From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

Please share the addresses any known free NNTP servers.

Especially useful are the onion network addressable servers.

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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

Please share the addresses any known free NNTP servers.

Especially useful are the onion network addressable servers.

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only


lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:23:19 +0200, Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

Do you have a Usenet web archive like google used to have?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.free.newsservers

This would allow people to look up questions before posting.
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:23:19 +0200, Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

Do you have a Usenet web archive like google used to have?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.free.newsservers

This would allow people to look up questions before posting.
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Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I'm unable to connect. Does it require an account?

Message: Authentication failed, use a valid non-empty username
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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 28 Jul 2025, "Billy G. (go-while)" <no-reply@no.spam> posted some news:6887ce27$11$26$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

Please share the addresses any known free NNTP servers.

Especially useful are the onion network addressable servers.

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

Holy sh*t Batmon! 497,359 groups ?!?

Some amazing retension on some of those. There's even posts from
that butthead Edmond Wollmann and some of my ancient socks.

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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 23:18:31 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :

Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I'm unable to connect. Does it require an account?

Message: Authentication failed, use a valid non-empty username

Hi badgolferman,

The moment I saw this post, I had tested the suggested read-only server
since I've tested *every* free server ever posted to this newsgroup over
the decades. Most don't work, of course - but some - of course - do work.

I was able to get the grouplist from lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu:119
using user:read pass:only, which included the common text-only OS
newsgroups such as "misc.phone.mobile.iphone" and "comp.mobile.android".

For example, I was able to retrieve your recent post to the newsgroup:
Path: archive.pugleaf.net!ygg-srv.newsdeef.eu!srv.newsdeef.eu!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: India overtakes China in smartphone exports to the U.S.
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 07:55:30 -0400
Message-ID: <106acri$2k69m$1@dont-email.me>

Normally I'd remove the specific-to-me PATH but notice that the last (left-most) node is archivef.pugleaf.net while the penultimate node
is related to "newsdeef", so I think it is working as read only.

It's not working for posting though, as confirmed by a test from me
where I replied with a test message to that posting of yours above.
Posting article failed: Unknown CMD;

There's also a strange warning when retrieving articles from the server.
When asking for article 200720, server returned article 0.

This happened with comp.mobile.android & misc.phone.mobile.iphone
so I think the server has a configuration issue - but the articles
that showed up in my feed seemed to be in order and all there.
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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 28.07.25 21:45, W. Green wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 21:23:19 +0200, Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

Do you have a Usenet web archive like google used to have?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.free.newsservers

This would allow people to look up questions before posting.

https://novabbs.pugleaf.net/groups/alt.free.newsservers/threads

https://i2pn2.pugleaf.net/groups/alt.free.newsservers/threads

https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/alt.free.newsservers/threads
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https://pugleaf.net
@Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help

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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 29.07.25 01:18, badgolferman wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I'm unable to connect. Does it require an account?

Message: Authentication failed, use a valid non-empty username

yes! the user and pass is there ;)
--
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Billy G. (go-while)
https://pugleaf.net
@Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help

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Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

On 29.07.25 01:18, badgolferman wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I'm unable to connect. Does it require an account?

Message: Authentication failed, use a valid non-empty username

yes! the user and pass is there ;)

It looks like there are a bunch of <alt> newsgroups misspelled as <slt>
or <salt>. That makes them no good.
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badgolferman wrote:

It looks like there are a bunch of <alt> newsgroups misspelled as <slt>
or <salt>. That makes them no good.

this is an unfiltered archive
--
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https://pugleaf.net
@Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help
irc.pugleaf.net:6697 (SSL) #lounge
discord: https://discord.gg/rECSbHHFzp

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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On Mon, 4 Aug 2025 01:34:01 +0200, "Billy G. (go-while)" <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

It looks like there are a bunch of <alt> newsgroups misspelled as <slt>
or <salt>. That makes them no good.

