I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like postersYou can continue to use it, just no more updates and upgrades. Just like
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came
with that still works fine on Windows 11.
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came
with that still works fine on Windows 11.
On 8/1/2026 10:49 pm, Roger Mills wrote:
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came
with that still works fine on Windows 11.
BTW, I think Office 2000 and Office 2003 can still work in Windows 10.
But the fonts of the menu bar will become fine-print. :)
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters >with images.
On 8/1/2026 10:49 pm, Roger Mills wrote:
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came with that still works fine on Windows 11.
Same here. Sometimes 2010. :)
So you're using that new-fangled stuff!? :-) My main software (not
Office) is from 2003!
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 12:31:43 -0000, Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
I still miss Ventura Publisher.
On 08/01/2026 12:31, Jim the Geordie wrote:In what form did this "tell" come? A message apparently from Publisher
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
[]I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
I believe that Publisher is no longer included in the latest versions ofI have Office 2003; I've never actually used the Publisher part, but I
MS Office, but I can't see why a version which you already have should > suddenly stop working.
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came
with that still works fine on Windows 11.
On 8/1/2026 10:49 pm, Roger Mills wrote:
I'm still using Office 2007(!), and the version of Publisher which came
with that still works fine on Windows 11.
BTW, I think Office 2000 and Office 2003 can still work in Windows 10. > But the fonts of the menu bar will become fine-print. :)
Anyone here still using Harvard Graphics, Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect in DOS? :)
I use 2003 (in 10), and have no problem with the menus.
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
In what form did this "tell" come? A message apparently from Publisher itself, something you've read somewhere, or what? It would be
informative to hear exactly how and what was said.
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
I use 2003 (in 10), and have no problem with the menus.
BTW, I think Office 2000 and Office 2003 can still work in Windows 10.
But the fonts of the menu bar will become fine-print. :)
Until - and that was only last year - I had to switch to 64-bit, I was
still using Xtree Gold's editor (I think it was called 1word) for my
quotes file. (Would still, but they won't work under OTVDM.)
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
Microsoft sent you an e-mail? Not typical of Microsoft, but typical of scammers pretending to be Microsoft. How were you informed that
Publisher(*) "will no longer work"?
(*) You mention Office 2010 and 2021, but not which editions of each.
The edition dictates what components are included, and Publisher
is not in all editions of Office.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
Support is ending. The the product does not self-destructs. "No longer supported" is not the same as "no longer work". After all, you mention you're still using Windows 10, but that didn't self-destruct, either.
Office 2010 support got dropped back in October 2020. 5 years ago.
Windows 10 support got dropped October 2025 unless you enrolled in ESU (Extended Support Updates) which ends in October 2026.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/end-of-support-for-office-2010-3a3e45de-51ac-4944-b2ba-c2e415432789
You mention 2 versions of Office, but that doesn't mean you got
Publisher in whatever edition of Office 2021 you got.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2021It would seem I have the Professional version. I would not have
Office 2021
Home & Student: Core applications: Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and
OneNote.
Home & Business: Core applications and Outlook.
Professional: Core applications, and Outlook, Publisher, and
Access.
Professional Plus: Core applications, and Outlook, Publisher, Access,
and Teams.
AFAIK Publisher will continue to work, it will just not be developed
anymore and there will obviously be no more updates.
An alternative is Affinity, https://www.affinity.studio/ totally free.
It was formerly Serif PagePlus then Affinity Publisher, now it is an
all in one publishing/design/photo product.
On 08/01/2026 12:31, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
I have genuine copies of Office 2010 and 2021.
Does this mean that I will not be able to use these on my Windows 10
even when not connected to the web?
If this is true what are the alternatives?
Obviously I have Powerpoint installed, but I have never used it. Is that
an alternatve and if so is it as easy to use as Publisher?
I am an old dog, so new tricks come hard. :)
If you have to change, & I don't think that you do, Scribus is free &
open source
-a- http://www.scribus.net
On 9/1/2026 2:23 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I use 2003 (in 10), and have no problem with the menus.
BTW, I think Office 2000 and Office 2003 can still work in Windows 10.
