It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe
in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe
in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
ciao..--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe
in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo
<schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:59:05 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
NOpe.
get-culture
Get-UICulture
get-culture | Format-List -Property *
$PSCultureen-US
systeminfo.exe <=== This seems a good choice, as far as it goes.
On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:59:05 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
NOpe.
get-culture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
Get-UICulture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
get-culture | Format-List -Property *
Parent : en
LCID : 1033
KeyboardLayoutId : 1033
Name : en-US
IetfLanguageTag : en-US
DisplayName : English (United States)
NativeName : English (United States)
EnglishName : English (United States) TwoLetterISOLanguageName : en
ThreeLetterISOLanguageName : eng
ThreeLetterWindowsLanguageName : ENU
CompareInfo : CompareInfo - en-US
TextInfo : TextInfo - en-US
IsNeutralCulture : False
CultureTypes : SpecificCultures, InstalledWin32Cultures, FrameworkCultures
NumberFormat : System.Globalization.NumberFormatInfo DateTimeFormat : System.Globalization.DateTimeFormatInfo Calendar : System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar OptionalCalendars : {System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar, System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar}
UseUserOverride : True
IsReadOnly : False
$PSCultureen-US
systeminfo.exe <=== This seems a good choice, as far as it goes.
System Locale: en-us;English (United States)
Input Locale: en-us;English (United States)
*******
Using the Firefox profile manager, create a new profile
and see if the input acquires the strange property. If it does,
then the answer may lie in the locale info that the commands
above attempt to display (in other words, Firefox is getting
this info from your system). Note that Firefox is cross platform,
and it will even use "dumb" features if they are common to all
three+ platforms. Mozilla does not like writing "custom code"
for any platform if they can help it. The graphics interface
is certainly an exception, as the graphics person has suffered
hair loss from all the variations needing support (Wayland,
XWayland, X11, Quartz, Metal, Vulcan, WebGL, FlavorOfTheWeek...)
Otherwise, maybe a person is forced to write a program and
use a locale library of some sort, to get more detail.
I'm hoping systeminfo, those two lines, provide a hint.
Otherwise, you might have to resort to Config Manager in Firefox
and attempt to find some specific forcing function, which is
highly unlikely. Programs are supposed to use the info
from the ENV for this sort of thing, not wing it on their
own (we don't want French input on one program, Swahili on another program).
Somewhere in the commands above, has to be a "hint" that
you've been screwing around :-) It's probably not Explorer Patcher
this time :-)
Paul
On 17.12.2025 23:28, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:59:05 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
NOpe.
get-culture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
Get-UICulture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
get-culture | Format-List -Property *
Parent : en
LCID : 1033
KeyboardLayoutId : 1033
Name : en-US
IetfLanguageTag : en-US
DisplayName : English (United States)
NativeName : English (United States)
EnglishName : English (United States)
TwoLetterISOLanguageName : en
ThreeLetterISOLanguageName : eng
ThreeLetterWindowsLanguageName : ENU
CompareInfo : CompareInfo - en-US
TextInfo : TextInfo - en-US
IsNeutralCulture : False
CultureTypes : SpecificCultures, InstalledWin32Cultures, FrameworkCultures
NumberFormat : System.Globalization.NumberFormatInfo
DateTimeFormat : System.Globalization.DateTimeFormatInfo
Calendar : System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar
OptionalCalendars : {System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar, System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar}
UseUserOverride : True
IsReadOnly : False
$PSCultureen-US
systeminfo.exe <=== This seems a good choice, as far as it goes. >>System Locale: en-us;English (United States)
Input Locale: en-us;English (United States)
*******
Using the Firefox profile manager, create a new profile
and see if the input acquires the strange property. If it does,
then the answer may lie in the locale info that the commands
above attempt to display (in other words, Firefox is getting
this info from your system). Note that Firefox is cross platform,
and it will even use "dumb" features if they are common to all
three+ platforms. Mozilla does not like writing "custom code"
for any platform if they can help it. The graphics interface
is certainly an exception, as the graphics person has suffered
hair loss from all the variations needing support (Wayland,
XWayland, X11, Quartz, Metal, Vulcan, WebGL, FlavorOfTheWeek...)
Otherwise, maybe a person is forced to write a program and
use a locale library of some sort, to get more detail.
I'm hoping systeminfo, those two lines, provide a hint.
Otherwise, you might have to resort to Config Manager in Firefox
and attempt to find some specific forcing function, which is
highly unlikely. Programs are supposed to use the info
from the ENV for this sort of thing, not wing it on their
own (we don't want French input on one program, Swahili on another program). >>
Somewhere in the commands above, has to be a "hint" that
you've been screwing around :-) It's probably not Explorer Patcher
this time :-)
Paul
that's all futile when the website uses geolocation.
On a holiday in Greece I always got a Greek google website,
no matter what OS Language/Browser UI Language/Browser Default language setting.
