But for Kenny's question above, most of us use some form of free
image-hosting web site, where the one I use most asks for no login.
You can post the screen shot in: de.alt.dateien.misc
and in the text-only group just give the information
that you posted it there.
Windows contains secrets normally kept hidden under the floorboards.
Following on what Frank said, it turns out Windows creates "drive-specific current directory" environment variables which look funnily like this....
=C:
Each one stores the current working directory (cwd) for that drive.
Try this:
C:\> cd \Windows
C:\Windows> D:
D:\> cd \Games
D:\Games> C:
C:\Windows>
Notice how switching back to C: returns you to C:\Windows automatically? That's because Windows stored it in that =X: stuff.
They're maintained internally by the OS,
not by the shell
so you can't read them (echo %=C:%) or see them with set or even write to them.
Try these proof-of-concept examples:
C:\> cd \Windows
C:\Windows> echo %=C:%
C:\Windows
Switch drives:
C:\Windows> D:
D:\> echo %=C:%
C:\Windows
It stays the same until you change directories on C:.
Current working directory, to be precise.
Nope, thats something else.
No, it is,
but - as usual - you snipped the/your context.
"The %=C:% environment variable in Windows is a hidden, special
system-wide variable that stores the current working directory
for the C: drive.
See? "current working directory", like I said.
Its certainly not system-wide.
It probably was in the "legacy mechanism". Another part you
snipped.
See a pattern there!? :-(
Here are the key details about %=C:%:[snip]
That explains nothing about its usage.
It's usage is rather obvious from the snipped (Sigh!) example.
The others had no problems understanding it's usage, See for
example, but not only, Kenny's response.
The question still stands : What is the "=C:" environment variable used
for ?
Sigh!
To know the current working directory on the C: drive, when the
active working directory is on another drive.
As it's an environment variable, it can be used in other commands,
etc..
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
In article <10m5ujv$h4sl$3@dont-email.me>,People have been requesting screenshots - and in response, people have
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
...
But for Kenny's question above, most of us use some form of free
image-hosting web site, where the one I use most asks for no login.
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet.
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
On 2/7/2026 4:22 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:That may be the case for commercial usenet. For free usenet, few or no
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Good joke. The usenet is nearly completely binary only in these days.
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
People have been requesting screenshots - and in response, people have
been uploading them to file/image sharing sites, and posting the URL of
the uploaded file (thus remaining within "text-only" rules) - for years, decades I think.
On 2026/2/7 3:22:5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <10m5ujv$h4sl$3@dont-email.me>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
...
But for Kenny's question above, most of us use some form of free
image-hosting web site, where the one I use most asks for no login.
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet. >>
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
People have been requesting screenshots - and in response, people have
been uploading them to file/image sharing sites, and posting the URL of
the uploaded file (thus remaining within "text-only" rules) - for years, decades I think.
Good joke. The usenet is nearly completely binary only in these days.
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Good joke. The usenet is nearly completely binary only in these days.
https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-newsgroup-feed-size
Posting an image on USENET is never going to work well,
due to the max size of posted content.
And posting a series of chunks to build a file,
that's a bore.
But technology evolve. I think it all started when MIME was
created (in early 90s) and allow messages to be delivered in
full 8-bit glory instead of just 7-bit. [*]
UTF-8 encoded messages may be in 8-bit form instead of 7-bit
depending on the sender's usenet/email client application.
[*] Even though 8-bit form is possible, I'm not sure Null character
can be successfully sent.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 13:39:27 +0100, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
Good joke. The usenet is nearly completely binary only in these days.
Usenet message is based on email message standard, and email was intended
for text only. Initially.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Binary_content
But technology evolve. I think it all started when MIME was created (in
early 90s) and allow messages to be delivered in full 8-bit glory instead of just 7-bit. [*]
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
People have been requesting screenshots - and in response, people have
been uploading them to file/image sharing sites, and posting the URL of
the uploaded file (thus remaining within "text-only" rules) - for years,
decades I think.
And, I might add, since of the million things we should know about privacy, we only know about six of them, PNRU fingerprinting becomes unreliable once
*The camera 'can' uniquely be tracked across all three postings.*
As processing power and storage gets better and better, the more it will be that we're tracked by our own online activities, such as this screenshot.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xTDmWpt4/organization-phone-pc.jpg>
On Sat, 2/7/2026 3:03 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/2/7 3:22:5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
In article <10m5ujv$h4sl$3@dont-email.me>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
...
But for Kenny's question above, most of us use some form of free
image-hosting web site, where the one I use most asks for no login.
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet. >>>
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
People have been requesting screenshots - and in response, people have
been uploading them to file/image sharing sites, and posting the URL of
the uploaded file (thus remaining within "text-only" rules) - for years,
decades I think.
And the web sites hosting the materials, have been throwing
away content for a similar period of time. The dead
sites like imageshack and so on. PostImage did not
keep all its content. There's a generation of material
missing from there, too.
Posting an image on USENET is never going to work well,
due to the max size of posted content. And posting a series
of chunks to build a file, that's a bore.
Paul
In article <10m5ujv$h4sl$3@dont-email.me>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
...
But for Kenny's question above, most of us use some form of free
image-hosting web site, where the one I use most asks for no login.
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet.
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
--
"There are two things that are important in politics.
The first is money and I can't remember what the second one is."
- Mark Hanna -
qD:\work\SOURCE\2048>
JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2026 13:39:27 +0100, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
Good joke. The usenet is nearly completely binary only in these days.