But the fonts of the menu bar will become fine-print. :)
You still got good eyes, young(?) fellow! I now need to wear old-man
glasses to see fine-print when going to banks. :)
On 9/1/2026 2:27 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Until - and that was only last year - I had to switch to 64-bit, I was
still using Xtree Gold's editor (I think it was called 1word) for my
quotes file. (Would still, but they won't work under OTVDM.)
If you don't mind CONSTANTLY transfering files between old and new
worlds, you can keep using Xtree in whatever legacy OSs. It's time-consuming though.
BUT, version control websites like GitHub might help. ;)
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters >>> with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>> year (2026).
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist
was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned)
after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be
unable to use' rather than 'Will no longer be supported', because as a
user if Windows 10, that later phrase would not have bothered me and I
would not have asked the question.
Office 2021It would seem I have the Professional version. I would not have
Home & Student: Core applications: Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and
OneNote.
Home & Business: Core applications and Outlook.
Professional: Core applications, and Outlook, Publisher, and
Access.
Professional Plus: Core applications, and Outlook, Publisher, Access,
and Teams.
downloaded it without Publisher. I don't recollect having Teams.
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters >>>> with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist
was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned)
after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be
That sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters >>>>> with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned)
after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be
That sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned)
after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be
That sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
In article <10jrbtl$2h7ue$1@dont-email.me>, nospam@needed.invalid
says...
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a redThat sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned) >>>> after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be >>>
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference
and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files
easier (and open and save files while offline)
FWIW I had a brief look at Affinity and Scribus. Scribus seems to be
much nearer to Publisher. Since I am very familiar with Publisher, I
shall stick with it; until I can't.
On Fri, 1/9/2026 2:06 PM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <10jrbtl$2h7ue$1@dont-email.me>, nospam@needed.invalid
says...
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red >>>> box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned) >>>> after October 2026. There was no reason given and the messageThat sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be >>>
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files easier (and open and save files while offline)
FWIW I had a brief look at Affinity and Scribus. Scribus seems to be
much nearer to Publisher. Since I am very familiar with Publisher, I
shall stick with it; until I can't.
Depending on whether the alternative offerings are freeware or paid
products, you should consider acquiring a copy of the free one...
in case it disappears at a later date.
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference
and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files
easier (and open and save files while offline)
Depending on whether the alternative offerings are freeware or paid
products, you should consider acquiring a copy of the free one...
in case it disappears at a later date.
Scribus is supposed to be a lot more complicated, and may not be
everyones cup of tea.
In some cases, when companies have dropped out of a market, wonderful
pieces of software were made available just for the downloading,
and today... only archive.org has a copy :-) (And that's not via an
official request to archive it, it's the elves who hang around
archive.org, who "upload stuff" who do things like that.)
The instructions Microsoft offers for "translating" the works, are just
silly. The Print To PDF which comes standard with the OS, only
offers Letter and Tabloid, and is not nearly rich enough to prepare
media for all printing devices (like the 36" wide inkjet we had at work).
The largest media we could make at work, was 10 feet by 10 feet,
and typically it was run at 6 feet by 6 feet (so a plot could
hang in a hallway for random people to analyze as they walked by).
I've worked a couple places, that had the same machine. That machine
is dangerous, as the print head is a chunk of metal, with considerable
acceleration, and we were warned "stick your hand in there, it'll break
the bones in your hand". Which seemed fair enough as a warning. No
guard rails to keep you from doing that.
I used to keep a driver here for making large media, but I don't think
that would work any more on W10/W11, so my options here for large scale
plots are pretty limited. The more modern drivers, resort to using an
image instead of a vector representation, meaning that large format PDF cannot be repurposed (as part of a workflow). I like my artworks to be digestible by other tools, later. Dead end artworks are dead end.
When the WinXP machined died, I lost a lot of weird options for doing
stuff. The replacements just aren't the same.
Paul
On 2026/1/9 19:49:52, Paul wrote:
The largest media we could make at work, was 10 feet by 10 feet,
and typically it was run at 6 feet by 6 feet (so a plot could
hang in a hallway for random people to analyze as they walked by).