(Stupid Web Developers)
ciao...
get-culture
On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 17:28:27 -0500, Paul wrote:
get-culture
Ah, so a Windows-11 thing.
On Wed, 12/17/2025 5:47 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 23:28, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:59:05 +0000, Andy >>>> Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
NOpe.
get-culture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
Get-UICulture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
get-culture | Format-List -Property *
Parent : en
LCID : 1033
KeyboardLayoutId : 1033
Name : en-US
IetfLanguageTag : en-US
DisplayName : English (United States)
NativeName : English (United States)
EnglishName : English (United States)
TwoLetterISOLanguageName : en
ThreeLetterISOLanguageName : eng
ThreeLetterWindowsLanguageName : ENU
CompareInfo : CompareInfo - en-US
TextInfo : TextInfo - en-US
IsNeutralCulture : False
CultureTypes : SpecificCultures, InstalledWin32Cultures, FrameworkCultures
NumberFormat : System.Globalization.NumberFormatInfo
DateTimeFormat : System.Globalization.DateTimeFormatInfo >>> Calendar : System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar
OptionalCalendars : {System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar, System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar}
UseUserOverride : True
IsReadOnly : False
$PSCultureen-US
systeminfo.exe <=== This seems a good choice, as far as it goes. >>>System Locale: en-us;English (United States)
Input Locale: en-us;English (United States)
*******
Using the Firefox profile manager, create a new profile
and see if the input acquires the strange property. If it does,
then the answer may lie in the locale info that the commands
above attempt to display (in other words, Firefox is getting
this info from your system). Note that Firefox is cross platform,
and it will even use "dumb" features if they are common to all
three+ platforms. Mozilla does not like writing "custom code"
for any platform if they can help it. The graphics interface
is certainly an exception, as the graphics person has suffered
hair loss from all the variations needing support (Wayland,
XWayland, X11, Quartz, Metal, Vulcan, WebGL, FlavorOfTheWeek...)
Otherwise, maybe a person is forced to write a program and
use a locale library of some sort, to get more detail.
I'm hoping systeminfo, those two lines, provide a hint.
Otherwise, you might have to resort to Config Manager in Firefox
and attempt to find some specific forcing function, which is
highly unlikely. Programs are supposed to use the info
from the ENV for this sort of thing, not wing it on their
own (we don't want French input on one program, Swahili on another program).
Somewhere in the commands above, has to be a "hint" that
you've been screwing around :-) It's probably not Explorer Patcher
this time :-)
Paul
that's all futile when the website uses geolocation.
On a holiday in Greece I always got a Greek google website,
no matter what OS Language/Browser UI Language/Browser Default language setting.
(Stupid Web Developers)
ciao...
A box as part of the browser interface, is likely to use locale
information to determine whether right to left or left to right
is required. It's possible the Input Locale is the offending
piece of metadata.
The web site language choice, affects what appears in the viewing
pane, as part of the website-delivered content.
On 18.12.2025 01:26, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/17/2025 5:47 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 23:28, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/17/2025 4:18 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 11:59:05 +0000, Andy >>>>> Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,Perhaps setting your language to Arabic?
start at the right end of the search box?
NOpe.
get-culture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
Get-UICulture
LCID Name DisplayName
---- ---- -----------
1033 en-US English (United States)
get-culture | Format-List -Property *
Parent : en
LCID : 1033
KeyboardLayoutId : 1033
Name : en-US
IetfLanguageTag : en-US
DisplayName : English (United States)
NativeName : English (United States)
EnglishName : English (United States)
TwoLetterISOLanguageName : en
ThreeLetterISOLanguageName : eng
ThreeLetterWindowsLanguageName : ENU
CompareInfo : CompareInfo - en-US
TextInfo : TextInfo - en-US
IsNeutralCulture : False
CultureTypes : SpecificCultures, InstalledWin32Cultures, FrameworkCultures
NumberFormat : System.Globalization.NumberFormatInfo >>>> DateTimeFormat : System.Globalization.DateTimeFormatInfo >>>> Calendar : System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar >>>> OptionalCalendars : {System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar, System.Globalization.GregorianCalendar}
UseUserOverride : True
IsReadOnly : False
$PSCultureen-US
systeminfo.exe <=== This seems a good choice, as far as it goes. >>>>System Locale: en-us;English (United States)
Input Locale: en-us;English (United States)
*******
Using the Firefox profile manager, create a new profile
and see if the input acquires the strange property. If it does,
then the answer may lie in the locale info that the commands
above attempt to display (in other words, Firefox is getting
this info from your system). Note that Firefox is cross platform,
and it will even use "dumb" features if they are common to all
three+ platforms. Mozilla does not like writing "custom code"
for any platform if they can help it. The graphics interface
is certainly an exception, as the graphics person has suffered
hair loss from all the variations needing support (Wayland,
XWayland, X11, Quartz, Metal, Vulcan, WebGL, FlavorOfTheWeek...)
