When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
On 24.12.2025 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
You could try to restart your router to get a new IP address assigned.
ciao..
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some reason. Who is your ISP?
On 2025/12/24 7:10:45, Schugo wrote:
On 24.12.2025 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
You could try to restart your router to get a new IP address assigned.
ciao..
I've been getting it for months - including at least one power out, and another router restart.
It's only certain sites; on some others I get the "please wait while we
check you're a human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me to those sites after a few seconds.
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
https://www.whatismyip.com/ # Get the IP (made-up-example in next line)That gave me an address (a v4 one).
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?I've no idea; it gave me
I tested your two test URLs and both render in my worst browser,Interesting that there was no sign of a delay.
no sign of a Cloudflare delay. Even WhatIsMyIP does not work in
my worst browser.
Paul
On 24.12.2025 14:39, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/24 7:10:45, Schugo wrote:
On 24.12.2025 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
Do you use an old or uncommon browser?
Maybe you're mistaken as a bot ot AI scraper.
Seen it once with Seamonkey, but on the website not Cloudfuck.
ciao..
I was thinking it might be my VPN
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message news:10ifshh$nis1$1@dont-email.me...
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
On 2025/12/24 13:9:26, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
https://www.whatismyip.com/ # Get the IP (made-up-example in next line)
That gave me an address (a v4 one).
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
I've no idea; it gave me
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected
Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and
have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago).
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some
reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected >>Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and
have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago).
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a subset of IPs.
On 24.12.2025 16:57, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected >>>Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and
have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago).
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a
subset of IPs.
uses CGNAT..
So could be a "collateral damage" caused by a "neighbour" with the same IP address. No wonder when in every household now there are a dozen internet connected smart devices (TV, coffe/washing machine, light bulbs, ...) with crappy security.
ciao..
He can also explore this site and see if anything surfaces.
https://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check
On 2025/12/24 16:14:42, pothead wrote:
[]
He can also explore this site and see if anything surfaces.Interesting. First, I got the "checking you are human" type words from Cloudflare, then it let me through to the site.
https://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check
The "Check Your IP Address. Your IP address has been auto-filled in the
box below. Click the "blacklist check" next to it and you'll then see checkmarks on the list." Well, an IP address was indeed filled in
(though in faint grey!), but next to it it says CHECK IP ADDRESS rather
than "blacklist check"; a fairly minor matter, but doesn't fill one with confidence if a site doesn't know what its own buttons have on them!
Anyway, I clicked it, and got the following (in the list of blacklists
below it):
green tick "IP Not Listed (Good!)" - all of them
red ! "IP Listed (Bad!) - none of them
blue ? "Blacklist Timeout Error" - none of them
black ? "Blacklist Offline" - none of them
so, if I understand it right: all the blacklists it checks are working
and responded in time, and none of them listed my IP.
That's only spam related blacklists. CF blacklists are not public.It seems to me unlikely that, for example,
"...if yourCOre being blocked from accessing certain Cloudflare protected websites is because their owners have chosen to block you. Likely not *you* in
particular, but they have certain rules to apply blocks to certain requests under certain conditions in which your requests are falling into."
ciao..
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
On 2025/12/24 16:42:14, Schugo wrote:
[]
That's only spam related blacklists. CF blacklists are not public.
"...if yourCOre being blocked from accessing certain Cloudflare protected
websites is because their owners have chosen to block you. Likely not *you* in
particular, but they have certain rules to apply blocks to certain requests >> under certain conditions in which your requests are falling into."
ciao..
It seems to me unlikely that, for example,
https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ should have deliberately either
blocked me personally, or intentionally set up a rule that happens to
trap my request to contact it.
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Are you using the DNS server at your ISP? Didn't you mention Plus is
shoving their customers over to Greenly (or something similarly named)? Instead of defaulting to using your ISP's DNS server (assigned to you by their DHCP server), configure the DNS servers for the IPv4 and IPv6 attributes on your network devices defined in the OS to use some other
DNS servers, like Cloudflare, Google, or other providers.
completely useless!
On 24.12.2025 18:04, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Are you using the DNS server at your ISP? Didn't you mention Plus is
shoving their customers over to Greenly (or something similarly named)?
Instead of defaulting to using your ISP's DNS server (assigned to you by
their DHCP server), configure the DNS servers for the IPv4 and IPv6
attributes on your network devices defined in the OS to use some other
DNS servers, like Cloudflare, Google, or other providers.
completely useless!
The websever that you connect can impossibly know how you resolved the
IP address.
On 24.12.2025 17:26, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/24 16:14:42, pothead wrote:
[]
He can also explore this site and see if anything surfaces.Interesting. First, I got the "checking you are human" type words from
https://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check
Cloudflare, then it let me through to the site.
The "Check Your IP Address. Your IP address has been auto-filled in the
box below. Click the "blacklist check" next to it and you'll then see
checkmarks on the list." Well, an IP address was indeed filled in
(though in faint grey!), but next to it it says CHECK IP ADDRESS rather
than "blacklist check"; a fairly minor matter, but doesn't fill one with
confidence if a site doesn't know what its own buttons have on them!
Anyway, I clicked it, and got the following (in the list of blacklists
below it):
green tick "IP Not Listed (Good!)" - all of them
red ! "IP Listed (Bad!) - none of them
blue ? "Blacklist Timeout Error" - none of them
black ? "Blacklist Offline" - none of them
so, if I understand it right: all the blacklists it checks are working
and responded in time, and none of them listed my IP.
That's only spam related blacklists. CF blacklists are not public.
"...if yourCOre being blocked from accessing certain Cloudflare protected websites is because their owners have chosen to block you. Likely not *you* in
particular, but they have certain rules to apply blocks to certain requests under certain conditions in which your requests are falling into."
ciao..
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill
in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you
with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers,
and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read
a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
OK, my test for https://www.reportfraud.police.uk/
SeaMoneky: hangs (javascript error)
Firefox: works
Chromium: works
Tor Browser: *drumroll*
"Sorry, you have been blocked
You are unable to access reportfraud.police.uk"
"Why have I been blocked?
This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data."
ciao..
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:[]
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read
a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
Paul
As Shugo mentions, could be due to your ISP using CGNAT >(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT), but that means you're >using a tiny ISP that doesn't have a sufficiently sized IP pool to cover
all their customers, like for dial-up service, especially if they only
delve out IPv4 address to their users instead of using IPv6.