Usenet message is based on email message standard, and email was intended
for text only. Initially.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Binary_content
But technology evolve. I think it all started when MIME was created (in
early 90s) and allow messages to be delivered in full 8-bit glory instead of >> just 7-bit. [*]
As others have mentioned, binary content on Usenet/NetNews precedes
MIME by quite a long time. At first, uuencode was used, which works for
a 7-bit data path.
For example the DOS binary of uudecode.com was transmitted as a *text*
file to overcome the Catch-22 problem of the recipient not (yet)
having uudecode.com needed to decode the uuencode-d binaries [1].
[...]
[1] The (59KB) 'CBIP Starter's Kit' posted to comp.binaries.ibm.pc
contained:
1) Instructions
2) Text source for UUDECODE
3) UNZIP, ZIP file extractor, in UUENCODE form
"All you need is a file editor."
"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they _aren't_ out to get
you" - but!
I think the vast majority of screenshots uploaded are actually screen _captures_, which obviously do not have the pixel-stains of a camera
shot. On the whole, the only time a camera is used is in discussion of
BIOS and similar screens (or, occasionally, where things happen too fast
- though you then probably need a video camera in order to be able to
get the image you want; even then, screen capture can be video).
So, yes, your privacy concern _can_ be valid - but only for a small
fraction of screen "shots".
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet.
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Well, sometimes this is easier for the discussion. I have met users who don't quite understand how to capture text directly in a Command Prompt window. Old-time DOS or terminal users surely know how.
And, the point is: Usenet*is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Paul,
Posting an image on USENET is never going to work well,
due to the max size of posted content.
And yet it has been working well for decades now - proven by the fact that >binary newsgroups are still thriving.
And posting a series of chunks to build a file,
And yes, thats exactly how its done. Which you no doubt already know.
that's a bore.
That's why you let a program/script do the uploading. And downloading, if >you are a leecher.
Taking a casual look just now, the biggest *single* post that I see is >2,796,888,255 KB, (about 2.8 TB!), so yeah, size limits aren't a real
thing.
Really? Someone posted an almost 3TB post on Usenet? What was it?
(not looking for a link to the post or anything like that, just curious
what it was - what could be that big?)
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Well, sometimes this is easier for the discussion. I have met users who
don't quite understand how to capture text directly in a Command Prompt
window. Old-time DOS or terminal users surely know how.
I've always been the best of the best in almost everything that I do.
Point being I must have posted, oh, I don't know, maybe thousands of screenshots over the decades to these newsgroups, where I think only the
best of the best (of the best) post screenshots to help explain things.
Kids that grow up in the era of GUI most likely don't understand console text, and the difference between graphical text and real text. Letting
them to take a screenshot is easier for them to ask for help.
You can always take the chance to teach them how to cut-and-text from a console window, that there is something called text in the old computing days.
In article <jb4lokd9i75r8hud0vvcau702llheeojr4@4ax.com>,
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
...
Taking a casual look just now, the biggest *single* post that I see is
2,796,888,255 KB, (about 2.8 TB!), so yeah, size limits aren't a real
thing.
Really? Someone posted an almost 3TB post on Usenet? What was it?
(not looking for a link to the post or anything like that, just curious
what it was - what could be that big?)
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Well, sometimes this is easier for the discussion. I have met users
who don't quite understand how to capture text directly in a Command
Prompt window. Old-time DOS or terminal users surely know how.
I've always been the best of the best in almost everything that I do.
Gee Whiz. Got tickets on yourself much, What's-your-name-this-year??
Windows Terminal supposedly fixes most of these issues. Dunno much about it though as I don't like it. I'm used to the old school. But it supports
normal click-and-drag selection, Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, proper Unicode
handling, and a modern text rendering engine. It behaves like a
contemporary terminal emulator instead of a historical artifact.
I'm old school. That's for the kids under about the age of 60. :)
In article <jb4lokd9i75r8hud0vvcau702llheeojr4@4ax.com>,
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
...
Taking a casual look just now, the biggest *single* post that I see is >>2,796,888,255 KB, (about 2.8 TB!), so yeah, size limits aren't a real >>thing.
Really? Someone posted an almost 3TB post on Usenet? What was it?
(not looking for a link to the post or anything like that, just curious
what it was - what could be that big?)
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 05:03:42 -0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:
In article <jb4lokd9i75r8hud0vvcau702llheeojr4@4ax.com>,
Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
...
Taking a casual look just now, the biggest *single* post that I see is
2,796,888,255 KB, (about 2.8 TB!), so yeah, size limits aren't a real
thing.
Really? Someone posted an almost 3TB post on Usenet? What was it?
(not looking for a link to the post or anything like that, just curious
what it was - what could be that big?)
The Subject is "Retrobat.Ultimate.Racing.Build", which means nothing to
me. I'm not going to download it to see. :)
On 2/7/2026 11:22 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet. >>
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Well, sometimes this is easier for the discussion. I have met users who >don't quite understand how to capture text directly in a Command Prompt >window. Old-time DOS or terminal users surely know how.
I am NOT trying to break any customs, rules nor netiquette (network >etiquette). :)
On Tue, 10 Feb 2026 00:55:40 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:Gosh that takes me back! IBM 3033 era.
On 2/7/2026 11:22 AM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
No worries; I have no desire to post any screenshots here.
I was just amused by the idea of someone requesting a screenshot on Usenet.
As Tim Walz would say, weird!
And, the point is: Usenet *is* a text-only medium, by definition and
decree, even if lots of people have abused it over the years.
Well, sometimes this is easier for the discussion. I have met users who >don't quite understand how to capture text directly in a Command Prompt >window. Old-time DOS or terminal users surely know how.