Otherwise, maybe a person is forced to write a program and
use a locale library of some sort, to get more detail.
I'm hoping systeminfo, those two lines, provide a hint.
Otherwise, you might have to resort to Config Manager in Firefox
and attempt to find some specific forcing function, which is
highly unlikely. Programs are supposed to use the info
from the ENV for this sort of thing, not wing it on their
own (we don't want French input on one program, Swahili on another program).
Somewhere in the commands above, has to be a "hint" that
you've been screwing around :-) It's probably not Explorer Patcher
this time :-)
Paul
that's all futile when the website uses geolocation.
On a holiday in Greece I always got a Greek google website,
no matter what OS Language/Browser UI Language/Browser Default language setting.
(Stupid Web Developers)
ciao...
A box as part of the browser interface, is likely to use locale
information to determine whether right to left or left to right
is required. It's possible the Input Locale is the offending
piece of metadata.
The web site language choice, affects what appears in the viewing
pane, as part of the website-delivered content.
NONSENSE!
The ONLY way a webserver knows about your language is this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Accept-Language
It is set in the browser settings.
Please tell me wtf locale information you're talking about?
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo
<schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS >setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific >location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:Isn't Micky Mouse's latest knickers-in-twist possibly the result of a accidental multi-key keyboard command?
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS >setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific >location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS
setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific
location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
It's based on the IP address.
On 12/18/2025 10:14 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100,
Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i >>>>>>> win11 and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the
url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, >>>>>>> maybe in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in
Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing
in the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows.
And it went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language and
ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
OS setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the
specific location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see
where the system "thinks" where it is.
It's based on the IP address.
Adam, the IP of the end user's device, the IP of the router providing
the connection to the end user's device, or the IP of the ISP?
On 12/18/2025 10:14 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it >>>>> went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language? >>>>>
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS
setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific >>> location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
It's based on the IP address.
Adam, the IP of the end user's device, the IP of the router providing
the connection to the end user's device, or the IP of the ISP?
On Thu, 12/18/2025 12:09 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
On 12/18/2025 10:14 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it >>>>>> went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language? >>>>>>
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS >>>> setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific >>>> location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
It's based on the IP address.
Adam, the IP of the end user's device, the IP of the router providing
the connection to the end user's device, or the IP of the ISP?
The WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines.
For IPV4, your WAN address is all they see. 192.168.1.2 is not
route-able.
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN Some web site
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |------- 37.23.17.122 ----------------- It sees the WAN address
192.168.1.4 -- | | Reverse maps to
the wrong city
half of the time
Go to:
whatismyip.com ==> say it returns 37.23.17.122
and that will be your current WAN side IP value.
Then do in your Terminal window
nslookup 37.23.17.122
and see if the symbolic value has a city designation.
In a more naive time, the info you got from the WAN IP was
of some value. But the ISPs are smarter today about that
labeling, and they've removed city identifiers.
Computers can have more than one "location service". You
can also get location service software designed for spoofing.
Developers use such services for testing their software
that accesses location services.
Paul
whatismyip.com ==> say it returns 37.23.17.122
and that will be your current WAN side IP value.
Then do in your Terminal window
nslookup 37.23.17.122
and see if the symbolic value has a city designation.
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 13:39:30 -0500, Retirednoguilt wrote:
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN
address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
There isn't a real easy answer, but your ISP is where it happens. I have a >wireless modem that supports WiFi connections. If I look at what is >connected, the computers, tablets, Fire TV, phone or whatever, I see the >devices have IPs like 192.168.1.90. That's the Fedora box so I can 'ssh >rbowman@fedora' to connect. (I've got the mapping in /etc/hosts).
The Novatel MiFi hotspot assigns those IPs for the LAN. IPs starting with >10, 172, and 192 are reserved for private networks. There's a little more
to it but that's the simple answer.
Now for the fun. WhatsMyIp.com returns returns the same address in the >browsers on the Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mint boxes. That's in a block of IP >addresses assigned to Verizon Business.
If I search for cat videos on the Ubuntu box the results do not get
returned to the Fedora box so there's a little more Network Address >Translation going on. That's not a rabbit hole you probably don't want to
go down.
Even better the 174.224.1.83 external address is volatile. It returned >174.215.19.58 a few minutes ago. Further more the IP location is Aurora
CO. I'm definitely not in Colorado.
On 12/18/2025 1:18 PM, Paul wrote:
The WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines.address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
For IPV4, your WAN address is all they see. 192.168.1.2 is not
route-able.
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN Some web site
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |------- 37.23.17.122 ----------------- It sees the WAN address
192.168.1.4 -- | | Reverse maps to
the wrong city
half of the time> Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my device. But, I don't know how wide is wide enough. All I know is that
I boot up my PC, my wireless adapter finds my modem/router's wifi signal
and connects to it. The modem/router is connected by cable to my ISP.