I've worked a couple places, that had the same machine. That machine
is dangerous, as the print head is a chunk of metal, with considerable
Inkjet is it?
acceleration, and we were warned "stick your hand in there, it'll break
the bones in your hand". Which seemed fair enough as a warning. No
guard rails to keep you from doing that.
On 2026/1/9 19:49:52, Paul wrote:[...]
silly. The Print To PDF which comes standard with the OS, only
offers Letter and Tabloid, and is not nearly rich enough to prepare
media for all printing devices (like the 36" wide inkjet we had at work).
Oh, that's standard with the OS, is it? I'd sort of assumed it came with (some versions of) Office. I have continued using pdf995, since that's
what I've been using since the year dot - mainly with my genealogy
software, Brother's Keeper (John Steed, BK's author, also uses pdf995).
But - for that one particular file - I'd developed "muscle memory" for
the editor. Also, its file size limit - somewhat below 64K - encouraged
me to keep the quotes file fresh, as I'd reached the limit, so had to
delete something to add anything.
On 9/1/2026 10:17 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
But - for that one particular file - I'd developed "muscle memory" for>> the editor. Also, its file size limit - somewhat below 64K - encouraged
me to keep the quotes file fresh, as I'd reached the limit, so had to
delete something to add anything.
""muscle memory"??? Maybe your brain might have been cursed!! :)
On 2026/1/10 12:11:52, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 9/1/2026 10:17 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:I'm guessing from your name that you may not be a native speaker and
But - for that one particular file - I'd developed "muscle memory" for
the editor. Also, its file size limit - somewhat below 64K - encouraged
me to keep the quotes file fresh, as I'd reached the limit, so had to
delete something to add anything.
""muscle memory"??? Maybe your brain might have been cursed!! :)
thus not familiar with the expression: it means something you are so
familiar with that you repeat the actions without thinking about them.
In article <10jrbtl$2h7ue$1@dont-email.me>, nospam@needed.invalid
says...
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters >>>>>> with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red
box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned) >>>> after October 2026. There was no reason given and the message
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be
That sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference
and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files
easier (and open and save files while offline)
FWIW I had a brief look at Affinity and Scribus. Scribus seems to be
much nearer to Publisher. Since I am very familiar with Publisher, I
shall stick with it; until I can't.
Jim the Geordie wrote on 1/9/2026 12:06 PM:
In article <10jrbtl$2h7ue$1@dont-email.me>, nospam@needed.invalid
says...
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this >>>>>>> year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red >>>>> box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>>>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned) >>>>> after October 2026. There was no reason given and the messageThat sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be >>>>
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference
and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only
difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files
easier (and open and save files while offline)
FWIW I had a brief look at Affinity and Scribus. Scribus seems to be
much nearer to Publisher. Since I am very familiar with Publisher, I
shall stick with it; until I can't.
As Paul noted, it's possible perpetual versions(unlike subscription e.g. M365 versions) would still work...it's already known that perpetual
versions will continue to function/work after Oct. 2026 per Microsoft documentation.
cf. Microsoft Publisher will no longer be supported after October 2026 <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7>
Scroll down, click on FAQ.
- you'll find MSFT's official notice regarding perpetual version
continued functionality [copied and quoted below, I've added asterisks
for emphasis in the quoted content]
Can I still install Publisher after October 2026? If you have a Microsoft 365 subscription, Microsoft Publisher will no longer be available for installation or download after October 2026.
****However, if you have the Perpetual version of Publisher, although support will end, you will still be able to install and use the app
beyond this date.****
What happens to my existing Publisher files after the end of support? If
you have a Microsoft 365 subscription, you will no longer be able to open
or edit your Publisher files using Microsoft Publisher. It is recommended
to convert your existing files to PDF or Word format before this date.
****If you have the Perpetual version of Publisher, you will still be
able to access and edit your files.****
I'm guessing from your name that you may not be a native speaker and
thus not familiar with the expression: it means something you are so
familiar with that you repeat the actions without thinking about them.
I started with computers in the 1960s, so I used "vi" (maybe even 'ed' in
the very beginning) and have been using gVim for decades on Windows where your fingers DEFINITELY have muscle memory.
I can do things with the editor that I can't remember how it do them.
But my fingers know it automatically.
An example though, even for non-gVIM users, is the QWERTY keyboard.
