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On 9/30/2025 9:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-10-01 03:53:18 +0000, Robin Miller said:
Capricorne wrote:
I received this today:
"Dear Users of the news server News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET, >>>
We hereby announce the discontinuation of the service as of 30
September 2027 (that is two years from now).
Use of the service will no longer be possible after this date.
Effective immediately, we will no longer accept new registrations for
the service News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET.
Existing users may continue to use the service until its termination,
regardless of their current subscription period. Please do not make
any further payments from now on.
We wish to express our sincere gratitude for your rCo often many years >>> of rCo use of this classic internet service via our server.
Sincerely
The News Team of Freie Universit|nt Berlin
(Bettina Fink, Vera Heinau, Heiko Schlichting)-a-a-a "
Too bad.
I've used them for years. This is very disappointing. I hope that,
when the end comes, there will be a dependable alternative.
--Robin
Eternal September ... free and no major problems in the few years I've
been using it (since my old newsserver shut down).
I've found Solani to be reliable as well.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 21:48:07 -0700, suzeeq wrote:
On 9/30/2025 9:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-10-01 03:53:18 +0000, Robin Miller said:
Capricorne wrote:
I received this today:
"Dear Users of the news server News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET, >>>>>
We hereby announce the discontinuation of the service as of 30
September 2027 (that is two years from now).
Use of the service will no longer be possible after this date.
Effective immediately, we will no longer accept new registrations for >>>>> the service News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET.
Existing users may continue to use the service until its termination, >>>>> regardless of their current subscription period. Please do not make
any further payments from now on.
We wish to express our sincere gratitude for your rCo often many years >>>>> of rCo use of this classic internet service via our server.
Sincerely
The News Team of Freie Universit|nt Berlin
(Bettina Fink, Vera Heinau, Heiko Schlichting)-a-a-a "
Too bad.
I've used them for years. This is very disappointing. I hope that,
when the end comes, there will be a dependable alternative.
--Robin
Eternal September ... free and no major problems in the few years I've
been using it (since my old newsserver shut down).
I've found Solani to be reliable as well.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
Working well. Has a subject limit of 72 chars but that's minor.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
Working well. Has a subject limit of 72 chars but that's minor.
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
YGG: [200:2b14:f2d1:f63e:7d97:cd8a:6d1f:a95f]:119
YGG: [200:9359:d9ae:fb4e:05d8:6038:1f24:cb03]:119
YGG: [200:6bb2:dbd7:41b4:23e2:5999:88f9:c6cc]:119
YGG: [201:fa2e:6602:364a:a091:6ab9:4d30:bc61]:119
YGG: [203:4b12:83a0:63d9:8bc6:3f03:b4b1:2da5]:119
YGG: [201:bd18:433e:96a6:928e:cccb:a5e6:64f7]:119
YGG: [203:0f26:377c:a258:8e6a:22a2:9878:f923]:119
YGG: [201:8874:d610:a9cd:9d0e:173d:8345:5758]:119TOR: h7yirgkelxgefct6qrn7esakg7cxjurmttnel2hkhp2lhojr6h5d7kad.onion:119
Efc| news-tyo.pugleaf.net | Tokyo / Japan
YGG: [200:1e11:6663:0f50:6773:84ed:51f0:a9cd]:119
On 2025-10-01 10:49, rottenjohnny wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 21:48:07 -0700, suzeeq wrote:
On 9/30/2025 9:35 PM, Your Name wrote:
On 2025-10-01 03:53:18 +0000, Robin Miller said:
Capricorne wrote:
I received this today:
"Dear Users of the news server News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET,
We hereby announce the discontinuation of the service as of 30
September 2027 (that is two years from now).
Use of the service will no longer be possible after this date.
Effective immediately, we will no longer accept new registrations for >>>>>> the service News.Individual.DE / News.Individual.NET.
Existing users may continue to use the service until its termination, >>>>>> regardless of their current subscription period. Please do not make >>>>>> any further payments from now on.
We wish to express our sincere gratitude for your rCo often many years >>>>>> of rCo use of this classic internet service via our server.