My field of study and career involved clinical medical practice and
medical research management. Thanks for trying to educate me in the nitty-gritty but it goes right over my head. Have mercy please!
Say I remove the IPV4 router and use the broadband modem directly
WAN
My PC NIC -- | ----- 21.73.14.115
Then I am connecteddirectly to the Internet. No IPV4 NAT protects me.
My assigned address is Public and route-able (as far as the ISP router is concerned).
ipconfig
it returns 21.73.14.115 instead. Now I get to see exactly, and without
using whatismyip.com , what my WAN address is right now. Not many
people run this way, not any more. I used to find some kooky individuals
who were doing that
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 12:09:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 12/18/2025 10:14 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate
OS setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the
specific location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see
where the system "thinks" where it is.
It's based on the IP address.
Adam, the IP of the end user's device, the IP of the router providing
the connection to the end user's device, or the IP of the ISP?
That's a good question. I use Verizon wireless and my IP address is determined by Carrier-grade NAT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
It varies but I've seen Denver or SLC as my 'location'. Targeted ads use
that location. For example if I search for something from Home Depot I'll
be directed to one in the Denver suburbs. Prime Video ads often feature
the Denver Mattress Warehouse or other businesses in that area. fwiw, I'm nowhere near Denver, although I'm in the same time zone.
I don't know what odd behavior I would see if the IP pool was in Seattle.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 09:24:58 -0500, Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS
setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific
location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
Isn't Micky Mouse's latest knickers-in-twist possibly the result of a accidental multi-key keyboard command?
"You may have hit the Shift key by accident while cutting text via
Ctrl+X. You can flip the bidi text direction from right-to-left to left-to-right with Shift+Ctrl+X."
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1066151
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my device.
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in
the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
Some stupid websites use Geolocation to determine the language
and ignore your browser's default language.
Maybe that't the case.
ciao..
Couldn't a geolocation error be overcome by going to the appropriate OS setting, turning off geolocation, and forcing the OS to use the specific location that the user can specify? Then reboot and see where the
system "thinks" where it is.
On 18.12.2025 15:24, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field, >>>>>> start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language?
No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it
went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
On 19.12.2025 15:01, Schugo wrote:
On 18.12.2025 15:24, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it >>>>> went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11 >>>>>>> and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language? >>>>>
OK, now I understand...
NOT THE OS LANGUAGE!
In Firefox (!) settings under General/Language.
The topmost language is the ONLY that counts
for a webserver. It doesn't know about your OS settings!
As I already pointed out up the thread.look what I found:On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Firefox: Set direction using the CTRL/CMD+SHIFT+X keyboard shortcut, which >cycles through LTR and RTL. This sets the value of the element's dir >attribute, which is then available to scripts.
On Thu, 12/18/2025 1:39 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:My summary note to myself: Don't ask simple questions about a
On 12/18/2025 1:18 PM, Paul wrote:
The WAN address is what the Internet sees for your three machines.address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
For IPV4, your WAN address is all they see. 192.168.1.2 is not
route-able.
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN Some web site
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |------- 37.23.17.122 ----------------- It sees the WAN address
192.168.1.4 -- | | Reverse maps to
the wrong city
half of the time> Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my
device. But, I don't know how wide is wide enough. All I know is that
I boot up my PC, my wireless adapter finds my modem/router's wifi signal
and connects to it. The modem/router is connected by cable to my ISP.
My field of study and career involved clinical medical practice and
medical research management. Thanks for trying to educate me in the
nitty-gritty but it goes right over my head. Have mercy please!
Retirednoguilt House
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN Some web site (it sends as 11.22.33.44)
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |----- 21.73.14.115 ------ It sees the WAN address
192.168.1.4 -- | | (ISP DHCP) \
LAN bell.ca \ \-- Transit Via Level3Corp
Paul House --- / to the Internet
\__ /
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN \-Some web site (it sends as 55.66.77.88)
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |----- 37.23.17.122 ------ It sees the WAN address
192.168.1.4 -- | | (ISP DHCP)
LAN rogers.ca
Every node has a unique address, to start with.
Everything on the WAN side is unique.
Notice how you and I have *duplicate* home network addresses.
The reason this does not hurt, is by default, I can't send
from my 192.168.1.2 to your LAN 192.168.1.4 . NAT translation
in the router, does not pass 192.168 to the WAN side.
The 192.168 packets are not "routed without some conversion steps".
That's how you and I can have duplication on the LAN. The LAN
address usage stays within the house and does not escape.
This conserves IP addresses. There aren't enough IPV4 addresses to
go around. Using NAT routers, I can have all sorts of toys inside
my house, but it does not "burn up" valuable WAN IP address values.
*******
When I'm in the house
192.168.1.2 -- | | WAN
192.168.1.3 -- | Router |----- 21.73.14.115
192.168.1.4 -- | |
LAN
if I do in a Terminal
ipconfig
it returns 192.168.1.2 . I only see my LAN address from the router.