this is an unfiltered archive

it sure is! . . . nearly half a million newsgroups . . . seems that most of those
"odd-ball" groups (many with ridiculous/nonsensical/long/vulgar/juvenile...titles)
were probably never intended to receive much attention apart from some pranksters,
e.g., this exhibit with 94-characters, including 13 periods "." and 3 hyphens "-",
this "newsgroup" only shows 25 articles, all posted within one month back in 2003:

Newsgroups: alt.rectum.nearly.killed-um.keith-wigdor.aka.jbenway.aka.wigway.but.everyone.knew-her.as.nancy
Message-ID: <f19lhv8hnf1scdp6ff1b0j5c1j4rurp63i@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:19:42 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.rectum.nearly.killed-um.keith-wigdor.aka.jbenway.aka.wigway.but.everyone.knew-her.as.nancy
Message-ID: <3F44647C.600A9A80@WHATISSPAMhotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:19:40 -0700

see, even looking at silly newsgroups can be fun ... somebody liked the beatles?
perhaps ... also notably, none of the other servers that i use (w/40tude dialog)
include it, but they do alt.rectum.nearly.killed-um.keith-wigdor.aka.jbenway.aka

probably less than 5000 text newsgroups have ever actually gotten much meaningful
activity in the past 44 years, and of those maybe about 1200 are currently active
(the majority of the post-y2k newsgroups are awash in troll-farm/a.i.-bot twaddle)

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In article <106omok$1rcbe$1@dont-email.me>
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

On 29.07.25 01:18, badgolferman wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I'm unable to connect. Does it require an account?

Message: Authentication failed, use a valid non-empty username

yes! the user and pass is there ;)

It looks like there are a bunch of <alt> newsgroups misspelled as <slt>
or <salt>. That makes them no good.

I recognize some of them. ;)


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Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

Had anyone been able to connect to this one with tin newsreader?
I always get 'NNTP connection error. Exiting...' after
'Reading groups from active file...' part.

Here is the last part of tin debug log (/tmp/NNTP/):

nntp_command(LIST COUNTS)

[10:50:31.801409] LIST COUNTS

get_server() 120 sec elapsed without response
nntp_close(TRUE) END

Looks like its stuck just after 'LIST COUNTS' command (doesn't get
any response within 120 sec period).

I use tin 2.6.3 release 20231224.
On the lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu server I used usenet/archive login pair.

P.S. Thunderbird can connect to this server for some reason and I
can see the list of groups and subscribe just fine.
--
Best regards,
DrunkenThon.
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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 05.08.25 13:16, DrunkenThon wrote:

Looks like its stuck just after 'LIST COUNTS' command (doesn't get

any response within 120 sec period).

please retry now
--
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https://pugleaf.net
@Newsgroup: rocksolid.nodes.help
irc.pugleaf.net:6697 (SSL) #lounge
discord: https://discord.gg/rECSbHHFzp

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From Newsgroup: alt.free.newsservers

On 05.08.25 13:16, DrunkenThon wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

I use tin 2.6.3 release 20231224.
On the lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu server I used usenet/archive login pair.

P.S. Thunderbird can connect to this server for some reason and I
can see the list of groups and subscribe just fine.

user@linux:~$ cat .newsauth
lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu only read

tin -A -g lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu

works for me.
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https://pugleaf.net
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irc.pugleaf.net:6697 (SSL) #lounge
discord: https://discord.gg/rECSbHHFzp
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Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

Please share the addresses any known free NNTP servers.

Especially useful are the onion network addressable servers.

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

No posting? :(
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Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 19:24:45 -0000 (UTC), ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 27.07.25 02:47, G.K. wrote:

Please share the addresses any known free NNTP servers.
Especially useful are the onion network addressable servers.