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare.
On 2025/12/24 13:9:26, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
https://www.whatismyip.com/ # Get the IP (made-up-example in next line)
That gave me an address (a v4 one).
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
I've no idea; it gave me
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good
visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill
in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you
with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers,
and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to
their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all
visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 11:04:57 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
As Shugo mentions, could be due to your ISP using CGNAT >>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT), but that means you're >>using a tiny ISP that doesn't have a sufficiently sized IP pool to cover >>all their customers, like for dial-up service, especially if they only >>delve out IPv4 address to their users instead of using IPv6.
Google says that Plusnet did a CGNAT trial back in 2013, but they never rolled it out, so if Google can be believed, there is no CGNAT in play
for John. (It's easy enough to check, if there's still any doubt.)
I would say that the issue lies elsewhere.
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:15:52rC>PM MST, ""J. P. Gilliver"" wrote <10ihe58$nis2$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good
visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill
in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers,
and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can
track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
They look to see if you are moving the mouse pointer in a human-like way.
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:15:52rC>PM MST, ""J. P. Gilliver"" wrotewhat a dirty trick
<10ihe58$nis2$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good >>>> visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice >>>> it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill >>>> in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers, >>>> and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can >>> track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
They look to see if you are moving the mouse pointer in a human-like way.
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good
visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill
in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you
with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers,
and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to
their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all
visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
On 24.12.2025 18:04, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Are you using the DNS server at your ISP? Didn't you mention Plus is
shoving their customers over to Greenly (or something similarly named)?
Instead of defaulting to using your ISP's DNS server (assigned to you by
their DHCP server), configure the DNS servers for the IPv4 and IPv6
attributes on your network devices defined in the OS to use some other
DNS servers, like Cloudflare, Google, or other providers.
completely useless!
The websever that you connect can impossibly know how you resolved the
IP address.
ciao..
Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 24.12.2025 18:04, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Are you using the DNS server at your ISP? Didn't you mention Plus is
shoving their customers over to Greenly (or something similarly named)?
Instead of defaulting to using your ISP's DNS server (assigned to you by >>> their DHCP server), configure the DNS servers for the IPv4 and IPv6
attributes on your network devices defined in the OS to use some other
DNS servers, like Cloudflare, Google, or other providers.
completely useless!
The websever that you connect can impossibly know how you resolved the
IP address.
ciao..
You mentioned CGNAT at the ISP. Well, if you use DoH and VPN, they
don't know where you visit, so no inspection of your traffic to cause
delay, and the VPN exit node will not match that of the ISP's.
On 25.12.2025 03:33, VanguardLH wrote:
Schugo <schugo@schugo.de> wrote:
On 24.12.2025 18:04, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
Are you using the DNS server at your ISP? Didn't you mention Plus is
shoving their customers over to Greenly (or something similarly named)? >>>> Instead of defaulting to using your ISP's DNS server (assigned to you by >>>> their DHCP server), configure the DNS servers for the IPv4 and IPv6
attributes on your network devices defined in the OS to use some other >>>> DNS servers, like Cloudflare, Google, or other providers.
completely useless!
The websever that you connect can impossibly know how you resolved the
IP address.
ciao..
You mentioned CGNAT at the ISP. Well, if you use DoH and VPN, they
don't know where you visit, so no inspection of your traffic to cause
delay, and the VPN exit node will not match that of the ISP's.
It turned out that it's not using CGNAT (wrong information on a website)
VPN maybe helps here, but the risk that you get even more blocks gets higher, because many websites hate VPNs and you may have even more "bad acting neighbours" in the same (shuffled) IP range.
ciao..
On 24/12/2025 05:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare.
CF has now rolled out its Turnstile platform, so users of websites are
likely to experience false positives from time to time until it is REALLY ready for widespread use!
Turnstile was in beta for a very long time, and now Cloudflare thinks it
is time to monetise the service, although personal users, developers and hobbyists will still be able to use it for free.
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:15:52rC>PM MST, ""J. P. Gilliver"" wrotewhat a dirty trick
<10ihe58$nis2$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good >>>> visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice >>>> it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill >>>> in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers, >>>> and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can >>> track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
They look to see if you are moving the mouse pointer in a human-like way.
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that instantly clicks on the checkbox.
I am sure someone could train a computer to bypass it and look human.
On 25.12.2025 01:04, % wrote:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:15:52rC>PM MST, ""J. P. Gilliver"" wrote
<10ihe58$nis2$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me >>>>>> to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS >>>>> (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good >>>>> visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice >>>>> it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that >>>>> instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some >>>>> common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill >>>>> in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>>>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers, >>>>> and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to >>>>> protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>>>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>>>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can >>>> track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_, >>>> they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they >>>> can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
They look to see if you are moving the mouse pointer in a human-like way.
what a dirty trick
IIRC some agentic AI browsers can already solve that CAPTCHA... LOL
ciao..
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:You're missing the point - sometimes there _isn't_ such a checkbox that
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good
visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice
it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that>>> instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some>>> common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill
in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers,
and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can
track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,>> they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they>> can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
A bot would likely immediately click on the checkbox instead of take
time to recognize it was there to move the mouse over to it and click on
the checkbox. Unlikely you would happen to have the mouse pointer at
the spot on the screen where the checkbox shows up to instantly click on
it when it appeared. There's probably a slew of heuristics to determine
if events generated by a web page were human sourced or scripted.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 13:57:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 13:9:26, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>
https://www.whatismyip.com/ # Get the IP (made-up-example in next line) >>That gave me an address (a v4 one).
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
I've no idea; it gave me
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
We can't tell if your ISP is using CGNAT, (they're almost certainly
not), because you didn't give any clues to your WAN IP. You mentioned
that it's an IPv4 address, so would you feel comfortable posting the
first, or the first two, octets? That should be enough to resolve the
CGNAT question. Basically, if your WAN IP is routable, then it's not
CGNAT.
The "action" Cloudflare refers to isn't just the clickrCoit's theYes, I've guessed that much - but it would be useful to know _what_ it
technical handshake your browser performs. When you hit that wall, CloudflarerCOs "Bot Management" has likely flagged your setup as automated or suspicious.