Sincerely
The News Team of Freie Universit|nt Berlin
(Bettina Fink, Vera Heinau, Heiko Schlichting)-a-a-a "
Too bad.
I've used them for years. This is very disappointing. I hope that,
when the end comes, there will be a dependable alternative.
--Robin
Eternal September ... free and no major problems in the few years I've >>>> been using it (since my old newsserver shut down).
I've found Solani to be reliable as well.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
Working well. Has a subject limit of 72 chars but that's minor.
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
On Oct 1, 2025 at 4:51:16 AM PDT, ""Carlos E.R.""Text-based Usenet isn't on the radar of censorship agencies.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Not sure why. Any server located in Europe has to abide by their
draconian hate speech censorship laws.
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.Tell us why!
Am 01.10.2025 16:13 Uhr schrieb BTR1701:
Oct 1, 2025 at 4:51:16 AM PDT, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Not sure why. Any server located in Europe has to abide by their
draconian hate speech censorship laws.
Text-based Usenet isn't on the radar of censorship agencies.
Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 16:13 Uhr schrieb BTR1701:
Oct 1, 2025 at 4:51:16 AM PDT, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Not sure why. Any server located in Europe has to abide by their >>>draconian hate speech censorship laws.
Text-based Usenet isn't on the radar of censorship agencies.
You know not whereof you speak. I take it you never heard of Andrew
Cuomo.
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other
side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you.
On Oct 2, 2025 at 2:45:47rC>PM CDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other
side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you.
Yes and no. Accessing a "slow" server that has low latency/RTT can feel more responsive to the end user than a faster server located farther away. Much depends on the use case and how the underlying protocol operates.
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other
side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you.
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other
side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you.
The Australian news server I'm using (from Australia):
PING news.ausics.net (120.88.115.158): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=0 ttl=48 time=164.1 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=87.9 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=2 ttl=48 time=113.1 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=3 ttl=48 time=69.1 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=4 ttl=48 time=68.2 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=5 ttl=48 time=68.0 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=6 ttl=48 time=68.3 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=7 ttl=48 time=68.3 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=8 ttl=48 time=68.5 ms
64 bytes from 120.88.115.158: icmp_seq=9 ttl=48 time=68.4 ms
news.individual.net in Germany:
PING news.individual.net (130.133.4.11): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=0 ttl=36 time=345.6 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=1 ttl=36 time=359.4 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=2 ttl=36 time=399.5 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=3 ttl=36 time=359.7 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=4 ttl=36 time=399.8 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=5 ttl=36 time=359.8 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=6 ttl=36 time=339.7 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=7 ttl=36 time=356.9 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=8 ttl=36 time=399.9 ms
64 bytes from 130.133.4.11: icmp_seq=9 ttl=36 time=359.9 ms
Of course maybe news.individual.net is much slower, but since I've
seen the same thing a lot of times with different servers (mirror
sites for Linux packages mainly), I doubt it.
I also tested four other overseas news servers (Netfront, Paganini,
Mixmin, and Neodome) and they all have minimum ping times between
320 and 420 ms, so either Ausics is amazingly fast or yes,
geography matters.
It is noticable with the delay between pressing 'n' in Tin and seeing
the next post.
My ISP also now seems to secretly throttle download speeds from
overseas servers to under ~3Mbit/s, but since downloads start quick
then slow down to the limit after a few seconds it can be overcome
by continually opening new connections during the download
(although that's not kind to the server, so I only do it to my own
overseas VPS). I guess it's so webpages load fast but they don't
want people doing large downloads at higher speeds due to limited
bandwidth over the intercontinental links?
Of course maybe news.individual.net is much slower, but since I'veYes, it is the distance.
seen the same thing a lot of times with different servers (mirror
sites for Linux packages mainly), I doubt it.
I also tested four other overseas news servers (Netfront, Paganini,
Mixmin, and Neodome) and they all have minimum ping times between
320 and 420 ms, so either Ausics is amazingly fast or yes,
geography matters. It is noticable with the delay between pressing
'n' in Tin and seeing the next post.
On 2025-10-05 21:34:35 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev said:
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:[snip]
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other
side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you.