3nxvtk6l6fvjel6egccgo5zcerivvvz27ahsdjthvxc7focidpr2xlyd.onion
Port 119 | user: read | pass: only

lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
Port: 119 or 563 (SSL)
user: read
pass: only

No posting? :(
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not sure, but "read only" . . . seems clear enough, and that server is bound
to be getting plenty of activity, i.e. with no more "gg" muddying the waters

p.s. your sig is reminiscent of "doublethink" . . . thou shalt and shalt not
^^^ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=doublethink

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to >simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with >their own memory or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs >from, hypocrisy. George Orwell coined the term doublethink as part of the >fictional language of Newspeak in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty- >Four.

[end quote]

schizophrenia is the classic term for "do as i say, not as i do", which also includes "we were only doing our duty", "nothing personal it's just business" and they're on a mission from god, they themselves are god, or god sent them

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Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 05.08.25 13:16, DrunkenThon wrote:

Looks like its stuck just after 'LIST COUNTS' command (doesn't get

any response within 120 sec period).

please retry now

It works now! Was it something you've fixed? Thank you!

I can connect, see the list of groups and subscribe, but now I'm
experiencing some random disconnections (or is it the idle timeout
too short, I don't know for sure). If that's your server, can you
take a look?

Here is the last part of tin debug log:

[19:16:41.829115] LISTGROUP alt.folklore.computers

<<< [19:16:42.206610] 211 Article numbers follow:alt.folklore.computers

[19:16:54.332100] OVER 591507-591508

<<< [19:16:54.420083] 400 Unknown CMD

[19:16:54.420124] OVER 591507-591508

TLS [19:16:54.420272] : SSL3 alert read:warning:close notify
TLS [19:16:54.420299] : SSL3 alert write:warning:close notify
TLS [19:17:08.358212] : undefined:handshake start
TLS [19:17:08.358278] : SSL_connect:before SSL initialization
TLS [19:17:08.358560] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [19:17:08.412330] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [19:17:08.412575] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server hello
TLS [19:17:08.412605] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read encrypted extensions
TLS [19:17:08.415012] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server certificate
TLS [19:17:08.415185] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read server certificate verify
TLS [19:17:08.415257] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read finished
TLS [19:17:08.415277] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write change cipher spec
TLS [19:17:08.415388] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write finished
TLS [19:17:08.415409] : undefined:handshake done
TLS [19:17:08.468619] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [19:17:08.468654] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [19:17:08.468704] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
TLS [19:17:08.468761] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [19:17:08.468776] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [19:17:08.468817] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
<<< [19:17:08.727691] 200 GO-NNTP-SERVER 0.1-p2

[19:17:08.727729] CAPABILITIES

<<< [19:17:09.854374] 101 Capability list:
<<< [19:17:09.854418] VERSION 2
<<< [19:17:09.854439] IMPLEMENTATION GO 0.1
<<< [19:17:09.854461] AUTHINFO SASL
<<< [19:17:09.854480] HDR
<<< [19:17:09.854499] LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES COUNTS NEWSGROUPS MOTD OVERVIEW.FMT
<<< [19:17:09.854522] OVER
<<< [19:17:09.854541] READER
TLS [19:18:08.632418] : SSL3 alert read:warning:close notify
TLS [19:18:08.632489] : SSL3 alert write:warning:close notify
TLS [19:18:16.196617] : undefined:handshake start
TLS [19:18:16.196671] : SSL_connect:before SSL initialization
TLS [19:18:16.196884] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [19:18:16.241773] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [19:18:16.242038] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server hello
TLS [19:18:16.242068] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read encrypted extensions
TLS [19:18:16.244442] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server certificate
TLS [19:18:16.244608] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read server certificate verify
TLS [19:18:16.244680] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read finished
TLS [19:18:16.244698] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write change cipher spec
TLS [19:18:16.244805] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write finished
TLS [19:18:16.244828] : undefined:handshake done

Reconnecting takes about 1 minute (<<< [19:17:09.854541] READER)
and after that tin asks for reconnection again. It succeeds the
second time.
--
Best regards,
DrunkenThon.
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On 06.08.25 20:45, DrunkenThon wrote:

Billy G. (go-while) <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

On 05.08.25 13:16, DrunkenThon wrote:

Looks like its stuck just after 'LIST COUNTS' command (doesn't get

any response within 120 sec period).

please retry now

It works now! Was it something you've fixed? Thank you!

yes this is some ugly piece of server code
has lots of bugs and I try to fix them.