Here are a few things to try/check:Others have suggested that. But, quite apart from not wanting to turn
The "Antivirus" Culprit: I noticed your headers mention AVG. Sometimes > antivirus "Web Shield" features intercept encrypted traffic to scan it.
Cloudflare sees this as a protocol mismatch and blocks it. Try
temporarily disabling the AVG Web Shield and refreshing the page.
Browser Fingerprinting: If you are using an older browser on Windows 7,"Edge is up to date".
your "fingerprint" looks like a legacy bot. Try a "clean" portable
version of a modern browser (like Firefox Portable) with no extensions > to see if the block persists.
DNS & IP: If your ISP uses CGNAT (shared IPs), you might be sufferingOthers are arguing, but on balance it seems PlusNet _aren't_ using that.
for the "sins" of a neighbor. Try power-cycling your router to grab a
new IP, or try accessing the site via a mobile hotspot to see if itrCOs an IP-level block.
The "Email the Owner" Trap: You're rightrCoitrCOs a Catch-22. Cloudflare won't give you a direct contact because they are a service provider, notA couple of weeks ago (I think) I dug somewhere else and found a 'phone
the content owner. However, for UK Gov sites like Action Fraud, you can often find contact details via the National Cyber Security Centre (ncsc.gov.uk) which usually bypasses these aggressive filters.
Regarding a direct email for Cloudflare: They don't provide one for individual "unblocking" requests. The block is set by the specificObviously broken, though.
site's security profile, not a global Cloudflare "blacklist."
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read
a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
On 2025/12/25 2:29:9, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors
(events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web
crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS
(Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good >>>> visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice >>>> it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that
instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some
common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill >>>> in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers, >>>> and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to
protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word,
like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can >>> track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_,
they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they
can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are.
A bot would likely immediately click on the checkbox instead of take
time to recognize it was there to move the mouse over to it and click on
the checkbox. Unlikely you would happen to have the mouse pointer at
the spot on the screen where the checkbox shows up to instantly click on
it when it appeared. There's probably a slew of heuristics to determine
if events generated by a web page were human sourced or scripted.
You're missing the point - sometimes there _isn't_ such a checkbox that
has to be clicked.
On 2025/12/24 20:41:45, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 13:57:37 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:
On 2025/12/24 13:9:26, Paul wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>
https://www.whatismyip.com/ # Get the IP (made-up-example in next line) >>>That gave me an address (a v4 one).
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
I've no idea; it gave me
nslookup <address from whatismyisp>
Server: UnKnown
Address: 192.168.1.254
Name: <username>.plus.com
Address: <address from whatismyisp>
We can't tell if your ISP is using CGNAT, (they're almost certainly
not), because you didn't give any clues to your WAN IP. You mentioned
that it's an IPv4 address, so would you feel comfortable posting the
first, or the first two, octets? That should be enough to resolve the
CGNAT question. Basically, if your WAN IP is routable, then it's not
CGNAT.
31.125...
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
Looks routable to me, so no CGNAT.
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
Char Jackson wrote:
[snip]
nslookup 99.22.147.18 # Does this seem to be a CGNAT ?
[snip]
Looks routable to me, so no CGNAT.
WhoIs suggests AT&T Enterprises.
To the OP:
Take your PC to another location and use the internet connection there.
If your PC continues to fail it's something misconfigured in it.
On 2025/12/25 0:22:37, Schugo wrote:
On 25.12.2025 01:04, % wrote:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Dec 24, 2025 at 12:15:52rC>PM MST, ""J. P. Gilliver"" wrote
<10ihe58$nis2$9@dont-email.me>:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:They look to see if you are moving the mouse pointer in a human-like way.
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a >>>>>>> human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me >>>>>>> to those sites after a few seconds.
Those, even if only a checkbox you click, are looking for behaviors >>>>>> (events) exhibited by humans visiting a web site versus bots or web >>>>>> crawlers trying to harvest content, or zombied hosts attempting DDOS >>>>>> (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. The site assaults their good >>>>>> visitors with anti-bot/DDOS/webcrawl filtering.
Their CAPTCHA could be a simple checkbox you click, and they'll notice >>>>>> it takes you time to move your mouse to click on it versus a bot that >>>>>> instantly clicks on the checkbox. Could be "match the tiles" on some >>>>>> common theme, like all tiles with bicycles, or you drag a tile to fill >>>>>> in a jigsaw picture, or you solve a math formula. The site assaults you >>>>>> with interferrence trying to protect themself from bots, web crawlers, >>>>>> and DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attacks. They're hoping to >>>>>> protect their site to keep it responsive to real visitors by
interferring with accessing the site by bots, but it is interferrence to >>>>>> their good visitors, too. In effect, it is a weak form of requiring all >>>>>> visitors to login before the site delivers its content.
Sometimes they're a "pick the pictures" (often with an American word, >>>>> like "crosswalk"), sometimes they're just a tickbox (where yes, they can >>>>> track your mouse); sometimes, they don't require you to do _anything_, >>>>> they just "decide" you're human after a few seconds. Not sure how they >>>>> can use your action - or lack thereof! - to decide how human you are. >>>>
Yes, but I'm pretty sure I've been let in even if I deliberately don't
move it at all.
I'd be most surprised if not. (Even without having the reason to bypasswhat a dirty trick
IIRC some agentic AI browsers can already solve that CAPTCHA... LOL
ciao..
it, if I was an AI programmer I'd just see it as a challenge.)
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:19:15 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read
a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
I did click on it.
It refreshed itself and repeated the message "Verifying you are human.
This may take a few seconds."
Click, Repeast. Click Repeat.
On 26/12/2025 2:48 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:19:15 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>Steve, for many years I've used SeaMonkey Internet Suite to connect to
wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read
a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
I did click on it.
It refreshed itself and repeated the message "Verifying you are human.
This may take a few seconds."
Click, Repeast. Click Repeat.
my Family Tree site (tribalpages.com) but, over the last few months my SeaMonkey has failed because it doesn't handle the "Prove you are human
...
Not always. I've had the "Verifying you are human" type messages that
_don't_ require you to do anything, but still give me access after some seconds. I think they often - maybe always - contain a little square of
stars similar to the ones that have inside it a box and text saying "I
am not a robot" that you have to click, but that don't actually say
that. I _tend_ to move my cursor to the square anyway, expecting the "I
am not a robot" text to appear, and maybe they detect my doing that -
though I'm _pretty_ certain I have had cases where I _haven't_ done
anything and it has still let me in after some seconds.
