• Re: We May Have Our Third Interstellar Visitor

    From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.fan.heinlein on Wed Jul 2 18:24:35 2025
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    "a425couple" wrote in message news:8Vd9Q.130103$KxI2.107112@fx45.iad...

    In the next week or two I hope to visit with my oldest grandchild, age
    13, who lives out of state. She has started reading sci-fi, and I will
    give her a copy of Arthur C. Clarkes "Rendezvous with Rama."

    [ I wouldn't have flunked the test. ]

    from https://www.iflscience.com/we-may-have-our-third-interstellar-visitor-and-its-nothing-like-the-previous-two-79837

    ...Annoyingly, however, the
    closest approach will occur when Earth is worst positioned to see it, on
    the opposite side of the Sun.
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    That's good, Earth will present the sunlit side and not have to turn off all lights at night to hide.

    An object is known to be from beyond the solar system if its orbit is hyperbolic or it exceeds solar escape velocity, 42.1 km/s at our orbital distance and decreasing as it moves outward. Isaac Newton determined this. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/76404

    Star or planet gravity is a free way to navigate in space: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist

    Like a brick through a window.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh-My-God_particle

    For comparison an electron - positron annihilation releases two oppositely directed gamma rays of 0.511 MeV each, and it's 1862MeV or 3x10-10 Joules
    for a proton - antiproton collision. 1 Joule is 1 Watt-Second.

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  • From a425couple@a425couple@hotmail.com to alt.astronomy,rec.aviation.military,alt.fan.heinlein on Wed Jul 2 10:22:11 2025
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    In the next week or two I hope to visit with my oldest grandchild, age
    13, who lives out of state. She has started reading sci-fi, and I will
    give her a copy of Arthur C. Clarkes "Rendezvous with Rama."

    from https://www.iflscience.com/we-may-have-our-third-interstellar-visitor-and-its-nothing-like-the-previous-two-79837

    We May Have Our Third Interstellar Visitor And ItrCOs Nothing Like The Previous Two
    If A11pl3Z is what we think, then the first three visitors werCOve found
    are all very different.
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    Freelance Writer

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    Estimates of A11pl3Z's orbit are changing fast, but it is clear that it
    barely bends on its way past the Sun, being very much a visitor from
    outside the Solar System.

    Image Credit: Catalina Sky Survey

    Astronomers have detected an object with an orbit that will take it out
    of the Solar System, and almost certainly must have come from outside as
    well. Having recognized it long before it reaches its closest approach
    to the Sun, we will have months to study it as it brightens. What we
    already know, however, is that it has a much more extreme orbit than the
    two previous examples, 'Oumuamua and Borisov, which in turn were quite
    unlike each other in composition. Outside the Solar System, the universe
    is a very diverse place.

    In 2017, astronomers found something they had never seen before: an
    object passing through the Solar System with an orbit indicating it came
    from outside. Subsequently named 'Oumuamua, the visitor appears to have
    a composition and shape unlike anything we have seen, leading to
    discredited claims it was an alien spaceship. Two years later, Comet 2I/Borisov turned up and was found to be much more similar to Solar
    System comets, although its orbit clearly marked it as interstellar.

    We donrCOt yet have those sorts of details of the new object,
    provisionally named A11pl3Z, or even whether it is a comet or asteroid,
    but we know it is unlike the others in one important way: its orbit.

    A11pl3Z is currently slightly inside the orbit of Jupiter, but on almost exactly the opposite side of the Sun, so it has not been affected by the
    giant planetrCOs gravity.

    First detected by the ATLAS sky survey on July 1, A11pl3Z was announced
    on BlueSky by astronomy student K Ly with the handle astrafoxen. The
    discovery set off a scramble by other observatories to see if they had
    images of it that they had overlooked, which could help refine its orbit.

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    It turned out ATLAS itself had records from June 25-28, and once
    alerted, the Zwicky Transient Facility came up with data from June 14-21.

    A11pl3Z seen by Deep Random Survey, Chile. The telescope is tracking the intruder, so the stars move and look stretched in 600-second exposures.
    Image Credit: K Ly (astrafoxen)/Deep Random Survey
    Orbits are measured by their eccentricity (e). Those bound to the
    gravity well of a larger object have e values between zero (perfectly circular) and fractionally below 1 (extremely elongated like long-period comets). An eccentricity greater than 1 means an object is a one-time
    visitor to the Solar System that wonrCOt be back.

    'Oumuamua had an eccentricity of 1.20, and initial estimates were
    somewhat lower, leading to some claims werCOd just mismeasured an orbit
    that was a tiny bit below 1, and therefore not interstellar at all.
    Comets or asteroids with eccentricities of less than one can be thrown
    out of the Solar System by encounters with giant planets, so it also
    took a while to check 'Oumuamua hadnrCOt only been recently boosted to an
    e value greater than 1, after a lifetime spent orbiting the Sun.

    A11pl3Z never left room for such doubt, its orbital eccentricity was
    initially thought to be more than 10, and is currently estimated to be
    above 6, Further change is possible, but itrCOs still more than double Borisov; werCOre definitely seeing something unlike any previous visitor.

    People who have seen too many science fiction disaster movies neednrCOt
    worry. A11pl3ZrCOs trajectory will never bring it within 50 million
    kilometers (31 million miles) of EarthrCOs orbit, let alone Earth itself.

    ThererCOs some uncertainty as to whether A11pl3Z will pass inside the
    orbit of Mars (see image at top) at closest approach, expected in
    October, or just outside it.

    At magnitude 17.2, A11pl3Z is currently too faint for backyard
    telescopes to detect, but that will change as it gets closer,
    particularly if it turns out to be a comet. Annoyingly, however, the
    closest approach will occur when Earth is worst positioned to see it, on
    the opposite side of the Sun.

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