I am NOT trying to break any customs, rules nor netiquette (network >etiquette). :)
The South African archives made their indexing system (called STAIRS.
originally by IBM) available via the web. As it was a text-only
system, results were displayed as text, and could be copied as text,
which made it easy to copy elsewhere, as text.
Nevertheless many users would send graphical screenshots of the
output, which wasted bandwidth, as well as making it necessary to
retype whatever was on the screen if one wanted to use it.
----
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Nevertheless many users would send graphical screenshots of theI tried to attach a screenshot.jpg to a message in another newsgroup,
output, which wasted bandwidth, as well as making it necessary to
retype whatever was on the screen if one wanted to use it.
On 2/12/2026 12:00 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
Nevertheless many users would send graphical screenshots of the
output, which wasted bandwidth, as well as making it necessary to
retype whatever was on the screen if one wanted to use it.
I tried to attach a screenshot.jpg to a message in another newsgroup, but was rejected. In the end I had to use image-hosting. :)
I tried to attach a screenshot.jpg to a message in another newsgroup, but was rejected.
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
I tried to attach a screenshot.jpg to a message in another newsgroup, but
was rejected.
Herbert Kleebauer mentioned the newsgroup de.alt.dateien.misc (on news.eternal-september.org) for messages with attachments. I just tried it (I was curious) and it did accept my (18KB) test PNG.
Something for the next time ?
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
On 17/02/2026 2:35 am, R.Wieser wrote:
Herbert Kleebauer mentioned the newsgroup de.alt.dateien.misc (on
news.eternal-september.org) for messages with attachments. I just tried it >> (I was curious) and it did accept my (18KB) test PNG.
Yeah!! Sure! Polluting another newsgroup makes more sense than posting
your image to a Web-site that is made for that image hosting purpose
then just posting a link in the required newsgroup!!
On Mon, 2/16/2026 8:09 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:My screenshot was just 50K in side. Well.... it's still considered big
On 2/12/2026 12:00 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
Nevertheless many users would send graphical screenshots of the
output, which wasted bandwidth, as well as making it necessary to
retype whatever was on the screen if one wanted to use it.
I tried to attach a screenshot.jpg to a message in another newsgroup, but was rejected. In the end I had to use image-hosting. :)
By charter, some groups have MIME filters which prevent MIME messages
of any sort. An HTML message will not post. A MIME with image attachment
will not be accepted either. That's not an image filter as such -- the
image filter would be a tool that analyzes the body of the main message
and rejects the submission (on a non-MIME message where the image
is in-line).
Some read-only servers have stopped receiving messages,
which means they cannot be relied upon for completion.
Herbert Kleebauer mentioned the newsgroup de.alt.dateien.misc (on news.eternal-september.org) for messages with attachments. I just tried it (I was curious) and it did accept my (18KB) test PNG.
Something for the next time ?
Yeah!! Sure! Polluting another newsgroup makes more sense than posting
your image to a Web-site that is made for that image hosting
purpose then just posting a link in the required newsgroup!!
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image
by what, message-id? :)
On 2/17/2026 2:50 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/02/2026 2:35 am, R.Wieser wrote:
Herbert Kleebauer mentioned the newsgroup de.alt.dateien.misc (on
news.eternal-september.org) for messages with attachments.-a I just
tried it
(I was curious) and it did accept my (18KB) test PNG.
Yeah!! Sure! Polluting another newsgroup makes more sense than posting
your image to a Web-site that is made for that image hosting purpose
then just posting a link in the required newsgroup!!
-a-a-a de.alt.dateien.misc
Beschreibung
-a-a-a Nicht-Text-Dateien ohne eigene Gruppe.
Charta
-a-a-a Hierher geh||ren Bilder, T||ne, Programme und sonstige Nicht-
-a-a-a Text-Dateien, die nicht in die anderen de.alt.dateien-Gruppen
-a-a-a passen. Crosspostings zwischen dieser Gruppe und Gruppen
-a-a-a au|ferhalb von de.alt.dateien.* sind hier unerw|+nscht und k||nnen
-a-a-a gecancelt werden. Fremdcancels sind den |+blichen Konventionen
-a-a-a entsprechend durchzuf|+hren und zumindest in de.admin.net-
-a-a-a abuse.announce bekanntzugeben.
Google translation:
DescriptionMAY NOT be carried by E-S. I haven't checked) but is NOT an E-S group.
Non-text files without their own group.
Charter
This group includes images, sounds, programs, and other non-
text files that don't fit into the other de.alt.files groups.
Crossposting between this group and groups outside of
de.alt.files.* is not permitted and can be canceled.
Cancellations from other groups must be carried out according
to standard conventions and announced at least in de.admin.net- abuse.announce.
Fine, not a problem ..... but is that just a UseNet group (which MAY or
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion.
And uploading a file to another, completely unrelated server is better ? :-p
But yes, people would need to be aware that responding to the post with the attachment would do little good. Just like an uploader would need to be aware that file servers have their own rules and hurdles (cough, javascript, cough) for anyone wanting to take a peek at their upload.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image
by what, message-id? :)
Thats the same problem as with those image/file servers.
I could imagine prefixing the name of image with the subject of the thread its referred from. Perhaps with the posters name appended. Or even just the posters name.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Daniel70,
Yeah!! Sure! Polluting another newsgroup makes more sense than posting
your image to a Web-site that is made for that image hosting
purpose then just posting a link in the required newsgroup!!
Your blunt rejection would be *way* more impressive if you would have
checked that newsgroup out first.
And funny that you did not respond the same way to Herbert, when he
suggested that newsgroup to us.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
On 2/16/2026 11:35 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
Herbert Kleebauer mentioned the newsgroup de.alt.dateien.misc (on
news.eternal-september.org) for messages with attachments.-a I just
tried it
(I was curious) and it did accept my (18KB) test PNG.