I can connect, see the list of groups and subscribe, but now I'm experiencing some random disconnections (or is it the idle timeout
too short, I don't know for sure). If that's your server, can you
take a look?> Here is the last part of tin debug log:

[19:16:41.829115] LISTGROUP alt.folklore.computers

Reconnecting takes about 1 minute (<<< [19:17:09.854541] READER)
and after that tin asks for reconnection again. It succeeds the
second time.

LISTGROUP alt.folklore.computers
worked for me via telnet
1
...
591512
591513
.

LISTGROUP alt.folklore.computers 591504-
211 Article numbers follow:alt.folklore.computers
591504
591505
591506
591507
591508
591509
591510
591511
591512
591513
591514
.
LISTGROUP alt.folklore.computers 591505-591509

211 Article numbers follow:alt.folklore.computers
591505
591506
591507
591508
591509
.


I've never used tin. not familiar how to move inside the program :D
feel like dumb, could rtfm yes but no time atm!
please retry now, fixed something. maybe we get one step more!

thank you!
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Billy G. <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

yes this is some ugly piece of server code
has lots of bugs and I try to fix them.

Thank you, Billy G.!
Fantastic retention! I've never seen such a long retention times on
a free server (although I'm not a long time Usenet user, probably
10 years or so). The earliest messages go back to 1987 - perhaps,
the year of Great Renaming.

please retry now, fixed something. maybe we get one step more!

thank you!

I've tested it a little bit and there were no unexpected
reconnections. Looks like the idle period is 5 minutes and that's ok.
But the first reconnection still takes one minute - tin shows
"TLS handshake done: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384" message, then asks to
reconnect again.
--
Best regards,
DrunkenThon.
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On 08.08.25 01:47, DrunkenThon wrote:

Billy G. <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

yes this is some ugly piece of server code
has lots of bugs and I try to fix them.

Thank you, Billy G.!
Fantastic retention! I've never seen such a long retention times on
a free server (although I'm not a long time Usenet user, probably
10 years or so). The earliest messages go back to 1987 - perhaps,
the year of Great Renaming.

please retry now, fixed something. maybe we get one step more!

thank you!

I've tested it a little bit and there were no unexpected
reconnections. Looks like the idle period is 5 minutes and that's ok.
But the first reconnection still takes one minute - tin shows
"TLS handshake done: TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384" message, then asks to
reconnect again.

Very good!

Can you try: openssl s_client -connect lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu:563

and see if this takes long too?

should see something like:
---
read R BLOCK
200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

then it works like telnet, you can type

authinfo user read
authinfo pass only

281 Accepted

group net

211 49 1 49 net

over 1-2

224 xover follows net
1 Health Education Software dmj@ecsvax.UUCP 09 Oct 1983

15:09:10 EDT <1361@ecsvax.UUCP> 649 7 nntp

2 AT&T Statistics Day Call For Papers bloor@pyuxvv.UUCP

(George Bloor) 08 May 1984 15:12:06 EDT <203@pyuxvv.UUCP>
1486 25 nntp

.

there shouldn't be any higher delay than 1s

or tin is downloading the active file ,
or executing groups cmd to get updated values
that it did initially in my tests and was quite annoying...
takes time...

=== GROUP STATISTICS ===
Total groups analyzed: 497245
Total estimated messages: 2144874444
Groups with <10 messages: 322152 (64.8%) - 783629 messages (0.0%)
Groups with <100 messages: 83645 (16.8%) - 2709940 messages (0.1%)
Groups with <1000 messages: 42396 (8.5%) - 15222868 messages (0.7%)
Groups with >=1000 messages: 49052 (9.9%) - 2126158007 messages (99.1%)

If I find a proper way to filter out most of the first 3...
we should reach a manageable amount of newsgroups :D

Thanks for your time!
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Billy G. <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

Very good!