On 26.12.2025 10:27, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/12/2025 2:48 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:19:15 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>Steve, for many years I've used SeaMonkey Internet Suite to connect to
wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>>>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the >>>>>> action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an >>>>>> email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read >>>>> a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
I did click on it.
It refreshed itself and repeated the message "Verifying you are human.
This may take a few seconds."
Click, Repeast. Click Repeat.
my Family Tree site (tribalpages.com) but, over the last few months my
SeaMonkey has failed because it doesn't handle the "Prove you are human
...
here's an example of totally dumb blocking: https://sub.fm/
It blocks googlebot and Seamonkey only.
But not: FF 10.0.2 Linux, IE 9.0 Win7, Chrome/19.0, Lynx/2.8
ciao...
On 2025/12/26 10:16:22, Schugo wrote:
On 26.12.2025 10:27, Daniel70 wrote:Lets me in (up-to-date Edge) ... not even any "checking you ..." delay,
On 26/12/2025 2:48 am, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 14:19:15 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>Steve, for many years I've used SeaMonkey Internet Suite to connect to
wrote:
On Wed, 12/24/2025 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the >>>>>>> action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an >>>>>>> email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it >>>>>>> manually into my browser's URL box.
I got a message from a genealogy site that there was a reply to a
message I had posted there sime time back.
I clicked on the link they gave and got this:
www.rootschat.com
Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.
... from Cloudflare.
The few seconds turned into several minutes, and I went away and read >>>>>> a chapter of a book and came back and it was still busy.
Cloudflare seems to be a major obstacle to communication.
That's "normal" and is a browser-era issue.
The humanity test is a graphic with a tick box in it.
If your browser could render the graphic, then...
you could click it and proceed to the destination.
I did click on it.
It refreshed itself and repeated the message "Verifying you are human. >>>> This may take a few seconds."
Click, Repeast. Click Repeat.
my Family Tree site (tribalpages.com) but, over the last few months my
SeaMonkey has failed because it doesn't handle the "Prove you are human
...
here's an example of totally dumb blocking: https://sub.fm/
It blocks googlebot and Seamonkey only.
But not: FF 10.0.2 Linux, IE 9.0 Win7, Chrome/19.0, Lynx/2.8
ciao...
just (apparently) straight in.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
Obama controls the internet now and will until you upgrade to Windows 11.
On 2025/12/25 22:56:16, David Mikkelson wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:I don't think the UK would mind an Obama-controlled internet. (Followup detected and killed.)
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
Obama controls the internet now and will until you upgrade to Windows 11.
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
the captchas of the future will only let you past if you fail
ciao..
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 05:09:41 +0100, Schugo wrote:
[snip]
the captchas of the future will only let you past if you fail
ciao..
Then, AIs will be programmed to get in wrong...
On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 05:09:41 +0100, Schugo wrote:
[snip]
the captchas of the future will only let you past if you fail
ciao..
Then, AIs will be programmed to get in wrong...
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected >>Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and
have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago).
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a subset of IPs.
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected >>>Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and
have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago).
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a
subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP.
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does
that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
On Fri, 12/26/2025 7:29 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/25 22:56:16, David Mikkelson wrote:
J. P. Gilliver wrote:I don't think the UK would mind an Obama-controlled internet. (Followup
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
Obama controls the internet now and will until you upgrade to Windows 11. >>>
detected and killed.)
You could drop the alt.computer.workshop while you're at it.
Paul
On Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:09:05 +0000, in <10ifshh$nis1$1@dont-email.me>,
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
You mentioned a police-type site. Many (not all) of my problems were
with law enforcement type sites... inmate lookup, arrest history,
court history. I can see now why they wouldn't want to be scraped by something they think is a bot.
So Google for terms like "look ahead" and the like with Edge and see
what you have set. Hopefully it solves your problem.
On 2025/12/27 12:59:28, Chris wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected
Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and >>> have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago). >>>
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a >> subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP.
Interesting; supports the subset theory perhaps?
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
Yes.
On 2025/12/27 12:59:28, Chris wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>>
It's either that your computer is hosting malware which is being detected >>>>Always possible, but I don't think so - I practice fairly safe hex, and >>>> have up-to-date (although free) AVG (says it last scanned 12 days ago). >>>>
by Cloudflare, or more likely, your IP address has been flagged for some >>>>> reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a >>> subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP.
Interesting; supports the subset theory perhaps?
Yes.
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does
that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/27 12:59:28, Chris wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
Interesting; supports the subset theory perhaps?reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a >>>> subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP. >>
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does
that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
Yes.
I happened to notice that <https://whatismyipaddress.com/> offers a Blacklist Check (if you first click 'Show Complete IP Details', or use
the TOOLS menu).
You may want do run that check to see if your IP is blacklisted.
N.B. I only see the part of the thread which is not crossposted to alt.computer.workshop, so now you've dropped that group, please keep it
off.
On 2025/12/27 16:2:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
N.B. I only see the part of the thread which is not crossposted to alt.computer.workshop, so now you've dropped that group, please keep it off.
OK. (What's the problem with it - or is it the regulars there of whom
I've blocked about half a dozen?)
On 2025/12/27 16:2:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/27 12:59:28, Chris wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
[]
Interesting; supports the subset theory perhaps?reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a >>>>> subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP. >>>
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does >>>> that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
Yes.
I happened to notice that <https://whatismyipaddress.com/> offers a
Blacklist Check (if you first click 'Show Complete IP Details', or use
the TOOLS menu).
Interesting; that says I'm with EE, in Bangor, Northern Ireland. (Rather
than PlusNet, wherever they are. [_I_ an actually in Kent.])
You may want do run that check to see if your IP is blacklisted.
No, it only shows lots of green ticks.
N.B. I only see the part of the thread which is not crossposted to
alt.computer.workshop, so now you've dropped that group, please keep it
off.
OK. (What's the problem with it - or is it the regulars there of whom
I've blocked about half a dozen?)
On Sat, 12/27/2025 11:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/27 16:2:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/27 12:59:28, Chris wrote:
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 10:34:4, Chris wrote:
[]
reason. Who is your ISP?
PlusNet.
Me too. Not seeing any issues, here. So it's not the ISP - unless it's a >>>>>> subset of IPs.