Something for the next time ?
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of
discussion. You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to
see the image by what, message-id? :)
Sorry!! Which E-S NG should I have checked out first?? And I'm talking E-S NG NOT UseNet NG that are carried by E-S.
Sorry, I'm not on-line 24/7 .... and I think I just have replied similarly to Herbert.
Daniel70,
Sorry!! Which E-S NG should I have checked out first?? And I'm talking E-S >> NG NOT UseNet NG that are carried by E-S.
You have no idea ? Than what are you complaining about ?
Sorry, I'm not on-line 24/7 .... and I think I just have replied similarly >> to Herbert.
Than you should have known the newsgroup you are asking for in the above.
Kiddo, you're starting to loose trustworthyness points.
On 17/02/2026 5:51 pm, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
-a-a-a-a de.alt.dateien.misc
MAY NOT be carried by E-S. I haven't checked) but is NOT an E-S group.
On 17/02/2026 8:39 pm, R.Wieser wrote:
Daniel70,
Yeah!! Sure! Polluting another newsgroup makes more sense than posting
your image to a Web-site that is made for that image hosting
purpose then just posting a link in the required newsgroup!!
Your blunt rejection would be *way* more impressive if you would have
checked that newsgroup out first.
Sorry!! Which E-S NG should I have checked out first?? And I'm talking E-S NG NOT UseNet NG that are carried by E-S.
And funny that you did not respond the same way to Herbert, when he
suggested that newsgroup to us.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
Sorry, I'm not on-line 24/7 .... and I think I just have replied similarly to Herbert.
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:39 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/02/2026 5:51 pm, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
-a-a-a-a de.alt.dateien.misc
MAY NOT be carried by E-S. I haven't checked) but is NOT an E-S group.
Is carried by news.eternal-september.org/de.alt.dateien.misc .
I got a very nice picture of a keyboard.png there not two minutes ago :-)
Make sure to refresh your newsgroup list.
On 2026-02-17 16:19, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:39 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/02/2026 5:51 pm, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
-a-a-a-a de.alt.dateien.misc
MAY NOT be carried by E-S. I haven't checked) but is NOT an E-S group.
Is carried by news.eternal-september.org/de.alt.dateien.misc .
I got a very nice picture of a keyboard.png there not two minutes ago :-)
Make sure to refresh your newsgroup list.
My provider doesn't carry it.
Kiddo, you're starting to loose trustworthyness points.[]
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:01 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion. >>And uploading a file to another, completely unrelated server is better ? :-p
But yes, people would need to be aware that responding to the post with the >> attachment would do little good. Just like an uploader would need to be
aware that file servers have their own rules and hurdles (cough, javascript,
cough) for anyone wanting to take a peek at their upload.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image >>> by what, message-id? :)
Thats the same problem as with those image/file servers.
I could imagine prefixing the name of image with the subject of the thread >> its referred from. Perhaps with the posters name appended. Or even just
the posters name.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
Storage in "de.alt.dateien.misc" would only be as deep
as the retention on the server, so that could scroll off.
Posting a URL to an image-server item isn't difficult, but
you have to use a browser suited to the job. Some of the image-servers
expect to be running their Javascript on the web page, and the
web page may remain blank if the Javascript does not run.
And in the UK, at least one of the image-servers is blocked.
Paul
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:01 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion. >>And uploading a file to another, completely unrelated server is better ? :-p >>
But yes, people would need to be aware that responding to the post with the >> attachment would do little good. Just like an uploader would need to be
aware that file servers have their own rules and hurdles (cough, javascript,
cough) for anyone wanting to take a peek at their upload.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image >>> by what, message-id? :)
Thats the same problem as with those image/file servers.
I could imagine prefixing the name of image with the subject of the thread >> its referred from. Perhaps with the posters name appended. Or even just
the posters name.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
Kiddo, you're starting to loose trustworthyness points.
Aggressive, are they, these points?
John,
Kiddo, you're starting to loose trustworthyness points.
Aggressive, are they, these points?
Well, in a kind they are. :-) But I take it I used an "o" too much ? I seem to be unable to remember which one means what. :-(
Thanks for mentioning it.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser.
Aggressive, are they, these points?
Thanks for mentioning it.
I try to do it humorously.
How to remember which is which? Good question; I suppose think of loose
as related to the adjective - a loose thread, catch, etc. is something
that
might release or come undone;
therefore the verb loose (as in "loose the dogs on him!") is also to do
with releasing something, whereas lose meaning misplace isn't. Hope
that helps!
Or just general file-sharing site. (And, of course,
include in your newsgroup post - or email - the URL of
the uploaded file.)
Note that most such sites (fair enough, they've got to
pay for themselves somehow) surround the image being
shared with ad.s, and/or require you to log in, and so
on.
On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:43:40 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:01 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion. >>>And uploading a file to another, completely unrelated server is better ? :-p
But yes, people would need to be aware that responding to the post with the
attachment would do little good. Just like an uploader would need to be >>> aware that file servers have their own rules and hurdles (cough, javascript,
cough) for anyone wanting to take a peek at their upload.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image >>>> by what, message-id? :)
Thats the same problem as with those image/file servers.
I could imagine prefixing the name of image with the subject of the thread >>> its referred from. Perhaps with the posters name appended. Or even just
the posters name.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
I assume you mean natively.