Can you try: openssl s_client -connect lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu:563
and see if this takes long too?
[snip]
there shouldn't be any higher delay than 1s

I've tried that and connection seems to be ok.
The response for the following commands was pretty quick (within 1s).

authinfo user read
authinfo pass only
group net
over 1-2

However, the second (re)connection still occurs. Perhaps, the problem
is not with TLS. Connection to port 119 has the same issue.

Here is port 563 log (the last part): ----------------------------------------------------------------------
...

[22:02:21.624824] LISTGROUP alt.free.newsservers

<<< [22:02:21.980473] 211 Article numbers follow:alt.free.newsservers

[22:02:46.082110] ARTICLE 173757

<<< [22:02:47.265059] 220 173757

[22:08:41.672764] ARTICLE 173797

TLS [22:08:41.672901] : SSL3 alert read:warning:close notify
TLS [22:08:41.672935] : SSL3 alert write:warning:close notify
TLS [22:08:48.757888] : undefined:handshake start
TLS [22:08:48.757938] : SSL_connect:before SSL initialization
TLS [22:08:48.758149] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [22:08:48.849763] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [22:08:48.849993] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server hello
TLS [22:08:48.850019] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read encrypted extensions
TLS [22:08:48.852362] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server certificate
TLS [22:08:48.852540] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read server certificate verify
TLS [22:08:48.852614] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read finished
TLS [22:08:48.852639] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write change cipher spec
TLS [22:08:48.852788] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write finished
TLS [22:08:48.852823] : undefined:handshake done
TLS [22:08:48.937398] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:08:48.937429] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:08:48.937476] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
TLS [22:08:48.937532] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:08:48.937545] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:08:48.937567] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
<<< [22:08:49.176088] 200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

[22:08:49.176131] CAPABILITIES

<<< [22:08:50.310438] 101 Capability list:
<<< [22:08:50.310478] VERSION 2
<<< [22:08:50.310493] IMPLEMENTATION GO 0.1
<<< [22:08:50.310507] AUTHINFO SASL
<<< [22:08:50.310521] HDR
<<< [22:08:50.310539] LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES COUNTS NEWSGROUPS MOTD OVERVIEW.FMT
<<< [22:08:50.310555] OVER
<<< [22:08:50.310568] READER
TLS [22:09:49.083655] : SSL3 alert read:warning:close notify
TLS [22:09:49.083748] : SSL3 alert write:warning:close notify
TLS [22:11:46.029946] : undefined:handshake start
TLS [22:11:46.029993] : SSL_connect:before SSL initialization
TLS [22:11:46.030198] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [22:11:46.116877] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write client hello
TLS [22:11:46.117119] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server hello
TLS [22:11:46.117146] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read encrypted extensions
TLS [22:11:46.119486] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server certificate
TLS [22:11:46.119661] : SSL_connect:TLSv1.3 read server certificate verify
TLS [22:11:46.119735] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read finished
TLS [22:11:46.119757] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write change cipher spec
TLS [22:11:46.119875] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS write finished
TLS [22:11:46.119894] : undefined:handshake done
TLS [22:11:46.203984] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:11:46.204020] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:11:46.204066] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
TLS [22:11:46.204128] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:11:46.204144] : SSL_connect:SSL negotiation finished successfully
TLS [22:11:46.204173] : SSL_connect:SSLv3/TLS read server session ticket
<<< [22:11:46.264007] 200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