********
Say I remove the IPV4 router and use the broadband modem directly
WAN
My PC NIC -- | ----- 21.73.14.115
Then I am connected *directly* to the Internet. No IPV4 NAT protects me.
My assigned address is Public and route-able (as far as the ISP router is concerned).
ipconfig
it returns 21.73.14.115 instead. Now I get to see exactly, and without
using whatismyip.com , what my WAN address is right now. Not many
people run this way, not any more. I used to find some kooky individuals
who were doing that, but then it means you can't (easily...) have three PCs in the
house sharing the same broadband service. Back in the WinXP era, if you did that direct to broadband modem and SASSER was running loose on the Internet, you
could be attacked in about 20 seconds or so. You would not install WinXP Gold disc
on a PC today, then immediately plug it into the broadband modem (no router in the path),
because of this. Your ISP might actually have a filter for this sort of thing.
You AV may intercept it. And if you install some WinXP patch, that might block it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasser_%28computer_worm%29
*******
Now, in the router-picture, Retirednoguilt has two Firefox web pages open. Let us send a query to each web server, and get one answer back from each. This might give us four packets total.
Retirednoguilt, two Firefox tabs:
Send 21.73.14.115 --> 11.22.33.44 "do you have index.html?"
(Receive incoming) 11.22.33.44 --> 21.73.14.115 "Yes, here you go."
Send 21.73.14.115 --> 55.66.77.88 "do you have saleitems.html?"
(Receive incoming) 55.66.77.88 --> 21.73.14.115 "Yes, here are the sale items."
If we do
whatismyip.com
it returns the "21.73.14.115" part of that picture. It tells us what my address
being used on the Internet side is. Web servers keep a log of visitors, and the log says
"Address 21.73.14.115 requested index.html" # The kind of info they keep
When I sent to the first web site, say it is www.cookies.com .
I can do this in a local Terminal session
nslookup www.cookies.com
"The DNS (domain name service) address of that is 11.22.33.44"
In that way, with two operations, I can discern my Internet sending IP
value and discern what Firefox used as the destination address for www.cookies.com .
That's just to give a very brief picture of how it can work.
*******
At least for IPV4, the router provides a degree of separation between
the LAN and the WAN side. There are only four billion IPV4 addresses,
not really enough to go around. They invented a newer scheme IPV6
to fix that (2^128 addresses), but I lack the knowledge to redo the
above diagram with IPV6 materials and tell you how that works :-)
Some of the concepts work as before, other concepts do not.
Since someone brought up CGNAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), if you and I used the same ISP, the ISP used CGNAT, this happens.
To the web sites, it looks like "one house with six PCs".
Instead of two distinguishable houses with three PCs each.
The ISP has their own router box, doing the translation to make
this possible. This is transparent to the usage at our end.
| | WAN
| Router |----- 21.73.14.115 ------
| | rogers.ca
CGNAT (can be confusing for some Internet features)
| | WAN
| Router |----- 21.73.14.115 ------
| | rogers.ca
That's intended to conserve addresses, but it may impact things
such as geolocation or figuring out whether the Denver Home Depot
should appear on my web page as the closed Home Depot to me.
Maybe I'm actually in Seattle, and the Home Depot is going to be
confused about me manually setting Seattle Home Depot in the web
page, when the packets (via their WAN IP) appear related to some
Denver ISP.
That does not come up too often, but occasionally when someone
describes a "brokenness", it is traceable to CGNAT usage. Some
traffic gets blocked, because "a lot of traffic is coming from
21.73.14.115 right now and we think you are attacking us".
My ISP (a reseller), has three million IPV4 addresses in a WAN pool, and
I can be assigned any one of those three million addresses via
Dynamic Host Control Protocol (DHCP) or similar, at the ISP building.
Maybe I turn off the router, reboot it, and a new WAN IP is
assigned to me. By using Firefox to whatismyip.com , I can see
what my new WAN IP is. I don't do this too often, because I don't
need to know that value, in order to use the Internet.
Paul
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:It does, tremendously. Thank you!
[...]
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN
address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
To keep things simple, the answer is "the ISP".
Your ISP assigns 'your' (probably temporary) IP address to the WAN
side of your router. So the outside world - i.e. in this case the
website - sees an IP address which is assigned to you by your ISP.
The spefic IP address will probably change over time, as it (probably)
is a dynamic IP address, but whatever the current IP address is, it will always be in the range of IP addresses which is assigned to your ISP.
As to the geolocating/geofencing issue, if I use whatismyipaddress.com,
it reports the city of my ISP, but not my city, which is probably some
60km from the ISP's city. But it correctly reports the country (The Netherlands), so a website could do geolocation or/and geofencing based
on that.
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my
device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area Network), so simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and the WAN is the
outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
Say I remove the IPV4 router and use the broadband modem directly
WAN
My PC NIC -- | ----- 21.73.14.115
Then I am connected *directly* to the Internet. No IPV4 NAT protects me.