On Tue, 2/17/2026 8:07 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:43:40 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2/17/2026 5:01 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang,
But that's a different newsgroup. Not a good idea in terms of discussion. >>>>And uploading a file to another, completely unrelated server is better ? :-p
But yes, people would need to be aware that responding to the post with the
attachment would do little good. Just like an uploader would need to be >>>> aware that file servers have their own rules and hurdles (cough, javascript,
cough) for anyone wanting to take a peek at their upload.
You also need a way to tell others to go that newsgroup to see the image >>>>> by what, message-id? :)
Thats the same problem as with those image/file servers.
I could imagine prefixing the name of image with the subject of the thread
its referred from. Perhaps with the posters name appended. Or even just
the posters name.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
I assume you mean natively.
Yes, a native method.
Betterbird Portable 140.7.1esr-bb18 (64-bit)
betterbirdlauncher "mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com"
Somehow, it knows which server out of six in my list to use.
On purpose, I "selected" a non-functional server, to try to confuse it,
and eventually it still opened a window on the server where the message exists.
Whether it is doing this, via searching all the Mork Summary Files .msf,
I don't know. It might mean, that one of the requirements would be for
the user to have all their server message lists up-to-date.
My first concern, was of the MID URI design. I figured it should
have the server name, followed by a MID string. But the above syntax worked.
It worked on that example.
I did NOT (so far), see a menu item added for this. It likely would work
with a MID buried in a message, so we should leave one here later for test. If this feature was working well, I should be able to click one of these
that looks sufficiently like a URI and a separate tab should open after
you actuate it.
<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
On Tue, 2/17/2026 8:07 PM, Char Jackson wrote:[...]
On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:43:40 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
I assume you mean natively.
Yes, a native method.
Betterbird Portable 140.7.1esr-bb18 (64-bit)
betterbirdlauncher "mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com"
Somehow, it knows which server out of six in my list to use.
On purpose, I "selected" a non-functional server, to try to confuse it,
and eventually it still opened a window on the server where the message exists.
Whether it is doing this, via searching all the Mork Summary Files .msf,
I don't know. It might mean, that one of the requirements would be for
the user to have all their server message lists up-to-date.
My first concern, was of the MID URI design. I figured it should
have the server name, followed by a MID string. But the above syntax worked.
It worked on that example.
I did NOT (so far), see a menu item added for this. It likely would work
with a MID buried in a message, so we should leave one here later for test. If this feature was working well, I should be able to click one of these
that looks sufficiently like a URI and a separate tab should open after
you actuate it.
<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
The 'news;' part is required, otherwise it's ambiguous, because it
also looks like an e-mail address.
It's defined in the schemes for URI, in whatever the correct RFC might
be these days. I.e. like 'http://' for a web URL, 'mailto:' for an
e-mail address, etc..
Some newsreaders try to do the right thing when the scheme part is
absent, but <news:<MID>> is the only correct way. We'll see if
Thunderbird et al understand it.
AND, there of course is still the issue that the newsreader must be--- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
able to actually fetch ('article'/'head'/'body'commands) the article/ headers/body. I.e. like an 'http://' URL might fail, so might a 'news:'
one, for all kinds of reasons.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 2/17/2026 8:07 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 17 Feb 2026 05:43:40 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >[...]
The M-ID would work, but only for M-ID enabled News Clients.
Betterbird or Thunderbird, may be about to gain this function.
I assume you mean natively.
Yes, a native method.
Betterbird Portable 140.7.1esr-bb18 (64-bit)
betterbirdlauncher "mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com"
Somehow, it knows which server out of six in my list to use.
On purpose, I "selected" a non-functional server, to try to confuse it,
and eventually it still opened a window on the server where the message exists.
Whether it is doing this, via searching all the Mork Summary Files .msf,
I don't know. It might mean, that one of the requirements would be for
the user to have all their server message lists up-to-date.
My first concern, was of the MID URI design. I figured it should
have the server name, followed by a MID string. But the above syntax worked.
It worked on that example.
I did NOT (so far), see a menu item added for this. It likely would work
with a MID buried in a message, so we should leave one here later for test. >> If this feature was working well, I should be able to click one of these
that looks sufficiently like a URI and a separate tab should open after
you actuate it.
<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
The 'news;' part is required, otherwise it's ambiguous, because it
also looks like an e-mail address.
It's defined in the schemes for URI, in whatever the correct RFC might
be these days. I.e. like 'http://' for a web URL, 'mailto:' for an
e-mail address, etc..
Some newsreaders try to do the right thing when the scheme part is
absent, but <news:<MID>> is the only correct way. We'll see if
Thunderbird et al understand it.
AND, there of course is still the issue that the newsreader must be
able to actually fetch ('article'/'head'/'body'commands) the article/ >headers/body. I.e. like an 'http://' URL might fail, so might a 'news:'
one, for all kinds of reasons.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
The 'news;' part is required, otherwise it's ambiguous, because it
also looks like an e-mail address.
It's defined in the schemes for URI, in whatever the correct RFC might
be these days. I.e. like 'http://' for a web URL, 'mailto:' for an
e-mail address, etc..
Some newsreaders try to do the right thing when the scheme part is
absent, but <news:<MID>> is the only correct way. We'll see if
Thunderbird et al understand it.
AND, there of course is still the issue that the newsreader must be
able to actually fetch ('article'/'head'/'body'commands) the article/ headers/body. I.e. like an 'http://' URL might fail, so might a 'news:'
one, for all kinds of reasons.
On 2026/2/18 18:38:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
With my Thunderbird (140.7.1esr (64-bit)), hovering over either of those (they do show in blue) shows them with "mailto:" prepended in the status line, and actually clicking on them opens an email window; presumably it noticed the @ sign and reacted accordingly, but ...<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
That one shows in the status line as news:///fl... (yes, three
slashes!); clicking it had no effect.