If you took typing those days like I did, then you learned on those heavy green IBM Selectrics with the rotating ball and your fingers know where all the keys are, but if you asked me where any one key is, I wouldn't be able
to tell you.
That's muscle memory!
On 10/1/2026 11:04 pm, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I'm guessing from your name that you may not be a native speaker and
thus not familiar with the expression: it means something you are so
familiar with that you repeat the actions without thinking about them.
Then it's just memory! There is no need to attach the word "muscle"!
Why didn't you call it "action memory" or "finger memory"? Why the word "muscle"??? :)
"...w-i|#-o-#-n|# " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim the Geordie wrote on 1/9/2026 12:06 PM:
In article <10jrbtl$2h7ue$1@dont-email.me>, nospam@needed.invalid
says...
On Fri, 1/9/2026 9:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2026/1/9 11:23:55, Jim the Geordie wrote:
In article <6znfywltn2sm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...
Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> wrote:
I have used Microsoft Publisher 'for ever' to produce items like posters
with images.
M$ tell me that Publisher will no longer work after sometime later this
year (2026).
[]
In fact, when I opened Publisher, for the first time in months a red >>>>>> box, with white text, appeared at the top right of the screen. The gist >>>>>> was that I *would not be able to use* Publisher (no version mentioned) >>>>>> after October 2026. There was no reason given and the messageThat sounds very odd! Particularly it not appearing again.
disappeared and did not appear again, either during that use of
Publisher or when opened later. I am pretty sure that it said 'Will be >>>>>
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7
"Microsoft 365 subscribers will no longer be able to open or edit Publisher files in Publisher"
It's possible other perpetual (bought) versions would still work,
as that article looks like it is about the [modern] version.
Paul
Thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I was not aware of the difference
and glad now that paid for my versions when I did, although the only
difference I have noticed is the saving to OneDrive that occurs in
v2021. As a consequence I find I prefer v2010 so I can find my files
easier (and open and save files while offline)
FWIW I had a brief look at Affinity and Scribus. Scribus seems to be
much nearer to Publisher. Since I am very familiar with Publisher, I
shall stick with it; until I can't.
As Paul noted, it's possible perpetual versions(unlike subscription e.g.
M365 versions) would still work...it's already known that perpetual
versions will continue to function/work after Oct. 2026 per Microsoft
documentation.
cf. Microsoft Publisher will no longer be supported after October 2026
<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/microsoft-publisher-will-no-longer-be-supported-after-october-2026-ee6302a2-4bc7-4841-babf-8e9be3acbfd7>
Scroll down, click on FAQ.
- you'll find MSFT's official notice regarding perpetual version
continued functionality [copied and quoted below, I've added asterisks
for emphasis in the quoted content]
<qp>
Can I still install Publisher after October 2026? If you have a Microsoft
365 subscription, Microsoft Publisher will no longer be available for
installation or download after October 2026.
****However, if you have the Perpetual version of Publisher, although
support will end, you will still be able to install and use the app
beyond this date.****
What happens to my existing Publisher files after the end of support? If
you have a Microsoft 365 subscription, you will no longer be able to open
or edit your Publisher files using Microsoft Publisher. It is recommended
to convert your existing files to PDF or Word format before this date.
****If you have the Perpetual version of Publisher, you will still be
able to access and edit your files.****
Rental software that self-destructs to cripple to worse than the
perpetual versions. Just wonderful. Of course, Microsoft doesn't have
to support the expired perpetual versions, either.
Because it can be done without conscious thought.
....
There is an article in English Wikipedia for "muscle memory",
which names the various brain centers.
On 11/1/2026 2:42 pm, Paul wrote:
Because it can be done without conscious thought.
....
There is an article in English Wikipedia for "muscle memory",
which names the various brain centers.
I knew the origin of the phrase. But... one should be more specific.
There are many sets of muscles according to human anatomy. ;)
VanguardLH wrote on 1/10/2026 2:04 PM:
Rental software that self-destructs to cripple to worse than the
perpetual versions. Just wonderful. Of course, Microsoft doesn't haveThe subscription software removal was previously covered earlier in this thread.
to support the expired perpetual versions, either.