My assigned address is Public and route-able (as far as the ISP router is concerned).
ipconfig
it returns 21.73.14.115 instead. Now I get to see exactly, and without
using whatismyip.com , what my WAN address is right now. Not many
people run this way, not any more. I used to find some kooky individuals
who were doing that, but then it means you can't (easily...) have three PCs in the
house sharing the same broadband service.
On 12/19/2025 8:40 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
[...]
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN >> address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
To keep things simple, the answer is "the ISP".
Your ISP assigns 'your' (probably temporary) IP address to the WAN
side of your router. So the outside world - i.e. in this case the
website - sees an IP address which is assigned to you by your ISP.
The spefic IP address will probably change over time, as it (probably)
is a dynamic IP address, but whatever the current IP address is, it will always be in the range of IP addresses which is assigned to your ISP.
As to the geolocating/geofencing issue, if I use whatismyipaddress.com, it reports the city of my ISP, but not my city, which is probably some
60km from the ISP's city. But it correctly reports the country (The Netherlands), so a website could do geolocation or/and geofencing based
on that.
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my >> device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area Network), so simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and the WAN is the
outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
It does, tremendously. Thank you!
On 12/19/2025 8:40 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:It does, tremendously. Thank you!
[...]
Paul, I'm an end user and your reply lost me. OK, given that "the WAN >>> address is what the Internet sees for your three machines", I'll modify
my question to: what controls what is seen as my WAN address, my
device, the router providing the connection to my device, or the ISP?
To keep things simple, the answer is "the ISP".
Your ISP assigns 'your' (probably temporary) IP address to the WAN
side of your router. So the outside world - i.e. in this case the
website - sees an IP address which is assigned to you by your ISP.
The spefic IP address will probably change over time, as it (probably)
is a dynamic IP address, but whatever the current IP address is, it will
always be in the range of IP addresses which is assigned to your ISP.
As to the geolocating/geofencing issue, if I use whatismyipaddress.com, >> it reports the city of my ISP, but not my city, which is probably some
60km from the ISP's city. But it correctly reports the country (The
Netherlands), so a website could do geolocation or/and geofencing based
on that.
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my >>> device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area Network), so
simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and the WAN is the
outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
Geolocation uses a large database on the server side which "knows"
for every IP address in which country it is hosted.
ciao...--
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:01:06 +0100, Schugo wrote:
[snip]
Geolocation uses a large database on the server side which "knows"
for every IP address in which country it is hosted.
I just checked 3 sites (Home Depot, Amazon, Google Maps) that use geolocation and they thought I was in 3 different cities (all about 20-30 miles from me, but in very different directions).
I just checked 3 sites (Home Depot, Amazon, Google Maps) that use
geolocation and they thought I was in 3 different cities (all about
20-30 miles from me, but in very different directions).
BTW, I also discovered that the nearest Radio Shack dealer is 88 miles
away.
As I've only interacted with the internet via programs (windows) or
apps (android) for many decades, everything that goes on in the
background to make the entire enterprise work is a complete black box.
I've been in (technical) customer support for most of my professional
life, where I often had to explain technical matters to non-techincal
people, who were often experts in *their* field of work, just like you
and me in this case. So bridging worlds has become somewhat of a second nature and apparently I've not (yet? ) lost my touch.
On 19 Dec 2025 20:55:56 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I just checked 3 sites (Home Depot, Amazon, Google Maps) that use
geolocation and they thought I was in 3 different cities (all about
20-30 miles from me, but in very different directions).
All three put me somewhere in Denver. That about 900 road miles, 700 as
the geese fly.
BTW, I also discovered that the nearest Radio Shack dealer is 88 miles
away.
I only get the main site with a 'find your store' dialog in Brave search.. There is one about 60 miles south. I should check it out the next time I'm down that way. There were three in town but they all closed. DuckDuckGo lists 3 in the Denver area.
I've been in (technical) customer support for most of my professional
life, where I often had to explain technical matters to non-techincal
people, who were often experts in *their* field of work, just like you
and me in this case. So bridging worlds has become somewhat of a second
nature and apparently I've not (yet? ) lost my touch.
That bridge is extremely important. Ask a geek and you get TMI. From all
our client sites there were only three or four people I interacted with directly. All the others went through support and I would only intervene
if support couldn't handle the problem.
It is apparently not the same as the old Radio Shack.
"AI Overview [guggle]
Yes, RadioShack still exists, but it's a completely different
business: the iconic electronics retailer went through bankruptcy and
now operates mostly online,
selling consumer gadgets and accessories, while a few
independently-run franchise stores (often hardware or phone shops)
still carry the name, though they're a shadow of the past. The
brand's IP was acquired, leading to a focus on e-commerce, crypto
ventures, and new products like headphones and drones,
not the hobbyist parts stores of old."