Revisiting this.
My IP starts 81.174 so a very different range to the OP despite same ISP.
Interesting; supports the subset theory perhaps?
Also, the Actionfraud URL redirects to www.reportfraud.police.uk - does >>>>> that URL also raise a cloudflare block for the Op?
Yes.
I happened to notice that <https://whatismyipaddress.com/> offers a
Blacklist Check (if you first click 'Show Complete IP Details', or use
the TOOLS menu).
Interesting; that says I'm with EE, in Bangor, Northern Ireland. (Rather
than PlusNet, wherever they are. [_I_ an actually in Kent.])
You may want do run that check to see if your IP is blacklisted.
No, it only shows lots of green ticks.
N.B. I only see the part of the thread which is not crossposted to
alt.computer.workshop, so now you've dropped that group, please keep it
off.
OK. (What's the problem with it - or is it the regulars there of whom
I've blocked about half a dozen?)
In a previous lifetime, before the current crowd inherited it,
it was a hive of vicious unrelenting bigots.
The group has no purpose. A couple organizations were using it.
To advertise "scam conferences" in Mumbai. That's about it for
on-topic material.
How did I discover the group ? I'm not known for my interest in
workshops, and... somebody crossed into it.
It's like someone crossposting to alt.flame because they thought
they could get help with their combustion device.
Interesting; that says I'm with EE, in Bangor, Northern Ireland. (Rather
than PlusNet, wherever they are. [_I_ an actually in Kent.])
Full Fibre is the next generation ultrafast broadband, which connects straight to your home. ThererCOs no copper cables or landline. It's 100% fibre optic cables, full of speed and reliability.
Broadband without a landline
Flexible range of speeds
Supercharged by our Hub Two router
24 or 12 month contracts
Super for smart homes
Unlimited usage
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
On Sat, 12/27/2025 11:23 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/27 16:2:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
N.B. I only see the part of the thread which is not crossposted to
alt.computer.workshop, so now you've dropped that group, please keep it
off.
OK. (What's the problem with it - or is it the regulars there of whom
I've blocked about half a dozen?)
In a previous lifetime, before the current crowd inherited it,
it was a hive of vicious unrelenting bigots.
The group has no purpose. A couple organizations were using it.
To advertise "scam conferences" in Mumbai. That's about it for
on-topic material.
How did I discover the group ? I'm not known for my interest in
workshops, and... somebody crossed into it.
It's like someone crossposting to alt.flame because they thought
they could get help with their combustion device.
Or if a group was called alt.usenet.kooks , you could get help
with your kookaburra. They hooked a real live kook there one day.
A person with mental problems, decided any time someone in
the group played a joke on him, "they were helping him". He was
a university prof. And eventually someone at the uni recognized
the guy needed some adjustments to his rocker, and he... disappeared.
Each newsgroup has a story to tell. Know your flora and fauna.
Paul
On 27/12/2025 16:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Interesting; that says I'm with EE, in Bangor, Northern Ireland. (Rather
than PlusNet, wherever they are. [_I_ an actually in Kent.])
EE runs the infrastructure for BT, which also owns Plusnet (i.e BT owns PlusNet).
As far as I am concerned, BT is now almost a non-entity. They recently
wrote to inform me that they are discontinuing their BT Managed Websites
service on Thursday, 11 December 2025. This is not the only issue. I
have a BTConnect email account managed by Microsoft Outlook.com, but
they don't allow IMAP or POP, so that account is useless to me too. I
also had an email account on Talk21, which belonged to BT, but that was
shut down a long time ago.
The only thing BT now runs is Openreach, which builds internet cables
for everyone in the UK. They have a monopoly on this because they charge other ISPs a fortune to use their cables.
The landline business is now dead because you don't need a landline to
get the internet, as everything is fibre optic. This means they have big boxes on the streets with Wi-Fi routers, so broadband service customers
get Wi-Fi using special routers and Cat 5, 6 or 7 cables. I am now with Community Fibre, and I was amazed at how they connected me! If something goes wrong now, I have to call them because the cables are fixed firmly
to the wall. The days of simply unplugging the cable are gone! The
PlusNet website states:
Full Fibre is the next generation ultrafast broadband, which connects straight to your home. ThererCOs no copper cables or landline. It's 100% fibre optic cables, full of speed and reliability.
Broadband without a landline
Flexible range of speeds
Supercharged by our Hub Two router
24 or 12 month contracts
Super for smart homes
Unlimited usage
<https://business.bt.com/help/article/managed-websites-help/>
<https://www.plus.net/broadband/full-fibre/>
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
On 27 Dec 2025 16:48:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
Tried that one and also got:
www.whatismyip.com
Verify you are human by completing the action below.
www.whatismyip.com needs to review the security of your connection
before proceeding.
from Cloudflare. so will try yours
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So I tried yours, which gave me:
My IP Address is:
IPv4: ? 105.186.123.222
IPv6: ? Not detected
and offered to hide my IP address.
Why would I want to do that?
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
As I discovered when it didn't work.
On 2025/12/27 20:25:54, John Ali wrote:
Broadband without a landline
Flexible range of speeds
Supercharged by our Hub Two router
What might "Supercharged" mean!
On Sat, 12/27/2025 10:43 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On 27 Dec 2025 16:48:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
Tried that one and also got:
www.whatismyip.com
Verify you are human by completing the action below.
www.whatismyip.com needs to review the security of your connection
before proceeding.
from Cloudflare. so will try yours
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So I tried yours, which gave me:
My IP Address is:
IPv4: ? 105.186.123.222
IPv6: ? Not detected
and offered to hide my IP address.
Why would I want to do that?
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
As I discovered when it didn't work.
On 2025/12/27 16:48:10, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[]
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
And gave me access, immediately! (At least, I wasn't aware of any
"verifying ..." delay.) It thinks I'm with "EE Limited", in Bangor, in Northern Ireland. (I'm with PlusNet; I'm unsure where PlusNet are. _I_'m
in Kent.)
On Sat, 12/27/2025 9:44 PM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/27 20:25:54, John Ali wrote:
Broadband without a landline
Flexible range of speeds
Supercharged by our Hub Two router
What might "Supercharged" mean!
It means you're not getting the Turbocharged one :-)
Fear Of Missing Out and all that.