Support(updates program/security to the perpetual version follow EOL
support life-cycle guidelines - 2016/2019 ended Oct 2025, 2021 ends Oct
2026 - 5 yrs support for perpetual versions).
The only significance with respect to the Op's query is that Publisher
won't be removed from perpetual versions and remains functional when the perpetual version is licensed/activated(requires MSFT account) and installed.
If you took typing those days like I did, then you learned on those heavy
green IBM Selectrics with the rotating ball and your fingers know where all >> the keys are, but if you asked me where any one key is, I wouldn't be able >> to tell you.
That's muscle memory!
Then it's just memory! There is no need to attach the word "muscle"!
Why didn't you call it "action memory" or "finger memory"? Why the word "muscle"??? :)
I can easily type 80 words per minute with my "finger memory" right?
So can others on this newsgroup most likely, and probably much faster.
But if you asked me where every key is, I'd never be able to tell you.
What kind of "memory" would you call it then where the fingers always know EXACTLY where to find every single letter, but not the full thinking brain?
(Including one which, despite much popular literature, doesn't actually contain any!) One can be _too_ specific. I used the phrase "muscle
memory" as it's widely understood - particularly in the context of using
old software; had I just said "memory", it would not have conveyed what
I meant.
2021 default save location is C:\Users\JimTheGeordie\OneDrive\Documents
but you can change that and save it anywhere you wish. I don't save
most things to OneDrive.
On 10/1/2026 5:31 am, sticks wrote:
2021 default save location is C:\Users\JimTheGeordie\OneDrive\Documents but you can change that and save it anywhere you wish. I don't save
most things to OneDrive.
I don't save anything in recommended folders of Windows (e.g. C:\users). :)
Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:Oh, they've started _defaulting_ to there, have they? I'm not surprised
On 10/1/2026 5:31 am, sticks wrote:
2021 default save location is C:\Users\JimTheGeordie\OneDrive\Documents >>> but you can change that and save it anywhere you wish. I don't save
most things to OneDrive.
to have such things preset for me (and it's where black hats will look
I don't save anything in recommended folders of Windows (e.g. C:\users). :) Nor do I - partly because of the above, and partly because I don't like
Doesn't matter. Everything can always find anything! :-)Agreed - one of the most useful utilities ever released! (And free!) I
BTW, my main folder######directory is \home\franks. Guess why *that*Well, you've always been very Frank with us ... :-)
is!?
On 10/1/2026 5:31 am, sticks wrote:
2021 default save location is-a C:\Users\JimTheGeordie\OneDrive\Documents
but you can change that and save it anywhere you wish.-a I don't save
most things to OneDrive.
I don't save anything in recommended folders of Windows (e.g. C:\users). :)
On 2026/1/11 16:32:1, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
BTW, my main folder######directory is \home\franks. Guess why *that*
is!?
Well, you've always been very Frank with us ... :-)
On 2026/1/11 8:38:42, ...w-i|#-o-#-n|# wrote:
For older versions, don't even require such an account. (I think, for
The only significance with respect to the Op's query is that Publisher
won't be removed from perpetual versions and remains functional when the
perpetual version is licensed/activated(requires MSFT account) and installed.
Office, 2003 or 2007 was the last one that didn't require online
activation; not sure when the need for an actual account came in.)
Anyway, good memory is just good memory! :)
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Anyway, good memory is just good memory! :)
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
:)
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Anyway, good memory is just good memory! :)
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
Doesn't matter. Everything can always find anything! :-)
BTW, my main folder######directory is \home\franks. Guess why *that*
is!?
The point I was trying to make was that Jim was using an older version because the default was to a onedrive folder. Every program has to have
an initial save to location, and Word 2021 does so too. But, like most programs that save to location is easily adjusted to the user preference.
The point I was trying to make was that Jim was using an older version because the default was to a onedrive folder. Every program has to
have an initial save to location, and Word 2021 does so too. But,
like most programs that save to location is easily adjusted to the
user preference.
sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that Jim was using an older version
because the default was to a onedrive folder. Every program has to
have an initial save to location, and Word 2021 does so too. But,
like most programs that save to location is easily adjusted to the
user preference.