Paul
Yes, RadioShack still exists, but it's a completely different
business: the iconic electronics retailer went through bankruptcy and
now operates mostly online,
selling consumer gadgets and accessories, while a few
independently-run franchise stores (often hardware or phone shops)
still carry the name, though they're a shadow of the past. The
brand's IP was acquired, leading to a focus on e-commerce, crypto
ventures, and new products like headphones and drones,
not the hobbyist parts stores of old."
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 04:40:52 -0500, Paul wrote:
[snip]
It is apparently not the same as the old Radio Shack.
"AI Overview [guggle]
Yes, RadioShack still exists, but it's a completely different
business: the iconic electronics retailer went through bankruptcy
and now operates mostly online,
selling consumer gadgets and accessories, while a few
independently-run franchise stores (often hardware or phone shops)
still carry the name, though they're a shadow of the past. The
brand's IP was acquired, leading to a focus on e-commerce, crypto
ventures, and new products like headphones and drones,
not the hobbyist parts stores of old."
Paul
The old Radio Shack was very important to me in the seventies and
eighties.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 04:40:52 -0500, Paul wrote:OK, Grandpa.
[snip]
It is apparently not the same as the old Radio Shack.
"AI Overview [guggle]
Yes, RadioShack still exists, but it's a completely different
business: the iconic electronics retailer went through bankruptcy and
now operates mostly online,
selling consumer gadgets and accessories, while a few
independently-run franchise stores (often hardware or phone shops)
still carry the name, though they're a shadow of the past. The
brand's IP was acquired, leading to a focus on e-commerce, crypto
ventures, and new products like headphones and drones,
not the hobbyist parts stores of old."
Paul
The old Radio Shack was very important to me in the seventies and
eighties.
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my
device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area Network), so simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and the WAN is the
outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
On 20/12/2025 12:40 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
<Snip>
I assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's probably not my >> device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area Network), so simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and the WAN is the
outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
Splitting hairs, maybe, ..... but I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building, maybe .... and Internet
was the outside world!!
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 20/12/2025 12:40 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
<Snip>
Splitting hairs, maybe, ..... but I would have thought LAN wasI assume that since the W in WAN stands for "wide", it's
probably not my device.
WAN means Wide Area Network as opposed to LAN (Local Area
Network), so simply put, your LAN is your in-house network and
the WAN is the outside world.
I hope this helps.
[...]
with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building, maybe
.... and Internet was the outside world!!
Nope. For normal use, WAN is the outside world. 'The Internet' is
part of that world. What you're referring to would be a CAN, Campus
Area Network
"The textbook definition of a WAN is a computer network spanning
regions, countries, or even the world." [1]
For communication specialists, WAN can have a narrower meaning,
especially in the context of other *ANs, but for the context of this
thread (i.e. some website checking the IP address of the WAN side of
your router), WAN is the outside world.
BTW, what you're referring to would probably be a CAN, Campus Area
Network.
[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_area_network>
On 21/12/2025 10:23 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Splitting hairs, maybe, ..... but I would have thought LAN was
with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building, maybe
.... and Internet was the outside world!!
Nope. For normal use, WAN is the outside world. 'The Internet' is
part of that world. What you're referring to would be a CAN, Campus
Area Network
"The textbook definition of a WAN is a computer network spanning
regions, countries, or even the world." [1]
For communication specialists, WAN can have a narrower meaning,
especially in the context of other *ANs, but for the context of this thread (i.e. some website checking the IP address of the WAN side of
your router), WAN is the outside world.
BTW, what you're referring to would probably be a CAN, Campus Area Network.
[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_area_network>
Never heard of a 'CAN' .... at least in this context!
Splitting hairs, maybe, ..... but I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building, maybe .... and Internet
was the outside world!!
On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 21:35:17 +1100, Daniel70 wrote:
Splitting hairs, maybe, ..... but I would have thought LAN was with-in a
House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building, maybe .... and Internet
was the outside world!!
The Internet is a WAN but a WAN is not necessarily the Internet. Consider VPNs and leased lines if you want another rabbit hole to fall into. How a
T1 leased line works is enough to make my head hurt. Conceptually VPNs
are easier to understand. They're Russian dolls, packets within packets
with the outermost packet being publically routable between gateways that
can do the address translation.
I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a
(commercial) Building
Daniel70 wrote:
I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building
Within businesses, WAN usually refers to all their buildings (either worldwide, or within a country).
Andy Burns wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building
Within businesses, WAN usually refers to all their buildings (either worldwide, or within a country).
That's intranet.
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We had one at work.
On Mon, 12/22/2025 7:59 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building
Within businesses, WAN usually refers to all their buildings (either worldwide, or within a country).
That's intranet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet
We had one at work.
increasingly "SD-WAN"
Paul wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
I would have thought LAN was with-in a House, WAN was with-in a (commercial) Building
Within businesses, WAN usually refers to all their buildings (either worldwide, or within a country).