The 'news;' part is required, otherwise it's ambiguous, because it
also looks like an e-mail address.
It's defined in the schemes for URI, in whatever the correct RFC might
be these days. I.e. like 'http://' for a web URL, 'mailto:' for an
e-mail address, etc..
Some newsreaders try to do the right thing when the scheme part is
absent, but <news:<MID>> is the only correct way. We'll see if
Thunderbird et al understand it.
Not the (almost-)current one.
AND, there of course is still the issue that the newsreader must be
able to actually fetch ('article'/'head'/'body'commands) the article/
headers/body. I.e. like an 'http://' URL might fail, so might a 'news:'
one, for all kinds of reasons.
I'm not signed up with 4ax.com (I take it that's a news server); maybe
it would have if I was. (But it didn't give me any error or anything.)
Actually, I've just noticed that it not only converts news:fl into
news:...fl in my status line, but adds something like "downloading
messages to drafts" after the @4ax.com; I have to say "something like", because it has changed while I was typing this: what I _now_ see in the status line when I hover of it is "news:...fl...@4ax.com No messages to download". It does - including the <> - turn from blue to red briefly
while I'm actually clicking on it (i. e. while the mouse button is pressed).
On 2026/2/18 18:38:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
With my Thunderbird (140.7.1esr (64-bit)), hovering over either of those >(they do show in blue) shows them with "mailto:" prepended in the status >line, and actually clicking on them opens an email window; presumably it >noticed the @ sign and reacted accordingly, but ...<fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
mid:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com
And maybe one of those strings will work. We'll see.
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
That one shows in the status line as news:///fl... (yes, three
slashes!); clicking it had no effect.
I'm not signed up with 4ax.com (I take it that's a news server); maybe
it would have if I was. (But it didn't give me any error or anything.)
Did you test with a Nightly, as a check for forward-progress ?
I'm not familiar at all with running these, but this is the
quickest way to tell whether the MID mod got any traction.
You would be doing this for science <snicker>. A thing like this
should start with a private profile. The profile might even be
inside the launch folder, rather than being in AppData. When
I tested with the Betterbird Portable, that should be largely
similar to the operation of the Nightly. I would be testing
this in a VM, because I hate cleaning up a mess, and I just
shovel these VMs into the trash :-) The one I was using for
the Betterbird test, is already gone. When you do a build yourself
of Thunderbird, these days, with an HG (Mercurial pull), one of the
outputs would be one of these.
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/nightly/2026/02/2026-02-19-10-01-27-comm-central-l10n/
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/nightly/2026/02/2026-02-19-10-01-27-comm-central/
The method I observed being used in Betterbird is "technical"
but not "optimal", and it depends on how snooty the TB devs are
as to whether the idea would have any traction at all. The launch from command line, as a URI, that's the slow one, the while-running selection
of Mork Summary Files to scan, seems to be faster.
There might be a small amount of similarity, if someone were implementing
a crosspost-read feature. You could clumsily do it by keeping a lot
of group.msf files open, with a resulting larger-average RAM footprint.
The current devs will always be thinking in terms of scalability,
which many people here (with one exception) would not be testing
and commenting on. My subscription list is too short to notice
how slug-slow it would be with a thousand groups subscribed (but
not actively read). There's even a danger for people on smaller
machines, they might run out of RAM if they subscribed to a thousand
groups and a MID-launch was attempted.
There seemed to be some difference, in how Netscape Communicator treated multiple USENET servers, and perhaps how Thunderbird treated them. This
led to the <cough> bug we used to see, where it would triumphantly claim
"you cannot send to two servers at once", and how it used to cherry
pick group a.b.c from AIOE and d.e.f from E-S. There is something you
can type, into the newsgroup area to stop that (basically directing
the stupid thing to stop auto-selecting servers, then denying such
a function exists), but that was an issue for quite a while.
The USENET news component was re-written in javascript, and that was
the opportunity to change the internal architecture away from the
fractured thing it used to use.
Paul
On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 10:31:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
On 2026/2/18 18:38:54, Frank Slootweg wrote:
The format should be <news:<MID>>, i.e.
<news:fl3apkhbefiie5ivaljrb6n8f9nghclsf9@4ax.com>
That one shows in the status line as news:///fl... (yes, three
slashes!); clicking it had no effect.
That's expected because you apparently don't have the M-ID extension installed, which I linked to earlier in this thread.
I'm not signed up with 4ax.com (I take it that's a news server); maybe
it would have if I was. (But it didn't give me any error or anything.)
No, 4ax.com is the default domain that Forte Agent uses when it creates
a Message-ID. It's not a news server and you can't sign up in any way,
except to use Forte Agent as your newsreader.
On 2026/2/19 15:2:47, Paul wrote:
[]
Did you test with a Nightly, as a check for forward-progress ?
I'm not familiar at all with running these, but this is the
quickest way to tell whether the MID mod got any traction.
No, I'm on the ESR line - quite the opposite of nightlies!
On Fri, 2/20/2026 6:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/2/19 15:2:47, Paul wrote:
[]
Did you test with a Nightly, as a check for forward-progress ?
I'm not familiar at all with running these, but this is the
quickest way to tell whether the MID mod got any traction.
No, I'm on the ESR line - quite the opposite of nightlies!
<snip>
The Nightly does not appear to honour <news:a@b.c>
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xCS716xC/No-Native-MID-In-TB-Nightly-149.gif
I tried from the command line too, and it seems uninterested.
Looks like Thunderbird will need an AddOn or similar.