[22:11:46.264030] AUTHINFO USER usenet

<<< [22:11:47.464239] 381 Send password

[22:11:47.464277] AUTHINFO PASS archive

<<< [22:11:48.590700] 281 Accepted

[22:11:50.592944] XOVER

<<< [22:11:50.705858] 502 Error

[22:11:50.705901] XHDR

<<< [22:11:51.018201] 412 Not in a newsgroup

[22:11:51.018243] GROUP alt.free.newsservers

<<< [22:11:51.131553] 211 173797 1 173797 alt.free.newsservers

[22:11:51.131585] MODE READER

<<< [22:11:52.277321] 200 MODE READER

[22:11:58.238944] ARTICLE 173797

<<< [22:11:58.355180] 220 173797

[22:11:59.317747] ARTICLE 173757

<<< [22:11:59.547997] 220 173757

[22:12:09.216081] ARTICLE 173787

<<< [22:12:09.378896] 220 173787

[22:12:13.892855] ARTICLE 173788

<<< [22:12:14.237034] 220 173788

[22:12:19.187983] ARTICLE 173775

<<< [22:12:19.414550] 220 173775

[22:12:28.485701] QUIT

<<< [22:12:28.630541] 205 Bye
TLS [22:12:28.630603] : SSL3 alert write:warning:close notify ----------------------------------------------------------------------


Here is port 119 log (the last part): ----------------------------------------------------------------------
...

[22:17:56.477218] LISTGROUP alt.free.newsservers

<<< [22:17:56.897061] 211 Article numbers follow:alt.free.newsservers

[22:18:15.644306] ARTICLE 173757

<<< [22:18:15.760463] 220 173757

[22:18:17.786892] ARTICLE 173797

<<< [22:18:17.930154] 220 173797

[22:23:47.019711] ARTICLE 173795

<<< [22:23:47.150408] 220 173795

[22:23:49.181543] ARTICLE 173784

<<< [22:23:49.403171] 220 173784

[22:23:50.172249] ARTICLE 173778

<<< [22:23:50.324742] 220 173778

[22:30:07.451372] ARTICLE 173757

<<< [22:30:17.394574] 200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

[22:30:17.394615] CAPABILITIES

<<< [22:30:18.619635] 101 Capability list:
<<< [22:30:18.619676] VERSION 2
<<< [22:30:18.619691] IMPLEMENTATION GO 0.1
<<< [22:30:18.619703] AUTHINFO SASL
<<< [22:30:18.619717] HDR
<<< [22:30:18.619729] LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES COUNTS NEWSGROUPS MOTD OVERVIEW.FMT
<<< [22:30:18.619742] OVER
<<< [22:30:18.619753] READER
<<< [22:31:22.209794] 200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

[22:31:22.209835] AUTHINFO USER usenet

<<< [22:31:23.438582] 381 Send password

[22:31:23.438624] AUTHINFO PASS archive

<<< [22:31:24.667238] 281 Accepted

[22:31:26.669345] XOVER

<<< [22:31:26.783369] 502 Error

[22:31:26.783405] XHDR

<<< [22:31:27.096444] 412 Not in a newsgroup

[22:31:27.096489] GROUP alt.free.newsservers

<<< [22:31:27.210147] 211 173797 1 173797 alt.free.newsservers

[22:31:27.210188] MODE READER

<<< [22:31:28.353702] 200 MODE READER

[22:31:37.312350] ARTICLE 173757

<<< [22:31:37.429310] 220 173757

[22:31:38.640174] ARTICLE 173797

<<< [22:31:38.798541] 220 173797

[22:31:44.239264] QUIT

<<< [22:31:44.430527] 205 Bye ----------------------------------------------------------------------

As you can see there is the same one minute *gap* after the
(<<< [XX:XX:XX.XXXXXX] READER) line. What goes after is the second reconnection.
There is also (<<< [22:31:26.783369] 502 Error) in both cases.
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On 09.08.25 10:38, DrunkenThon wrote:
...

However, the second (re)connection still occurs. Perhaps, the problem
is not with TLS. Connection to port 119 has the same issue.

...

As you can see there is the same one minute*gap* after the
(<<< [XX:XX:XX.XXXXXX] READER) line. What goes after is the second reconnection.
There is also (<<< [22:31:26.783369] 502 Error) in both cases.