Paul
On 27 Dec 2025 16:48:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
Tried that one and also got:
www.whatismyip.com
Verify you are human by completing the action below.
www.whatismyip.com needs to review the security of your connection
before proceeding.
from Cloudflare. so will try yours
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So I tried yours, which gave me:
My IP Address is:
IPv4: ? 105.186.123.222
IPv6: ? Not detected
and offered to hide my IP address.
Why would I want to do that?
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
As I discovered when it didn't work.
"Globally, two-thirds of request traffic to Cloudflare came from
Chrome in 2025, similar to its share last year."
Oh my goodness, I'm an "outlier", I'm suspicious by definition. This
suggests their "stand and deliver" page checks the UserAgent.
"Cloudflare found that Android devices account for 65 percent of
online traffic, while iOS traffic makes up the remainder."
The service is hardly agnostic then.
So really, I'm a "flyspeck of dirt on teh Internetz". Who would have guessed? "All the worlds a cellphone, hello? hello? can you hear me now?"
Maybe we should be visiting websites with our cellphones :-/ You know,
to "cover our tracks as sketchy users". It would be interesting to see
what the web experience is like for smartphone users, and how many times
they get that page.
The Smart Hub 2 has seven antennas... but you cannot see them.
https://bestbroadbanddeals.co.uk/broadband/providers/bt/routers/
It would apparently be shipped with a 900Mbit/sec service.
It has an
older Wifi version. You might want to plug into a LAN Ethernet
port when running the Speedtest to verify the service is correct.
Perhaps Char knows what that connector on the left is.
It would be coming from the ONT (Optical Network Termination or so).
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51jeEVwxqWL._AC_.jpg
The ventilation holes will let all of that beautiful Wifi signal out.
If you do Speedtest.net or Ookla via the Wifi capability, you
will likely get the wrong answer. One of the yellow ports
would be better for test.
On Sat, 12/27/2025 10:43 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On 27 Dec 2025 16:48:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned a
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used.
Tried that one and also got:
www.whatismyip.com
Verify you are human by completing the action below.
www.whatismyip.com needs to review the security of your connection
before proceeding.
from Cloudflare. so will try yours
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists
the ISP's location, not my location.
So I tried yours, which gave me:
My IP Address is:
IPv4: ? 105.186.123.222
IPv6: ? Not detected
and offered to hide my IP address.
Why would I want to do that?
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
As I discovered when it didn't work.
But at least that tells us that the Cloudflare abuse feature is generic
and added to all accounts that have DDOS protection. Part of what Cloudflare was supposed to do, was deflect artificial attacks so the traffic
did not arrive at the server in question. The company had an IPO
in 2019, just six years ago.
"Cloudflare, Inc. is an American company headquartered in San Francisco that
provides a range of internet services, including content delivery network services,
cybersecurity, DDoS mitigation, wide area network services, reverse proxies,
Domain Name Service, and ICANN-accredited domain registration."
I suspect they've become a little conflicted about their role, and have become "the highwayman".
"There is no public write-up from Cloudflare that proves rCLwe handle 20% of all
Internet traffic.rCY Cloudflare reports around 295,000 paying customers and more than
30 million Internet properties (20% of the web)."
"approximately 32.8% of the top 10,000 most popular websites use Cloudflare services."
Now, how did that happen ?
They must be squatting on *more* than 20% now...
"Globally, two-thirds of request traffic to Cloudflare came from Chrome in 2025,
similar to its share last year."
Oh my goodness, I'm an "outlier", I'm suspicious by definition. This suggests their
"stand and deliver" page checks the UserAgent.
"Cloudflare found that Android devices account for 65 percent of online traffic,
while iOS traffic makes up the remainder."
The service is hardly agnostic then.
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 05:51:10 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
The Smart Hub 2 has seven antennas... but you cannot see them.
https://bestbroadbanddeals.co.uk/broadband/providers/bt/routers/
It would apparently be shipped with a 900Mbit/sec service.
"Up to" 900 Mbit/sec, is what I've read.
It has an
older Wifi version. You might want to plug into a LAN Ethernet
port when running the Speedtest to verify the service is correct.
Perhaps Char knows what that connector on the left is.
It would be coming from the ONT (Optical Network Termination or so).
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51jeEVwxqWL._AC_.jpg
It looks like the connector on the lower left might be a DECT-compatible RJ-11 phone jack, only enabled for customers who sign up for digital
voice service. Of the 4 gigabit LAN ports, one is labeled WAN, as a suggestion that customers should use that one to connect this unit, the router, to the modem/ONT. The power jack, power switch, and reset switch
are straightforward, but I'm not sure what that switch on the RH edge
(as viewed from the rear) might be - perhaps WPS to facilitate easy WiFi connections. Overall, this might have been a fine unit when it was first introduced in 2018, but it's not so impressive now.
The ventilation holes will let all of that beautiful Wifi signal out.
If you do Speedtest.net or Ookla via the Wifi capability, you
will likely get the wrong answer. One of the yellow ports
would be better for test.
I'm a big fan of wired connections in general, only using WiFi where
it's required.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 12/27/2025 10:43 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On 27 Dec 2025 16:48:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
BTW, while revisiting this thread, I noticed that Paul mentioned aTried that one and also got:
different IP-checking site, <https://www.whatismyip.com/>, than I used. >>>
www.whatismyip.com
Verify you are human by completing the action below.
www.whatismyip.com needs to review the security of your connection
before proceeding.
from Cloudflare. so will try yours
That site also lists my ISP correctly, but gives my location, instead
the ISP's location. 'My' site (<https://whatismyipaddress.com/>), lists >>>> the ISP's location, not my location.
So I tried yours, which gave me:
My IP Address is:
IPv4: ? 105.186.123.222
IPv6: ? Not detected
and offered to hide my IP address.
Why would I want to do that?
So you might want to use <https://www.whatismyip.com/> to see what
that says for your ISP. Irony alert: That site uses Cloudflare! :-)
As I discovered when it didn't work.
But at least that tells us that the Cloudflare abuse feature is generic
and added to all accounts that have DDOS protection. Part of what Cloudflare >> was supposed to do, was deflect artificial attacks so the traffic
did not arrive at the server in question. The company had an IPO
in 2019, just six years ago.
"Cloudflare, Inc. is an American company headquartered in San Francisco that
provides a range of internet services, including content delivery network services,
cybersecurity, DDoS mitigation, wide area network services, reverse proxies,
Domain Name Service, and ICANN-accredited domain registration."