I don't know if it still works in Outlook Express (Rudy?).
Frank,
I don't know if it still works in Outlook Express (Rudy?).
Yes, it does. Both when clicking the news:// link inside a post, or when putting it into my webbrowser (FF 52) (which than handed it off to OE).
I also tried to put your posts message-ID (10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net) after the news:// protocol header, but although OE tried, it told me that it could not find the server (ID-201911.user.individual.net).
Frank,
I don't know if it still works in Outlook Express (Rudy?).
Yes, it does. Both when clicking the news:// link inside a post, or when putting it into my webbrowser (FF 52) (which than handed it off to OE).
I also tried to put your posts message-ID (10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net) after the news:// protocol header, but although OE tried, it told me that it could not find the server (ID-201911.user.individual.net).
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
On 2/20/2026 2:18 PM, R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,
I don't know if it still works in Outlook Express (Rudy?).
Yes, it does. Both when clicking the news:// link inside a post, or when >> putting it into my webbrowser (FF 52) (which than handed it off to OE).
I also tried to put your posts message-ID
(10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net) after the news:// protocol
header, but although OE tried, it told me that it could not find the server >> (ID-201911.user.individual.net).
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
The most logical conclusion, might be that
a@b.c <=== M-ID needs the b.c to resolve to a real email server
(email) Perhaps email does not allow fudging the b.c part ?
d@e.f <=== The M-ID on USENET News, all it needs to be, is "unique"
(News) from every other message.
The designers consider there is
no requirement for e.f to be real and suited to nslookup(e.f).
But on the minus side, from a context point of view,
if we allow this, we cannot "guess" which USENET account/server
this might have come from.
OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
wants to look at exactly one server, for d@e.f
and when nsloopup(e.f)
fails to work properly, it becomes wobbly.
Whereas for a USENET client,
they have the option of trying any USENET news account/server
to do a lookup of the d@e.f pseudo-identifier.
It only looks like an email
address, when it isn't exactly an email address (as the domain can be
fake or a vanity string).
Jeff Relf wrote his own USENET news client, and it definitely has a
"unique" string for messages like no other. The NNTP spec allows this.
You do not have to accept the INN "suggested" M-ID, you can use your
own, and that is what Jeff does.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 08:54:55 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 2/20/2026 6:54 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/2/19 15:2:47, Paul wrote:
[]
Did you test with a Nightly, as a check for forward-progress ?
I'm not familiar at all with running these, but this is the
quickest way to tell whether the MID mod got any traction.
No, I'm on the ESR line - quite the opposite of nightlies!
<snip>
The Nightly does not appear to honour <news:a@b.c>
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/xCS716xC/No-Native-MID-In-TB-Nightly-149.gif
I tried from the command line too, and it seems uninterested.
Looks like Thunderbird will need an AddOn or similar.
That was established the other day, when I posted links to the add-ons.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
[]OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
On 2026/2/20 23:0:4, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
[]OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
Mostly correct. However, on one setup I used (at work), it did: I think
it called the msimn.exe that was present. But - IIRR, it was well over a >decade ago, maybe two - it presented the news component as if it was
inside the Outlook hierarchy.
Thanks! Outlook Express rocks, but you already knew that! :-)
[snip]I also tried to put your posts message-ID
No, for a message-ID, the format is <news:MID> without the two
slashes, i.e. for my post:
<news:10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
With the slashes, it indeed expects a server.
As mentioned in an earlier post:
Bottom line;
<news:10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
should work and I expect it to work in good old Outlook Express.
On 2026/2/20 23:0:4, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
[]OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
Mostly correct. However, on one setup I used (at work), it did: I think
it called the msimn.exe that was present. But - IIRR, it was well over a decade ago, maybe two - it presented the news component as if it was
inside the Outlook hierarchy.
R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
Frank,
I don't know if it still works in Outlook Express (Rudy?).
Yes, it does. Both when clicking the news:// link inside a post, or when
putting it into my webbrowser (FF 52) (which than handed it off to OE).
Thanks! Outlook Express rocks, but you already knew that! :-)
I also tried to put your posts message-ID
(10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net) after the news:// protocol
header, but although OE tried, it told me that it could not find the server >> (ID-201911.user.individual.net).
No, for a message-ID, the format is <news:MID> without the two
slashes, i.e. for my post:
<news:10na0k5.jo0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
On 2/20/2026 6:57 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/2/20 23:0:4, Char Jackson wrote:It was not msimn.exe.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:[]
[]OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
Mostly correct. However, on one setup I used (at work), it did: I think
it called the msimn.exe that was present. But - IIRR, it was well over a
decade ago, maybe two - it presented the news component as if it was
inside the Outlook hierarchy.
Msimn was prior to Outlook Express and IE4, though Outlook Express(included with MSN Explorer 2.6 and with IE4 circa 1997) initial release for the most part was just a renaming msinm client as Outlook Express. Msimn(Internet Mail and News) was included in Win95 but not
later and originally could be used(as an email and news client) in
addition to Win95 Windows Messaging(mail only client, which was also a a rename or Windows Exchange[not to be confused with Exchange Server - and
the reason for the rename to Windows Messaging).
Outlook required Exchange Server(not available in commercial Win95-XP
o/s) for newsgroups.
The *news* connection you may be recalling in Outlook with Outlook
Express was quite simple.
Afaik, at one time an Outlook Express add-in was available but it only
was a call to open Outlook Express for 'news'.
The most common and dependable version was a 3rd party add-in called
MAPILab NNTP which provided a read/post news method within the main
Outlook application(effectively using Outlook Express code as the
vehicle to read/post).