That's intranet.
I understand why you suggest that, but really over here the term used
in practice is "WAN" and increasingly "SD-WAN" where all the satellite
sites detect each other and automatically form hub/spoke or full-mesh VPNs between themselves
In common usage, "The intranet" more often refers to an internal IIS/sharepoint site, that a few years ago would have only been reachable
from the LAN/WAN, but now with cloud usage, is probably reachable from anywhere subject to multifactor authentication or geofencing ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet
On 19.12.2025 16:00, Schugo wrote:
On 19.12.2025 15:01, Schugo wrote:
On 18.12.2025 15:24, Retirednoguilt wrote:
On 12/17/2025 4:23 PM, Schugo wrote:
On 17.12.2025 22:18, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 15 Dec 2025 06:32:28 +0100, Schugo >>>>>> <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 15.12.2025 04:42, micky wrote:No, it's English. That's the Display Language. and ENG was showing in >>>>>> the taskbar, and spellcheck is in English throughout Windows. And it >>>>>> went away after an hour or less. Very strange, I think.
It's gone away already, so it's clearly not that important, but i win11
and Firefox, what would make my the text I type in the url/search field,
start at the right end of the search box? It's happened before, maybe >>>>>>>> in win10.
I have a right to left alphabet installed but the letters are
English/Latin.
Using Firefox and Windows 11. I don't know which is confused.
Have you set a RTL Language as default in Settings/General/Language? >>>>>>
OK, now I understand...
NOT THE OS LANGUAGE!
In Firefox (!) settings under General/Language.
The topmost language is the ONLY that counts
for a webserver. It doesn't know about your OS settings!
look what I found:
Firefox: Set direction using the CTRL/CMD+SHIFT+X keyboard shortcut, which >cycles through LTR and RTL. This sets the value of the element's dir >attribute, which is then available to scripts.
ciao...
ciao...
Background that might benefit those in the US and probably your country
too: Not when I first started this thread but in today's case, I was
trying to claim some unclaimed property. I did this years ago and
claimed everything that was listed, which was only from my mother
iirc. I know I looked my own name up at one time, and there was
nothing, but now there are 4 items!!!! Things continue to be reported,
after the business has them unclaimed for several years. You should
check your own name and the names of your parents, and maybe
grandparents, in the state*** you live in and other states you or they have >lived or invested in. ***Each American state has its own Unclaimed
Property office.
Besides money, they will keep the contents from unclaimed safe deposit
boxes.
One item for me is $0-100 at Brookstone. I might have bought something
from Brookstone once, or even twice, but if I did, I got it. I have no >recollection of paying them for something I didn't get, unless they
charged me when I didn't expect it, and then they held the money for me
for years. ??? Maybe when I see the amount it will ring a bell, but I
doubt it. The amount is the only additional information I will learn.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 15:01:06 +0100, Schugo wrote:
[snip]
Geolocation uses a large database on the server side which "knows"
for every IP address in which country it is hosted.
I just checked 3 sites (Home Depot, Amazon, Google Maps) that use >geolocation and they thought I was in 3 different cities (all about 20-30 >miles from me, but in very different directions).
BTW, I also discovered that the nearest Radio Shack dealer is 88 miles
away.
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On 20 Dec 2025 21:13:29 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 04:40:52 -0500, Paul wrote:
[snip]
It is apparently not the same as the old Radio Shack.
"AI Overview [guggle]
Yes, RadioShack still exists, but it's a completely different
business: the iconic electronics retailer went through bankruptcy
and now operates mostly online,
selling consumer gadgets and accessories, while a few
independently-run franchise stores (often hardware or phone shops)
still carry the name, though they're a shadow of the past. The
brand's IP was acquired, leading to a focus on e-commerce, crypto
ventures, and new products like headphones and drones,
not the hobbyist parts stores of old."
Paul
The old Radio Shack was very important to me in the seventies and
eighties.
Yes, it was. I would literally mail order stuff from Allied, Lafayette, or
other vendors but if you wanted something in less than a couple of weeks
it was RS or a trip to Les Couch's. He ran an operation out of his
basement. It was mostly mason jars filled with components he salvaged,
some labeled or some not. His salvage technique was unusual. Cook a
circuit board over the barbecue until the solder was melted, turn it over, >and whack it on a garbage can, then sort through the haul.
Wow. There was another store in Queens that sold brand new left-over
parts from TV assembly. Knobs, handles, fuses, battery holders,
resistors, 100's of things... things they bought, say, 1000 of and then
only made 860 tvs. Cost like 5 or 10 cents a piece. I bought lots of
stuff and never used most of it, but I more than got my money's worth.
He only sold to people in the trade. I saw him once reuse entry to
someone, but I had printed business cards for Clinton Electronics, which didn't exist, and it got me in. In the 70's they were $1 for 100. That worked so well I printed cards for Clinton Products and Services, which
I figured covers everything, but I never used them.
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