I suspect they've become a little conflicted about their role, and have
become "the highwayman".
"There is no public write-up from Cloudflare that proves rCLwe handle 20% of all
Internet traffic.rCY Cloudflare reports around 295,000 paying customers and more than
30 million Internet properties (20% of the web)."
"approximately 32.8% of the top 10,000 most popular websites use Cloudflare services."
Now, how did that happen ?
They must be squatting on *more* than 20% now...
Cloudflare went down a couple of months for a few hours. You could see it's reach by the sites affected. My work was one of them...
"Globally, two-thirds of request traffic to Cloudflare came from Chrome in 2025,
similar to its share last year."
Oh my goodness, I'm an "outlier", I'm suspicious by definition. This suggests their
"stand and deliver" page checks the UserAgent.
"Cloudflare found that Android devices account for 65 percent of online traffic,
while iOS traffic makes up the remainder."
The service is hardly agnostic then.
What about non-mobile devices? Where do these quotes comes from?
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/ (default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access
the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
(default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where
I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly
for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a
Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it,
not a URL] to write to?)
In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked.
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking
lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
Maybe we should be visiting websites with our cellphones :-/ You know,
to "cover our tracks as sketchy users". It would be interesting to see
what the web experience is like for smartphone users, and how many times
they get that page.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
As I discovered when it didn't work.
Which browser do you use? I mainly use Chrome, which just lets
Cloudflare do its thing and then connects. But for Edge, Cloudflare
wants me to tick a box that I'm human and then connects.
On Sun, 12/28/2025 1:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 05:51:10 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
The Smart Hub 2 has seven antennas... but you cannot see them.
https://bestbroadbanddeals.co.uk/broadband/providers/bt/routers/
It would apparently be shipped with a 900Mbit/sec service.
"Up to" 900 Mbit/sec, is what I've read.
It has an
older Wifi version. You might want to plug into a LAN Ethernet
port when running the Speedtest to verify the service is correct.
Perhaps Char knows what that connector on the left is.
It would be coming from the ONT (Optical Network Termination or so).
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51jeEVwxqWL._AC_.jpg
It looks like the connector on the lower left might be a DECT-compatible
RJ-11 phone jack, only enabled for customers who sign up for digital
voice service. Of the 4 gigabit LAN ports, one is labeled WAN, as a
suggestion that customers should use that one to connect this unit, the
router, to the modem/ONT. The power jack, power switch, and reset switch
are straightforward, but I'm not sure what that switch on the RH edge
(as viewed from the rear) might be - perhaps WPS to facilitate easy WiFi
connections. Overall, this might have been a fine unit when it was first
introduced in 2018, but it's not so impressive now.
The ventilation holes will let all of that beautiful Wifi signal out.
If you do Speedtest.net or Ookla via the Wifi capability, you
will likely get the wrong answer. One of the yellow ports
would be better for test.
I'm a big fan of wired connections in general, only using WiFi where
it's required.
The white one on the lower left says "Broadband" over top of it.
My assumption was the ONT went in there. The title at the bottom
says FTTP version
"FTTP stands for fibre to the premises. It uses fibre cables all the way
into your home. This means it can deliver ultrafast broadband speeds
up to 900Mb, and makes it the UK's most reliable broadband technology too."
[they had me, right up to that last clause...]
Whereas if you use the router part with a separate broadband modem,
that would go into WAN.
It's aged, but at least you could plug something else into a LAN wired port. >I'm always doubtful of any Wifi delivering the goods, as a lot of
reviews on smallnetbuilder always started out hopeful, but all the
results seemed to say 100MB/sec when all was said and done :-)
Somewhere in the test house, the performance wasn't there. As a
result of reading those reviews, I try not to get people too excited
about the latest whizzy Wifi version. Although the current delivered thing, >the design intent was "more reliable deliver of the same bandwidth we >promised in the last release". And considering that was 4096 QAM or
similar silly promise, that's a good objective to have.
On 28 Dec 2025 16:39:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
As I discovered when it didn't work.
Which browser do you use? I mainly use Chrome, which just lets
Cloudflare do its thing and then connects. But for Edge, Cloudflare
wants me to tick a box that I'm human and then connects.
I was using Maxthon then.
I tried Firefox -- an older version, but the most recent one that
works on Windows XP, but it doesn't even display the page.
On 2025-12-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help -
but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access >>> the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
(default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where >>> I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly >>> for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a
Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it, >>> not a URL] to write to?)
In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court
orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked.
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking
lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a
valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
I've noticed that recently I have seeing CloudFlare "prove you are a human" showing
up on many sites where it has never in the past.
What's going on?
Did they absorb business from Akamai or some other competitor?
Either way, it's a PITA.
On Sun, 12/28/2025 4:54 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:CloudFlare did an IPO and is now a publicly traded company.
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>>> action you just performed triggered" the protection; however, "the
action I just performed" was simply clicking on a link (e. g. in an
email, or a post here) to the URL, or pasting (or even typing) it
manually into my browser's URL box.
It says "You can email the site owner" to tell them and ask for help - >>>> but I can't _find_ the email address of the site owner if I can't access >>>> the site!
It even happens with (for example) https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/
(default UK site for reporting spams/phishing),
or https://www.toptal.com/designers/htmlarrows/punctuation/comma/ (where >>>> I just clicked a link in a post).
I've tried digging into the Cloudflare site, but that seems to be mainly >>>> for its customers. Anyone know what to do next? (Is anyone here maybe a >>>> Cloudflare customer and can find me an email [something with an @ in it, >>>> not a URL] to write to?)
In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court
orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked.
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking
lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a >>> valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
I've noticed that recently I have seeing CloudFlare "prove you are a human" showing
up on many sites where it has never in the past.
What's going on?
Did they absorb business from Akamai or some other competitor?
Either way, it's a PITA.
As a private company, it would be immune to shenanigans.
Not so when it goes public. You can easily lose control
of your strategic direction when you go public.
Paul
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 14:34:43 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 12/28/2025 1:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2025 05:51:10 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
The Smart Hub 2 has seven antennas... but you cannot see them.
https://bestbroadbanddeals.co.uk/broadband/providers/bt/routers/
It would apparently be shipped with a 900Mbit/sec service.
"Up to" 900 Mbit/sec, is what I've read.