I also tested four other overseas news servers (Netfront, Paganini,
Mixmin, and Neodome) and they all have minimum ping times between
320 and 420 ms, so either Ausics is amazingly fast or yes,
geography matters.
I said "can be" ... not "always is". :-)
It is noticable with the delay between pressing 'n' in Tin and seeing
the next post.
My ISP also now seems to secretly throttle download speeds from
overseas servers to under ~3Mbit/s, but since downloads start quick
then slow down to the limit after a few seconds it can be overcome
by continually opening new connections during the download
(although that's not kind to the server, so I only do it to my own
overseas VPS). I guess it's so webpages load fast but they don't
want people doing large downloads at higher speeds due to limited
bandwidth over the intercontinental links?
Your ISP is just one of many many factors affecting connection speeds.
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-05 21:34:35 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev said:
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:I also tested four other overseas news servers (Netfront, Paganini,
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other >>> side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you. >> [snip]
Mixmin, and Neodome) and they all have minimum ping times between
320 and 420 ms, so either Ausics is amazingly fast or yes,
geography matters.
I said "can be" ... not "always is". :-)
Yes I'm pretty sure the USA - Europe internet links are much
quicker so the possibility is more likely over them. But on the
topic of "proximity on the internet", it's not as you say "rather meaningless".
It is noticable with the delay between pressing 'n' in Tin and seeing
the next post.
My ISP also now seems to secretly throttle download speeds from
overseas servers to under ~3Mbit/s, but since downloads start quick
then slow down to the limit after a few seconds it can be overcome
by continually opening new connections during the download
(although that's not kind to the server, so I only do it to my own
overseas VPS). I guess it's so webpages load fast but they don't
want people doing large downloads at higher speeds due to limited
bandwidth over the intercontinental links?
Your ISP is just one of many many factors affecting connection speeds.
Well it's the same at another site using the same connection type
(mobile broadband) and different hardware (except the same phone
tower). Australian servers or sites using CDNs can get up to 30x the
download speed of overseas servers, whereas on fixed line
connections the overseas servers are always much quicker (without
using multiple connections). I'm not sure why they single-out mobile broadband for this treatment, maybe they think phone users won't
notice?
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On 7 Oct 2025 07:27:04 +1000, nottelling.you. wrote:
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-05 21:34:35 +0000, Computer Nerd Kev said:
In alt.free.newsservers Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-02 12:03:59 +0000, Carlos E.R. said:I also tested four other overseas news servers (Netfront, Paganini,
On 2025-10-01 20:41, Marco Moock wrote:
Am 01.10.2025 13:51 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
I would prefer an European server even if I have to pay.
Tell us why!
Proximity, for starters.
Proximity on the internet is rather meaningless. A server on the other >>>>> side of the planet can be faster than a server in the same city as you. >>>> [snip]
Mixmin, and Neodome) and they all have minimum ping times between
320 and 420 ms, so either Ausics is amazingly fast or yes,
geography matters.
I said "can be" ... not "always is". :-)
Yes I'm pretty sure the USA - Europe internet links are much
quicker so the possibility is more likely over them. But on the
topic of "proximity on the internet", it's not as you say "rather
meaningless".
There are good days and not so good days. Depends on congestion in general and an increase in streaming.
It is noticable with the delay between pressing 'n' in Tin and seeing
the next post.
My ISP also now seems to secretly throttle download speeds from
overseas servers to under ~3Mbit/s, but since downloads start quick
then slow down to the limit after a few seconds it can be overcome
by continually opening new connections during the download
(although that's not kind to the server, so I only do it to my own
overseas VPS). I guess it's so webpages load fast but they don't
want people doing large downloads at higher speeds due to limited
bandwidth over the intercontinental links?
Your ISP is just one of many many factors affecting connection speeds.
Well it's the same at another site using the same connection type
(mobile broadband) and different hardware (except the same phone
tower). Australian servers or sites using CDNs can get up to 30x the
download speed of overseas servers, whereas on fixed line
connections the overseas servers are always much quicker (without
using multiple connections). I'm not sure why they single-out mobile
broadband for this treatment, maybe they think phone users won't
notice?
Australia has some good communications systems. I work with some of
the teams managing them. Intense, but a good lot.