 4:50 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
For quite a few years, and certainly now, dishwashers, if used when >>>>>>>>>>> full, require much less water that when washing and rinsing the >>>>>>>>>>> equivalent number of dishes by hand.
But when it takes a week to fill the dishwasher,
and it needs to be run twice to get things clean ..
energy savings disappear - and my fav sleepy-guy
coffee mug has been unavailable that whole time !
We're planning a kitchen reno - we'll leave the
plumbing for the dishwasher available for future
homeowners but replace the space with some storage
drawers.
John T.
Twice? Mine often sits a week too and everything comes out spotless. I
use Cascade Platinum pods and they work every time.
The house came with a GE and it works well, but my preference if buying
new would be Kitchen Aid. They always did a great job too.
I'd advise a little research before plunging deep into your pocket to >>>>>>>> pay for a Kitchen Aid. Many years ago they were excellent. For our >>>>>>>> previous home, my parents bought us a top model Kitchen Aid dishwasher >>>>>>>> as their housewarming present as a replacement for the 15 year old >>>>>>>> builder's quality whatever brand that came with the house. We were >>>>>>>> never impressed. For several decades they've had reliability/quality >>>>>>>> control problems. It died after only about 12 years of very light use >>>>>>>> but multiple repairs. We replaced it with a mid-range GE that was still
going strong when sold the house about 30 years later. Maybe Kitchen >>>>>>>> Aid has overcome their problems and are top rated again. I've had no >>>>>>>> need to shop for a new dishwasher so I haven't kept up with the recent >>>>>>>> ratings.
They are all hoping they continue to work at least until after 2028 >>>>>>> when hopefully the tarriff stupidity ends
Clare, I usually find myself completely agreeing with what you post. >>>>>> However, in this case, it sounds as if perhaps patriotism has superseded >>>>>> fact? BOSCH may or may not be the highest quality dishwasher made but >>>>>> it sounds as if you might be attributing that status to its manufacture >>>>>> in the USA. I think we're both old enough to remember when German and >>>>>> then Japanese cameras replaced Kodak as the highest quality commercially >>>>>> available camera for amateur photographers. Also, the first
commercially available wrist watch with a quartz movement was introduced >>>>>> by Seiko in 1969 and was much more accurate than the best commercially >>>>>> available mechanical wrist watch movements made anywhere in the world. I >>>>>> certainly consider myself patriotic; I served 30 years in uniform in the >>>>>> U.S. military. I prefer to buy American if there's a choice of products >>>>>> of equal quality and price that meet my needs. But I don't feel
disloyal if I choose a product of foreign manufacture if there's no >>>>>> comparable American product.
Patriotism??? No way - I'm CANADIAN.
It just happens that in this case, the german brand American built
product actually IS a good product. Dead quiet - parts availability
when required, and a good clean (according to my Canadian friends.)
I assume you're referring to the Bosch product. I don't understand your >>>> comment re: patriotism. Frankly, I wish I had a Canadian passport. I
enjoy recreational international travel and was abroad as recently as
this past January/February. But I was occasionally looked at with the >>>> stink eye and questioned by several locals trying to understand what's >>>> happened here and why. I would have preferred to say that I was
Canadian so don't ask me when I was asked if I was American, but I'm
just not a person who lies. However, I also didn't enjoy spending my
recreational time trying to educate foreigners that they shouldn't
stereotype us. And, let me be clear, although I prefer to support our
struggling economy, as I said above, "I don't feel disloyal if I choose >>>> a product of foreign manufacture if there's no comparable American
product." There's a great difference between being a zealot and being a >>>> patriot.
"patriotism" reference - - - And I agree with you - definitely easier
being a Canadian when travelling!!
I do a fair amount. In the last several years I've been in Norway,
Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, New Caledonia,
Fiji, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Equador, Panama, Cayman Islands,
Zambia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Portugal, Spain, Itally, Greece, and
Turkey. Add a few more years and Morroco, Austria, Burkina Faso - and
a few others - not to mentionabout half of the US states and Mexico
and every province of Canada.
I prefer to buy Canadian when I can - and when, as often is the case,
I cannot I like to buy from local importers/resellers. Sometimes that
is not possible and I resort to buying from American suppliers or
through American companies like Amazon (no fan of Bezos - but ya gotta
do what ya gotta do sometimes ) or import directly from China or
wherever.
Being a Canadian small businessman my preference is to support other
Canadian small businessmen when possible and if it makes sense - - -
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir - Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
I believe that all you're getting is prestige. The fancy name myth of >assured quality has penetrated many product categories. The most
expensive high prestige mechanical wrist watch is far less accurate and
less reliable than a quartz movement in a Casio or Timex. Some name
brand fashion clothing is manufactured in sweat shops in 3rd world
countries in southeast Asia and sewed by machine and then the fancy
brand label is added.
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and >everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made
in a different country thousands of miles away.
On 2025-11-10 22:04, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:I have an old Czeck Meva and an old Canadian GSW Beacon kerosine
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:43:55 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-10 15:35, Retirednoguilt wrote:
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a
gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and >>>> everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made >>>> in a different country thousands of miles away.
I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada.
Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.
I was hopeful that these were still un-Asian - nope .. :-(
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/lighting/lanterns/10311-dietz-no-80-hurricane-lantern
Try Feuerhand.
On 11/9/2025 10:44 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2025 22:36:17 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
ALso, remember Kitchen Aid is Whirlpool, Maytag, and JennAir.
A lot of these products are the same basic product with a few extra
features or different trim / badging - with the "heart" or "guts"
being virtually the same -
You pay a LOT MORE for a Kitchen Aid than for a Maytag or Whirlpool -
and more yet for a JennAir --a Are you getting more / better? or just
getting "prestige"?
All this talk of dishwasher jinxed me.-a Mine died.-a Full load, wanted to wash it before leaving for a while.-a DEAD
On Sat, 8 Nov 2025 10:25:14 -0500, Retirednoguilt
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 22:42:37 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-10 22:04, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:43:55 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-11-10 15:35, Retirednoguilt wrote:
What I've found to be disheartening when traveling is shopping for a >>>>> gift that is characteristic of the country and supposedly authentic, and >>>>> everything for sale in the gift shop has labels saying that it was made >>>>> in a different country thousands of miles away.
I once wanted to buy an american made storm lantern, in Canada.
Impossible. All eastern made. Eventually, I got a German made one.
I was hopeful that these were still un-Asian - nope .. :-(
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/lighting/lanterns/10311-dietz-no-80-hurricane-lantern
Try Feuerhand.
Even an LED model !
https://berryuseful.co.uk/collections/hurricane-lanterns/products/feuerhand-baby-special-276-led-lantern
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