On 2026/2/21 10:30:38, ...w-i|#-o-#-n|# wrote:
On 2/20/2026 6:57 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/2/20 23:0:4, Char Jackson wrote:It was not msimn.exe.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >>> [][]
OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
Mostly correct. However, on one setup I used (at work), it did: I think
it called the msimn.exe that was present. But - IIRR, it was well over a >>> decade ago, maybe two - it presented the news component as if it was
inside the Outlook hierarchy.
Msimn was prior to Outlook Express and IE4, though Outlook
Express(included with MSN Explorer 2.6 and with IE4 circa 1997) initial
release for the most part was just a renaming msinm client as Outlook
Express. Msimn(Internet Mail and News) was included in Win95 but not
later and originally could be used(as an email and news client) in
addition to Win95 Windows Messaging(mail only client, which was also a a
rename or Windows Exchange[not to be confused with Exchange Server - and
the reason for the rename to Windows Messaging).
Outlook required Exchange Server(not available in commercial Win95-XP
o/s) for newsgroups.
The *news* connection you may be recalling in Outlook with Outlook
Express was quite simple.
Afaik, at one time an Outlook Express add-in was available but it only
was a call to open Outlook Express for 'news'.
We had the full Outlook - calendar, all the rest, quite useful in a work environment. Until some point, we also had news access - it included
some internal newsgroups, and at least some external.
The most common and dependable version was a 3rd party add-in calledThat was the impression I got. I'd be surprised if the company I worked
MAPILab NNTP which provided a read/post news method within the main
Outlook application(effectively using Outlook Express code as the
vehicle to read/post).
for (anagram of messybeast) did things like that add-on, but maybe it
did; it obviously must have been running a newsserver, given the
in-house 'groups, so it may have.
On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 01:57:54 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> >wrote:
On 2026/2/20 23:0:4, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 17:00:46 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: >>[][]
OutlookOutlook Express. Outlook has no Usenet capability.
Mostly correct. However, on one setup I used (at work), it did: I think
it called the msimn.exe that was present. But - IIRR, it was well over a >>decade ago, maybe two - it presented the news component as if it was
inside the Outlook hierarchy.
I don't think that's right, but do you have a reference? I've never
heard of Outlook having a Usenet presence.
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before
I discovered Agent.
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before
I discovered Agent.
On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 19:01:34 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before
I discovered Agent.
Some people had a problem when you're replying and it would start with the cursor at the top, leading to top-posting. That one never bothered me,
since I knew to click before typing anything.
There was also a problem with multi-part binaries, although I don't
remember what.
I stopped using OE (and IE) around the time that Firefox was first called Firefox (version .8).
On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 19:01:34 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before
I discovered Agent.
Some people had a problem when you're replying and it would start with the cursor at the top, leading to top-posting. That one never bothered me,
since I knew to click before typing anything.
There was also a problem with multi-part binaries, although I don't
remember what.
I stopped using OE (and IE) around the time that Firefox was first called Firefox (version .8).
On 2026/2/22 19:12:35, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 19:01:34 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before >>> I discovered Agent.
Some people had a problem when you're replying and it would start with the >> cursor at the top, leading to top-posting. That one never bothered me,
since I knew to click before typing anything.
Some even suggested that was to encourage snipping/interposting, rather
than not doing any snipping and adding all of your response at the
bottom, which is (almost) as bad as top-posting.
This was rather countered, though, by it also putting the .sig, if you
had one, at the top.
OE-Quotefix mostly fixed it, though.
There was also a problem with multi-part binaries, although I don't
remember what.
Ditto (the not remembering part).
What was it called before that - Netscape plus or something? (I used to
I stopped using OE (and IE) around the time that Firefox was first called
Firefox (version .8).
use the Netscape Communicator suite - i. e. as well as a browser, it did email or news [or both, I don't remember]. Quite good, IIRR.)
On 2026/2/22 19:12:35, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 19:01:34 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before >> I discovered Agent.
Some people had a problem when you're replying and it would start with the cursor at the top, leading to top-posting. That one never bothered me, since I knew to click before typing anything.
Some even suggested that was to encourage snipping/interposting, rather
than not doing any snipping and adding all of your response at the
bottom, which is (almost) as bad as top-posting.
As to top- versus bottom-posting, the latter is worse, because you
have to page through all the quotes, to see if perhaps there's a bit of interposting.
[...]--
On 2026/2/22 19:12:35, Mark Lloyd wrote:[]
On Sun, 22 Feb 2026 19:01:34 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
[snip]
Outlook Express had news access. It wasn't that good, although I
couldn't tell you why at this distance. I used it for a few weeks before >> I discovered Agent.
Some people had a problem when you're replying and it would start with the cursor at the top, leading to top-posting. That one never bothered me, since I knew to click before typing anything.
Some even suggested that was to encourage snipping/interposting, rather
than not doing any snipping and adding all of your response at the
bottom, which is (almost) as bad as top-posting.
This was rather countered, though, by it also putting the .sig, if you
had one, at the top.
OE-Quotefix mostly fixed it, though.
There was also a problem with multi-part binaries, although I don't remember what.
Ditto (the not remembering part).
On 23 Feb 2026 10:49:40 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[snip]
As to top- versus bottom-posting, the latter is worse, because you
have to page through all the quotes, to see if perhaps there's a bit of interposting.
What I find worse, is neither of those. It's inadequate snipping.
[...]
On 23 Feb 2026 10:49:40 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[snip]
As to top- versus bottom-posting, the latter is worse, because you
have to page through all the quotes, to see if perhaps there's a bit of interposting.
What I find worse, is neither of those. It's inadequate snipping.
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