THANKS!

that 1m delay is weird... output looks normal
capabilities terminate with crlf dot crlf
..tin should continue..

could be an issue in tin, via openssl and telnet never waits...
but AUTHINFO SASL announced and SASL line is missing in capabilities

502 - I'll fix later but that's not the issue
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Billy G. <no-reply@no.spam> wrote:

THANKS!

that 1m delay is weird... output looks normal
capabilities terminate with crlf dot crlf
..tin should continue..

could be an issue in tin, via openssl and telnet never waits...
but AUTHINFO SASL announced and SASL line is missing in capabilities

502 - I'll fix later but that's not the issue

I also tried to connect using slrn newsreader (for which I'm not
an expert). Here is how it goes in the terminal:


vmacc@vmdebian:~$ slrn --debug ~/.slrn_debug.log -f ~/.slrn/nd.jnewsrc -h lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu
slrn 1.0.3

Loading /usr/share/slrn/slang/slrn.sl
Reading startup file /etc/news/slrn.rc.
Reading startup file /home/vmacc/.slrnrc.
Using newsrc file /home/vmacc/.slrn/nd.jnewsrc for server lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu.
Connecting to host lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu ...
Authenticating usenet ...
Connected to host. Posting ok.
Checking for new groups ...
Server lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu dropped connection. Reconnecting...
Connecting to host lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu ...
Authenticating usenet ...
Connected to host. Posting ok.
Server lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu dropped connection. Reconnecting...
Connecting to host lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu ...
Authenticating usenet ...
Connected to host. Posting ok.
Server failed to return proper response to NEWGROUPS:
NEWGROUPS 250809 124142 GMT

Checking news ...
Server lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu dropped connection. Reconnecting...
Connecting to host lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu ...
Authenticating usenet ...
Connected to host. Posting ok.


All those (dis)connections go pretty quickly, i.e. no long delays (just "Checking news ..." took 10-12 seconds).

And here is the .slrn_debug.log:

---------------------------------------------------------------------- !Connecting to server...
<200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

MODE READER

<200 MODE READER

AUTHINFO USER usenet

<381 Send password

AUTHINFO PASS archive

<281 Accepted

XOVER

<502 Error

XHDR Path

<412 Not in a newsgroup

LIST OVERVIEW.FMT

<215 Order of fields in overview database.
<Subject:
<From:
<Date:
<Message-ID:
<References:
<Bytes:
<Lines:
<Xref:full
<.

NEWGROUPS 250809 124142 GMT

<400 Unknown CMD
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Connecting to server...
<200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

MODE READER

<200 MODE READER

AUTHINFO USER usenet

<381 Send password

AUTHINFO PASS archive

<281 Accepted

NEWGROUPS 250809 124142 GMT

<400 Unknown CMD
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Connecting to server...
<200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

MODE READER

<200 MODE READER

AUTHINFO USER usenet

<381 Send password

AUTHINFO PASS archive

<281 Accepted

NEWGROUPS 250809 124142 GMT

<400 Unknown CMD
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Disconnecting from server.
!Connecting to server...
<200 THE-BUGGIEST-NNTP-SERVER-EVER 0.1-p3

MODE READER

<200 MODE READER

AUTHINFO USER usenet

<381 Send password

AUTHINFO PASS archive

<281 Accepted

GROUP news.answers

<211 315333 1 315333 news.answers

GROUP news.announce.newusers

GROUP news.newusers.questions

GROUP news.groups.questions

GROUP news.software.readers

GROUP alt.test

<211 5139 1 5139 news.announce.newusers
<211 245581 1 245581 news.newusers.questions
<211 39432 1 39432 news.groups.questions
<211 264219 1 264219 news.software.readers
<211 349972 1 349972 alt.test

QUIT

!Closing the server connection. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Connection to E-S went ok and quick with the same slrn settings,
which are actually default except these:

vmacc@vmdebian:~$ cat .slrnrc
nnrpaccess "lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu" "usenet" "archive"
set force_authentication 1

I hope that helps.
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Best regards,
DrunkenThon.
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