It has an
older Wifi version. You might want to plug into a LAN Ethernet
port when running the Speedtest to verify the service is correct.
Perhaps Char knows what that connector on the left is.
It would be coming from the ONT (Optical Network Termination or so).
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51jeEVwxqWL._AC_.jpg
It looks like the connector on the lower left might be a DECT-compatible >>> RJ-11 phone jack, only enabled for customers who sign up for digital
voice service. Of the 4 gigabit LAN ports, one is labeled WAN, as a
suggestion that customers should use that one to connect this unit, the
router, to the modem/ONT. The power jack, power switch, and reset switch >>> are straightforward, but I'm not sure what that switch on the RH edge
(as viewed from the rear) might be - perhaps WPS to facilitate easy WiFi >>> connections. Overall, this might have been a fine unit when it was first >>> introduced in 2018, but it's not so impressive now.
The ventilation holes will let all of that beautiful Wifi signal out.
If you do Speedtest.net or Ookla via the Wifi capability, you
will likely get the wrong answer. One of the yellow ports
would be better for test.
I'm a big fan of wired connections in general, only using WiFi where
it's required.
The white one on the lower left says "Broadband" over top of it.
Thanks. I wasn't able to make out what it said there. If I'm reading
right, there should be an RJ-11 port somewhere, so I assumed it was down there, away from the ethernet ports. For me, the photo is just blurry
enough that I can't tell the difference between RJ-11 and RJ-45. If
that's intended to be a connection to an ONT, then it's definitely
RJ-45.
My assumption was the ONT went in there. The title at the bottom
says FTTP version
"FTTP stands for fibre to the premises. It uses fibre cables all the way >> into your home. This means it can deliver ultrafast broadband speeds
up to 900Mb, and makes it the UK's most reliable broadband technology too."
[they had me, right up to that last clause...]
Most of the Internet is interconnected with fiber/fibre. It's much
faster and more reliable than copper, right? Which part did you object
to?
Whereas if you use the router part with a separate broadband modem,
that would go into WAN.
With FTTP, there's no modem on premises, AFAIK, so you're talking about another type of data transmission in that case, xDSL perhaps?
It's aged, but at least you could plug something else into a LAN wired port. >> I'm always doubtful of any Wifi delivering the goods, as a lot of
reviews on smallnetbuilder always started out hopeful, but all the
results seemed to say 100MB/sec when all was said and done :-)
Somewhere in the test house, the performance wasn't there. As a
result of reading those reviews, I try not to get people too excited
about the latest whizzy Wifi version. Although the current delivered thing, >> the design intent was "more reliable deliver of the same bandwidth we
promised in the last release". And considering that was 4096 QAM or
similar silly promise, that's a good objective to have.
I have fast and reliable WiFi here, but it's not by accident. I
installed a 3-node mesh system about 4-5 years ago, so not only is the
house fully saturated, but also the entire back yard, the front yard/driveway, extending about a block in either direction.
For most other people, it's a crap shoot. The ISP guy puts the
router+WiFi where he wants, and calls it a day. On the other side of the house, or out in the yard, the signal can be spotty or worse. For those people, WIFi is usually hit or miss, and complaints soon follow. I don't
have any of those problems now, but pre-mesh I certainly did.
On 2025-12-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been
blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
Don't _think_ this (my problem above) has anything to do with football.In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court
orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked.
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking
lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a
valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
I've noticed that recently I have seeing CloudFlare "prove you are a human" showing
up on many sites where it has never in the past.
What's going on?
Did they absorb business from Akamai or some other competitor?
Either way, it's a PITA.
On 2025/12/28 21:54:24, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The
[]
Don't _think_ this (my problem above) has anything to do with football.In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court
orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked.
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking
lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a >>> valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
I don't mind the "tick to show you are a human", or even the "pick
I've noticed that recently I have seeing CloudFlare "prove you are a human" showing
up on many sites where it has never in the past.
What's going on?
Did they absorb business from Akamai or some other competitor?
Either way, it's a PITA.
pictures showing ..." as long as it doesn't reload too many times. But
the "you have been blocked" message comes up as soon as I try to go to
the sites in question - before I've even been given any "prove.." tests.
On 2025-12-29, J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/28 21:54:24, pothead wrote:
On 2025-12-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:[]
On 2025-12-24 06:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
When going to certain websites, I always get the "Sorry, you have been >>>>> blocked" message from Cloudflare. At the bottom of the page it says "The >>
Don't _think_ this (my problem above) has anything to do with football.In Spain the Football League is actively blocking many IPs (with court >>>> orders), which happens to be Cloudflare sites, which are thus blocked. >>>>
The reason for the blocking is that they try to block sites that
broadcast football matches without paying them. But they are blocking >>>> lots of innocent sites.
Complaints by Cloudflare or those sites are ignored, because there is a >>>> valid court order.
This is a dirty war.
Are you caught by this?
I don't mind the "tick to show you are a human", or even the "pick
I've noticed that recently I have seeing CloudFlare "prove you are a human" showing
up on many sites where it has never in the past.
What's going on?
Did they absorb business from Akamai or some other competitor?
Either way, it's a PITA.
pictures showing ..." as long as it doesn't reload too many times. But
the "you have been blocked" message comes up as soon as I try to go to
the sites in question - before I've even been given any "prove.." tests.
Agreed.
I haven't been blocked so far but that would really annoy me.
CloudFlare's reputation is somewhat jaded. They were responsible for the massive outage a of month ago which affected many different platforms
and sites.
On 2025/12/25 2:29:9, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me
to those sites after a few seconds.
You're missing the point - sometimes there _isn't_ such a checkbox that
has to be clicked.
On 12/25/2025 5:12 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/12/25 2:29:9, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/12/24 17:4:43, VanguardLH wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... on some others I get the "please wait while we check you're a
human", or similar wording, from cloudflare, which then connects me >>>>>> to those sites after a few seconds.
You're missing the point - sometimes there _isn't_ such a checkbox that
has to be clicked.
And on some websites, Cloudflare has me wait and then I get the same message again. I can wait from
now until doomsday and never get to the site. I use Windows 10 and generally Firefox. Sometimes, if
it's a site I really need to get to, I'll switch browsers. Sometimes Edge or Opera works, sometimes
not. Sometimes I can get through on my iPad using Safari. A real pain!
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