I ran into programs that had a fixed save location, and no option to
change. Sometimes their fixed path was in a config file, or in the
registry, so you edited the config file or registry. Sometimes their
code expected a fixed location (no config file or registry entry) for
which the workaround was to use a junction.
All those old "My Documents", "My Videos", "My Pictures", and so on
still exist, but as junctions. Microsoft wanted to change the paths of
many common folders (not sure it was just to eliminate spaces), but
doing so would break many programs, so they used junctions. Windows is
rife with junctions. Microsoft even defined junctions that point to
folders that don't exist.
Then came OneDrive that changed locations again. Instead of going to:
c:\users\<acct>\[My ]Documents
you now go to
c:\users\<acct>\OneDrive\Documents
OneDrive changed some common user paths, like Documents moved to %onedrive%\Documents. Same for the Pictures, but not for Videos.
Programs really shouldn't be using fixed locations for default paths for common user folders, like Documents. They should get the paths defined
in the registry under:
HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders
You'll see there how OneDrive putzed with paths. Instead of using:
%userprofile%\Documents
the path for "Personal" got changed to:
c:\users\<acct>\OneDrive\Documents
I never tried using junctions inside %userprofile%\OneDrive to fool
programs into trying to go there, but get redirected elsewhere. Neither
has Microsoft, so maybe there's a gotcha in having junctions inside the OneDrive folder pointing elsewhere.
You could use an option inside a program to change save location, if it
has the option. If not, edit a config file, edit the registry for the program's entries on save location, edit the user shell folders in the registry, or use junctions. All of which are beyond typical users.
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good >> memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
:)
Surely you jest.
We're in shortage now, for RAM and NAND flash, as far
as consumer purchasing goes. By August this year, you should
see a pretty significant price increase, plus the computers
will have "weird configurations" inside them (older processors).
OOBE\BYPASSNRO
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good >> memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
Per Paul said, everything is a bit expensive now.
Paul wrote:
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good >>> memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
:)
Surely you jest.
We're in shortage now, for RAM and NAND flash, as far
as consumer purchasing goes. By August this year, you should
see a pretty significant price increase, plus the computers
will have "weird configurations" inside them (older processors).
Well, I wasn't jesting, but I am aware there may be price upticks.
This is what I bought for the kid for around $1500 (rebates vary).
<https://www.costco.com/p/-/omen-16l-gaming-desktop-pc-intel-core-ultra-7-265f-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-32gb-memory-1tb-ssd-windows-11-home/4000406617>
OMEN 16L Gaming Desktop PC
Intel Core Ultra 7 265F, 20 cores, up to 5.3 GHz boost,
32GB DDR5 RAM (2x16GB)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti, 16GB GDDR7 dedicated memory
32GB Memory (16GB GDDR7)
1TB NVMe SSD
Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4
OMEN AI performance tuning, RGB control via OMEN Light Studio (WTF is
this?)
Compact 16-liter chassis, which is basically not expandable)
Windows 11 Home
Costco Item 1950087 $1,499.99
Given you mentioned weird configs are in our near future, I checked and the Intel Core Ultra 7 265F debuted in January 2025, and the NVIDIA RTX 5060 Ti launched in April 2025. These are first-generation Arrow Lake (Intel) and Blackwell (NVIDIA) components, so they're pretty new as such things go.
The kid runs msi afterburner and he says the CPU gets a bit hotter than the GPU does, which, I don't know gaming, may be how such things go 'cuz the
CPU is smaller and probably has less heat sink, but I'm not opening the
case as it's only the size of a boot box (it's only a 16 liter size).
We can happily report that we definitely were able to NOT create an MSA for Windows 11 Home, but, we had to have the secret decoder ring in our hands.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/836157/how-to-use-windows-11-with-a-local-account/>
It's impossible to find the "skip" mechanism if you don't know that you
must go to the command-line interface using <Shift+F10> and then enter
OOBE\BYPASSNRO
Only then do you get the option to set up only the local account.
I have no idea what 'magic' that command does, but it worked.
So at this point, only iOS requires the mothership tracking account in
order to work (although Windows 10 extended support also requires it).
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
I bought a computer from Costco for Christmas for a kid and it had 32GB
DDR5 MB memory & 16GB DDR7 GPU memory, so good memory is not only just good >>> memory, but it seems to be getting better, faster & cheaper over time!
Per Paul said, everything is a bit expensive now.
Drat. I was planning on building a PC for a grandkid but Christmas came faster than I had expected it to, so I ended up with a Costco compromise.
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject: PSA: I can happily report that my first Win11 Home installed sans a MSA
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:24:16 -0500
Message-ID: <10k3l9g$2ug$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
I don't like that the motherboard and case and power supply are proprietary because that means the grandchild can't upgrade anything over the years.
But luckily both the CPU and GPU are born in 2025 so they may last a bit.
When it comes to RAM though, there are two slots available so RAM prices
may be important, as I don't know if the kid needs more than 32GB RAM.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/836157/how-to-use-windows-11-with-a-local-account/>
OMEN 16L Gaming Desktop PC
Intel Core Ultra 7 265F, 20 cores, up to 5.3 GHz boost,
32GB DDR5 RAM (2x16GB, 2 more slots available)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5060 Ti, 16GB GDDR7 dedicated memory
32GB Memory (16GB GDDR7)
1TB NVMe SSD
Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4
OMEN AI performance tuning, RGB control via OMEN Light Studio
Compact 16-liter chassis, which is basically not expandable)
Windows 11 Home
Costco Item 1950087 $1,499.99
For another grandkid's birthday coming up, I'm hoping to be able to build
an equivalent homebuilt desktop which will use standard-size components.
I haven't built a custom PC in decades, so I had to look up cases.
Full Tower (50-80 liters)
Fits E-ATX, ATX, Micro-ATX, Mini-ITX
Mid Tower (35-50 liters)
Fits ATX, Micro-ATX, Mini-ITX
Micro Tower / Mini Tower (25-35 liters)
Fits Micro-ATX, Mini-ITX
Small Form Factor (10-20 liters)
Fits Mini-ITX & custom motherboards
Ultra-Small / Mini-PC (1-10 liters)
Intel NUCs, Mac Mini, tiny office PCs
Not having touched a motherboard in decades, I wonder if the ATX size is still the one that is the most standard for now and for future upgrades?
Looking up how to build an "equivalent" mid-level gamer PC, I found
the PA Parts Picker web site, which seems to be an excellent resource.
<https://pcpartpicker.com/>
There are BILLIONS of choices, but I've narrowed it down for now to
CPU: Intel Core Ultra 7 265K (LGA1851 socket, fits Z890 motherboards)
GPU: RTX 5070 (12GB GDDR7)
RAM: 32GB DDR5-6400 (2|u16GB) Supported by Z890 motherboards
MB: ASUS Prime Z890-P WiFi (LGA1851,DDR5,PCIe 5.0x16,M.2 PCIe 4.0/5.0,ATX)
SSD: 1TB NVMe SSD (PCIe 4.0, 7000 MB/s)
Power supply: 750W 80+ Gold ATX PSU
Case: Fractal Pop Air XL, NZXT H7 Flow, Lian Li Lancool 216,
Phanteks P500A, or Corsair 4000D Airflow
Cooler: DeepCool AK620 (air) or Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 (AIO)
OS: Windows 11 Home (license ~$100)
Rough prices for those parts are
CPU: Intel Core Ultra 7 265K, Estimated: $420-$500
GPU: NVIDIA RTX 5070 (12GB GDDR7) Estimated: $550-$650
RAM: 32GB DDR5-6400 (2|u16GB) Estimated: $90-$130
MB: ASUS Prime Z890-P WiFi Estimated: $230-$280
SSD: 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 (7000 MB/s) Estimated: $60-$90
PS: 750W 80+ Gold Estimated: $90-$130
Case: Pop Air XL,H7 Flow,Lancool 216,P500A,4000D Estimated: $90-$150
Cooler: DeepCool AK620 Estimated: $65-$75
Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer II 240 Estimated: $95-$110
Windows 11 Home License Estimated: $100
The total becomes about $1,695 to $2,140 so the RAM price is roughly about 5% (give or take) of the total cost, so a price rise would be meaningful.
The total becomes about $1,695 to $2,140 so the RAM price is roughly about
5% (give or take) of the total cost, so a price rise would be meaningful.
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